Rant seethe - remember before Christmas Ailsa the daft dobermutt was attacked by two mid sized brown terrier-mix dogs and ended up having surgery?

The guy with the dogs made no attempt to control them and showed now interest in the welfare of our dog (who was on her short lead at the time of the attack), so we had to foot the bill.

Well, last Saturday, the other half ran into them AGAIN for the first time since October and surprise, surprise, they had another go at her, completely unprovoked- other half says the owner was at the other side of the field, watching but not in the slightest bit bothered and did not make any attempt to call his dogs back- nasty piece of work by all accounts, not thje sort of person you want to have a meaningful conversation.

Eventually, other half managed to get them off our dobe (who was again on her short leash so had nowhere to go to escape them - and how other half didn't end up getting bitten, I dont know).

We thought she'd been lucky this time but on Sunday I felt a scab on her side and yep, one of the monsters had bitten her again. She's been worrying at the wound ever since. It's not as deep as last time so shouldn't need stitches but if she won't leave it alone we'll be getting her a collar and forking out at the vets AGAIN. Last time it cost £200 that we had to fork out.

So a warning to anyone who walks in Endcliffe, watch out for the scruffy looking bloke who doesnt care that his 2 mid sized brown terrier/ ridgeback/boxer type dogs are attacking your dog- god help you if yours is any smaller than a doberman because one day they're going to kill one. they are intent on attack and are tenacious and take some getting off once they start.

You must be absolutely fuming! Molly isn't the gentlest of dogs and has hurt another dog accidentally, but we're careful to try to make sure that she behaves around other dogs and this is a world away from just letting a pack attack other dogs.

One dog attacking others is bad enough, but two egg each other on.

I know- and the worst thing- both times it was quite early so no one around to either witness it or assist and it's obvious the guy isnt bothered or maybe he enjoys watching his dogs tear into another.

oooh I'd be seething too Katkin, shame you didn't have a big stick to whack him with!! TBH, I'm not surprised your OH didn't boot the dogs off - I know it's not their fault, it's the owner's but at the end of the day, once you can accept it's a mistake, twice - and it's getting silly!

I hope Ailsa gets over it and isn't too upset by it :( It's all she needs really - and you just know that if she fought back, you'd be the one in trouble!

OMG! I wouldn't beable to let that go :rant: I'd sit in the park all day if I had to then follow him back and report him and his dogs under the dangerous dogs act. Next time it could be a little kid - don't let this go Kat, Find out who he is and get him charged! Dogs like that shouldn't be allowed off the lead and more to the point owners like that shouldn't be allowed dogs. :mad:

OMG! I wouldn't beable to let that go :rant: I'd sit in the park all day if I had to then follow him back and report him and his dogs under the dangerous dogs act. Next time it could be a little kid - don't let this go Kat, Find out who he is and get him charged! Dogs like that shouldn't be allowed off the lead and more to the point owners like that shouldn't be allowed dogs. :mad:

What he said^^^^

Katkin, I really feel for you :(

It galls me that any effort to report this incident will probably be met with a shrug from the police - as dog on dog attacks are not collatable statistics for them. These dogs are however 'dangerously out of control in a public place'. Your description of them also raises my suspicions, as they sound very like a one of the breeds mentioned in the dangerous dogs leaflet produced by the government - probably an irish staffy, so called to avoid the pit bull label, and bred for their 'gameness' (read 'aggression')

please do report these incidents (calmly, and by sticking to the above facts) and fingers crossed this situation will be rectified

Besides contacting the police, you should notify the dog warden


For the sake of one idiot, Endcliffe Park may become an enforced lead only park, but given how busy it is, I can't see any alternative but to tackle this :(

Can't really add to what others have said but please try and report these dogs, if you can follow him all the better.
Poor Ailsa I hope that she is ok :sad:

Poor Ailsa, some dogs just cop it all the time. One of my customers dogs is constantly being attacked by offleaders and never retaliates he has just undergone another lot of surgery with a ten inch scar down his side. The owner has contacted the police and nothing can be done, even though a bull breed cross from down the road has attacked poor Toby twice. He has asked for vet bills from the owner, only to be met by a torrent of abuse.

It amazes me how the dog victims dont scar mentally from this.

(((hugs))) for Ailsa.

I can honestly say that if any dog which is off the lead and attacks my dog (and the owner makes no attempt to remedy the situation) I will lift up my size 12 steel toe capped boot and break the front leg of the attacking animal - and I relish the thought of the owner even thinking of having a go at me.

What about the dog control order does this type of thing no come under it? A dog off lead and not in control.

Do your homework Katkin and look it up then if you report it you wil ast least know your rights and what the police should be doing.

so sorry she has been attacked again, hope you and her are ok x

Thanks for all the support folks - if I'd been the one with Ailsa I'd be able to speak with more authority about the dogs, the incidents and the git who's not in control of them -I need to get more info from the other half and pressure him to do something about it as i've already considered that his dogs are dangerously out of control and from how they were described they sounded suspiciously tailored to attack other dogs. The fact that both times the other half has encountered them it has been very early with no or few other dog walkers about makes me think he knows they are aggresive and either doesnt want to encounter too many other dogs or wants them to 'have a go' at something worthwhile, such as my baby. xK

What about the dog control order does this type of thing no come under it? A dog off lead and not in control.

Do your homework Katkin and look it up then if you report it you wil ast least know your rights and what the police should be doing.

so sorry she has been attacked again, hope you and her are ok x

Any dog of any breed can be done under the dangerous dogs act if it is out of control in a public place and there are grounds to think it may injure someone whether or not it actually does. I know there's a fair bit of reading but if you check out the dangerous dogs act you will find that you are in your right to prosecute. I know that if the dog is being used as a guard dog to guard private premises, it's classed as being used for a lawful purpose and you may not be able to take action but these dogs were clearly out of control in a public place. Read the act, know your rights and please get him charged before they end up killing a dog or badly injure someone. A little old lady or a child out walking their dog is going to stand no chance are they? The police or your local authority can seize the dogs and the W^nK$r will face a fine or upto 6 months in prison and longer if someone is injured which is what he bloody needs in my opinion! :mad:

I hope Ailsa makes a full recovery, poor thing.

aah bless her... That bloke with the two dogs doesn't deserve to have them, he's obviously an irresponsible owner.
I once took my neighbour yorkie upto greno / wharncliffe woods and she was on her lead and we were merryily going about our walk when a couple came towards us with 3 or 4 dogs and while they didn't attack her, they got very fussy and giddy and jumpy on her, she got very scared, tail down between her legs etc, i was trying to get to her to pick her up but she was on a long lead and running round (could have been quite funny i suppose!) and the owners of the other dogs did nowt but shout their dogs once and carried on walking! Dogs took no notice and carried on! I managed to pick Lilly up and turned to the owners and shouted "if you can't control your dogs, you shouldn't have them off their leads"! Get me! They didn't even look at me and just walked off. t***ts, people like that give pet owners a bad name.

rant over!

Big hugs to your doggie katkin

Thanks wondertec. Have nagged other half about reporting them but he's umming andf ahhing - it all happened too long ago (last week and october), they wont do anything about it anyway etc etc. I could slap him. If it had been me with her there'd have been no question- I'd not get into a slanging match with the guy but I wouldve reported him and given a good description of his dogs. As it is, I only the info 2nd hand, dont have all the info and other half doesnt want to make a big deal of it, which is a shame.

I would like to see the blokes face if his dogs came having a go at my two Rottys and they ripped his dogs up...he should keep them on a leed if he cant control them

I would like to see the blokes face if his dogs came having a go at my two Rottys and they ripped his dogs up...he should keep them on a leed if he cant control them

Theyre obviously very canny and only have a go at something they think they'll get away with- Dobes are really just big softies.

You know I think I have seen this man also. Now mines only a little shih tzu and was on her lead and the guy was walking way ahead of the dogs and they were all over me and sniffing her and jumping around at her. I managed to pick her up but she was scared stiff.

the man didnt seem to have any idea of what was happening so I shouted at him to control his dogs but he just carried on walking.

This was early morning (about 7.30am) and i was scared stiff.

Makes me more wary of going out in the morning with her as i'm panicking he will be there!

You know I think I have seen this man also. Now mines only a little shih tzu and was on her lead and the guy was walking way ahead of the dogs and they were all over me and sniffing her and jumping around at her. I managed to pick her up but she was scared stiff.

the man didnt seem to have any idea of what was happening so I shouted at him to control his dogs but he just carried on walking.

This was early morning (about 7.30am) and i was scared stiff.

Makes me more wary of going out in the morning with her as i'm panicking he will be there!

Could well be him- other half says he shows no sign of having leads for either of his dogs and really doesnt seem to be at all bothered when they're having a go at another dog. Hesays one of the dogs is a bit smaller than the other and more terrier like and its that one that started on Ailsa first on both occasions, then the other one joined in.

Could you take a camera: You would then have evidence to report him to the police.

I've never seen him or his dogs as both times it was the other half not me who was walking with our dog. If it had been me who was with her ,I would've taken a photo - I always have my phone with me (but to be honest, from what other half says, I wouldnt want to be advertising the fact or making a point of whipping a camera out whilst trying to drag his dogs off my dobe as it could give out the wrong message). Other half says hes only seen the guy and his dogs twice in 6 months: both times. the dogs attacked and both times it was early morning when other half was on his own and there was no one else around.

I've tried to persuade him to do something about it ,but he's reluctant to make a fuss after the event, unfortunately, so all I can do is forwarn other people that someone occasionally goes in Endcliffe Park with 2 aggressive mid sized brown dogs that are looking for a fight with another unsuspecting dog.