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estweyn
15-03-2008, 12:07 PM
Oh my God, I have unwittingly just changed my dog onto Eukenuba as I read up on the nutrients etc. Checking on postings on this site I find that they do animal experiments and do not keep their animals in any way near good conditions. I now have a dog who has just got used to Eukenuba ( he has a bit of a dodgy tummy ) and a sack of eukenuba in the car!
Can I take it back do you reckon, and any advice for a good food that is suitable for a gsd with a bit of a dodgy tum. (kindly produced of course)
Many thanks
Avril

*Wallace*
15-03-2008, 01:03 PM
Cook him some chicken or fish and pasta.I'm on another forum and they had a huge thread about Eukanuba it was pretty distressing.

heavenlyarts
15-03-2008, 01:12 PM
Look at Burns, http://www.burns-pet-nutrition.co.uk/


you can get a small amount from http://www.gleadlesspets.co.uk/

katkin
15-03-2008, 01:27 PM
you cant go wrong with Burns but look, if you've already bought the Eukaneuba (and it is a high quality food,after all), why not at least use that sack up and then gradually introduce an alternative food, rather than wasting it entirely. Yes, Iams and Euka have been linked with animal testing and you're right to to have a strong view about that, but wasting expensive food that appears to be suiting your dog seems a bit extreme. It would be much better to gradually introduce a new food and let your dog's sensitive tummy get used to it rather than get something new and start him on it straight away.

nb if youve not yet opened the sack you could try to take it back and ask for a refund- say you got the wrong food - not all stores sell Burns though so if they dont the next best option might be James Wellbeloved but personally I go with Burns - daft dobermutt has a dodgy tummy too

lyndix
15-03-2008, 01:32 PM
Amber has pretty bad guts(must be a gsd thing, my last pedigree gsd was bad for it as well:))
After trying several foods(dried or otherwise) the thing that suits her is from costco, their chicken and rice complete dogfood.
If we feed her on anything else she gets the runs, gets generally run down and loses weight quite quickly.

medusa
15-03-2008, 02:31 PM
Amber has pretty bad guts(must be a gsd thing, my last pedigree gsd was bad for it as well:))
After trying several foods(dried or otherwise) the thing that suits her is from costco, their chicken and rice complete dogfood.
If we feed her on anything else she gets the runs, gets generally run down and loses weight quite quickly.

It's a GSD thing apparently- I've got one who has the runs occasionally even when we don't change her food and who is generally ambivalent about eating. She's currently stable on Wellbeloved turkey and rice dry food but she didn't take to Burns at all (or any other brand we tried her on).

heavenlyarts
15-03-2008, 02:34 PM
she didn't take to Burns at all .

Burns appears to be an aquired taste. I know that in the cattery cats turned their noses up at Burns Cat food. Possibly cos it's NOT got loads of artificial flavour enhancers.

estweyn
15-03-2008, 03:17 PM
Thank you all, I have done a little more research and Iams who produce Eukenuba are better than they were (couldnt get much worse) and apparently mostly home dogs in foster homes and use trial foods on them. They still have research facilities however. I do feel a little better about it now, I would never knowingly support any company who uses animals inhumanely. Makes me feel sick to think of it.

So good advice given here, I am going to continue the food for the time being and look at introducing one of the other recommended foods. Burns seems to be the favourite, just need to find a local supplier.

My old GSD had pancreatis and lived with the complaint on 10 tablets a day for 6 years. His was I suppose a mild version, but he had a raging appetite when it started and lots of pale, smelly, extremenly loose motions. A classic sign apparently, so if your dogs have this sort of motion its worth getting it checked early as enzymes can be added to food to help them digest properly.
Shadow mostly had good formed motions (what a subject) but occasionally had really loose motions at which stage we upped his enzymes until it settled down. Many vets apparently confuse this condition with gastritis, but only blood tests confirm the pancreas complaint.

I am praying my young lad aint going the same way, I dont think so really, most of the times he is ok but it doesnt take much to upset his tum.

I did try giving him rice and chicken fresh cooked, oh my god, talk about run. He seems pretty ok most days of Eukenuba so as I said will stick with it and introduce a more dog friendly make gradually.

Thanks all for loving and caring for animals:D

Lotti
15-03-2008, 03:40 PM
I think there has been a lot of scaremongering about Iams and bad press which we all know can be a load of old tosh.

I don't know the facts so won't get into a debate here but if we're going by what PETA say - they're not exactly the most reliable source either!!

I did look into it briefly and was told that Purina/Iams did taste tests (like Burns, JWB etc), skin scrapes, faeces tests etc etc.
I don't know which dogs they test it on but apparently at least some of the dogs are employees pets - so it's not like they're caged up 24/7.

And if you think about it, the more research they do (without causing unnecessary suffering), the better it must be for your dog!

I really wouldn't worry too much, if your dog's happy on it and his tummy has settled with it then I don't really see the problem with it tbh, you could always ask your vet about the choices of food for dogs with sensitive stomachs but all the veterinary food products (Royal Canin and Hills do special foods for sensitive tummies) have been tested on animals to ensure they're of the best quality so it's just a vicious circle really!

Helly
15-03-2008, 07:36 PM
Royal Canin do a variety of food specially for GSDs as part of their breed nutrition range. Its even got tuff in to help their joints and is meant to help digestion.

I don't know about other retailers but at the moment I sell it for £36 a sack and you get a free storage drum with it.

fyy123
16-03-2008, 02:09 AM
All of my cats and kittens are fed on Royal Canin and I can highly recommend it. The cats seem to love it and the people at Royal Canin are really helpful too. We had a rep come out to see our cats and dicuss with us which would be best that meets our cats needs. Also if you are a registered breeder with the GCCF everytime you have a litter they will give you a huge drum full of kitten food, toys, etc FREE for EACH of the kittens which you pass onto the new owners. :thumbsup:

Helly
16-03-2008, 02:41 AM
Ooh, if you see the rep (is it Ken you saw?) in the near future, ask about the storage boxes they're currently doing with 3.5kg bags from the Feline range. It's always nice to get something extra for nothing!

kazads53
16-03-2008, 01:01 PM
Oh my God, I have unwittingly just changed my dog onto Eukenuba as I read up on the nutrients etc. Checking on postings on this site I find that they do animal experiments and do not keep their animals in any way near good conditions. I now have a dog who has just got used to Eukenuba ( he has a bit of a dodgy tummy ) and a sack of eukenuba in the car!
Can I take it back do you reckon, and any advice for a good food that is suitable for a gsd with a bit of a dodgy tum. (kindly produced of course)
Many thanks
AvrilChappie is the dog food at lot of vets reccommend for dog with dodgy tums both my brothers gsd and my boxers have been fine on :)it

*Wallace*
16-03-2008, 01:04 PM
I think but could be wrong that Chappie has a high fish content so is light and easy to digest.

lyndix
16-03-2008, 05:16 PM
I think but could be wrong that Chappie has a high fish content so is light and easy to digest.

I fed my last gsd on chappie complete (the dried stuff) he loved it and it suited him.

frickley
23-04-2008, 03:48 PM
Hi. One of my Springers has developed colitis & all chicken based products are the worst for him. The condition requires more roughage so I have been trying him on Wainwrights salmon & potato which is doing the trick as it has 4.8% fibre. However I am not convinced about the nutrient content so am moving over to Burns white fish & rice with less fibre. Delivery is free so no need to find a local supplier although there are loads according to their website. The free samples that came through the door werte gobbled down whilst in the envelope!!, especially the lamb & brown rice. I have been told not to feed cooked chicken to dogs as this is what gives them the runs. In the past I have always fed mine Arden Grange as they source all their protein and do not use battry chickens but unfortunately they only do chicken based senior food. Whenever changing food, do so over a couple of weeks.:|:)

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