Found this on a Diversion website. This is one of the DVLA's new ideas to raise revenue,i.e. more tax,
One of their latest proposals is to charge vehicle owners a annual tax regardless of SORN or any other exemptions- a Vehicle Possession Tax.
The chairman of the Parlimentary Historic club Greg Knight has put an early day motion (EDM) dealing with the possession-tax element of the proposal, if you want to stop this tax write to your local MP drawing his attention to the EDM number 686 tabled on the 8th Feb 2005 telling him/her that these proposals are grossly unfair.
Cyril

Bloody goverment has gone crazy.:rant:

I can see some car museums closing :mad: :rant:

How about if it's 'disabled'? (like a gun)

Its a bit like a tv licence even if you don't use it you still need a licence.:rant:

Originally posted by Bikertec
Its a bit like a tv licence even if you don't use it you still need a licence.:rant:

I thought you didn't need a licence for a TV if you weren't using it?

K x

Nope you can't posses a tv with out a licence. So I'm led to believe.:rant:

This from tvlicencing.co.uk


Do I need a licence?

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If you use a TV or any other device to receive or record TV programmes (for example, a VCR, set-top box, DVD recorder or PC with a broadcast card) - you need a TV Licence. You are required by law to have one.

I reckon if you don't use it you don't have to pay! Can't see this would apply to many people though.

K x

its if u have the equipment capable of recieving tv.i believe

Vehicle possession tax? Strikes me this is just to cut down on the admin of the (frequently abused) SORN thing.
This country has far too many taxes imo, many of them should be abolished and just added to VAT or income tax - the savings in admin alone would be massive.

The law very clearly makes the offence "using" the TV/VCR/PC to recieve transmissions...and not ownership.

The problem comes in proving to an inspector that a set is not being used so. Here, recommendations are "detuning", removing plugs. clearly removing arial leads from the vicinity (not just disconnecting).

A letter from TV Licensing illustrating this can be seen here. (http://www.jifvik.org/tv/tvl2.jpg) Lots of other stuff on this site giving similar information and the problems that people can have.

Originally posted by hotphil
Vehicle possession tax? Strikes me this is just to cut down on the admin of the (frequently abused) SORN thing.
This country has far too many taxes imo, many of them should be abolished and just added to VAT or income tax - the savings in admin alone would be massive.

How can you abuse SORN?

This possession tax idea has been around for a long time, a petition has been given to goverment over it.

If it happens I will end up a very poor person quickly.

You abuse SORN by declaring the vehicle as being off the road and then continuing to drive it.
Hence the new unattended Police camera vans you may have seen parked by the side of the road used to record car's number plates as they go past, check if they're meant to be off the road and then issue a fine.
I think a tax on owning a car makes more sense than the current system. But why then bother? Wouldn't it be cheaper administratively to abolish the tax and increase petrol tax by the same amount? Surely that would be fairer too as those with less efficient cars pay more, but in proportion, rather than the 1.2 (?) litre current divide? May also get the backing of the environmentalists too.

Originally posted by 21steve
its if u have the equipment capable of recieving tv.i believe

Yes, you need a licence if you have a video recorder or TV card in your PC, even if you don't have a TV.

Transfer Road Tax to fuel. The more you use the roads, the more you pay.

With regard to the current proliferation of untaxed vehicles, why can't we license private contractors to impound all untaxed cars as I think they do in the United States.

Originally posted by Strix
I can see some car museums closing :mad: :rant:

How about if it's 'disabled'? (like a gun)

Yeah, they would need to introduce Car Amnesty days.

Originally posted by cgksheff
Transfer Road Tax to fuel. The more you use the roads, the more you pay.

Everyone will end up paying more that way, regardless if you own a car or not

Only if it's poorly implemented (and it probably would be). But it may take a little before it offsets the savings in admin costs of the current tax disc set-up.
And as a side benefit, I would have to make one less journey to a Post Office each 6 months/year. And that's got to be a good thing.

And also, the current system is (I think but could be wrong) called the Road Fund Licence. Quite what proportion actually goes on funding roads is another debate. But if this taxation were moved onto fuel then those that have efficient cars that use the road more, pay more. That seems fair. And those that have gas-guzzlers pay more, keeping the greens happy.

Originally posted by hotphil
Only if it's poorly implemented (and it probably would be). But it may take a little before it offsets the savings in admin costs of the current tax disc set-up.


But by putting it on petrol, everyone has to pay regardless if you travel or not. Your bus journeys suddenly become more expensive, as does your two pints of milk and a loaf of bread. Your clothing will also probably double in price to assume the extra cost of petrol.

Just remember the word 'logistics' , most things travel by road, so for those who don't drive far each year who think putting it on petrol is good idea as they would get a good deal are very naive in thinking so, as not only will petrol will be more expensive for them, but the costs they wouldn't normally pay (i.e more petrol) will now be associated with other products they buy.

dont register the car,tell them you posted the registration and its down to them...just an anarchistic thought slipping by :clap:

Now I remember why I left all those years ago... It was the taxes! License to own a tv, ridiculous. Don't let George Bush know, he'll try it on us.

Originally posted by Skatiechik
But by putting it on petrol, everyone has to pay regardless if you travel or not. Your bus journeys suddenly become more expensive, as does your two pints of milk and a loaf of bread. Your clothing will also probably double in price to assume the extra cost of petrol.

Just remember the word 'logistics' , most things travel by road, so for those who don't drive far each year who think putting it on petrol is good idea as they would get a good deal are very naive in thinking so, as not only will petrol will be more expensive for them, but the costs they wouldn't normally pay (i.e more petrol) will now be associated with other products they buy.
I don't follow your logic here, HGVs and PSVs already have to pay road tax, at quite a high level, merely transferring this cost onto a fuel bill wouldn't necessarily cost the consumer more.

What's more all those tourists and foreign trucks would be "contributing" every time they fill up, they don't currently put anything into the RFL system. That's a net gain to our economy.

Its a good idea putting tax on fuel so even the foreigners would pay as well, But with the tax we already pay on fuel already it would probably be cheaper using whiskey in our tanks. I think I read somewhere where they can make fuel from plants know, but the government is blocking it.:(

Originally posted by buck
Now I remember why I left all those years ago... It was the taxes! License to own a tv, ridiculous. Don't let George Bush know, he'll try it on us.

Come on buck, you shoild know he's probably a regular on here! :hihi: He probably wouldn't understand what a TV Licence was though unless we spelled it with an 's'!

K x