im not being rude ere but where is Hereford ? is it in yorkshire?

However, as I hate to keep reminding you, Hereford United knocked Leeds out of the FA Cup last season, so by your logic, Hereford United are the best team in the world.

Don't be so delusional Basil.

im not being rude ere but where is Hereford ? is it in yorkshire?

No, it's in Wales. But the club that plays there (who were non-league only 3 years ago) will next season be competing in the same division as the once-mighty Leeds United.

Why is that arrogant. We could beat any team in the world on current form. Barca, Man Utd, AC Milan. We are on a par now, if not better. None of those teams could have turned the 15 point defecit round like us.
This guy has got to be a troll pretending to be a Leeds fan.

This guy has got to be a troll pretending to be a Leeds fan.

I suspect it's more likely to be the other way round :)

This guy has got to be a troll pretending to be a Leeds fan.

I have posted as a Leed Utd fan here for ages. I am a real fan, and go to Elland Rd about 10 times a year. I also make sure to catch as many away games as possible.

Do you honestly think that Barca could have turned round the 15 point defecit in League One? If you do then you are truely unintelligent.

I have posted as a Leed Utd fan here for ages. I am a real fan, and go to Elland Rd about 10 times a year. I also make sure to catch as many away games as possible.

Do you honestly think that Barca could have turned round the 15 point defecit in League One? If you do then you are truely unintelligent.

Maybe they couldn't have.

But neither did you. :hihi:

I have posted as a Leed Utd fan here for ages. I am a real fan, and go to Elland Rd about 10 times a year. I also make sure to catch as many away games as possible.

Do you honestly think that Barca could have turned round the 15 point defecit in League One? If you do then you are truely unintelligent.

He's got a point; I doubt whether Barcelona could have got anything from Cheltenham Town and I think Real Madrid would have had a fight to overcome Port Vale at the Nou Camp. And does anyone seriously think Juventus would nick three points at Crewe Alexandra?

Maybe they couldn't have.

But neither did you. :hihi:

Yes we did. Stick to netball or whatever it is you do.

Why is that arrogant. We could beat any team in the world on current form. Barca, Man Utd, AC Milan. We are on a par now, if not better. None of those teams could have turned the 15 point defecit round like us.

Indeed.

The same current form that lost to Donny.

Inspirational. :hihi:

He's got a point; I doubt whether Barcelona could have got anything from Cheltenham Town and I think Real Madrid would have had a fight to overcome Port Vale at the Nou Camp. And does anyone seriously think Juventus would nick three points at Crewe Alexandra?

At last, an intelligent post by Rathbone, been waiting months for one of those from the resident SF "gagmaster".

Maybe they couldn't have.

But neither did you. :hihi:

Strictly speaking doesn't "turning around" a 15 point deficit merely involve getting to +15? In which case we did.

Strictly speaking doesn't "turning around" a 15 point deficit merely involve getting to +15? In which case we did.

My 'translation' of his post was overturning the -15 point start, and THEN achieving targets - promotion in this case.

If overturning a -15 start was simply to achieve reaching +15, then I think it's fair to say that I'm sure the teams he quotes - Man U, Barca etc. would have achieved that.

Either way, he looks a bit of a numpty.

Why is that arrogant. We could beat any team in the world on current form. Barca, Man Utd, AC Milan. We are on a par now, if not better. None of those teams could have turned the 15 point defecit round like us.

By the way. Juventus were relegated to the second tier of Italian football (still higher than League 1 relatively speaking) for the 2006/7 season, with a 9 point deduction.

They won the league as champions. 6 points clear of the second place with a vastly superior goal difference.

So even if they'd had 15 points deducted like Leeds, they would have still been champions of their second tier.

So next time you come out with your irrelevant crap that no one could have achieved what Leeds did, try looking up the facts first.

I don't think he can handle things like 'facts' anymore, losing to Doncaster and facing yet another season of comedic failure in the 3rd tier has clearly been too much for what was already a seriously addled mind and he's completely lost it.

By the way. Juventus were relegated to the second tier of Italian football (still higher than League 1 relatively speaking) for the 2006/7 season, with a 9 point deduction.

They won the league as champions. 6 points clear of the second place with a vastly superior goal difference.

So even if they'd had 15 points deducted like Leeds, they would have still been champions of their second tier.

So next time you come out with your irrelevant crap that no one could have achieved what Leeds did, try looking up the facts first.


Serie B is not as hard a league as League One. My point stands.

Serie B is not as hard a league as League One. My point stands.
Yeah I'm sure Trezeguet, Del Piero, Nedved... would really have struggled against the likes of Carlisle United :roll:

Anyway on the subject of overcoming deficits when Roy Keane took over Sunderland they had an effective 15 point penalty after Quinn led them to 5 straigh defeats and Keane led Sunderland to win the Championship, are you going to tell us that league 1 is harder than the Championship now?

Serie B is not as hard a league as League One. My point stands.

Well that truly sums up how much of a clown you are.

Yeah I'm sure Trezeguet, Del Piero, Nedved... would really have struggled against the likes of Carlisle United :roll:



Beckford, Marques, Howson. As good if not better than the above quoted players.

Serie B is not as hard a league as League One. My point stands.
:suspect::suspect::huh::huh::loopy::loopy::D:D

My 'translation' of his post was overturning the -15 point start, and THEN achieving targets - promotion in this case.

If overturning a -15 start was simply to achieve reaching +15, then I think it's fair to say that I'm sure the teams he quotes - Man U, Barca etc. would have achieved that.

Either way, he looks a bit of a numpty.

Oh I know that, I was merely pointing out that in the literal sense we did. That guy is either deluded beyond all reasonable belief, or, more than likely trolling (and doing a very good job given how many of you are rising to the bait!). I think most Leeds fans will try and defend us in the face of endless criticism and hatred, but ultimately we were in four tournaments this season, and were put out of them by Portsmouth, Bury, Hereford and Doncaster. It's been a humbling if not humiliating experience :)

Gretna have been demoted 2 divisions for their situation, why couldn't they do that with Leeds? :(

Does Leeds have a Football Club? I thought they only played Rugby League in West Yorkshire?

Gretna have been demoted 2 divisions for their situation, why couldn't they do that with Leeds? :(

Because Leeds still had some players and actually employed enough staff to be able to attend fixtures!

Gosh, are you lot still gossiping about this ... haven't you got anything useful to do ... like put up a few shelves or mow the lawn. :rolleyes:

Because Leeds still had some players and actually employed enough staff to be able to attend fixtures!
Gretna were able to fulfil all of their fixtures.

Gosh, are you lot still gossiping about this ... haven't you got anything useful to do ... like put up a few shelves or mow the lawn. :rolleyes:

I know but the thing is with L**ds fans is they dont know when to back down and accept the fact everyone hates them with valid reasons.

Beckford, Marques, Howson. As good if not better than the above quoted players.

Now that really is too ridiculous for words.

Because Leeds still had some players and actually employed enough staff to be able to attend fixtures!

Indeed. Gretna said thay couldn't guarantee that they'd fulfill the fixtures. What is strange is that they seem to be able to fulfil the fixtures in Scottish Division Three, but have no staff .....

That guy is either deluded beyond all reasonable belief, or, more than likely trolling

I find that hoisting them by their own petard is more useful ......

Much as I hate to keep bringing this thread back, as a Hereford United fan, I can't let my team's latest win over the once mighty Leeds United last night pass without comment.

Less than 8 years ago, while Leeds were cheating battling their way through to the semi-finals of the Champions League, Hereford were a non-league club in dire financial straits and being beaten by the likes of Barrow, Leek Town and Leigh RMI. Not only are we now playing Leeds at the same level but we've played them 4 times in the last year and a bit, beaten them twice and kept three clean sheets!

As the match report from the Yorkshire Post shows (http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/leedsunited/Leeds-United-Fans39-patience-finally.4990320.jp), last night's result was the last straw for the few remaining Leeds fans, who were reduced to chanting "We're **** and we're sick of it" at the end of the game. If you'd like even more of a giggle, why not visit the Leeds United forum? As the language is rather fruity I won't link to it directly but if you type "WACCOE" into your favourite search engine, you'll get there.

How much lower can they sink? :hihi:

Much as I hate to keep bringing this thread back, as a Hereford United fan, I can't let my team's latest win over the once mighty Leeds United last night pass without comment.

Less than 8 years ago, while Leeds were cheating battling their way through to the semi-finals of the Champions League, Hereford were a non-league club in dire financial straits and being beaten by the likes of Barrow, Leek Town and Leigh RMI. Not only are we now playing Leeds at the same level but we've played them 4 times in the last year and a bit, beaten them twice and kept three clean sheets!

As the match report from the Yorkshire Post shows (http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/leedsunited/Leeds-United-Fans39-patience-finally.4990320.jp), last night's result was the last straw for the few remaining Leeds fans, who were reduced to chanting "We're **** and we're sick of it" at the end of the game. If you'd like even more of a giggle, why not visit the Leeds United forum? As the language is rather fruity I won't link to it directly but if you type "WACCOE" into your favourite search engine, you'll get there.

How much lower can they sink? :hihi:

As a Peterborough United fan we are loving the demise of Leeds United, we were robbed a few weeks ago at there place :rant:
The only thing that makes them look good is Beckford

Im so happy Hereford beat Dirty Leeds last night :thumbsup:

However we play Hereford on Saturday so were hoping we get the 3 points not them :D

Much as I hate to keep bringing this thread back, as a Hereford United fan, I can't let my team's latest win over the once mighty Leeds United last night pass without comment.

Less than 8 years ago, while Leeds were cheating battling their way through to the semi-finals of the Champions League, Hereford were a non-league club in dire financial straits and being beaten by the likes of Barrow, Leek Town and Leigh RMI. Not only are we now playing Leeds at the same level but we've played them 4 times in the last year and a bit, beaten them twice and kept three clean sheets!

As the match report from the Yorkshire Post shows (http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/leedsunited/Leeds-United-Fans39-patience-finally.4990320.jp), last night's result was the last straw for the few remaining Leeds fans, who were reduced to chanting "We're **** and we're sick of it" at the end of the game. If you'd like even more of a giggle, why not visit the Leeds United forum? As the language is rather fruity I won't link to it directly but if you type "WACCOE" into your favourite search engine, you'll get there.

How much lower can they sink? :hihi:

There is no limit to how low we can sink. By all accounts you were much the better team, congratulations on the win. A couple of weeks ago after a short good run when we were two points off the playoff zone with two games in hand I thought things were going to start going well again. Now we're five points off on level games and losing to teams in the relegation zone and it's going from bad to worse again. To call it embarrassing is an understatement, but I'm not going to try make excuses, there aren't any.

Much as I hate to keep bringing this thread back, as a Hereford United fan, I can't let my team's latest win over the once mighty Leeds United last night pass without comment.

....... Not only are we now playing Leeds at the same level but we've played them 4 times in the last year and a bit, beaten them twice and kept three clean sheets!
.....


Not getting bored yet then, Basil?

there just an average 3rd division side now- simple as that.

Actually, it doesn't surprise me that the citizens of Leeds have some respect for Hereford, as it is probably one of the few areas of Britain which can produce almost as much bull excrement as they do.

lets face it the best and biggest team in leeds in the rhinos - end of

lets face it the best and biggest team in leeds in the rhinos - end of

well yeah but rugby is s**t so they dont count :suspect:

well yeah but rugby is s**t so they dont count :suspect:

Indeed. On the plus side, at least we have one claim to fame; we must surely now top the world league for ratio of city size to footballing irrelevance :)

Indeed. On the plus side, at least we have one claim to fame; we must surely now top the world league for ratio of city size to footballing irrelevance :)

Nice try, but the US has lots of big cities, all of which are irrelevant on the world stage at just about any major sport you care to mention, never mind football.

We'll let you top the European league for ratio of city size to footballing irrelevance though.....;)

Nice try, but the US has lots of big cities, all of which are irrelevant on the world stage at just about any major sport you care to mention, never mind football.

We'll let you top the European league for ratio of city size to footballing irrelevance though.....;)

Bah. Damn Yanks ruining everything with their ignorance as usual :)

As far as I'm aware, Los Angeles doesn't even have an American Football team. However, back to the original topic...

muahahahaha!

i cant see L***s getting promoted this season

i cant see L***s getting promoted this season

I've got a feeling they will sneak in to the playoffs-and probably win them this time.:mad:

I've got a feeling they will sneak in to the playoffs-and probably win them this time.:mad:

You have more faith in us than I do. We excel in failure. We're very good at finishing second in tournaments, except lower leagues where second place is good enough, where we lose playoff finals :)

I've got a feeling they will sneak in to the playoffs-and probably win them this time.:mad:

It's a proud day for all true football fans as we look at the league tables and see Leeds United stuck in the lower divisions for yet another season, and few could doubt that they richly deserve it. And with much stronger teams coming down from the Championship this year in Norwich, Southampton and Charlton, it'll be much more difficult for them to get back.

With a bit of luck Leeds may even be facing a relegation battle next season as what few decent players they've got leave and fans boycott the club in protest at having to pay £25-30 to watch third tier football.

Last night they were dreaming of going to the likes of Newcastle, Boro and the two Sheffield clubs next season. This morning they know instead they'll be visiting the likes of Brentford, Wycombe and Exeter. Ho ho!
hihi::hihi::hihi::hihi::hihi:

i think bates gambled this year and danked on them coming up- oh how i laughed when millwall scored!!!!

I didn't see last night's game but I have to say that Millwall dominated from start to finish and thoroughly deserved their win.

Swine flu hits Elland road thousands left pig sick

:hihi::hihi::hihi:

It's a proud day for all true football fans as we look at the league tables and see Leeds United stuck in the lower divisions for yet another season, and few could doubt that they richly deserve it. And with much stronger teams coming down from the Championship this year in Norwich, Southampton and Charlton, it'll be much more difficult for them to get back.

With a bit of luck Leeds may even be facing a relegation battle next season as what few decent players they've got leave and fans boycott the club in protest at having to pay £25-30 to watch third tier football.

Last night they were dreaming of going to the likes of Newcastle, Boro and the two Sheffield clubs next season. This morning they know instead they'll be visiting the likes of Brentford, Wycombe and Exeter. Ho ho!
hihi::hihi::hihi::hihi::hihi:

Whilst I don't want to deny you your opportunity to gloat, and you must be loving it, surely any non-Leeds obsessed fan can see that the only club more loathsome and dirty than my own is Millwall? Not wishing to be a sore loser, but I really hope the winner of tonight's semi-final batters them at Wembley. I was held up outside the ground by police so their fans could be escorted into the stadium by many police on horseback, as their fans attempted to break through the barriers to start fights (860 of them vs 37,000 of us, clearly a bit over-confident!). I've never seen such a set of thugs in my life. They make the worst of our fans look like angels.

On the pitch they were worse. A booking that should've been a red within 20 seconds. Once they got their goal, their keeper took over a minute to take every single goal kick, I was surprised the fans behind the goal didn't run on to take it for him. It was also the only game I've been to where a player who wasn't playing was booked. In injury time the ball went out for a Leeds throw-in by the bench. A Millwall sub picked up the ball and held it for a good 20 seconds before throwing it to the screaming Leeds player. I've never witnessed a Leeds player (or any other player for that matter) show such disregard for sportsmanship.

Last night we were clearly the better team, we passed around well but at times gave the ball away too easily, too many players showed a complete lack of commitment (Beckford was a lazy disgrace, only Snodgrass, Robinson and Becchio actually looked like they wanted to win the match) and despite plenty of decent possession in midfield we created very few decent chances. That said, we were so bad in the away leg on Saturday that I think on the whole they were the better team over two legs and deserved to go through. Had it been any other team, I would have taken defeat gracefully. I don't mind losing to the better team, I didn't mind losing to Doncaster last year when they beat us fairly and were much better than us. But I was so incensed by the behaviour of both their fans and players that it's hard not to feel a bit bitter.

Next year will be hard, there are some big teams joining us, and we'll be losing Beckford and Delph no doubt (although if they play anything like they did last night then it won't be a big loss), but I'm trying to remain positive. It's Grayson's first full season in charge, and he's done great things (if we'd had the points/games ratio we've had since Grayson took over across the whole season we'd have finished 1st). I'm just hoping we can keep hold of Sam Sodje, who's been brilliant for us and the reason we didn't lose by more on Saturday.

Hopefully this will finally get some of our more deluded fans (no names mentioned) into the realisation that we are now a League 1 club. This isn't a temporary blip, we've had two attempts to get out of it now and shown twice that we're not up to the job. We might have the best stadium and the best support, but without the best players and the best team that doesn't really count for much. For all Beckford's talent, he doesn't look like he cares. We will fare better with a team of people who want to win than a team full of skillful egos. It's like Berbatov and Tevez at Man Utd (only a bit less good). Berbatov is obviously the better footballer, but he's lazy and does nothing unless everyone else does the hard work for him, and the fans hate him. Tevez is technically one of Man Utd's least able players, but he makes up for it by playing every game like his life depends on it and the fans love him and it gets the other players going as well. If we get rid of the egos, make some solid signings and regroup we can make a decent go of it next season.

Love from,

A depressed but surprisingly optimistic and philosophical Leeds fan.

Whilst I don't want to deny you your opportunity to gloat, and you must be loving it, surely any non-Leeds obsessed fan can see that the only club more loathsome and dirty than my own is Millwall? Not wishing to be a sore loser, but I really hope the winner of tonight's semi-final batters them at Wembley. I was held up outside the ground by police so their fans could be escorted into the stadium by many police on horseback, as their fans attempted to break through the barriers to start fights (860 of them vs 37,000 of us, clearly a bit over-confident!). I've never seen such a set of thugs in my life. They make the worst of our fans look like angels.

On the pitch they were worse. A booking that should've been a red within 20 seconds. Once they got their goal, their keeper took over a minute to take every single goal kick, I was surprised the fans behind the goal didn't run on to take it for him. It was also the only game I've been to where a player who wasn't playing was booked. In injury time the ball went out for a Leeds throw-in by the bench. A Millwall sub picked up the ball and held it for a good 20 seconds before throwing it to the screaming Leeds player. I've never witnessed a Leeds player (or any other player for that matter) show such disregard for sportsmanship.

Last night we were clearly the better team, we passed around well but at times gave the ball away too easily, too many players showed a complete lack of commitment (Beckford was a lazy disgrace, only Snodgrass, Robinson and Becchio actually looked like they wanted to win the match) and despite plenty of decent possession in midfield we created very few decent chances. That said, we were so bad in the away leg on Saturday that I think on the whole they were the better team over two legs and deserved to go through. Had it been any other team, I would have taken defeat gracefully. I don't mind losing to the better team, I didn't mind losing to Doncaster last year when they beat us fairly and were much better than us. But I was so incensed by the behaviour of both their fans and players that it's hard not to feel a bit bitter.

Next year will be hard, there are some big teams joining us, and we'll be losing Beckford and Delph no doubt (although if they play anything like they did last night then it won't be a big loss), but I'm trying to remain positive. It's Grayson's first full season in charge, and he's done great things (if we'd had the points/games ratio we've had since Grayson took over across the whole season we'd have finished 1st). I'm just hoping we can keep hold of Sam Sodje, who's been brilliant for us and the reason we didn't lose by more on Saturday.

Hopefully this will finally get some of our more deluded fans (no names mentioned) into the realisation that we are now a League 1 club. This isn't a temporary blip, we've had two attempts to get out of it now and shown twice that we're not up to the job. We might have the best stadium and the best support, but without the best players and the best team that doesn't really count for much. For all Beckford's talent, he doesn't look like he cares. We will fare better with a team of people who want to win than a team full of skillful egos. It's like Berbatov and Tevez at Man Utd (only a bit less good). Berbatov is obviously the better footballer, but he's lazy and does nothing unless everyone else does the hard work for him, and the fans hate him. Tevez is technically one of Man Utd's least able players, but he makes up for it by playing every game like his life depends on it and the fans love him and it gets the other players going as well. If we get rid of the egos, make some solid signings and regroup we can make a decent go of it next season.

Love from,

A depressed but surprisingly optimistic and philosophical Leeds fan.



Great post and although i might not like leeds as a team- i agree with virtually all of your post and agree that any team with that amount of support deserves better (ala newcastle) BUT- as you said- fans don't give you points - the team does.

Well done sir.

It's a proud day for all true football fans as we look at the league tables and see Leeds United stuck in the lower divisions for yet another season, and few could doubt that they richly deserve it. And with much stronger teams coming down from the Championship this year in Norwich, Southampton and Charlton, it'll be much more difficult for them to get back.

With a bit of luck Leeds may even be facing a relegation battle next season as what few decent players they've got leave and fans boycott the club in protest at having to pay £25-30 to watch third tier football.

Last night they were dreaming of going to the likes of Newcastle, Boro and the two Sheffield clubs next season. This morning they know instead they'll be visiting the likes of Brentford, Wycombe and Exeter. Ho ho!
hihi::hihi::hihi::hihi::hihi:

hilarious isnt it :hihi:

i have just discoverd leeds has its own forum, im now going to go and register and gloat

I feel sorry for that loveable rogue of a chairman Ken Bates and my heart pines for those cuddly, well-behaved and amiable supporters who, wherever they traverse (usually third division grounds these days) are welcomed with open arms and mugs of tea.

Yes, 'marching on together' but treading water in the lower leagues, where they belong.

Good night, Peacocks, good night.

Santa Claus was on Sky Sports News earlier and proudly stated that "Leeds are going places". It's not often that I agree with him, but I do here. They are indeed "going places".

Wycombe, Exeter, Yeovil .....

It's a proud day for all true football fans as we look at the league tables and see Leeds United stuck in the lower divisions for yet another season, and few could doubt that they richly deserve it. And with much stronger teams coming down from the Championship this year in Norwich, Southampton and Charlton, it'll be much more difficult for them to get back.

With a bit of luck Leeds may even be facing a relegation battle next season as what few decent players they've got leave and fans boycott the club in protest at having to pay £25-30 to watch third tier football.

Last night they were dreaming of going to the likes of Newcastle, Boro and the two Sheffield clubs next season. This morning they know instead they'll be visiting the likes of Brentford, Wycombe and Exeter. Ho ho!
hihi::hihi::hihi::hihi::hihi:




Well its enough to bring tears to a glass eye isnt it. I laughed so much last night at those poor unfortunates, some of whom pay over £600 for the misfortunate of watching them. And dont forget there is also Harry and Christa on look leeds tonight we can watch and see if they have black armbands on

Santa Claus was on Sky Sports News earlier and proudly stated that "Leeds are going places". It's not often that I agree with him, but I do here. They are indeed "going places".

Wycombe, Exeter, Yeovil .....

Apart from Leeds, the third division for next season does have a look of 3rd division south about it, doesn' it!

And the fourth; fourth division, north!

I didn't really want to swap Charlton away, for Millwall away next year though!

I think Leeds about bottomed out at Histon just before Christmas.
That's a tough act to follow!

Start laughing…………..I have been laughing for ages. :hihi::hihi::hihi::hihi:

just listened to Simon Grayson on talksport-he was Gutted:hihi::hihi::hihi:

I am truely gutted. I got no sleep last night because of that result.:(

My ribs are killing me from laughing so much:hihi:

Only 37,000 in a major city with only one team? :o

At least that's six points each for Norwich, Southampton and Charlton.:thumbsup:

I think Millwall did the world of football a massive favour last night. Lets just hope Leeds misfortune carries on for many years to come

I think Millwall did the world of football a massive favour last night. Lets just hope Leeds misfortune carries on for many years to come

If they get promoted and you have the joy of playing them next year, you'll be really wishing we'd won that game :)

If they get promoted and you have the joy of playing them next year, you'll be really wishing we'd won that game :)

Why, because it would be 6 easy points?

MARRRRRRCHHHIIINNGGG ON TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Wycombe ;)

Scunny thorugh 7-6 on pens tonight

oh, yess!

I shall be an Honorary Iron fan for the day! :D

oh, yess!

I shall be an Honorary Iron fan for the day! :D

that makes 2 of us:thumbsup:

Whilst I don't want to deny you your opportunity to gloat, and you must be loving it, surely any non-Leeds obsessed fan can see that the only club more loathsome and dirty than my own is Millwall? Not wishing to be a sore loser, but I really hope the winner of tonight's semi-final batters them at Wembley. I was held up outside the ground by police so their fans could be escorted into the stadium by many police on horseback, as their fans attempted to break through the barriers to start fights (860 of them vs 37,000 of us, clearly a bit over-confident!). I've never seen such a set of thugs in my life. They make the worst of our fans look like angels.

On the pitch they were worse. A booking that should've been a red within 20 seconds. Once they got their goal, their keeper took over a minute to take every single goal kick, I was surprised the fans behind the goal didn't run on to take it for him. It was also the only game I've been to where a player who wasn't playing was booked. In injury time the ball went out for a Leeds throw-in by the bench. A Millwall sub picked up the ball and held it for a good 20 seconds before throwing it to the screaming Leeds player. I've never witnessed a Leeds player (or any other player for that matter) show such disregard for sportsmanship.

Last night we were clearly the better team, we passed around well but at times gave the ball away too easily, too many players showed a complete lack of commitment (Beckford was a lazy disgrace, only Snodgrass, Robinson and Becchio actually looked like they wanted to win the match) and despite plenty of decent possession in midfield we created very few decent chances. That said, we were so bad in the away leg on Saturday that I think on the whole they were the better team over two legs and deserved to go through. Had it been any other team, I would have taken defeat gracefully. I don't mind losing to the better team, I didn't mind losing to Doncaster last year when they beat us fairly and were much better than us. But I was so incensed by the behaviour of both their fans and players that it's hard not to feel a bit bitter.

Next year will be hard, there are some big teams joining us, and we'll be losing Beckford and Delph no doubt (although if they play anything like they did last night then it won't be a big loss), but I'm trying to remain positive. It's Grayson's first full season in charge, and he's done great things (if we'd had the points/games ratio we've had since Grayson took over across the whole season we'd have finished 1st). I'm just hoping we can keep hold of Sam Sodje, who's been brilliant for us and the reason we didn't lose by more on Saturday.

Hopefully this will finally get some of our more deluded fans (no names mentioned) into the realisation that we are now a League 1 club. This isn't a temporary blip, we've had two attempts to get out of it now and shown twice that we're not up to the job. We might have the best stadium and the best support, but without the best players and the best team that doesn't really count for much. For all Beckford's talent, he doesn't look like he cares. We will fare better with a team of people who want to win than a team full of skillful egos. It's like Berbatov and Tevez at Man Utd (only a bit less good). Berbatov is obviously the better footballer, but he's lazy and does nothing unless everyone else does the hard work for him, and the fans hate him. Tevez is technically one of Man Utd's least able players, but he makes up for it by playing every game like his life depends on it and the fans love him and it gets the other players going as well. If we get rid of the egos, make some solid signings and regroup we can make a decent go of it next season.

Love from,

A depressed but surprisingly optimistic and philosophical Leeds fan.

Good honest post, but in all fairness if you had have come up you would have struggled, if the only players you can talk about are Delph who by the way looked a shambles, Robinson who is no where near Championship quality, and Beckford well you said it all, then like i say hard time's, your manager aint that good either, Di Matteo sound's a better manager and he couldn't do owt either tonight, when all is said and done the two big time charlies got shown up in the last 2 nights, Big Leeds and Fake Mk Dons.
Good luck to Millwall, another excuse for an away trip to London next season.:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

Good honest post, but in all fairness if you had have come up you would have struggled, if the only players you can talk about are Delph who by the way looked a shambles, Robinson who is no where near Championship quality, and Beckford well you said it all, then like i say hard time's, your manager aint that good either, Di Matteo sound's a better manager and he couldn't do owt either tonight, when all is said and done the two big time charlies got shown up in the last 2 nights, Big Leeds and Fake Mk Dons.
Good luck to Millwall, another excuse for an away trip to London next season.:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
id much rather see the iron come up mate -come on Scunny

If they get promoted and you have the joy of playing them next year, you'll be really wishing we'd won that game :)

Scunny can still win ;) I must say though, fair play for coming on here and being so honest and clear about a club you love.

Fans like you who will take the rough with the smooth, and will stick your heads above the parapet and take the stick (we've all had to do it) are the real reason why the sport still exists.

Good on yer!

I will be supporting Scunny anyway as there are another team with the initials of S.U.F.C. and they are the more local to us as well

that makes 2 of us:thumbsup:

3 :thumbsup::thumbsup:

Good honest post, but in all fairness if you had have come up you would have struggled, if the only players you can talk about are Delph who by the way looked a shambles, Robinson who is no where near Championship quality, and Beckford well you said it all, then like i say hard time's, your manager aint that good either, Di Matteo sound's a better manager and he couldn't do owt either tonight, when all is said and done the two big time charlies got shown up in the last 2 nights, Big Leeds and Fake Mk Dons.
Good luck to Millwall, another excuse for an away trip to London next season.:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

We would've struggled greatly. Delph is great when he wants to be, as is Beckford, but they were hopeless, the pair of them were disgraceful over both legs, and Delph was very lucky not to be sent off in the first leg for that terrible challenge. I think Grayson's proved himself as well as he can in his brief managerial career. He's only 39, and has taken a Blackpool side to promotion, and taken us from 10th and looking like no-hopers to 4th with an incredible 12 straight home wins in a few months in charge. But we really wouldn't have stood a chance in the Championship without much better players. We're far too reliant on a handful of key players, who will surely be gone by next season. Hopefully we can use this time to develop a solid, able squad without the prima donnas that can give us the foundation for playing in the Championship.

Scunny can still win ;) I must say though, fair play for coming on here and being so honest and clear about a club you love.

Fans like you who will take the rough with the smooth, and will stick your heads above the parapet and take the stick (we've all had to do it) are the real reason why the sport still exists.

Good on yer!

Likewise yourself. I try to come on here and take justified criticism and a bit of banter, and that's fine. I get a bit sick of still getting abuse from people even when I'm putting my team down, just makes people seem a bit pathetic. It's nice when I get a reasonable response from someone who realises I'm just trying to stick up for my team, not abusing anyone else's team or bigging us up, just telling it as it is. I'm not trying to delude myself or anyone, just trying to accept what we are and being realistic as to what we can achieve.

I will be supporting Scunny anyway as there are another team with the initials of S.U.F.C. and they are the more local to us as well

+1

Come on Scunthorpe!

Fancy a day out in London, Basil; and making him an offer?

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You could get on at Doncaster!

In fact at a low price, some Blades might be interested in going down a day earlier, not using the return portion of this, and booking tickets back some other time!