Have a look at THIS (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/4323979.stm)

It's a very bad idea - we should be looking toward integration (and all sides need to work on integration!) not segregation. If you want to stream or set students based on their academic ability fine - but on race? Thats a very divisive step to take...

Originally posted by evildrneil
It's a very bad idea - we should be looking toward integration (and all sides need to work on integration!) not segregation. If you want to stream or set students based on their academic ability fine - but on race? Thats a very divisive step to take...

I agree drneil. This has to be one of the worst ideas I've heard for a long time!

K x

Originally posted by evildrneil
It's a very bad idea - we should be looking toward integration (and all sides need to work on integration!) not segregation. If you want to stream or set students based on their academic ability fine - but on race? Thats a very divisive step to take...
I agree as well. Could not believe it this morning when i saw GMTV

I agree with you all, but I also am sat waiting for the appearence of the "cough" defenders of the faith to start up a race hate war :(

NO!!!! OMG I thought all this kind of prejudice had gone out the window!! obviously I was wrong - separation is not the answer - better education and reaching out to these boys is paramount otherwise they will be forgotten about and society will be worse for it. ...and to come from somebody who is supposedly in power and standing - that is just ridiculous - I really hate people sometimes :grr:

If you have a class of boys and girls you don't separate them just because the girls are doing better and the boys are worse, you work together to make the class better and not single out a group

As a slight aside - shouldn't the Comission For Racial Equality be leading by example here and treating students equally with no regard to race, creed or colour? Or am I being increadably niave and utopian here?

my point exactly - you said it much better :)

Apparently, they got the idea from America (No surprise there)
Who do also segregate boys and girls.

well they American system SUX with a capital S ;) ...have we no ideas for ourselves that we have to rip off them? I really just gets me too mad!

Originally posted by viking
Apparently, they got the idea from America (No surprise there)
Who do also segregate boys and girls.

I didn't know that - are you having us on again viking :suspect:

K x

Originally posted by Kristian
I didn't know that - are you having us on again viking :suspect:

K x

No not this time, it was on GMTV this morning

The problem seems to arise from poor parenting and economic background. White boys from the same kind of environment/econimic background do just as poorly at school as black boys. The reality is that most black families fall into the lower income brackets so any general comparison of eductaional achievement between white and black is bound to be skewed.

More black male teachers might help but how to recruit them ?

On the subject of segregation, - there seems not to have been very much opposition to Muslim schools where demography dictates that the intake will be almost entirely Asian.

no

segregation causes problems.

The more integrated a society is the less tensions there are within that society.

By taking a group aside you are stigmatising that group in the minds of the group and all those outside of it.

We need more black/asian teachers. Especially males.

A lot of kids seem to be playing the race card in today's society with any authority figures. We need to get this stopped.

How about just separating out the students based on grades and ability. If (an ONLY if) what this guy is saying holds true, we will end up with a class containing only black boys. If we don't, it will satisfactorily prove him wrong.

Of course, if by pure bizarre chance it does prove him right then at least the separation has been for valid, accepted reasons (academic ability) :rolleyes:

Single sex lessons work out very well for girls, who seem to reach their potential much better - if it works for girls then why not black boys.:confused:

I have to say I'm not a big fan of single sex lessons/schools either. We all live in the same world and should be treated the same way. Separating out boys/girls, races, religions etc. looks like a move which will only further entrench the divisions in society.

Some parents choose to send their kids to single sex schools so there must be some advantage to it, or why would they bother ?

I was stating a general principle - we get alot of our early socialisation from school - if you are in a single sex or single race environment won't that limit your socialisation to that particular group? I personally think that these days far to much emphasis on results and grades and not enough on other very important issues like socialisation and integration - or as dear old Albert said:

Not everything that can be counted counts and not everything that counts can be counted.

I cannot say that this suggestion is a solution, however race does make a difference in some areas.
I entirely agree that we all are members of the human race and therefore should learn to live in the same world.
Some people have special needs and cannot maintain an acceptable level of education in a standard school, therefore the education system makes allowances.
If black boys are statistically suffering in their standards of education, shouldn't allowances be made to help them?
Where I teach there is a form of racism going on every day - against me. Simply because I am a white female teacher. I get no respect from most male asian ( Indian and Pakistani predominantly) students. This unfortunately inhibits my ability to teach as I cannot speak them and have them listen, exert authority or give punishments like detention (parents bail them out with a note).
Should all asian students be taught by men or by people of their own culture exclusively, just because they refuse to respect women or white people?
I feel too many people are afraid of appearing racist against ethnic minorities and therefore become racist against white people. Too many allowances are made and too much jumping through hoops in order to say that we weren't racist.
Ultimately we are all human and should be treated as equals UNLESS we cannot perform as equals for some reason, then we can be given special consideration.
Culture, religion, physical and mental differences, health... these are all reasons that special consideration MIGHT be given, circumstances permitting. Each person should be taken on their own merit and helped as individuals.
if that means that several black boys would benefit more from being taught seperately sometimes - then so be it, so long as they are not segregated completely and not in anyway socially.
I expect someone will read this as a racist post, please, before responding, read it again. I simply do not agree with most peoples reasons but it does not make me racist.

I think this is the wrong way round. Shouldn't we be looking at WHY black males are not doing well and address those issues - if not aren't we going to create a condition whereby we condition them into being separate and incapable rather than full members of society? This can only have bad long term effects.

What a stupid idea...Are we aiming to be the new South Africa!

I really don't see why 'black males' have been singled out. Some lessons have been proved to benefit boys and girls when they are tought separately but surely to distinguish black males from white males is taking things a bit too far?

If people are taught separately then how are they supposed to learn to integrate and learn tollerance of each other?

There may be a case for some groups of people to have some extra lessons in a different environment, but total schooling is far from an ideal solution.

Well on the news they interviewed a group of teenage black boys from Brum - they seemed very concerned they were being singled out for this special treatment - do the people who make up these crack pot ideas not realise its them that have to put up with the consequences of their 'plans'?

The youth of today are more integrated than any generation before - why undo this progress? Makes no sense to me

Watch the news today and find that there is a proposal to seperate the black students from classes because of their unsatisfactory GCSE result. I find it interesting and would like to do a project on it. Can anyone suggest me what organisation or where can I find the blacks to talk to?

Any secondary schools which have more black students?

Any people especially the blacks want to share your opinion ?

Thanks! : )

Perhaps consider changing use of the term 'the blacks' before you speak to any black people; I would have thought that term could cause offence!

Originally posted by Kristian
Perhaps consider changing use of the term 'the blacks' before you speak to any black people; I would have thought that term could cause offence! '



but what could he say without causing offence

The latest generation is also the one with the poorest standards of education, the worst social interaction and the lowest levels of respect.
Maybe it's about time someone recognised the problems, forgot racism for two flipping minutes and looked at the changes in the last 30 years.

Originally posted by panda79
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but what could he say without causing offence

I'm not an expert under any circumstances; I just think the term 'black people' sounds better than 'the blacks' As a white man myself, I'm maybe not the best person to make this statement; however, for example, if BBBB had wanted to know where he could have met 'the gays', I would have considered that a 'loaded' statement.

K x

Thanks for reminding me. You are right, I didn't pay attention to my term.

totally agree with Kristian

I didn't know we had a black minority in Sheffield :?.

Everyone's in the same group as far as I'm concerned.

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If they are taught separately, this will most likely result in pressure mounting for other groups to be taught separately. What next, 'gay' pupils? White, working class boys? If black pupils are taught separately, will they be taught by black teachers? What about black school inspectors? Will the curriculum be 'Black Studies'? The questions this idea throws up are endless.

Why is it that black boys are so 'special' a case requiring such drastic measures? Is this idea not just another case of tokenism? A way of balancing the books, without really getting to the root cause of the imbalance in scholastic achievement by black pupils? Imagine if this scheme does go ahead, only to produce less impressive results. The 'elephant in the room' that everybody is so keen to avoid, is the role that inner-city, black British culture plays here. The culture contains so many values and norms which are at odds with mainstream ideas of 'education'. We have to, or rather the so-called 'black community' has to, deal with the negative aspects of its own culture rather than unfairly [for all concerned] singling out a particular gender/ethnic group for special treatment. Would we single out British children of East Asian origin [Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Vietnamese etc] for special treatment in view of the fact that they tend to outstrip other groups in terms of mathematical competance? What about some special treatment for them- exclusive teaching, extra maths, more sweeties etc?

left handed people should be in seperate classes its so sinister...

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