I was pulled over by Traffic cops this afternoon , you know suddenly the flashing headlights and the blue lights in your mirror and a quick wail of the siren. Bit surprised, I thought I might have a brake light out or something, but the Officer apparently thought the car was untaxed. He was surprised to see a current tax disk on display valid for 6 months from March 1st, which was purchased on March 1st.

Acording to him the car was also showing no MOT or insurance, but I dumfounded him by producing the MOT certificate, which was actually still in the car from when I went to the PO to get tax disk last week. The MOT was valid until August this year, and the insurance until August also, so whatever new equipment the Police are using does not seem to be working. He did apologize and mentioned something about a number plate recognition system, but it sounds like it was not working at all well to me.

Anyone else been stopped for totally innacurate reasons, presumably due to malfunctioning computer equipment?

someone would have imputted a wrong digit of the numberplate in their database imo

Let's face it Goldenfleece it's just not been your weekend has it, First the Corporation then the Bobbies, if I were you I would keep a low profile for a week or two :suspect:

I hope you gave them your full Corporation??:heyhey:

Originally posted by cgksheff
I hope you gave them your full Corporation??:heyhey:


Ooooh ya bit ch :D :D :D

Must have been a call on a burglary somewhere and they were..avoiding it.

Used to drive delivery vans..got fed up of being stopped for no reason other than earning a living. Motorists are easy targets...most of those stopped tho think they have done wrong..when they are totally innocent.

Could the office provide adequate paperwork for his vehicle ?..maybe ytou should ask next time...I do and they don't like it !!

Why would a traffic cop be going to a burglary? :loopy:

[mbatey]

Goldenfleece don't i remember you mentioning that you drive an elderly ford fiesta? Maybe the police saw you leaving a trail of oil and a billowing cloud of smoke and thought to themselves, 'there's a car without tax and MOT' I'm sure that's why I got pulled on two occasions as my car looked shabby and had definitely seen better days although I hasten to add it was always road worthy and taxed, tested and insured.

I got pulled by the police loads when I had an older car; in fairness, I suppose that's where they get the biggest success rate though. Still not fair when you think about it though.

K x

I've been pulled over i think 4 times now in the past couple of weeks. I expect it though driving round late at night in a fairly old vehicle. I think the new system where the police can check your details is great, saves me getting a producer every couple of days. Doesn't bother me because i'm doing nothing wrong and the police are doing their job, but it has gone against me a bit because i live in Leeds but work in Sheffield. Twice when i've been pulled it's because they've already done a check, seen the cars registered somewhere else and pulled me over to see what i'm doing. Other two times have just been random late night stops. On my fourth stop, after giving my details the policeman was about to radio it through to be checked then stopped and said "Ah.. you're the beer delivery man, no problem, have a good night."

-PK-

PK - just checked out your website - fantastic. Your number is now in my phone. Hope to use you soon.

Make that 2 :D I've been looking for somewhere like that for ages.

oh yes........unlimited beer..i always run out.....not anymore:D :D :D

A bit off topic but i was walking my friends dog the other night and noticed the camera van was parked outside graves park. (charles ashmore rd).

they had left the camera on the wall and parked further up the road to remain hidden, i saw one of my other friends and had an hours chat with him blocking the camera!!

After an hour one of the officers realised this and came to move us on, threatening to charge me with wasting police time!!! Oh, how i chuckled!

I drove my wife over to Bridlington the other weekend and saw a camera van parked just off a roundabout, (can't remember where it was). I couldn't work out the speed limit in the short amount of time I had before reaching the vanas it was a major road coming of a roundabout and going from a built up area into the country. (I think it was 40mph)

So I just slowed to 20mph and we both smiled and waved as we went past, I then put my foot to the floor! (Until I reached the speed limit of course) ;)

From now on we've decided that this is the best plan of action in the face of manned speed cameras, go very slowly and wave like mad!! :wave: :wave: :wave:

Originally posted by Briano
From now on we've decided that this is the best plan of action in the face of manned speed cameras, go very slowly and wave like mad!! :wave: :wave: :wave:

Yes, must admit I started doing this too especially to the one hidden behind the wholesale markets sign on the Parkway, I like when you slow the other motorists down behind you to form a nice slow convey.

Originally posted by WallBuilder
Goldenfleece don't i remember you mentioning that you drive an elderly ford fiesta? Maybe the police saw you leaving a trail of oil and a billowing cloud of smoke and thought to themselves, 'there's a car without tax and MOT' I'm sure that's why I got pulled on two occasions as my car looked shabby and had definitely seen better days although I hasten to add it was always road worthy and taxed, tested and insured.


true, but they claim there onboard computer was telling them I had no MOT, tax or insurance, so the fact the car was an old banger is neither here nor there. It was not a random stop, but trigered by their computer system running amok.

trail of oil my bum.......that car is in excellant condition, it just LOOKS a shed on wheels.

Originally posted by AndyWilby
A bit off topic but i was walking my friends dog the other night and noticed the camera van was parked outside graves park. (charles ashmore rd).
they had left the camera on the wall and parked further up the road to remain hidden, i saw one of my other friends and had an hours chat with him blocking the camera!!

This area of Meadowhead is the most regular spot in sheffield 8 [and as far as I know the whole of th south of sheffield]for a temporary speed trap. Remember that when you are getting t'clog down and zooming up the hill. Even the tree has a white ring painted on it a bit further up.
This spot has been a regular trap for over a decade to my knowlegde.

Originally posted by Briano
I drove my wife over to Bridlington the other weekend and saw a camera van parked just off a roundabout, (can't remember where it was). I couldn't work out the speed limit in the short amount of time I had before reaching the vanas it was a major road coming of a roundabout and going from a built up area into the country. (I think it was 40mph)

So I just slowed to 20mph and we both smiled and waved as we went past, I then put my foot to the floor! (Until I reached the speed limit of course) ;)

From now on we've decided that this is the best plan of action in the face of manned speed cameras, go very slowly and wave like mad!! :wave: :wave: :wave:


All very funny, untill they do you for driving without due care - OH YES THEY CAN!!!!

im a member of a scamera forum and know all the tricks these lot pull - so dont take any chances.

Originally posted by Gazza
All very funny, untill they do you for driving without due care - OH YES THEY CAN!!!!

im a member of a scamera forum and know all the tricks these lot pull - so dont take any chances.

A camera forum, for pity's sake...too much time on your hands, why don't you just observe the speed limit and stop bleating.

Originally posted by Gazza
All very funny, untill they do you for driving without due care - OH YES THEY CAN!!!!

im a member of a scamera forum and know all the tricks these lot pull - so dont take any chances.

I wasn't aware it was illegal to drive below the maximum permisable speed i.e. drive at 20MPH in a 30MPH limit, I accept the driving without due care if you're busy waving away at the speed camera.

Would you care to mention the scamera forum so we could have quick look.

Originally posted by cloud
A camera forum, for pity's sake...too much time on your hands, why don't you just observe the speed limit and stop bleating.

So you must have too much time on your own hands by reading Sheffield Forum then, by applying your logic!

On holiday last year in Suffolk.
Was driving near Sizewell Nuclear power station, and was stopped because of the 'current situation' and the fact I'd been driving slowly and not taken the most direct route through the area: 2 kids in the back, and I didn't know the best route - I was meandering around the place on holiday...
Officer mentione where I was from - presumably to let me know he'd run a check.
Just as well he didn't find the anthrax hidden in the spare tyre...

Originally posted by mega_monty
I wasn't aware it was illegal to drive below the maximum permisable speed i.e. drive at 20MPH in a 30MPH limit, I accept the driving without due care if you're busy waving away at the speed camera.
It isn't unless you're on the motorway. On there the legal minimum is 30mph, unless there is a hold up

If the Police beleive that the speed you are travelling at is causing an obstruction or Driving without due care (say you are driving at 10 mph in a 40 zone, you are obviously not concentrating on your driving) then they can pull you over. Don't know how this would go in court but technically they can do it.

Originally posted by goldenfleece
. trail of oil my bum.......that car is in excellant condition, it just LOOKS a shed on wheels.

I notice you don't disagree about the cloud of billowing smoke though?
No great surprise that we hear that the computers that the police use are as prone to mistakes as any other, why should the police have machines that always work, just hope it's fastened securely to the dashboard as otherwise we'll be finding the shattered remnants in the grass verges of all our roads. Am I liable if I throw my machine out of the house window and it hits a passerby? technology is wonderful when it works!!

Originally posted by mega_monty
I wasn't aware it was illegal to drive below the maximum permisable speed i.e. drive at 20MPH in a 30MPH limit, I accept the driving without due care if you're busy waving away at the speed camera.

Would you care to mention the scamera forum so we could have quick look.

I was referring to the waiving part - i.e. if you are looking at the scamera van (and not the road ahead - with only one hand on the wheel) that is most definitely driving without due care.

the link to the Scamera forum is;

http://pepipoo.com/NewForums2/index.php?sid=a88d82b9b5607ec4edcd5f412d2adfd6

Originally posted by cloud
A camera forum, for pity's sake...too much time on your hands, why don't you just observe the speed limit and stop bleating.

Who’s bleating???? (Apart from you sorry)

I bet you fall into 1 of the 2 following categories

1) the person that slows me down on the way to work by driving at 29 mph
2) you have never driven a motor vehicle

I admit it, I am serial speeder, but I do respect the speed limits in built up areas, and would support a 20mph limit in these areas.

But for gods sake 30mph on Penistone Rd for example - never upgraded from when it was a single carriageway.

Pulled twice in one night!!

OK, so one of my headlamps might have been slightly out. First pull in Sheffield, policeman told me it was out, drive carefully tonight and get it fixed. I bought a bulb but the plug needs replacing too so couldn't change it. Second pull, on the M1, full details check in the back of the police car and a vehicle defect form. Trip to the garage for me tomorrow!

The first time gave the customer i was going to a bit of a shock when i pulled up with a police escort as he was waiting outside his house for his beer!

-PK-

Originally posted by muddycoffee
[B On there the legal minimum is 30mph, unless there is a hold up [/B]

What a load of phooey. In my humble opinion.

You are meant to drive "at a speed which will allow you to stop in the distance you can see to bee clear"

Therefor at night or in bad weather you may not be able to drive at thirty on the motorway.

Have a copy of Roadcraft.. the police drivers hand book in the drawer, and Im off to read it just to check but I was never taught any thing of a thirty limit on the motorway.

Originally posted by WallBuilder
I notice you don't disagree about the cloud of billowing smoke though?


it does not smoke either. The engine may have done a high mileage but oil changes every 1000 miles over the last 70 K (and full self service and tune every 3K) keep it sweet as a nut. Modern cars produce more visible pollution than my 1981 Ford!

Originally posted by muddycoffee
It isn't unless you're on the motorway. On there the legal minimum is 30mph, unless there is a hold up.
Originally posted by hj dary
What a load of phooey. In my humble opinion.

You are meant to drive "at a speed which will allow you to stop in the distance you can see to bee clear"

Therefor at night or in bad weather you may not be able to drive at thirty on the motorway.

Have a copy of Roadcraft.. the police drivers hand book in the drawer, and Im off to read it just to check but I was never taught any thing of a thirty limit on the motorway.

Nevermind Roadcraft. If it isn't in the Highway Code then it isn't law. And I can't see anything in the HC that relates to this.

But if there was such a minimum legal limit then common sense would prevail (as it does with the maximum limits) and you would drive to the conditions. The law wouldn't stipulate that you had to drive at 30mph no matter what.

Back on topic for a moment, I wonder if goldenfleece's unfortunate experience is linked in any way to this...
http://www.dvla.gov.uk/evl_notice.htm

System not working as it should?

I hope they get it sorted cos I used it in November and thought it was excellent. Very convenient.

I also like the idea of tax/insurance/MOT evaders being easier to catch (WHEN the system works :roll: )

Originally posted by goldenfleece
oil changes every 1000 miles over the last 70 K (and full self service and tune every 3K)... ...Modern cars produce more visible pollution than my 1981 Ford!
How much oil is an average "oil change", 4 litres?

Modern cars require them (roughly) every 12000 miles, you are doing them every 1000 miles.

So, over the last 70K, you have needlesly produced (at least) 257 litres of waste oil.

I'd say that was "visible pollution" if ever I'd heard of it.

But, hey, you carry on if you wish.

So, over the last 70K, you have needlesly produced (at least) 257 litres of waste oil.
I'd say that was "visible pollution" if ever I'd heard of it.

But, hey, you carry on if you wish. [/B]

4 1/2 litres in mine. And all oil is recycled not dumped. I do not believe in any other form of oil disposal. I always take great care to make sure used engine oil goes to appropriate places. There are an awful lot of ways to recycle it these days

Originally posted by goldenfleece
4 1/2 litres in mine. And all oil is recycled not dumped.
Dumped or recycled, you still produced 289 litres more waste oil than with a new car.

Originally posted by Ginner
Back on topic for a moment, I wonder if goldenfleece's unfortunate experience is linked in any way to this...
http://www.dvla.gov.uk/evl_notice.htm



To be honest I thought it was more likely to do with him having paid on the 1st of March and not the 28th of February when the tax was actually due. The point where the dvla database counts a car's road tax as being due is the date of expiry not the day after.

If the renewal hasn't been paid on the date of expiry it is counted as being out of date from the day after - in this instance the 1st of March. So sorry to say this but if he'd paid the day before there would have been less chance of this happening.

Originally posted by foo_fighter
Dumped or recycled, you still produced 289 litres more waste oil than with a new car.

Can I ask if you actually know the reasons for changing oil in a car or are familiar with engines? As you keep stating 'new' car which gives the impression you don't.

As an example :-

My 22 year old, yes 22 year old is reccomended at 12,000miles oil change, where as my newish car is 6000 miles reccomended oil change.

1000 miles a oil change is probably a bit OTT however.

New police response car HERE (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v689/viking99/forums/smartpolicecar.jpg)

Originally posted by Skatiechik
Can I ask if you actually know the reasons for changing oil in a car or are familiar with engines? As you keep stating 'new' car which gives the impression you don't.

As an example :-

My 22 year old, yes 22 year old is reccomended at 12,000miles oil change, where as my newish car is 6000 miles reccomended oil change.

1000 miles a oil change is probably a bit OTT however.
The point was that every 1000 is OTT.

Most newer cars have greater service intervals than most older cars, congratulations on being the exception that proves the rule.

As an engine wears, the tolerances loosen, and the oil degrades faster, so the notional interval will decrease (especially over 22 years, if average mileage is done, obviously if the car isn’t used strike the above, but the oil will have degraded over this time interval anyway).

If the oil degrades, even more damage will be done to the engine, it's a vicious circle.

Looser tolerances equal even more pollution, both in wasted oil, and in increased fuel consumption.

Now, why did you ask again?

Originally posted by viking
New police response car HERE (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v689/viking99/forums/smartpolicecar.jpg)

:hihi:

Originally posted by viking
New police response car HERE (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v689/viking99/forums/smartpolicecar.jpg)

Imagine that as a traffic response car on the motorway :D My car used to look this Maestro Police Car (http://www.pvec.co.uk/images/Gallery/BoB/scan0109.jpg) Only known surviving one to be left in the country

Originally posted by foo_fighter
Most newer cars have greater service intervals than most older cars, congratulations on being the exception that proves the rule.


I don't believe that is the case, which is why I questioned it. But I agree with you every 1000 miles is a bit OTT especially if the car is being used every day.

Originally posted by Skatiechik
I don't believe that is the case, which is why I questioned it. But I agree with you every 1000 miles is a bit OTT especially if the is being used every day.
From my experience it is the case, but anyway, we agree on the crux of the matter, no engine should need oil changes every 1000 miles, if it does, it's sh*gged.

:thumbsup:

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Originally posted by Gazza
Who’s bleating???? (Apart from you sorry)

I bet you fall into 1 of the 2 following categories

1) the person that slows me down on the way to work by driving at 29 mph
2) you have never driven a motor vehicle

I admit it, I am serial speeder, but I do respect the speed limits in built up areas, and would support a 20mph limit in these areas.

But for gods sake 30mph on Penistone Rd for example - never upgraded from when it was a single carriageway.

You, sir, are bleating, about the perceived injustice of speed cameras which catch you when you break the law. Your option 1 is probably correct, although if is safe to do so I will drive at 30mph not 29. Your option 2 is incorrect as I have been driving for a considerable number of years. You don't, however mention an option 3, a person who has watched a 5 year old girl die in the time it takes for an ambulance to arrive at the scene after a car travelling at 40 in a 30 zone has hit her. I look forward to delaying you, if you are obsessed with endangering other road users and pedesrians because you simply cannot or will not drive properly and within the law.

Originally posted by foo_fighter
From my experience it is the case, but anyway, we agree on the crux of the matter, no engine should need oil changes every 1000 miles, if it does, it's sh*gged.

:thumbsup:

Oh its NOT essential but it helps prolong the life of an engine to do very regular oil changes, and filter changes. The dirtier oil gets, the more damage it does to your engine. If you keep the oil sparkling clean all the time, you have a far healthier engine and one which will survive up to 3 times the mileage it was originally specified for. MK I Fiesta (Kent) engines are generally recommended to do around 80K before they start to wear excessively, thats with the standard oil change every 8K. By changing the oil at extreme 1K intervals you actually can get over 320K out of the same engine. Much better than dumping the car and creating more waste...a few litres of disposed of oil is not as great as junking a whole car!!!

And that is not a guess, my last Fiesta was a 1977 S reg and the engine went round the clock twice.....only thing that prevented it clocking 300K was the fact the floor fell out of the car. The engine is in storage and will be stripped and rebuilt and re-used.....not chucked on a scrap heap.

Certain older classic car engines have only survived with a ruthless policy like this. Its my personal choice to do this as I like old cars, and am not interested in any post 1983 car if it was given to me. (with but a few exceptions)

Originally posted by goldenfleece
And that is not a guess, my last Fiesta was a 1977 S reg and the engine went round the clock twice.....only thing that prevented it clocking 300K was the fact the floor fell out of the car.
Well, maybe you should have thrown some of that used engine oil in the footwell, that'd stop it rusting. ;)

But anyway, one a more serious note, isn't that the problem though, car engines rarely wear out these days, it's generally an accumulation of "other" factors.

Originally posted by foo_fighter
Well, maybe you should have thrown some of that used engine oil in the footwell, that'd stop it rusting. ;)

But anyway, one a more serious note, isn't that the problem though, car engines rarely wear out these days, it's generally an accumulation of "other" factors.

You know I really wish I had paid more attention to the floor at the time. The problem there were several layers of waxoyl so it looked fine underneath every time I examined it....and then just all fell out, the waxoyl was just holding up rust and no metal. Thats the trouble with that stuff, it seals in moisture as well as seals it out, and one tiny crack in it can let moisture permeate along the whole floor of the car, unseen from the other side of the waxoyl.

Oh well, enough of that stuff......yes car engines dont usually blow up or die (unless you are a boy racer type), its the body of the car that falls apart first. My current collection of old Fiestas is undergoing the most intense anti-rust programmes I can find, the floors are NOT going to fall out again on me!!!

One of the ways I recycle oil (reasonably clean oil, not too contaminated) if I dont dispose of it correctly at my local garage is to blend it with a 50% mix of diesel.....and actually then PAINT the mixture onto the bottom of the car and all high exposure areas. Diesel has fantastic anti-rust properties, far superior to normal petrol, and mixed with oil it becomes a stable anti-rust coating, the oil taking away the flammable side of the diesel and giving it some adherance properties.The mix does not damage paintwork or any rubber or plastic, but keeps it fantastically clean, protected, and actually dissolves any surface rust as well. Someone should market this little cocktail one day.....

It actually in the last few years has been the best anti-rust coating I have found, and aside from the cost of a few litres of diesel in a can, is easy to apply and 100% effective. Its also easy to just wipe off with a cloth, unlike other rust coatings which are a nightmare to remove.

Originally posted by goldenfleece
the oil taking away the flammable side of the diesel and giving it some adherance properties.The mix does not damage paintwork or any rubber or plastic, but keeps it fantastically clean, protected, and actually dissolves any surface rust as well. Someone should market this little cocktail one day.....

Agree with the thoughts on underseal hiding the rust , however waxoyl when used correctly on rust and dry free metal is good, especially in the doors, etc. Were you talking about waxoyl or the waxoyl brand of underseal? As waxoyl used on the floor isn't suitable due to the fact it isn't chip resistant.

Not sure about the diesel comment, as I could chuck a match at diesel and it wouldn't go boom.

Originally posted by Skatiechik
Agree with the thoughts on underseal hiding the rust , however waxoyl when used correctly on rust and dry free metal is good, especially in the doors, etc. Were you talking about waxoyl or the waxoyl brand of underseal? As waxoyl used on the floor isn't suitable due to the fact it isn't chip resistant.

Not sure about the diesel comment, as I could chuck a match at diesel and it wouldn't go boom.

When I got the car originally it has been waxoyled underneath with the black version, not pure underseal. However it was on several layers thick and a steam clean would not shift it, so I left it on, thinking it was secure and doing its job. Little did I suspect soemone has slapped it on some years earlier when the car was damp!!! Oh well, we all learn.....

No diesel does not explode to a naked flame, but mixing it down with oil gives it a much more clingy base property, and ideal for applying to metal due to the anti-corrosion properties of diesel. Ever seen a rusty Black cab??? A cab driver told me this years ago, they all paint their carriages with diesel and oil....it is 100% effective all the time.