OOh, this is a thorny issue...I and a few friends enjoy fishing on the canal around Darnall and Tinsley. Recently, we have had quite large stones thrown at us, it's always the same scenario, and it saddens me to say it, but it's always Asian youths.
Now i don't consider myself racist but i have been called a white c**t, b*****d etc and last weekend on Shirland lane we had the threat/boast? "come on, i'll shoot you all"
We just want to sit in peace and enjoy a day off work fishing.
Someone could get seriously hurt, people walk dogs and kids cycle on the towpath. Also we're using poles and rods that cost a few quid as well. Does anyone know the right way and who to complain to? The police don't seem to want to know, but if it was white youths stoning asian people i think it would be a different matter.

i completely agree with the sentiments. We have had a similar problem but it was on london/Abbeydale road. you often get a group of Asian youths on there throwing stones/snowballs/insults at passing motorists. We have phoned the police before and told them that if they don't come out to them then sooner or later there going to have some race relations problems there. Today my husband was driving along and a car driving alongside full of Asian youths threw McDonald Cartons out of the car. My husband waited until the drew alongside and then got out, picked the rubbish up and threw it through their car window and got back in his car. He was called a White snow ******* but he wasn't bothered, he just shouted at them that they were just racist and drove off.

Oh, not just us smelly fishermen then?! What makes me mad is when you phone the police, and they say "well, there's not a lot we can do..." GRR!

unfortunatly you have to lie about the situation to get them to act ,these days the police just arnt bothered to help in these matters,
tell them your names khan and they are white kids throwing the bricks at you,
they'l come out for that :-(

JJ..

Just a thought unklebob,
have you tried the stretch of canal behind effingham road ?
I work there and our premises back onto the canal, I go out onto the bankside for lunch, its always peaceful and relaxing,
plus theres some good sized fish out there !!!!!

Jan:)

Originally posted by UnkleBob
OOh, this is a thorny issue...I and a few friends enjoy fishing on the canal around Darnall and Tinsley. Recently, we have had quite large stones thrown at us, it's always the same scenario, and it saddens me to say it, but it's always Asian youths.
Now i don't consider myself racist but i have been called a white c**t, b*****d etc and last weekend on Shirland lane we had the threat/boast? "come on, i'll shoot you all"


That's been happening for years.....my lad had the same problems...gangs of asians acting hard....spoiling his fishing.....don't bother contacting the police....sweet FA gets done about it.

Have you ever thought they may be the Darnall wing of the League Against Cruel Sports? As Darnall has a large caring Asian population you just may be the target of a cadre of local activists.

I have not experienced anything like this myself and I have nothing against any particular race.The law is the law and it should be enforced no matter what race, the police however pussyfoot around ethnic minorities and let them get away with flouting the law. This really annoys me. An example is spital hill pelican crossing zig zag lines what a joke if someone is'nt parked on them it will be a first

Have you ever thought they may be the Darnall wing of the League Against Cruel Sports? As Darnall has a large caring Asian population you just may be the target of a cadre of local activists.

So does it make it right that they try and stop someone going about there lawful business, or is it a case that because they are Asian they can do no wrong.

You really ought to listen to yourself at times Max.

Originally posted by sanman
So does it make it right that they try and stop someone going about there lawful business, or is it a case that because they are Asian they can do no wrong.

You really ought to listen to yourself at times Max.



i thought max was being sarcastic.....

Originally posted by sanman
So does it make it right that they try and stop someone going about there lawful business, or is it a case that because they are Asian they can do no wrong.

You really ought to listen to yourself at times Max.

I don't need to listen to myself, I can read my own posts, thank you very much. This was a tongue in cheek response to an obvious troll. Keep smiling.

good post sanman, it does seem as tho when these youths are turned on the old chesnut " racism and colour" have to be thrown in. im afraid if you had a go at these youths youd be thrown the old racist line. as for darnall it seems a no go area from the bottom of staniforth up to darnall during the dark nights. it resembles the bronx with gangs of youths prowling about, not that there doing anything wrong???.

This was a tongue in cheek response to an obvious troll

Max

I suggest you look at the other postings that UnkleBob has made and then explain how you came to the conclusion that this user is a Troll.

Originally posted by sanman
Max

I suggest you look at the other postings that UnkleBob has made and then explain how you came to the conclusion that this user is a Troll.

Simple, by reading the last line of his original post:

but if it was white youths stoning asian people i think it would be a different matter

How many of the I'm not a racist but ..... postings include musings similar to this?

Originally posted by max
Simple, by reading the last line of his original post:



How many of the I'm not a racist but ..... postings include smusings similar to this? so what actually is your point here.cant you get to the point and say what you mean. theres nothing wrong with that is there??????

but if it was white youths stoning asian people i think it would be a different matter.

Max

Has it ever occured to you that this is how some people genuinely feel, are you suggesting that it is not possible to have a rascist attack when the antagonists are asian or black etc. Just because peoples opinions differ from yours doesn't make them a troll. In UnkleBobs previous postings there has never been any other comment regarding race. I for one think you owe him an apology.

I don't have a problem with the main thrust of the original post but I do feel that the last line was unwarranted.

There are many threads on this forum which start out asking a simple question but have a hidden agenda. I stand by my views, we do live in a democracy and we do have free speech on this forum.

OK folks, this thread started off with a valid question about activity in an area of this city.

It's heading off in to a slanging match and is likely to get in to another debate about racism.

If it becomes a slanging match I'll close it.
If it goes off to racism I'll move it to the politics forum and keep an eye on it there.

Thanks for your cooperation.

Joe

Originally posted by max
Have you ever thought they may be the Darnall wing of the League Against Cruel Sports? As Darnall has a large caring Asian population you just may be the target of a cadre of local activists.

Max If it is the Darnall branch of the League Against Cruel Sports LACS, which I doubt very much. then they are a bunch of racists. I don't think the LACS would let racist into their ogranisation asian or not.

If it is proved that these Asian gangs are members of the LACS…...they should be expelled at once…..they are destroying all that is noble within the organisation.

Personally I'd either lie to the Police and say you were hit with stones.

Or I'd take a catapolt with me and when they start throwing see how many you can hit with steel balls.

Originally posted by stevie1957
Max If it is the Darnall branch of the League Against Cruel Sports LACS, which I doubt very much. then they are a bunch of racists. I don't think the LACS would let racist into their ogranisation asian or not.

If it is proved that these Asian gangs are members of the LACS…...they should be expelled at once…..they are destroying all that is noble within the organisation.

I agree. We don't need violent activists in an organisation devoted to abolishing violence against fellow species.

Originally posted by max
I don't have a problem with the main thrust of the original post but I do feel that the last line was unwarranted.

There are many threads on this forum which start out asking a simple question but have a hidden agenda. I stand by my views, we do live in a democracy and we do have free speech on this forum.
Unklebob has a genuine problem.....he isn't a forum troll,doubt he knows what one is,(no offence bob)i know him quite well,he asked my advice on this posting,as to mention "asian youths" or not.
but the simple fact is it is asian youths causing the problem,they are racially abusing him and his friends,not the other way round!!

I think the race thing is a bit of a red herring. The sad fact is wherever you go you will find gangs of lads engaging in the mindless machismo that gangs of lads are wont to. If you are in an area with a high asian population then you will get asian gangs - thats simple demographics not racism. This doesn't make them any more or less acceptible than gangs of any other hue and they should all be treated in the same way.

chuck one of the little ***** into the canal.......OB will be there in 2 minuets flat.

Originally posted by kirky
OB will be there in 2 minuets flat.
Is that a minuet in B flat ? :heyhey:

Originally posted by Tony
Is that a minuet in B flat ? :heyhey:

well spotted.....edit it before geoff see's it,its more than your jobs worth:)

hello, can i put the record straight here? Thanks, Max for calling me a troll, i thought long and hard about putting the posting on, i expected to be labelled a racist, but i'm stunned to have it implied by one of the site moderators!

what would you do if it were white youths throwing stones?

ALSO, what i'd like to know is who do i complain to to be taken seriously?

Originally posted by UnkleBob
hello, can i put the record straight here? Thanks, Max for calling me a troll, i thought long and hard about putting the posting on, i expected to be labelled a racist, but i'm stunned to have it implied by one of the site moderators!

I didn't have my mod hat on when I made my comments. If I had had, I would have prefaced my comments with MOD:

I still say there were was no need to finish your statement with but if it was white youths stoning asian people i think it would be a different matter

That, to my mind, made the posting into one usually associated with racist trolls.

I apologise if that was not your intention but it is the usual way that our site trolls initiate anti-asian threads.

ahh, well it's ok then. Close this issue, i'll take it up with the papers.

Can't believe how this thread has degenerated into a rascist witch hunt,unklebob posted asking for advice as how to tackle a problem,a genuine and serious problem.He started the thread by saying it was a thorny issue,why do you think this is?Because of the "pc" issue thats why!
The posting isn't about black,white,asian chinese or whatever,it's about a group of "youths ".
putting people lifes at risk,and how best to deal with it.
I think the latter part of the statement (if it was white youths) was intended to point out that the authorities are scared to be deemed racist for not meeting the needs of "ethnic minorities"
We are all equal,black,white or whatever,we are all people at the end of the day.
This is political correctness gone mad.

political correctness gone mad! i hate that phrase, but it does seem to fit.
Someone asked what i'd do if it was white youths throwing stones (small bricks actually, the purple ones on the tram tracks) Well, to be honest it hasn't happened to me and you can't do much can you? i have maybe two thousand pounds worth of gear at any given time and i can't leave that to get nicked while i go running after a yob. Plus i'm not that fit(!) and in winter i have my big heavy booits on and am about as fast as a well built bloke with big boots on!

Originally posted by UnkleBob
political correctness gone mad! i hate that phrase, but it does seem to fit.
Someone asked what i'd do if it was white youths throwing stones (small bricks actually, the purple ones on the tram tracks) Well, to be honest it hasn't happened to me and you can't do much can you? i have maybe two thousand pounds worth of gear at any given time and i can't leave that to get nicked while i go running after a yob. Plus i'm not that fit(!) and in winter i have my big heavy booits on and am about as fast as a well built bloke with big boots on!

bob mi old china don't be disheartened...99% per cent of the forum know where your commin from....some people hear/see the word asian and automatically think "rascist"..its a fact that most of the youths living in the area you mention are asian so its unlikely your gonna get gangs of white youths around there...

Originally posted by kirky
bob mi old china don't be disheartened...99% per cent of the forum know where your commin from....some people hear/see the word asian and automatically think "rascist"..its a fact that most of the youths living in the area you mention are asian so its unlikely your gonna get gangs of white youths around there...

My point exactly kirky, I'm glad we agree. So you see, unklebob, there really was no need to add the rider about whether or not the police would have responded if it had been white youths.

the answer to Bob's question is - had it been white youths they wouldn't have responded either. The Police have given up on trying to deal with this sort of crime - as its almost impossible to get a conviction or even get it to court as they invariably get enough witnesses to say they are innocent...race or not...

Originally posted by max
My point exactly kirky, I'm glad we agree. So you see, unklebob, there really was no need to add the rider about whether or not the police would have responded if it had been white youths.

steady on max..flippin heck not very often i get a mod agreeing with me:o :o .......but its right if bob went fishing in weston park it would be white youths chuckin the stones..youths are youths where ever you live.......

hi, well i live at darnall we are not all stone throwing asians you know, anyway my dad encounted school kids throwing stuff at passing cars last week on staniforth road, i agree i have not walked down staniforth road for years and do not plan to, i do live nearby but not witnessed any trouble myself, however on my street it a bloody hellhole at night by a gang of white kids and the local drunks like to **** on my wall on the way home form the pub and wipe their takeaways on my window, (wish they would just leave their spare chips for me to eat on the window ledge, hahaha, yum yum)

Originally posted by kirky
steady on max..flippin heck not very often i get a mod agreeing with me:o :o .......but its right if bob went fishing in weston park it would be white youths chuckin the stones..youths are youths where ever you live.......

having said that the asian youths/parents are very good at playing the race card when they get caught

Originally posted by kirky
steady on max..flippin heck not very often i get a mod agreeing with me:o :o .......but its right if bob went fishing in weston park it would be white youths chuckin the stones..youths are youths where ever you live.......

Friends again then? ;)

Originally posted by max
Friends again then? ;)

didn't realise we'd fell out:D

A lot of people believe that since the fall out from the Stephen Lawrence Enquiry that the police are extremely careful when dealing with people from ethnic minorities and so may not enforce the law as rigorously in certain cases. I think Bob is alluding to this fact in the last part of his post and therefore has every right to put that comment in.

Quite often I see on here posts where Mods are taken to task over a comment they have made. Like Max they often use the excuse that they didn't have their Mod hat on, to me this is a bit like a Police Officer running drugs and prostitutes thinking that it is acceptable when not on duty.

I expect a level of conduct from the Mods, unfortunately I feel at times that this is lacking. A prime example of this is Max accusing someone of being a Troll, when if he had spent 30 seconds looking at UnkleBobs previous posts he could see that this was not the case.

We will undoubtedly now hear cries of Free Speech and I'm enitled to an opinion. I agree with this but would say so are the people who do not neccessarily share you views.

Originally posted by sanman
A lot of people believe that since the fall out from the Stephen Lawrence Enquiry that the police are extremely careful when dealing with people from ethnic minorities and so may not enforce the law as rigorously in certain cases. I think Bob is alluding to this fact in the last part of his post and therefore has every right to put that comment in.

Quite often I see on here posts where Mods are taken to task over a comment they have made. Like Max they often use the excuse that they didn't have their Mod hat on, to me this is a bit like a Police Officer running drugs and prostitutes thinking that it is acceptable when not on duty.

I expect a level of conduct from the Mods, unfortunately I feel at times that this is lacking. A prime example of this is Max accusing someone of being a Troll, when if he had spent 30 seconds looking at UnkleBobs previous posts he could see that this was not the case.

We will undoubtedly now hear cries of Free Speech and I'm enitled to an opinion. I agree with this but would say so are the people who do not neccessarily share you views.

How am I meant to express my views then? I would like to know because in your rather sententious post you've really closed the door on my having a say, haven't you? In your own words, I too, should be entitled to a view despite not neccessarily sharing your view.

Originally posted by jules99
hi, well i live at darnall we are not all stone throwing asians you know, anyway my dad encounted school kids throwing stuff at passing cars last week on staniforth road, i agree i have not walked down staniforth road for years and do not plan to, i do live nearby but not witnessed any trouble myself, however on my street it a bloody hellhole at night by a gang of white kids and the local drunks like to **** on my wall on the way home form the pub and wipe their takeaways on my window, (wish they would just leave their spare chips for me to eat on the window ledge, hahaha, yum yum)

Hi. i know not all asian people behave like this, most of them walk past without a second glance, some ask if we've caught anything, some even stop to watch for a while, maybe in bewilderment i dunno. The thing is, you don't really notice people until they do something to upset you, or interact with you in some other way. Wether it's a good thing or a bad thing, the most regular contact i have with asian people is in shops, take-aways etc, but you do tend to notice having missiles hurled at you.
sorry to hear about the drunks whizzing on your wall, that's unacceptable. And I'd steer clear of cold chips! thanks for your opinion on this Jules!

I tend to agree with you UnkleBob, you do only notice things when they are a problem / different / etc.

I also think it's fair to agree with one of the earlier posters who said that the area has a large Asian population and that kids misbehave everywhere.

Put the two together and you have a valid observation - it's a shame that some people want to take it out of context for thier own (maybe dubious) reasons.
:shakes:

thanx for reply unclebob, not disagreeing about your post, as i did mention what my dad witnessed with the asian lads, ive lived here forever and know what its like, it has got a reputation but its safer than some other areas, i just like to mention its not all bad and there are nice white and asian people here too , hope u dont have any further hassle, at least try and report the little ********, whats wrong with cold chips ( i could stick them in the microwave) p.s im waiting for tonites leftovers already) jules x

you've really closed the door on my having a say


Not at all, on many occasions I do not agree with your posts but have not said so, however I do take issue when you start accusing people of things. As a Mod I expect your behaviour to be better than the average User, when you've made a mistake Max at least have the courtesy to apologise.

Bob

I for one think you have a valid point. Say you were Asian and it was white kids throwing stones, I for one believe your complaint would be dealt with speedier.

This is the fault of the police who are obviously scared of Central Office and any rollocking they may get should any minorities start screaming racism.

Max, I dont think you can deny it doesnt happen to a certain degree. And I also think you read way way too much into Bobs post, but that is simply my opinion.

End of the day Bob, as one poster already mentioned, fill your catapult up with broken glass and give as good as you get, whatever their colour.

hallo everyone! i'm quite a peaceful, laid back sort of bloke, i won't catapult them or anyone with ball bearings or anything like that. It's just not civilised is it? I felt really bad when it looked like people thought i was racist (yawn...) Seriously i would love the chance to find out why they do it, and point out how dangerous it is. Just for the record, fishing IS legal in the UK, throwing missiles??well i think not!

i have been called a white c**t, b*****d etc and last weekend on Shirland lane we had the threat/boast? "come on, i'll shoot you all" from the original posting has been very conveniently overlooked. This was a racist attack.
How am I meant to express my views then? I would like to know because in your rather sententious post you've really closed the door on my having a say, haven't you? In your own words, I too, should be entitled to a view despite not neccessarily sharing your view.
Max i've had the same isuues before & agree with Sanman when he says: Quite often I see on here posts where Mods are taken to task over a comment they have made. Like Max they often use the excuse that they didn't have their Mod hat on, to me this is a bit like a Police Officer running drugs and prostitutes thinking that it is acceptable when not on duty.
In the past i have recommended that Mods have a separate different sign in name without the word moderator under it enabling them to have their rightfull say without the flak they often receive for it.

I thought it was a good suggestion mesen :thumbsup:

Sanman,

Your statement -

"Not at all, on many occasions I do not agree with your posts but have not said so, however I do take issue when you start accusing people of things. As a Mod I expect your behaviour to be better than the average User, when you've made a mistake Max at least have the courtesy to apologise."


Gotta say I'm 100% in agreement with you on this.

You've more chance of plaiting sand than getting a mod on here to apologise - they are the law and if they disagree with anything posted they have the right to delete it, hide it or just ridicule it. If a mere member suggests anything against a mod - they go into pack mentality....

You cannot win :)

Originally posted by max
Have you ever thought they may be the Darnall wing of the League Against Cruel Sports? As Darnall has a large caring Asian population you just may be the target of a cadre of local activists.

If they really are members of the LACS then I would suggest they stop chucking stones, and get some remote-controlled boats like the ones we have sometimes played with in the lake at Crookes Valley Park to keep the fish company. ;)

Originally posted by sanman
Not at all, on many occasions I do not agree with your posts but have not said so, however I do take issue when you start accusing people of things. As a Mod I expect your behaviour to be better than the average User, when you've made a mistake Max at least have the courtesy to apologise.

I''m sorry that you don't read my posts properly as I have already apologised:

That, to my mind, made the posting into one usually associated with racist trolls.

I apologise if that was not your intention but it is the usual way that our site trolls initiate anti-asian threads.


What more do you want from me?

Better behaviour in future would be good, maybe a little research before the accusation may have stopped this from happening.

As I said above, keep on subject.

If you guys want to duke it out about Mod's postings, take it to another thread or go to PM.

I bet if you called one of them a p*** b****** then the OB will be around in a shot, along with the Commission for Racial Equality, Liberty, Searchlight, Socialist Alliance, undercover BBC reporters, leftie students, Anti Nazi League, human rights lawyers, Muslim Council for Britain, Al Mujaradhoun and all the other bleeding heart leftie minority suck arses.

There are many areas of Britain that are no go areas for white people now. There's not a thing anyone can do because they have the law on their side. If it was the other way around then oh my god imagine the uproar. But no, just because they're minorities then we all have to put up with it or get arrested under the anti racist legislation.

The country is a racial powderkeg, something big is going to happen soon I think. It can all be averted if the minorities are bound by the same values that white people are. Otherwise, well who can say what will happen.

OK. I asked a few postings back to keep to the subject and lay off the racism debate. If you want to raise that go in to the Pre-Election Politics Forum.

Clearly it's too hard for that simple message to get through.

Thread closed.

Joe