Anyone else had this? I had a parking ticket which I have disputed due to having a valid pay & display.. It clearly states that I have 14 days in which to dispute although I have received a letter back from the council stating they have 8 weeks backlog...

How many tickets are the council issuing in which people are disputing?

Is there a traffic warden out there getting ticket happy?

Is there a traffic warden out there getting ticket happy?


All of 'em

This happened to us in Devon a few years ago.

Damned incompetent buffoons from the blind ticket monkey to the university educated pen pushing pillock in charge!

Ruined our holiday trying to sort it out before we came home.

I will only go back to Devon now if South Yorkshire declares war on the bumpkins - then I'll lead from the front!

:mad:

I had something like happen to me last year had parked on Hyde park flats, long road running down front. Went to markets was back in half hour, drove home....decided I'd forgot something and had to go back. Fate had it that I parked in exact same place.
Got ticket saying I'd been there more than two hours.
Disputed it, told em to take a look on CCTV, as know there's one on the delta ( were tram runs at bottom) and my car should be clearly seen to leave then come back.

Well it took em six weeks to get back but they dropped the fine...Yipeee, me 1...Traffic warden 0 a cool victory.

Anyone else had this? I had a parking ticket which I have disputed due to having a valid pay & display.. It clearly states that I have 14 days in which to dispute although I have received a letter back from the council stating they have 8 weeks backlog...

How many tickets are the council issuing in which people are disputing?

Is there a traffic warden out there getting ticket happy?

Contact The Star.

This happened to us in Devon a few years ago.

Damned incompetent buffoons from the blind ticket monkey to the university educated pen pushing pillock in charge!

Ruined our holiday trying to sort it out before we came home.

I will only go back to Devon now if South Yorkshire declares war on the bumpkins - then I'll lead from the front!

:mad:

Do you have a problem with those who have a university education? :huh:

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Well it took em six weeks to get back but they dropped the fine...Yipeee, me 1...Traffic warden 0 a cool victory.

Nice one but was there a specific time allowed before you could return?

oops double post :blush:

Do you have a problem with those who have a university education? :huh:

Only the one's I've met that are inept ;)

Can i just say its Parking Wardens and not Traffic Wardens we lost SYP Traffic Wardens a couple of years ago

Can i just say its Parking Wardens and not Traffic Wardens we lost SYP Traffic Wardens a couple of years ago

And how we miss them. Although they probably had performance figures then, they did have an element of discretion. Todays Parking Wardens are, IMHO, just out there to rake in as much dosh for the council as possible. An 8 week backlog in complaints is outrageous and just goes to show how the system has failed. I am led to believe that a significant majority of contested tickets are quashed. The investigation of contested tickets is now probably costing more money than the tickets actually generate (for now)

Anyone else had this? I had a parking ticket which I have disputed due to having a valid pay & display.. It clearly states that I have 14 days in which to dispute although I have received a letter back from the council stating they have 8 weeks backlog...

How many tickets are the council issuing in which people are disputing?

Is there a traffic warden out there getting ticket happy?


yes i got the same letter, but got a final answer within 2 weeks

I disputed I ticket I got in October due to me having a clearly displayed valid ticket and they wrote back in January saying there was a backlog.

Haven't heard anything since.

Anyone else had this? I had a parking ticket which I have disputed due to having a valid pay & display.. It clearly states that I have 14 days in which to dispute although I have received a letter back from the council stating they have 8 weeks backlog...

How many tickets are the council issuing in which people are disputing?

Is there a traffic warden out there getting ticket happy?

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surely, it's 14 day's to get the dispute into them....not your prob they have a backlog!
Make a note of date you posted it, then ring them to make sure they recieved it?

http://www.parking-appeals.gov.uk/about/theNPAS.asp

Got mine sorted.

Does it really matter that it takes so long if you haven't paid them anything? The longer it takes the better as you can try use that as another reason to not pay and I have also found that when things take a long time they often get forgotten completely because the authorites are overwhelmed. If everyone complained about every ticket it would grind to a halt and the worst that can happen would be that the ticket penalty would be upheld and you would pay the original fine which you have had weeks to save up for and so it would be barely noticeable. I had a speeding ticket once which took over 6 months to get a summons out and was therefore declared void.

If everyone complained about every ticket it would grind to a haltI think they are and it has....

I think they are and it has....Yes it's looking a bit that way but it would be good if people made it even worse.

Can i just say its Parking Wardens and not Traffic Wardens we lost SYP Traffic Wardens a couple of years ago

No you can't, -'cos their proper title is parking attendants :D

surely, it's 14 day's to get the dispute into them....not your prob they have a backlog!
Make a note of date you posted it, then ring them to make sure they recieved it?

That's the danger. Rather than forget about it they'll say they never had your appeal and double the fine by default, if you don't pay then it's a court job.

Ok ok but they are not Traffic Wardens and no SYP Traffic wardens did not have targets to hit. They just had to keep traffic moving and the public safe.

It makes me smile they use to be the most hated people on the streets in Sheffield.

Now i think most people would like them back, or am i wrong i am sure you will all let me know ??

Ok ok but they are not Traffic Wardens and no SYP Traffic wardens did not have targets to hit. They just had to keep traffic moving and the public safe.

It makes me smile they use to be the most hated people on the streets in Sheffield.

Now i think most people would like them back, or am i wrong i am sure you will all let me know ??Lesser of 2 evils it seems.

I think that the Parking Wardens, Attendants, Civil Enforcement Officers or whatever they are called should get on with keeping the roads and bus stops clear for all our benefit. Stop driving around two in a car and get on the streets issuing tickets. Especially to the regular offenders.

The new rules seem fairer - park where you know you shouldn't and you pay more than if you overstay where you are allowed to park.

well the god dam looneys sent me a bill for £60 saying i had not paid my ticket in time i never had a f****ng ticket i wrote back telling them i wanted to see evidence of this ticket on my car as i never got one and there big and yellow and hardly missable cause i got one a week later but did pay it i admit i was parked there and i didnt obviously read notice properly anyway has this happened to anyone else if so what was the outcome

well the god dam looneys sent me a bill for £60 saying i had not paid my ticket in time i never had a f****ng ticket i wrote back telling them i wanted to see evidence of this ticket on my car as i never got one and there big and yellow and hardly missable cause i got one a week later but did pay it i admit i was parked there and i didnt obviously read notice properly anyway has this happened to anyone else if so what was the outcome

This sort of happened to me. I was moving into some flats which had a residents car park. The car taker gave me a day passes to use which I had on display. I didn't use the car park after I had unpacked as the road was nearer to the entrance to my flat than the car park was.(I NEVER got a parking fine on my car!!!) I moved out within a week as I couldn't come to an agreement with the flats landlord, About 6 months later I received a letter stating I hadn't paid my parking fine. I e-mailed, called and posted letters to the parking services and never got a response. I finally got a letter from a debt collection agency telling me I had failed to pay the fine and had incurred extra charges. I called hte agency telling them to send it back to the parking services and that I would defend the ticket in court. I haven't heard anything since. Although if it took them 6 months to chase a ticket in the first place then I will probably hear back in another 6 months.

Ignore them, they very rarely take anyone to court, they just threaten and intimidate people into paying.

I got a ticket on my street, whilst displaying a valid permit because i had parked 12 inches on a yellow line so I could get a washing machine out of my car.

I too have had a letter saying there is an 8 week backlog.

I suggest that anyone who has received a ticket contest it, even if you know you were in the wrong lets see how much of a backlog we can create.

Parking attendants work on a bonus scheme, the more of us they collar the better they get paid, another demonstration of a bent system being twisted even more to screw us out of our hard earned

Ok ok but they are not Traffic Wardens and no SYP Traffic wardens did not have targets to hit. They just had to keep traffic moving and the public safe.

It makes me smile they use to be the most hated people on the streets in Sheffield.

Now i think most people would like them back, or am i wrong i am sure you will all let me know ??

The Parking Attendants do NOT have targets. They issue to vehicles which are parked in contravention of the regulations. Simple really - park legally and you won't get a ticket.

With regard to the backlog of mail - if your letter of appeal has been received within 14 days of the ticket, and they reject it - you will have the chance to pay the lower amount (£30) within 14 days of their reply.

I got a ticket on my street, whilst displaying a valid permit because i had parked 12 inches on a yellow line so I could get a washing machine out of my car.


Parking attendants work on a bonus scheme, the more of us they collar the better they get paid, another demonstration of a bent system being twisted even more to screw us out of our hard earned

Parking Attendants are NOT on any sort of bonus or incentive scheme. They get paid the same amount however many tickets they issue.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4596907.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4596907.stm

The above news item relates to a London Borough which employs a private company (APCOA) to carry out the Operational Enforcement of parking restrictions. In Sheffield the Council employs the Parking Attendants directly and there are NO TARGETS AND NO BONUSES for the number of Penalty Charge Notices issued.

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks."

well if you are going to keep banging on about it what do you expect if there was silence you'd see that as incriminating no doubt

i once got a parking ticket whilst parked up on double yellow lines at the back of fitzalan square, i sent a letter in stated that i had a valid disabled badge displaying and the reason why i got the ticket was because i had put the card in the wrong way round and it was displaying the photo and not the serial number and the date of expire

in the letter i explain i was in a rush as my daughter was having a hypo so i just chucked the badge in the window as my daughters life was more important then making sure that i had displayed the badge properly.

got the ticket squashed in the end

my car was ticketed after my mate stupidly parked it outside her house forgetting about the new parking restrictions in sharrow.

i wrote to them contesting it back in november, they wrote saying they was a backlog and it may be up to 8 weeks for them to reply.

got a letter this morning, some 4 months later, saying i had to pay it, £30 if i pay within 14 days or £60 if it takes longer ...

i still have their original letter ... do i have to pay this as it is well over the 8 weeks they said it would take to respond?

my car was ticketed after my mate stupidly parked it outside her house forgetting about the new parking restrictions in sharrow.

i wrote to them contesting it back in november, they wrote saying they was a backlog and it may be up to 8 weeks for them to reply.

got a letter this morning, some 4 months later, saying i had to pay it, £30 if i pay within 14 days or £60 if it takes longer ...

i still have their original letter ... do i have to pay this as it is well over the 8 weeks they said it would take to respond?You should dispute it again on those grounds but I think you will be lucky if you win. Worth a try though because if it's still in dispute it will still be £30 and more of this increases their backlog. Make sure you send by registered post.

And how we miss them. Although they probably had performance figures then, they did have an element of discretion. Todays Parking Wardens are, IMHO, just out there to rake in as much dosh for the council as possible.

As far as I'm aware it's been outsourced to NCP (at least the 'officers' have an NCP badge on), so no surprise they're quick to ticket.

Looks like the entire decriminalised parking scheme is in total disarray in most counties.

Have a look at http://neilherron.blogspot.com/

Enforcing laws and penalties for anything should never be decriminalised or privatised, it is bound to lead to over zealous enforcement for profit.

I received a parking ticket last week in Rotherham, i wrote them a letter explaining that i was helping my friend up some stairs because they had a stroke about 2 months ago and he is still not fully fit. I have received a letter this morning saying that because the parking attendant had waited 6 minutes the fine will stand???? I didn`t know there was a time limit on helping people these days!!! maybe i should have just left him?

As far as I'm aware it's been outsourced to NCP (at least the 'officers' have an NCP badge on), so no surprise they're quick to ticket.

Looks like the entire decriminalised parking scheme is in total disarray in most counties.

Have a look at http://neilherron.blogspot.com/

As I stated previously, the Parking Attendants in Sheffield are directly employed by the Council, they do NOT have targets and they are NOT on a bonus scheme. They are paid a flat rate wage.

They are paid to enforce the restrictions which are in force and which are clearly signed and lined as required.

As I stated previously, the Parking Attendants in Sheffield are directly employed by the Council, they do NOT have targets and they are NOT on a bonus scheme. They are paid a flat rate wage.

Oh I see, I must have missed your post. Can you explain the NCP badge all the officers carry on their uniform?

They are paid to enforce the restrictions which are in force and which are clearly signed and lined as required.

Actually I've found a few places that are not marked as required by the TRO, but I'll be keeping these to myself ;)

Oh I see, I must have missed your post. Can you explain the NCP badge all the officers carry on their uniform?

They absolutely do NOT have an NCP Badge on their uniform. You may have seen NCP car park staff in their uniform, - they only work for NCP on their car parks.

If you look at a Parking Attendant's uniform it has Sheffield City Council on it along with a 3 digit number on the epaulettes.

They absolutely do NOT have an NCP Badge on their uniform. You may have seen NCP car park staff in their uniform, - they only work for NCP on their car parks.

If you look at a Parking Attendant's uniform it has Sheffield City Council on it along with a 3 digit number on the epaulettes.

Oh I see. Must be my mistake. Thanks for the heads up.

They are paid to enforce the restrictions which are in force and which are clearly signed and lined as required.

Which doesn't appear to be the case:-

http://neilherron.blogspot.com/

Has a nice piece explaining how he was unable to get a ticket in Sheffield.

I can't imagine any reason why Mr.Herron wouldn't be ticketed unless the the traffic orders really aren't in order.

Looks like the same for Rotherham, what a disgusting state of affairs.

Which doesn't appear to be the case:-

http://neilherron.blogspot.com/

Has a nice piece explaining how he was unable to get a ticket in Sheffield.

I can't imagine any reason why Mr.Herron wouldn't be ticketed unless the the traffic orders really aren't in order.

Looks like the same for Rotherham, what a disgusting state of affairs.

I can see the story about not being able to get a ticket in Rotherham from the link, can't see anything on Sheffield????

I can see the story about not being able to get a ticket in Rotherham from the link, can't see anything on Sheffield????

1st paragraph:-

"After failing to get a Penalty Charge Notice in Sheffield we went up the road to Rotherham."

He usually only mentions it when it's a refusal to issue, but I realise now it doesn't say that.. he may not have seen a warden.

I'll ask him to clarify.

I bumped into this character in Leeds. I was sitting in the car waiting for OH and he was in a space a few yards up the road with 2 parking people over the road who he was chatting to. He came to me and told me he was moving and I should take his space because they couldn't issue a ticket. He then gave me a long and entertaining lecture on what he was doing. As soon as he had gone the attendants came over and said I wouldn't get a ticket where I was nor would I in his space. He's obsessed.

I bumped into this character in Leeds. I was sitting in the car waiting for OH and he was in a space a few yards up the road with 2 parking people over the road who he was chatting to. He came to me and told me he was moving and I should take his space because they couldn't issue a ticket. He then gave me a long and entertaining lecture on what he was doing. As soon as he had gone the attendants came over and said I wouldn't get a ticket where I was nor would I in his space.

But only because he'd just informed them it would be a criminal act for them to issue. You can bet your life they'd have issued if he'd not been there and told you they had no right to issue.

He's obsessed.

About getting the councils to act according to the law.... something we should all be obsessed about ;)

About getting the councils to act according to the law.... something we should all be obsessed about ;)I'll argue with best of them over parking as you will see earlier in thread but to spend your life trying to break the law and get off on technicalities is a bit daft. All the authorities end up doing is tightening the rules like they have with speeding.

Here's an amusing series of pics about parking I've just seen.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b262/mel285p/clio2.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b262/mel285p/clamp3.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b262/mel285p/clamp1.jpg

I'll argue with best of them over parking as you will see earlier in thread but to spend your life trying to break the law and get off on technicalities is a bit daft.

Oh indeed, but in Mr Herron's case he's set up a company and is making a profit from doing so.

It's also worth pointing out that they are not breaking the law, since the traffic orders in the cases Mr.Herron highlights don't have the correct legal paperwork, the parking restrictions are not valid.

No law has been broken. If it had then the ticket would be issued. Ofcourse Mr.Herron isn't stupid enough to park in areas he knows have the correct orders.

All the authorities end up doing is tightening the rules like they have with speeding.

You wouldn't be able to get off the ticket if the traffic orders were correctly marked and legal, so a tightening of the rules would seem to be exactly what is needed. The current rules with regard to speeding couldn't be in more disarray.

I personally have no problem with parking or tickets aslong as the alledged contravention actually exists in law, in many of the cases highlighted this simply isn't the case. In those cases it is an offence to issue a ticket.

It's telling that the council will issue tickets regardless, knowlingly comitting an offense. They're effectively breaking the law in the same way!

Here's an amusing series of pics about parking I've just seen.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b262/mel285p/clio2.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b262/mel285p/clamp3.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b262/mel285p/clamp1.jpg

Hehe, well funny! One things' for certain the clamp was never removed from the wheel. No doubt a legal grey area ;)

Mr Herron is NOT as clever as he thinks. The Penalty Charge Amount does not have to be shown on the Pay & Display machine. I'm not even sure that the hours of Pay & Display have to be shown on the signs, if the area is within a Controlled Parking Zone, as the zone entry signs would show the hours of restrictions.

Most of his ridicule of councils relates to lines being painted incorrectly. The fact that he didn't manage to get a PCN in Sheffield probably just means he didn't come across a Parking Attendant. Bearing in mind the miles of parking restrictions it's quite likely that he would have found a place where they weren't absoloutely 100% correct, but if he didn't get a ticket he has no cause for complaint. Much of what he says is an exaggeration of the truth.

On Radio Sheffield on Monday he said that Councils were issuing incorrect PCNs and using it as an income generating exercise to plug black holes in their budgets. In fact Councils are limited as to how they can use any surplus from parking enforcement. Only transport related expenditure can be funded from this surplus. That hardly gives them enough flexibility to fill black holes in budgets.

And finally as I keep saying ALL parking tickets are avoidable - just look for the signs and lines - make sure you understand what they mean (Highway Code) and comply with them. Then obsessive people like Neil Herron won't be able to keep banging on and on and on.......

Mr Herron is NOT as clever as he thinks.

Perhaps but he's clearly alot cleverer than the councils he's exposed.

The Penalty Charge Amount does not have to be shown on the Pay & Display machine. I'm not even sure that the hours of Pay & Display have to be shown on the signs, if the area is within a Controlled Parking Zone, as the zone entry signs would show the hours of restrictions.

Clearly not the case in Rotherham.

Most of his ridicule of councils relates to lines being painted incorrectly. The fact that he didn't manage to get a PCN in Sheffield probably just means he didn't come across a Parking Attendant.

Perhaps.


Bearing in mind the miles of parking restrictions it's quite likely that he would have found a place where they weren't absoloutely 100% correct, but if he didn't get a ticket he has no cause for complaint.

Seems to contradict your previous statement on the signage, no matter.
He does have cause for complaint if tickets are issued that bear no legal weight, as do we all.

Much of what he says is an exaggeration of the truth.

So his statements are true, just embelished? Can you provide an example?


On Radio Sheffield on Monday he said that Councils were issuing incorrect PCNs and using it as an income generating exercise to plug black holes in their budgets.
In fact Councils are limited as to how they can use any surplus from parking enforcement. Only transport related expenditure can be funded from this surplus. That hardly gives them enough flexibility to fill black holes in budgets.

They're also limited to only issuing tickets in areas that have the correct traffic orders, but that doesn't appear ot be happening. What faith can we have that the rules regarding enforcement monies are also being followed?

And finally as I keep saying ALL parking tickets are avoidable - just look for the signs and lines - make sure you understand what they mean (Highway Code) and comply with them.

Indeed, never had one.

Then obsessive people like Neil Herron won't be able to keep banging on and on and on.......

If he was just obsessive then clearly he would be being issued with fines and would have to pay them. Since that isn't the case he clearly has a point. If the orders were in order he'd have nothing to do!

I might argue as I have done on occasions here that there shouldn't be parking restrictions somewhere and if I got a ticket I might try wangle my way out of it but once a restriction is there, the fact is that you can't park there without a ticket, like it or not. For someone to be going round purely getting people off on technicalities when they were doing something knowing it to be illegal is ridiculous, he should put his energies into getting the authorities to change some of the rules and stop making so many restrictions on us. What exactly will he achieve long term here other to draw councils attention to the loopholes so that they spend more of our money changing signs when we know what it means anyway.

I might argue as I have done on occasions here that there shouldn't be parking restrictions somewhere and if I got a ticket I might try wangle my way out of it but once a restriction is there

The point being that under the law, the restriction IS NOT there.

the fact is that you can't park there without a ticket,like it or not.

Untrue.

For someone to be going round purely getting people off on technicalities when they were doing something knowing it to be illegal is ridiculous, he should put his energies into getting the authorities to change some of the rules and stop making so many restrictions on us.

All very laudable but you've missed the point in that it IS NOT ILLEGAL to park somewhere that does not have the appropriate traffic order.

What exactly will he achieve long term here other to draw councils attention to the loopholes so that they spend more of our money changing signs when we know what it means anyway.

Again, they're *NOT* loopholes! If someone accuses you of a crime that you haven't done or one that doesn't exist, is it a loophole that you're cleared because you're innocent?

If all he achieves is to get the council to actually abide by the legal requirements under the law then he's done us all a very valuable service. I fail to see how you can argue otherwise.

If all he achieves is to get the council to actually abide by the legal requirements under the law then he's done us all a very valuable service. I fail to see how you can argue otherwise.All he is doing is arguing over technicalities and I don't see the point of that. What he should be doing is arguing over whether or not there should be restrictions at all and doing something useful instead of being a smarta***. If his campaign works it will be harder to park because the authorities will get their markings, signage etc put right. It is better if things aren't right in this instance because then we can get off on technicalities.

However to take an analogy to an extreme, is it right that someone who has clearly commited a murder should get off on a technicality when it's quite obvious that murder is illegal? It's the same here. It has been deemed that parking in certain places is illegal but the authorities haven't enforced it properly, they will now he's telling them about it.

All he is doing is arguing over technicalities and I don't see the point of that. What he should be doing is arguing over whether or not there should be restrictions at all and doing something useful instead of being a smarta***. If his campaign works it will be harder to park because the authorities will get their markings, signage etc put right. It is better if things aren't right in this instance because then we can get off on technicalities.

It is NOT a technicality, since you can't get off a crime that doesn't exist on a technicality.

What about the people who do get fined but don't know there's no traffic order, wouldn't you feel a responsibility to tell them?

However to take an analogy to an extreme, is it right that someone who has clearly commited a murder should get off on a technicality when it's quite obvious that murder is illegal?

A fatally flawed analogy, since getting off of a crime that doesn't exist in law is NOT a technicality. It's simply NOT A CRIME, unlike murder.

A better one would be if I come down your street and paint double yellows, despite there being no traffic order to enforce those yellow lines, would you pay to park outside you own home?

I presume from your responses that you would, or at least, wouldn't argue unless someone told you there is no legal requirement to pay?


It's the same here.

It bears no relation whatsoever.

It has been deemed that parking in certain places is illegal but the authorities haven't enforced it properly

Nope, without the correct traffic order it can't be enforced *at all*, let alone properly

It is infact, NOT illegal.

they will now he's telling them about it.

An unbelievably weak and selfish argument (IMHO)

Anyone else had this? I had a parking ticket which I have disputed due to having a valid pay & display.. It clearly states that I have 14 days in which to dispute although I have received a letter back from the council stating they have 8 weeks backlog...

How many tickets are the council issuing in which people are disputing?

Is there a traffic warden out there getting ticket happy?


Just a reminder of the original thread.. when you say all parking tickets are avoidable by checking the signs.. I did have a valid ticket and it was displayed.. this didn't stop me getting a ticket...

What you are saying is that it not illegal because the authorities have not enforced it properly. What I am saying is that an order was made in the first instance to make parking in a particular place, illegal and steps were taken to give that information to the public using well known and accepted notification with yellow lines, signs, ticket machines etc.

However due to technicalities caused by complacency and/or incompetance pointed out by Mr Herron these notifications have not been done correctly therefore showing that technically, parking there is not illegal. He knows full well that the intention was that parking there is illegal and has seen signs etc indicating that is the case which is why he's there so why is he doing it? He may as well have a job with the councils riding around with tape measure, stop watch and digital camera telling them what's wrong on their many and various sites because what he is doing is helping the council because after he sets a precendant and gets off, the council will put things right and then the rest of us won't have the sport of trying to get off it. It's a bit like a magician revealing how he does his tricks, the bloke's a nutter.

I will take the council or whatever on over technicalities and try to get off parking tickets etc and have done several times in the past but I'm not setting up a silly business to show myself as a smarta*** dedicated to pulling one over on anyone. There are loopholes all over the place.

What you are saying is that it not illegal because the authorities have not enforced it properly.

No I am not, it's not illegal because no legislation or orders under the law exist to make it illegal. Enforcement is totally irrelevant at this stage... legally they're not entitled to enforce anything.

What I am saying is that an order was made in the first instance to make parking in a particular place

The crux of the matter, this "order" has not been made in the cases under discussion.

, illegal and steps were taken to give that information to the public using well known and accepted notification with yellow lines, signs, ticket machines etc.

Except that isn't the case, without the order the lines and signage are meaningless. Part of the accepted notification is the order itself.

However due to technicalities caused by complacency and/or incompetance pointed out by Mr Herron these notifications have not been done correctly therefore showing that technically, parking there is not illegal.

So infact it's nothing to do with "technicalities" at all, it's merely complacency and/or incompetance. These are not technicalitites.

He knows full well that the intention was that parking there is illegal and has seen signs etc indicating that is the case which is why he's there so why is he doing it?

Unable to decipher the question there..


He may as well have a job with the councils riding around with tape measure, stop watch and digital camera telling them what's wrong on their many and various sites

Except he'd make less money working for the council ;)

because what he is doing is helping the council because after he sets a precendant and gets off, the council will put things right and then the rest of us won't have the sport of trying to get off it.

And again, this is wrong how? Surely this is the right/propper and just thing to do?

It's a bit like a magician revealing how he does his tricks, the bloke's a nutter.

No it isn't, since he's not the one trying to magic money out of people pockets for crimmiting a crime that doesn't exist, that would be the council.

I will take the council or whatever on over technicalities and try to get off parking tickets etc and have done several times in the past but I'm not setting up a silly business to show myself as a smarta*** dedicated to pulling one over on anyone.

The only people he's pulling one over are the council, which by your own admission are complacent and incompetant. How is this a bad thing?

There are loopholes all over the place.

So you're happy to allow other people to be fined for an offence you know doesn't exist?

You didn't answer my question re: double yellows outside your home.

Also, would anyone who exposes fraud, injustice & criminality automatically be a smartarse in your view?

You didn't answer my question re: double yellows outside your home.

Also, would anyone who exposes fraud, injustice & criminality automatically be a smartarse in your view?IMO this bloke isn't doing anything for anyone other than his own ego. Whilst I agree that he is exposing the council's incompetance the fact is that the intention is that people aren't supposed to park in these these places for various (sometimes argueable reasons) and all he is doing is showing he's smarter than the council, big deal, most of us are.

I don't care if other people are fined, that's their business, if I can get myself off and if anyone asks for my opinion I might try help them get off it too. I've done this myself with various things in the past, I have sat in front of parking tribunals and I've argued technicalities in magistrates and crown court and won some and lost some, I'm as bolshie as Mr Herron is but I've kept it to myself because I knew that I was bending the rules and so it's in my interest to keep quiet in case I do it again. If you look at pepipoo.com, there are cases I have personally been involved with so I think I know what I'm doing in real life.

No you shouldn't be able to paint double yellow lines outside your house and that would be obvious to anyone who wanted to park there and I would park there unless it seemed to be properly signed.

He's not exposing fraud, injustice & criminality because if the council had done the job properly, the same actions by Mr Herron would be a "crime". He's exposing loopholes, that's all.

INo you shouldn't be able to paint double yellow lines outside your house and that would be obvious to anyone who wanted to park there and I would park there unless it seemed to be properly signed.

The signage is correct in all regards.

He's not exposing fraud, injustice & criminality

He is, because to issue a ticket for a parking offence that doesn't exist is the crime of fraud! Fraud is clearly an injustice.

because if the council had done the job properly, the same actions by Mr Herron would be a "crime".

The point being that the council *haven't* done their job properly in the cases described.

Regardless, under a decriminalised parking scheme Mr.Herrons actions would not be a "crime" even if the appropriate order were in place.

He's exposing loopholes, that's all.

Not being fined for an offence that doesn't exist is not a loophole!

I think the negligence and resultant fraud by the councils highlighted is a shocking disgrace. That they are happy to continue issuing tickets in areas they know have no legal restriction and then refuse to show the order as required under the law is even worse!

I guess we'll have to agree to differ.

I guess we'll have to agree to differ.Yes I think that's a good idea. Have we got the appropriate signage etc to be allowed to do that though? :thumbsup:

In this case I think we can make one up :)

Oh dear!

Earlier on in this thread I mentioned that I had disputed a parking ticket and got a letter back saying that there was a backlog.

I originally got the ticket in November when I was displaying a valid ticket (but also the previous day's ticket) and got the backlog letter in January. Today I got a 'Your penalty Charge has not been paid' letter. I have the photocopies I took of the valid ticket as I sent the real ones in recorded delivery. However, I am still panicing like a mad thing. I don't have the money to pay and don't believe I should have to. Help. Advice please!

Oh dear!

Earlier on in this thread I mentioned that I had disputed a parking ticket and got a letter back saying that there was a backlog.

I originally got the ticket in November when I was displaying a valid ticket (but also the previous day's ticket) and got the backlog letter in January. Today I got a 'Your penalty Charge has not been paid' letter. I have the photocopies I took of the valid ticket as I sent the real ones in recorded delivery. However, I am still panicing like a mad thing. I don't have the money to pay and don't believe I should have to. Help. Advice please!

Check the recorded delivery slip on the Royal Mail website to get the date it was delivered. Then inform the council that your corresponance was recieved by them (assuming it did arrive) on such and such a date, and you're awaiting their response to that.

Oh dear!

Earlier on in this thread I mentioned that I had disputed a parking ticket and got a letter back saying that there was a backlog.

I originally got the ticket in November when I was displaying a valid ticket (but also the previous day's ticket) and got the backlog letter in January. Today I got a 'Your penalty Charge has not been paid' letter. I have the photocopies I took of the valid ticket as I sent the real ones in recorded delivery. However, I am still panicing like a mad thing. I don't have the money to pay and don't believe I should have to. Help. Advice please!It's probably an automatic computerised demand, ignore it.

Oh dear!

Earlier on in this thread I mentioned that I had disputed a parking ticket and got a letter back saying that there was a backlog.

I originally got the ticket in November when I was displaying a valid ticket (but also the previous day's ticket) and got the backlog letter in January. Today I got a 'Your penalty Charge has not been paid' letter. I have the photocopies I took of the valid ticket as I sent the real ones in recorded delivery. However, I am still panicing like a mad thing. I don't have the money to pay and don't believe I should have to. Help. Advice please!

Send an e-mail quoting the Penalty Charge Notice number to: -
parkingservices@sheffield.gov.uk

Give them the details of your previous letter and the enclosed Pay & Display ticket and state that you have not had a reply to your letter, but have now received the "Your Penalty Charge has not been paid" letter. If you can scan your copy of the pay & display ticket and attach to your e-mail, that would be best.

They will be closed on Monday as its the May Day bank holiday, but you should get a response to your e-mail within a few days.

They are paid to enforce the restrictions which are in force and which are clearly signed and lined as required.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7424955.stm

"The BBC has also discovered the entrance to a bus and tram lane which was incorrectly marked has earned Sheffield City Council £350,000."

And finally as I keep saying ALL parking tickets are avoidable - just look for the signs and lines - make sure you understand what they mean (Highway Code) and comply with them. Then obsessive people like Neil Herron won't be able to keep banging on and on and on.......

there's a parallel here with other motoring offences and I applaud your clarity of post.

I am not altogether at odds with many of the gripes and groans on this and other posts - thing is though, buying into a message of "compliance or take your chances" is less fun than populist indulgence in feelings of persecution enjoyed by many here.

STUPID, but if the authorities fancied persecution they could always raise a bob or two by ticketing those parked facing the wrong way at night (except for those parked in a recognised parking space) and/or stick tickets on all those vehicles with a kerb weight of 1525 kgs+ parked on a road at night WITHOUT PARKING LIGHTS.

there's a parallel here with other motoring offences and I applaud your clarity of post.

Clarity that is at odds with reality, unfortunately.

I am not altogether at odds with many of the gripes and groans on this and other posts - thing is though, buying into a message of "compliance or take your chances" is less fun than populist indulgence in feelings of persecution enjoyed by many here.

STUPID, but if the authorities fancied persecution they could always raise a bob or two by ticketing those parked facing the wrong way at night (except for those parked in a recognised parking space) and/or stick tickets on all those vehicles with a kerb weight of 1525 kgs+ parked on a road at night WITHOUT PARKING LIGHTS.

Certainly a good way to ensure you won't be the local authority come election time. Doing this would alienate the vast majority of residents ;)

I don't think there's anything wrong with feeling let down when you're accused of breaching an order that doesn't exist or isn't robust enough to stand scrutiny.

STUPID, but if the authorities fancied persecution they could always raise a bob or two by ticketing those parked facing the wrong way at night (except for those parked in a recognised parking space) and/or stick tickets on all those vehicles with a kerb weight of 1525 kgs+ parked on a road at night WITHOUT PARKING LIGHTS.Quiet, don't give them more ideas, some of "them" are on here.

Quiet, don't give them more ideas, some of "them" are on here.

oops, oh dear, cat out of the bag!
"not a lot of people know that ..." comes to mind.

Many years ago I got a ticket facing the wrong way and then went and did it again and got another ticket - who was the stupid one, then?

the kerb weight one is interesting in a strange way (yes, I know, I ought to get out more!) - all those 4x4's and vans parked without parking lights!

The first ticket I ever got for anything was in middle of the night for parking wrong way round in a van half on the pavement outside my house. The bloke across the road had complained to plod so after that I parked correctly which made it harder for him to get out of his drive opposite. Yes wheelchairs could pass, blah, blah, blah....