There's a program at 9:00pm on BBC1 tonight on the abuse asylum seekers are beign subjected to in the UK, on the hand of british Police, who are supposed to be protecting them....

it'd be interesting to see how many people will be watching that, and what everybody's views are on the subject....

I think most of them will regard it as 'left wing propaganda' or say that 'they had it coming' unfortunately.

I personally can't understand the need for violence, especially against such vulnerable groups, they must've had enough of it in their countries....
it's like punching someone in the face for running to you for help, it doesn't make sense....

I agree!

... but a country which allows racial prejudice of *any* kind to become such a bastion of it's own culture isn't going to care...

So these people are being mistreeted? Oh dear they will no doubt want to leave the country & seek ''asylum'' somewhere else will they? Like not.

It's not the Police, it's a private security company called GSL who are responsble for the detainees at Oakington and Harmondsworth.

These undercover things are so stupid, wherever you go, in any job, in any country, you will find people who don't do their job right, are racist, are sexist etc. etc. It's not a great revalation.

All they do is show you the people being "bad", there is an outcry in some newspapers, the people get sacked, and everyone assumes thats the problem solved.

Surely Tim42 this is about the professional integrity of the authorities?

Originally posted by Agent Dan
I think most of them will regard it as 'left wing propaganda'
Diffacult to regard it otherwise when statements like

Originally posted by ginamoi
the hand of british Police, who are supposed to be protecting them
are made.

Surely we should watch the programme, not prejudge it.

After all, it wasn't the police was it?

Originally posted by handsomedave
it's a private security company called GSL
C'mon gin' & AD, get the facts straight, and you'd have more credibility.

I never said it was the police!! And I was right about you calling it left wing propaganda... so I stand by my comment :P

Originally posted by Agent Dan
And I was right about you calling it left wing propaganda... so I stand by my comment :P
What do you meen, when did I say

Originally posted by Agent Dan
left wing propaganda
I merely quoted your words, I never said anything about

Originally posted by Agent Dan
left wing propaganda
;)

Originally posted by foo_fighter

After all, it wasn't the police was it?


C'mon gin' & AD, get the facts straight, and you'd have more credibility.

actually it is the police that carries out detentions and deportations, and a woman has suffocated while 5 officers sat on her and twisted her neck when she resisted
http://www.socialequality.org.uk/gardner.shtml

not to mention the injections of sedative drugs, which in my opinion is beyond and worse than any other techniques used, because u're simply parallized and unconscious and have no power to defend yourself..I don't see how this is any less intrusive and violating than rape...

Just to confirm that it isn't the Police as stated by handsomedave.

I've heard some of the clips from the program - it's going to be uncomfortable viewing for those who think that asylum seekers get an easy ride.

Originally posted by Tony
I've heard some of the clips from the program - it's going to be uncomfortable viewing for those who think that asylum seekers get an easy ride.

No, you're wrong.

They will enjoy it. They will record it and show it to their children as an example of how to treat people who look/sound different.

Originally posted by ginamoi
actually it is the police that carries out detentions and deportations
and there was I thinking this was a thread about

Originally posted by ginamoi
a program at 9:00pm on BBC1 tonight
but you're bringing other items in now, and trying to prejudge the issue. Now that my friend is

Originally posted by Agent Dan
'left wing propaganda'
Can we just watch the programme, and then see

Originally posted by ginamoi
what everybody's views are on the subject....

Lets just watch it and see, eh?

Shouldn't this be in the entertainment bit? If it more about the politics than the actual show, shouldn't it be in the politics bit?

Originally posted by Snook
Lets just watch it and see, eh?

Shouldn't this be in the entertainment bit? If it more about the politics than the actual show, shouldn't it be in the politics bit?

I hardly find it entertaining, do you?

and for me it has nothing to do with the general politics, it's more of a general chat about basic human rights

Originally posted by ginamoi
I hardly find it entertaining, do you?

but thats what it is, a sick kind of entertainment.

Mod: Moved this thread to Entertainment Chat.

Originally posted by ginamoi
I hardly find it entertaining, do you?
The thread is about a TV program, most threads about TV programs appear under "Entertainment Chat", geddit?

Originally posted by ginamoi
and for me it has nothing to do with the general politics, it's more of a general chat about basic human rights
What, like the "basic human right" to talk about a program before it's been on.

Yeh, I'm really worried about my "basic human rights" on that issue.

Look, the program starts in just over 2.5 hours, wait 'til you've seen it to comment.

Originally posted by sham71
No, you're wrong.

They will enjoy it. They will record it and show it to their children as an example of how to treat people who look/sound different.

My you have one heck of an imagination.

Originally posted by foo_fighter
Yeh, I'm really worried about my "basic human rights" on that issue.

well I don't suppose "Other humans rights" are of any interest to you, and with a signature like yours I'm not surprised


the program starts in just over 2.5 hours, wait 'til you've seen it to comment.

actually I'm sticking to my right to comment on it now

also when the thread was started there was 6 hours and 47 minutes left ;)

Originally posted by ginamoi
There's a program at 9:00pm on BBC1 tonight on the abuse asylum seekers are beign subjected to in the UK, on the hand of british Police, who are supposed to be protecting them....

Watched the program last night.

Must have missed the bit where the British Police were doing something wrong, it seemed to be about a private security firm.

Bump.

Did anybody else watch this last night?

I thought with all that conjecture "before the fact" we might have had the promised lively debate today.

Still awfully quiet round here though.

Anybody...

Originally posted by foo_fighter
Watched the program last night.

Must have missed the bit where the British Police were doing something wrong, it seemed to be about a private security firm.

you seem to have changed your signature already (what used to be "If violence isn't working, then you ain't hitting hard enough....") :)

My mistake about the police, apparantly those stupid "foreigners" can't tell the difference when they're being beaten or restrained and arrested in front of their children or having their feet stamped on, between the police and "other men in uniform" :nono:

It was very well documented. I Kept having to switch channels though because of the foul language both spoken and on the unavoidable subtitles.
Didn't want junior reading it :o
What I did see left me with no surprises - from either 'camp'

Erm, it wasn't the

Originally posted by ginamoi
stupid "foreigners"
that couldn't tell the difference, it was

Originally posted by ginamoi
stupid
you.

You were advised to watch the program before making comments, but oh no. :loopy:

edit to add
Oh, and I'm flattered you felt strongly enough to copy down my old sig' word for word, how nice. Do you like the new one?

Please don't let the thread go in to personal abuse and mud slinging.

Joe

Sorry Joe, I was only using someone else's words against them, but I'll not do it again anyway.


Any road up, back to the point, did you actually see anyone

Originally posted by ginamoi
beaten or restrained and arrested in front of their children or having their feet stamped on,
in the programme last night.

I saw a lot of "big talk" to impress the new boy (who of course turns out to be the reporter), but no beatings. The only restraint we saw was in training (to guidelines), no one was arrested (especially not in front of their children), and no one got their feet stamped on.

The worst we saw was someone being tipped out of bed, and not enough staff being present during a transfer (according to the guidelines), but no consequences arose from that.

Agreed of course there was a lot of seriously out of order racial comments (many against "eastern Europeans"), and the men covered won't be invited round mine for Christmas, that's for sure.

But the men in question have all been suspended, and there were other security companies shown that were clearly "more organised". It seems to me that (typically) the reporters found the worst employees, of the worst company, to make the most controversial TV...

...and even then, the build up was more controversial than the actual program.

Oh yes, and if I remember rightly, the folks in question were clearly careful not to do anything controversial in front of any real officials (like customs or the police) they even said as much.

Anyway, that's my critique, any other thoughts, on the program, of course are welcome.