The hotel on the Hathersage to Hope road is quickly becoming a ruin. Surely this cannot happen in the peak district with all the planning laws and presevation orders etc. Think the owners are waiting for it to get into such a bad state that they will be "forced" to build some overprice luxury housing on the site at a great profit to themselves. Surely there is something the council could do? (Yes I know its Derbyshire council)Probably line their own pockets!

Originally posted by MumphitMan
The hotel on the Hathersage to Hope road is quickly becoming a ruin. Surely this cannot happen in the peak district with all the planning laws and presevation orders etc. Think the owners are waiting for it to get into such a bad state that they will be "forced" to build some overprice luxury housing on the site at a great profit to themselves. Surely there is something the council could do? (Yes I know its Derbyshire council)Probably line their own pockets!
Does seem like a real shame.

If anybody knows the owners, I'll buy the place for a tenner. :)

Originally posted by foo_fighter
Does seem like a real shame.

If anybody knows the owners, I'll buy the place for a tenner. :)

I'll raise you to £12.50...

Such a lovely building, although a little too close to the road for anything other than a pub or restuarant...

The last time I went in I couldn't help noticing that the chairs and tables were so low down. I felt like I was in a kindergarten.

I actually think you probably could buy it for a tenner.
Well not a tenner but a lot less than youd think.

There is a masterplan to turn it into aspirational yuppie scum flats but it is continually being vetoed by the council so lets hear a bit of support for them OK :)

The site is probably worthless unless a developer can build on it.

d

I was astonished when it closed down in the first place - I just couldn't believe that a pub/hotel of that size in such a prime position with cars zooming past all the time could manage to go bust! Surely somebody could make a go of it. It certainly would be a great shame to turn it into yet more luxury apartments, I'm dead against that.

For the family who owned the Marquis for over 20 years, foot and mouth was the final nail in the coffin.

They sold the hotel to a guy who said he would invest into making it a fine hotel, who actually wanted to re-develop into appartments but couldn't get planning permission. Last we heard (i am a close friend of the family who owned it) he was indeed letting it get into such a state the coucil would review their decision.

Been past it many times and always comment on what a shame it is to let such a nice building go to waste. Wouldn't mind owning it myself :D

if you closed it where would all the Hope valley chavs go?;)

Slightly off-topic I know, but drove out through Bamford today, and noticed the sad state of the Marquis of Granby pub....
many years since I spent many great evenings out there, but what on earth happened????
A virtual ruin......

:clap: I agree with you totally! Some jumped up pub chain bought it forgot about it I think.

Mod: Similar threads merged.

From what I've heard, the Marquis was bought with the idea of turning it into flats. The problem is that it's in such a state of disrepair that it's not really safe to do that. The problem being, the longer they leave it before starting repairs, the more likley it's looking that they'll have to pull the whole place down.
Even when the Marquis was still a pub it had a lot of problems - hence the reason it was sold in the first place I think - it cost more to run than it was earning. From what I've been told, the cellar has been flooded for some time and the foundations are rotten; I'm no expert on buildings so couldn't give any exact details, but the flooding means the whole place is a bit unstable. The damp means a lot of the walls are fairly unstable. I've been told by friends of my sister (who went in "for a laugh") the ceilings are coming in and one of them put his foot through the stairs when he tried to get upstairs.

There used to be a nice enough homeless bloke who was living in there at one point, but he moved on when the chavs got in there and trashed the place completely. Not quite sure what was in there to wreck, but they must have found something.

As far as I know, the chap that owns the Marquis is, as many of you have already said - waiting for the council to allow him to turn it into flats.

This is the state of things to come in Bamford, as the Derwent will be converted within 5 years, and the Anglers wont be far behind it.

It's obviously not viable as a hotel/pub so why begrudge the guy for wanting to build flats and at least make some money, the Granby isn't that nice a building, perhaps the flats will look better ?

The Peak District isn't a theme park, people realy live there and have to make a living, if they wan't to sell a pub and convert it into flats they can, it's their pub, they're not obliged to provide these facilities for the 2 times a year we visit them.

Sorry if someone has asked this before, but when did the Marqius of Granby actually close? I think its been shut the whole time I've been in Sheffield (about 4 years) but can't really remember, and it annoys me every time i drive past!

J

We drove past the building last weekend - a right state is in now. It looks well beyond any renovation project. Shame as I always thought it was a nice building, but if what others have said is right, then it's probably going to fall down pretty soon - then next winter - rain, snow and gales will probably finish it off, particularly if the foundations are unstable.

Perhaps a new luxury hotel (with indoor swimming pool) and penthouse appartments on the top floor would get planning permission? Wish I had the money to buy the land and do it...

Originally posted by Hels
We drove past the building last weekend - a right state is in now. It looks well beyond any renovation project. Shame as I always thought it was a nice building, but if what others have said is right, then it's probably going to fall down pretty soon - then next winter - rain, snow and gales will probably finish it off, particularly if the foundations are unstable.

Perhaps a new luxury hotel (with indoor swimming pool) and penthouse appartments on the top floor would get planning permission? Wish I had the money to buy the land and do it...

This is it!! We've said for years if someone spent some money renovating to a high standard, and reopening as a hotel - there is money to be made!

But instead the Rising Sun is doing well without having to try (and they don't...) which is a shame for the whole valley, not just Bamford.

Originally posted by jamoo
Sorry if someone has asked this before, but when did the Marqius of Granby actually close? I think its been shut the whole time I've been in Sheffield (about 4 years) but can't really remember, and it annoys me every time i drive past!

J

We were talking about this in the pub the other day, about the discos they used to have on a friday night (we all slated them when the place was open - needless to say we now miss them) and we believe it to be 2001 when it closed.

I may be wrong though - it seems to have been shut forever.

That would figure... I moved to sheffield in 2001 and that hotel has been closed the whole time. Seems to be a waste seeing as property in the peaks is in such high demand...

I'd say 2001 would b about right - I seem to remember it wasn't long after my sister's wedding.
I vagueley remember the Discos too. Especially the utterly abysmal "Under the limit" ones...

Originally posted by d00mw0lf
I'd say 2001 would b about right - I seem to remember it wasn't long after my sister's wedding.
I vagueley remember the Discos too. Especially the utterly abysmal "Under the limit" ones...

Usually the Young Farmers ones - they had their own doormen so anyone could get in.

Mind you, we all did it!!

Originally posted by jamoo
That would figure... I moved to sheffield in 2001 and that hotel has been closed the whole time. Seems to be a waste seeing as property in the peaks is in such high demand...


It's almost as bad as converting the old mill or the old filter station into £300k apartments!

Come to think of it though - it might be better that it remains empty and derelict, than full of yuppies!!

Interesting thread.

DOes anyone know the present owner and where I may get in touch with him? I am very interested in checking the place over and maybe making an offer for the freehold (assuming its freehold that is).....

Originally posted by Johnnywarren
It's almost as bad as converting the old mill or the old filter station into £300k apartments!

Come to think of it though - it might be better that it remains empty and derelict, than full of yuppies!!
Could not agree more - as someone else said, the Hope valley is a real place, not a themepark.
A lot of people seem to move here under the impression it's "the great outdoors" and that they are also entitled to a landrover to go to the village shop in. These are usually the same people who sit in that day-long traffic jam every Sunday and bank holiday Monday.
But who can blame them? It must be a lot better than waiting for the loch ness monster-esque busses. Could be a new moneyspinner - pay £1 to stand at a bus stop in Bamford and see if you can spot one of the mythical busses....

Originally posted by goldenfleece
Interesting thread.

DOes anyone know the present owner and where I may get in touch with him? I am very interested in checking the place over and maybe making an offer for the freehold (assuming its freehold that is).....

Your chances are less than zero.

Don't think for a second that there aren't already a whole host of people that wouldn't buy the building for an awful lot of money if it could be bought.

Great place it was I am sorry to hear that it is being run down .Once stop there so I would not have to drive after the firms annual do (in summer). It was bl***y freezing in the height of summer.

I reckon it should be opened again...

Originally posted by d00mw0lf
Could not agree more - as someone else said, the Hope valley is a real place, not a themepark.
A lot of people seem to move here under the impression it's "the great outdoors" and that they are also entitled to a landrover to go to the village shop in. These are usually the same people who sit in that day-long traffic jam every Sunday and bank holiday Monday.
But who can blame them? It must be a lot better than waiting for the loch ness monster-esque busses. Could be a new moneyspinner - pay £1 to stand at a bus stop in Bamford and see if you can spot one of the mythical busses....

LOL - you're not wrong my friend! 3 buses in each direction a day! Unless you walk 3/4 of a mile down to the bus turnaround - which is fine this time of year....

You can't cross bamford main road on a sunday because the M25 seems to get diverted through the village between 10 and 6 - it's life-threatening trying to go for a pint!!

Me & my hubby go out into Derbyshre a couple of times a week,and always have to drive past The Marquis of Granby"It does seem a shame to see it in this state.Im sure it would make someone a lovely house, or flats.Is it a listed building I wonder ?

I heard that the owner had applied to turn it into *something* other than a pub (flats?) and had been turned down by the council. So - he is purposefully letting the place run down (no repairs) to force the council's hand to allow him to do what he wants...

All pure hearsay of course...

/Edit...thought there was a thread on this and there is:

http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=30976&highlight=granby

MOD NOTE: Threads merged. Thanks for the link :)

hey headup youre not for wrong. take it from me the owner is a TOTAL P***POT, hes the type of country squire who believes he his the lord of hathersage ,finds it hard to believe that when he goes to the loo he is just a mere mortal like us. if any of you [like me] wanted to see the marquis brought back to its origanal splendour a fantastic old coaching inn there is no chance. the lord of hathersage is only worth 50/60 million and to him an old coaching inn is not a good buisness proposition.contribute something back to derbyshire that would be there for another 200 years why should he LOSER.:mad:

This seems to be so common today, apply for planning permission get refused then wait for the property to fall down. We see so many buildings like this. The Marquis, Middlewood a 1800 public house wisewood just to name a few. But there seems to be no law to stop them from doing this.:rant: :mad:

PEAK PARK planning board I doubt if they will let flats be built. Is the building also listed?

I don't see what is wrong with turning it into flats. It has come to the end of it's useful life as a coaching in. The building is knackered, floods like crazy at the back and you could not possibly get a return on your money if you were to return it to it's 'original splendour'. It might have worked as a coaching inn if we all still went to Manchester in a coach and four, we don't.

You do not have a third way. It's either let it fall down or allow it to be turned into flats.

Originally posted by pete_jim
I don't see what is wrong with turning it into flats. It has come to the end of it's useful life as a coaching in. The building is knackered, floods like crazy at the back and you could not possibly get a return on your money if you were to return it to it's 'original splendour'. It might have worked as a coaching inn if we all still went to Manchester in a coach and four, we don't.

You do not have a third way. It's either let it fall down or allow it to be turned into flats. Ok lets knock down all our lovely old houses in the country side and build shiny new flats, Pevril castle could go and we could build a nice new housing estate.:suspect:

Originally posted by Bikertec
Ok lets knock down all our lovely old houses in the country side and build shiny new flats, Pevril castle could go and we could build a nice new housing estate.:suspect:
Hi Bikertec, you get everywhere:heyhey: Bet you dont know who I am:gag: What about getting rid of the town hall ( with all the councillars in it):clap: , but why stop there, what about BUCKINGHAM PALACE:hihi:

Yep I could go for that and the house of commons as long as its full at the time. lol:thumbsup:

Originally posted by Bikertec
Yep I could go for that and the house of commons as long as its full at the time. lol:thumbsup:
Your a man after my own heart:hihi: ...Bet you still dont know who I am though?:loopy: :loopy: thats a clue.

As someone has said, previously, there have been so many beautiful old buildings allowed to go to rack and ruin so that developers can raze the property, and redevelop it into yuppie flats (muses... hmm, allow to go to rack and ruin... yuppie flats... *strokes chin* suddenly, why am I thinking of park hill? lol !)

I propose that, if properties are deliberately allowed to go to rack and ruin, and become derelict, then the owners should be fined, for causing the heritage of the nation to be lost. if we impos efinancial penalties on owners then surely the incentive would be "pay a 'bit' of money to do it up, or a hell of a lot more for ruining it?"

(maybe i'm being too simplistic)

PT

1. What is everyone's problem with 'yuppies'? I assume by this you mean young people who have worked hard, got a good education and now want a lovely place to live.

2. Why are people complaining about the lack of busses to and from the hope valley? we have regular trains to and from sheff and manc which are great.....i suppose we could double the number of busses so there will be 4 people on each bus as oppossed to 8! clearly isn't financially viable

3. The Peak District is amazing because of the spectacular countryside, not the hotels. It is here to be enjoyed and if that means loads of traffic on sunday then fair play.

4. The tourist traffic is nothing compared to the quary traffic and you do not hear locals complaining about that because we like the jobs and they do give a lot back.

5. In my opinion, so what to what happens to the marquis, eventually it will be turned into something. I'd like it to be turned into a really successful hotel so the rising sun goes under because the family who own that place really are a bunch of *****, beleive me...i used to work for them.

Originally posted by rocketpig
1. What is everyone's problem with 'yuppies'? I assume by this you mean young people who have worked hard, got a good education and now want a lovely place to live.

2. Why are people complaining about the lack of busses to and from the hope valley? we have regular trains to and from sheff and manc which are great.....i suppose we could double the number of busses so there will be 4 people on each bus as oppossed to 8! clearly isn't financially viable

3. The Peak District is amazing because of the spectacular countryside, not the hotels. It is here to be enjoyed and if that means loads of traffic on sunday then fair play.

4. The tourist traffic is nothing compared to the quary traffic and you do not hear locals complaining about that because we like the jobs and they do give a lot back.

5. In my opinion, so what to what happens to the marquis, eventually it will be turned into something. I'd like it to be turned into a really successful hotel so the rising sun goes under because the family who own that place really are a bunch of *****, beleive me...i used to work for them.


1. No-one has a problem with anyone who's worked hard, and wants somewhere nice to live - but far too many of these people move out here, and do not support local businesses - and that doesnt just mean having some friends over for a weekend in the summer and taking them shopping in Castleton.

2. No - buses and trains are just fine for me pal.

3. Whoa whoa whoa - we still have to live there you know - the peak district is neither a racetrack for idiots to test out the acceleration on their BMW's, nor is it a safari park, where a constant procession of traffic marvels at the sight of yet another tree.

4. You'll hear me complaining about the quarry traffic - don't worry about that, but you're right - if it means locals having jobs then it's a price we have to pay - the same can be said for traffic in castleton and hathersage - they sold their souls to the devil a long time ago - but villages like Bamford do not deserve the amount of traffic we have to suffer.

5. Aye - I believe you're right. But we both know it won't. Money talks sadly.

All too simplistic? Not really. Hotel group goes bust therefore no one to take responsibility for the building. No one wants to buy it to keep it going as an hotel (having seen so many failed attempts in the past), thus no third option. Either demolish or refurb/build as something else.

I can't see where you 'Bikertec' got the idea for demolishing Peveril Castle and replacing it with a housing estate from in any of my thread replies. Peveril Castle isn't falling down, it's obviously owned by someone, probably the National Trust, and I would never advocate building an estate there under any circumstances. The thread was about the Marquis of Granby.

Originally posted by pete_jim
All too simplistic? Not really. Hotel group goes bust therefore no one to take responsibility for the building. No one wants to buy it to keep it going as an hotel (having seen so many failed attempts in the past), thus no third option. Either demolish or refurb/build as something else.

I can't see where you 'Bikertec' got the idea for demolishing Peveril Castle and replacing it with a housing estate from in any of my thread replies. Peveril Castle isn't falling down, it's obviously owned by someone, probably the National Trust, and I would never advocate building an estate there under any circumstances. The thread was about the Marquis of Granby.

You made a good point Pete, but I know for a fact there is a market for a high standard hotel in the valley - purely because there isnt one now!

But if the Marquis was renovated to a very high standard - you would be looking at a lot of through trade, and you'd get a wedding party 30/40 weeks a year.

I know for a fact that coach companies are crying out for a decent sized hotel in the Hope Valley - the nearest at the moment is the Palace at Buxton.

I accept most of your points though the market is usually demand driven so why is no one providing a top notch hotel, also one with enough facilities for coach parties? You can't do both from the same premises by the way.

My main point of disagreement is with people who think that just because someone is wealthy enough to buy something then they should be forced to do something with that wasn't necessarily what they originally planned.

Yes, if the building is listed, or the site of some importance but IMO none of these applies to the Marquis of Granby site/premises.

I have been in the hospitality industry most of my working life and it is not as easy as everyone thinks, you can't just throw money at something and expect people to stampede in through your doors. You say that you could expect a wedding party 30/40 weeks of the year. Where did you get that figure from?

Originally posted by pete_jim
I accept most of your points though the market is usually demand driven so why is no one providing a top notch hotel, also one with enough facilities for coach parties? You can't do both from the same premises by the way.

My main point of disagreement is with people who think that just because someone is wealthy enough to buy something then they should be forced to do something with that wasn't necessarily what they originally planned.

Yes, if the building is listed, or the site of some importance but IMO none of these applies to the Marquis of Granby site/premises.

I have been in the hospitality industry most of my working life and it is not as easy as everyone thinks, you can't just throw money at something and expect people to stampede in through your doors. You say that you could expect a wedding party 30/40 weeks of the year. Where did you get that figure from?

Just a rough estimate - I do believe that at a 4 star standard, the Marquis would attract a great amount of business (and believe it or not, coach parties dont mind staying in 4 stars....) particularly weddings. There's a lovely garden space to the side (or at least there could be) and the main ballroom is perfectly sized for such functions.

But as you say - there's a quicker return from selling the building to nameless tossers who want to impress their mates by living in the peak district.

Well OK I'll find some one with a couple of million quid who wants to invest in something you 'believe' will work.

Originally posted by Johnnywarren
1. No-one has a problem with anyone who's worked hard, and wants somewhere nice to live - but far too many of these people move out here, and do not support local businesses - and that doesnt just mean having some friends over for a weekend in the summer and taking them shopping in Castleton.


Surely people can live wherever they want and use whichever services they want....its sad but true that in this day, local services need to compete for their business.....the world is getting smaller. In my view, you can live in the valley and shop in sheffield if you want!

Unforunately you need to go through Bamford to get to the valley from the A57, so it doesn't matter that Bamford haven't capitalised on tourism, its a main route in.

I don't know if there is demand for another large hotel in the valley, you say there are no large hotels but the rising sun and brookfield manor in Hathersage are right there!

Originally posted by Johnnywarren
But as you say - there's a quicker return from selling the building to nameless tossers who want to impress their mates by living in the peak district.

Ah, better that it stays a local place for local inbreds then eh?

I'm not being deliberately rude Johnnywarren, just trying to highlight that places like Bamford have to accept that they are a part of the wider world, and that 'outsiders' will inevitable come to live there. It's close to Sheffield and the area outside the village is rather nice. Bamford itself is a bit of a dump though, simply because it has had little outside investment. The village needs to grow a bit if it is to prosper. Bakewell, realised that a few years ago, and it's doing nicely these days. There is even shiney new housing in Hope on the Cattle Market site.

Come on - the only way that you get the things that you want like improved bus services, shopping, pubs, restaurants, etc, etc, is to let the area move on, and that includes places like the MoG becoming something else. Development isn't a bad thing, it's always gone on. What brown field site in Bamford was YOUR house built on?

Originally posted by Johnnywarren
Just a rough estimate - I do believe that at a 4 star standard, the Marquis would attract a great amount of business (and believe it or not, coach parties dont mind staying in 4 stars....) particularly weddings. There's a lovely garden space to the side (or at least there could be) and the main ballroom is perfectly sized for such functions.

I don't think that the site (never mind the buildings) is technically big enough to have a modern, viable 4*, and anyway, I can't see the market being in that sort of venue in the Valley. Smaller specialist hotels (Baslow Hall, Cavendish) is where it is at. The larger hotels like the Palace are pretty empty most of the year. I once stayed there and dinner and breakfast hardly seemed worth the staff turning up for.

Do you really want even more tourists and coach parties cluttering up the (un)lovely Bamford? Surely it's much better to have new residents investing in the future of the village?

Originally posted by Tony
Ah, better that it stays a local place for local inbreds then eh?

I'm not being deliberately rude Johnnywarren, just trying to highlight that places like Bamford have to accept that they are a part of the wider world, and that 'outsiders' will inevitable come to live there. It's close to Sheffield and the area outside the village is rather nice. Bamford itself is a bit of a dump though, simply because it has had no outside investment. The village needs to grow a bit if it is to prosper. Bakewell, realised that a few years ago, and it's doing nicely these days. There is even shiney new housing in Hope on the Cattle Market site.

Come on - the only way that you get the things that you want like improved bus services, shopping, pubs, restaurants, etc, etc, is to let the area move on, and that includes places like the MoG becoming something else. Development isn't a bad thing, it's always gone on. What brown field site in Bamford was YOUR house built on?



I don't think that the site (never mind the buildings) is technically big enough to have a modern, viable 4*, and anyway, I can't see the market being in that sort of venue in the Valley. Smaller specialist hotels (Baslow Hall, Cavendish) is where it is at. The larger hotels like the Palace are pretty empty most of the year. I once stayed there and dinner and breakfast hardly seemed worth the staff turning up for.

Do you really want even more tourists and coach parties cluttering up the (un)lovely Bamford? Surely it's much better to have new residents investing in the future of the village?

Bamford's a bit of a dump? Because they havent turned the central village into a mass of outdoor clothing shops? I disagree - from a residents point of view, Bamford surely carries the most appeal, as it is the most unspoilt village in the valley?

In honesty were new residents to understand what life is like in a small village, and get involved in the community - then fine. Many do, and I have no problem with them. But you have to appreciate that so many do not.

Nice use of the 'inbred' argument by the way.

Originally posted by pete_jim
Well OK I'll find some one with a couple of million quid who wants to invest in something you 'believe' will work.

I didn't ask you to. I was just offering an opinion.

Originally posted by rocketpig
Surely people can live wherever they want and use whichever services they want....its sad but true that in this day, local services need to compete for their business.....the world is getting smaller. In my view, you can live in the valley and shop in sheffield if you want!

Unforunately you need to go through Bamford to get to the valley from the A57, so it doesn't matter that Bamford haven't capitalised on tourism, its a main route in.

I don't know if there is demand for another large hotel in the valley, you say there are no large hotels but the rising sun and brookfield manor in Hathersage are right there!

Of course people can live wherever they want RP, and it's hard to discuss this without sounding like some mad hillbilly, totally against change, But we do all notice changes to our own way of life, and quite often we don't like it. You must appreciate that there are people who move to areas without realising what that area is like, and dont add anything to the community - this happens everywhere, but I suppose it's more noticable in a small, rural community.

That said, many people move to the country and really take to it - it's swings and roundabouts.

It's hard having to watch your friends, or your friends children move away from your village because of ridiculous house prices, and surely it's natural to wish local people could keep the local properties?? Sadly it's not a realistic notion, and I'm more aware of that than many - but we're all entitled to our opinions.

Ito the Marquis two days after it closed for an auction. You would have been sick if you had been unlucky enough to go into the kitchen.The Environmental Health Agency would have had a field day,it was absolutely filthy.The walls were filthy,the work tops had thick grease under them, the microwave looked like it hadn't been cleaned for months.......l could go on! Thank God it closed as it was filthy,l hope someone does come along and restore it to its heyday years.

P.S Another filthy kitchen was at the Old Library at Ecclesall,l had the pleasure of an auction at that place when it closed down.Thank goodness for open kitchens!!!!

Originally posted by Reesh
[B]Ito the Marquis two days after it closed for an auction. You would have been sick if you had been unlucky enough to go into the kitchen.The Environmental Health Agency would have had a field day,it was absolutely filthy.The walls were filthy,the work tops had thick grease under them, the microwave looked like it hadn't been cleaned for months.......l could go on! Thank God it closed as it was filthy,l hope someone does come along and restore it to its heyday years.

You're not wrong Reesh - it was bad when they were operating as a hotel, so I dread to think how they let it get when they knew they were leaving...

Originally posted by Johnnywarren
You made a good point Pete, but I know for a fact there is a market for a high standard hotel in the valley - purely because there isnt one now!

But if the Marquis was renovated to a very high standard - you would be looking at a lot of through trade, and you'd get a wedding party 30/40 weeks a year.

I know for a fact that coach companies are crying out for a decent sized hotel in the Hope Valley - the nearest at the moment is the Palace at Buxton.

Knowing several people who work in hotels, I think that a wedding 30/40 weeks a year, way out in the sticks is VERY unlikely and most hotels (who want to make money) wouldn't touch coach parties with a barge pole, they make next to nothing on them.

If it were possible to make money running the place as a hotel (and it realy is hard work to make money out of a hotel) then someone would be doing so, it's obviously a non-starter.

They're turning it into a "Centre for New Pagan Spirituality"

Originally posted by nick2
Knowing several people who work in hotels, I think that a wedding 30/40 weeks a year, way out in the sticks is VERY unlikely and most hotels (who want to make money) wouldn't touch coach parties with a barge pole, they make next to nothing on them.

If it were possible to make money running the place as a hotel (and it realy is hard work to make money out of a hotel) then someone would be doing so, it's obviously a non-starter.

The thing is, we're not out in the sticks - as you lot all keep saying on here, it's lovely to have the Peak district on the doorstep - I reckon Sheffielders would love to get married with Bamford Edge and Winhill in the background - so it honestly wouldn't surprise me.

A Hotel could make as much as they wanted from coach parties in all honesty - I'm in the business and you'd be amazed how many coach operators are desperate to do tours staying in the valley - but as I've said, the Palace in Buxton is the only one suitable.

You can't make as much as you want from coach parties, because the kind of people who go on them (mostly pensioners) won't pay very much.

If you had a wedding, with 200 people where are they all going to stay (how many rooms has that place got ?), where are they all going to park ?

Originally posted by nick2
You can't make as much as you want from coach parties, because the kind of people who go on them (mostly pensioners) won't pay very much.

You'd be surprised.

If you had a wedding, with 200 people where are they all going to stay (how many rooms has that place got ?), where are they all going to park ?

that doesnt mean there'll be 200 cars - there's easily space. (the Gabbards used to own the field opposite too - although I'm not sure if they kept it, or sold it with the Marquis)

Oh well - this is irrelevant, as we all know it's going to become flats, as will the Derwent and the Anglers within 2 years.

Originally posted by nick2
You can't make as much as you want from coach parties, because the kind of people who go on them (mostly pensioners) won't pay very much.

If you had a wedding, with 200 people where are they all going to stay (how many rooms has that place got ?), where are they all going to park ?

I couldn't agree more. Coach parties want the world for nowt, half of them want single rooms, they are something you either concentrate on and aim for at a good 2 star or possibly 3 star standard. If you refurb'd the Marquis to 4 star as suggested you couldn't get the return on your investment from coach parties. I worked at an hotel which did hardly anything but coach parties and it was enormously hard work but quite profitable. However, you couldn't have sold the same facilities to a prospective bride and groom.

Why do people persist in the belief that the Catering & Hotel industry is easy and can be done by anyone on a whim.

We did cast around for ideas and thought it would make quite a good brothel/whorehouse. Brilliantly placed for stag weekends from Sheffield and Manchester. They would not mind paying and wouldn't notice if the decor/furnishings were 2 or 3 Star. Brilliant, job's a goodun, now about planning permission..

Originally posted by pete_jim
I couldn't agree more. Coach parties want the world for nowt, half of them want single rooms, they are something you either concentrate on and aim for at a good 2 star or possibly 3 star standard. If you refurb'd the Marquis to 4 star as suggested you couldn't get the return on your investment from coach parties. I worked at an hotel which did hardly anything but coach parties and it was enormously hard work but quite profitable. However, you couldn't have sold the same facilities to a prospective bride and groom.

Why do people persist in the belief that the Catering & Hotel industry is easy and can be done by anyone on a whim.

We did cast around for ideas and thought it would make quite a good brothel/whorehouse. Brilliantly placed for stag weekends from Sheffield and Manchester. They would not mind paying and wouldn't notice if the decor/furnishings were 2 or 3 Star. Brilliant, job's a goodun, now about planning permission..

Oh don't get me wrong Pete lad, I'm well aware how hard the catering and hotel trade is to do well at.

Funnily enough, stag weekends was something mentioned by an 'investor' when the Gabbards first announced they'd be selling - there was talk of the old paintballing and other activities - but nothing came of that.

As far as I know, no-one's considered making it a knocking shop, although you could argue that's exactly what it was when they had the friday night discos!!!

All this debate as to wether or not it could be run as a hotel is irrelevant realy, if the guy who owns it doesn't want to run a hotel, and wants to demolish it and build flats then thats his choice.

Honestly, if you were in his shoes would you struggle to make money running an obviously un-popular hotel, or build flats, sell-up and cut your losses ?

Originally posted by nick2
All this debate as to wether or not it could be run as a hotel is irrelevant realy, if the guy who owns it doesn't want to run a hotel, and wants to demolish it and build flats then thats his choice.

Honestly, if you were in his shoes would you struggle to make money running an obviously un-popular hotel, or build flats, sell-up and cut your losses ?

Of course you'd go for the quick buck - makes perfect sense, and explains why it's what everybody's doing with the old buildings up and down the valley.

Originally posted by Johnnywarren
Of course you'd go for the quick buck - makes perfect sense, and explains why it's what everybody's doing with the old buildings up and down the valley.

Which old buildings up and down the valley?

I know the hotel in hathersage has been turned into shops but which other old buildings is "everybody" doing this to?

Originally posted by rocketpig
Which old buildings up and down the valley?

I know the hotel in hathersage has been turned into shops but which other old buildings is "everybody" doing this to?

Been going back years

They did Hathersage mill, Bamford mill, the old pumphouse at Ladybower, they knocked down the marketplace in hope for houses, there are no doubt some I've forgotten and some in the pipeline.

You live in the valley rocketpig?

Originally posted by Johnnywarren
They did Hathersage mill, Bamford mill, the old pumphouse at Ladybower

What else could these industrial buildings have been used for ?

There is a limit to how many craft shops and tea-rooms an area can support.

At least if a mill gets converted into flats it survives, otherwise it would be left to crumble into the ground, no-one will maintain and empty, unused building.

Originally posted by nick2
What else could these industrial buildings have been used for ?

There is a limit to how many craft shops and tea-rooms an area can support.

At least if a mill gets converted into flats it survives, otherwise it would be left to crumble into the ground, no-one will maintain and empty, unused building.

I know - I agreed with you if you noticed.

I have no problem with them converting the buildings, it's who moves into them that annoys me.

And before you start - yes I do believe that in a small community you should look after the local people and nothing you say will change my opinion on that, if I sound like an inbred redneck - so be it.

exactly, some buildings have no use any more for whatever reason.

My point is that its the wonderful countryside that counts in and around the valley, and that certainly hasn't been spoilt in my view

Originally posted by rocketpig
exactly, some buildings have no use any more for whatever reason.

My point is that its the wonderful countryside that counts in and around the valley, and that certainly hasn't been spoilt in my view

you havent seen those new flats at Hathersage station then!!!!:) :) :)

Originally posted by Johnnywarren
I have no problem with them converting the buildings, it's who moves into them that annoys me.

What should the criteria be then for who is entitled to buy this sought after commodity - the Hope Valley House? I'm genuinely interested in how you would make sure the 'right' people get them?

Originally posted by pete_jim
What should the criteria be then for who is entitled to buy this sought after commodity - the Hope Valley House? I'm genuinely interested in how you would make sure the 'right' people get them?

As I've said, I believe that young locals wishing to stay in the area they have grown up should have a chance to buy property in that area.

I really dont see what's so wrong with that.

Originally posted by Johnnywarren
you havent seen those new flats at Hathersage station then!!!!:) :) :)

I've seen them and know for a fact that at least two of the new occupants are from the immediate area and not 'incomers', so obviously not everyone in the valley thinks on the same lines.

Originally posted by pete_jim
I've seen them and know for a fact that at least two of the new occupants are from the immediate area and not 'incomers', so obviously not everyone in the valley thinks on the same lines.

That wasnt the point I was making.

I simply offered my opinion on them from an aesthetic angle.

Originally posted by Johnnywarren
you havent seen those new flats at Hathersage station then!!!!:) :) :)

I have seen those flats at Hathersage station, next to the gym, can only really see them from the train, they're not blocking anything and....sorry if you're offended but you are wrong if you think they ruin the countryside.

yes i am from the valley.....Bradwell in fact. been to uni, travelled, lived in a few places around the country now living in sheffield where i work

Originally posted by rocketpig
I have seen those flats at Hathersage station, next to the gym, can only really see them from the train, they're not blocking anything and....sorry if you're offended but you are wrong if you think they ruin the countryside.

yes i am from the valley.....Bradwell in fact. been to uni, travelled, lived in a few places around the country now living in sheffield where i work

lol - easy tiger

I don't like them. That doesn't mean no-one else should, just that I don't.

Originally posted by Johnnywarren
I have no problem with them converting the buildings, it's who moves into them that annoys me.


But would the locals want to move into them ?

Assuming all the locals have a house, if you build more houses then the people who move into them are bound to be "outsiders"

Originally posted by Johnnywarren
lol - easy tiger

I don't like them. That doesn't mean no-one else should, just that I don't.

you're more than welcome to not like them, but how do they ruin the counrtyside?......there's a lot worse buildings anyway.

Carbolite in Aston does ruin the countryside however, yes it provides loads of jobs but its such an ugly building and its so visable

Originally posted by nick2
But would the locals want to move into them ?

Assuming all the locals have a house, if you build more houses then the people who move into them are bound to be "outsiders"

The trouble is, housing isn't what you'd call 'affordable'

Maybe that's the locals' own faults for not working harder at school and getting better jobs - who knows??

Originally posted by Johnnywarren
The trouble is, housing isn't what you'd call 'affordable'

Maybe that's the locals' own faults for not working harder at school and getting better jobs - who knows??

But there is no "affordable" housing anywhere these days, it doesn't matter where you live.

Originally posted by rocketpig
you're more than welcome to not like them, but how do they ruin the counrtyside?......there's a lot worse buildings anyway.

Carbolite in Aston does ruin the countryside however, yes it provides loads of jobs but its such an ugly building and its so visable

They ruin it for me when I'm looking in that direction!! But no, I wouldn't say they were as much a blight on the landscape as the cement works or Carbolite - it's a question of tastes, and I didn't realise you'd take my tongue in cheek post so seriously.

Originally posted by nick2
But there is no "affordable" housing anywhere these days, it doesn't matter where you live.

Of course there is. Look at these houses at Parson cross going for next to nowt. HOUSES (http://www.raphaelk.co.uk/web%20pics/Paraguay/first/Asuncion/Shanty.jpg)

Originally posted by nick2
But there is no "affordable" housing anywhere these days, it doesn't matter where you live.

No you're perhaps right.

But I still believe that more should be done to enable young people to stay in the area in which they grew up (countrywide - not just the hope valley of course)

But that doesn't mean I'd like everyone in the valley to be able to prove that 4 generations of their family have lived there either.

I guess the answer is for the locals to buy and do-up these buildings, that way they can decide who they get sold to ?

Also, they could be sold at a reasonable price if the investors in the project wern't only interested in making as much money as possible.

Originally posted by nick2
I guess the answer is for the locals to buy and do-up these buildings, that way they can decide who they get sold to ?

Also, they could be sold at a reasonable price if the investors in the project wern't only interested in making as much money as possible.

Yep you're absolutely right Nick, good thinking.

In the meantime, I'll carry on admiring the view from my window every day, and be thankful I don't just get a few hours pleasure once a month from driving out and looking at it, while dreaming of a life away from Sheffield.

:thumbsup:

Originally posted by Johnnywarren
Yep you're absolutely right Nick, good thinking.

In the meantime, I'll carry on admiring the view from my window every day, and be thankful I don't just get a few hours pleasure once a month from driving out and looking at it, while dreaming of a life away from Sheffield.

:thumbsup:

Hope you don't think we all want to live in Bamford. I wouldn't move from where we are as we walk to work almost every day in 12 mins. I wouldn't swap that for any view if it meant commuting again. I'd love a spectacular view, we've come close to moving for one recently but the advantages and situation where we are at the moment ultimately outweighed it.

Originally posted by pete_jim
Hope you don't think we all want to live in Bamford. I wouldn't move from where we are as we walk to work almost every day in 12 mins. I wouldn't swap that for any view if it meant commuting again. I'd love a spectacular view, we've come close to moving for one recently but the advantages and situation where we are at the moment ultimately outweighed it.

Of course not (some clown earler called it a 'dump' - he must live in a mighty fine place!!) but you all failed to see my point, or gave my opinions any consideration.

Fair enough - I might have started off by saying the wrong thing (using the term yuppies was a little silly) but my opinions are not that wide of the mark - I know the Peak Park do insist that new developments do indeed offer 'affordable' housing - but that usually means one little box flat hidden away somewhere.

90% of people that move into small villages appreciate the places, and become part of the community - it's the 10% that don't that give me the right hump - I make no apologies for my views on these people.

Originally posted by Johnnywarren
Of course not (some clown earler called it a 'dump' - he must live in a mighty fine place!!) but you all failed to see my point, or gave my opinions any consideration.

Fair enough - I might have started off by saying the wrong thing (using the term yuppies was a little silly) but my opinions are not that wide of the mark - I know the Peak Park do insist that new developments do indeed offer 'affordable' housing - but that usually means one little box flat hidden away somewhere.

90% of people that move into small villages appreciate the places, and become part of the community - it's the 10% that don't that give me the right hump - I make no apologies for my views on these people.

90% of locals appreciate that people come and go, and lead their own lives - its the 10% that don't that give me the right hump

Originally posted by MumphitMan
The hotel on the Hathersage to Hope road is quickly becoming a ruin. Surely this cannot happen in the peak district with all the planning laws and presevation orders etc. Think the owners are waiting for it to get into such a bad state that they will be "forced" to build some overprice luxury housing on the site at a great profit to themselves. Surely there is something the council could do? (Yes I know its Derbyshire council)Probably line their own pockets!

it should be demolished and replaced with a nice shopping mall

Originally posted by Johnnywarren
Yep you're absolutely right Nick, good thinking.

In the meantime, I'll carry on admiring the view from my window every day, and be thankful I don't just get a few hours pleasure once a month from driving out and looking at it, while dreaming of a life away from Sheffield.

:thumbsup:

Dont brag about the view. Some prat of a politition has suggested that views from houses should be taxed as part of the counciltax. In future all houses built in Nation parks will not have windows. i tjhink whoever it was must have found a history book and read about the old window tax.

Originally posted by viking
Of course there is. Look at these houses at Parson cross going for next to nowt. HOUSES (http://www.raphaelk.co.uk/web%20pics/Paraguay/first/Asuncion/Shanty.jpg)
And it has an en-suite loo in the extension LOO (http://www.skills.net.au/roadshow/images/loo.jpg)

Originally posted by prioryx
Dont brag about the view. Some prat of a politition has suggested that views from houses should be taxed as part of the counciltax. In future all houses built in Nation parks will not have windows. i tjhink whoever it was must have found a history book and read about the old window tax.

Aye I read that - they do well enough out of us with council tax as it is (well - what council doesn't?) but it doesn't surprise me.

I know this is a bit off thread but they are going to put higher council tax ratings on houses with things like off road parking and garages. Is it me or is this madness? Tax the ones that occupy public spaces like roadsides and pavements. They are penalising people who make an effort to keep their cars secure and off road.

Originally posted by pete_jim
They are penalising people who make an effort to keep their cars secure and off road.

Whereas you want to penalise people who happen to live in terrace houses ?

Don't people with drives/garages get cheaper car insurance than on-road parkers ?

The car insurance cost is hardly any different to be honest.

I do not want to penalise people who live in terraced houses but IMO the parking of cars on the roadside and pavements is one of the great blights of this age.

I don't think that our roads can take a lot more roadside parking particularly in areas like Crookes and Broomhill, witness the growing number of parking space rage incidents, including posts on here.

Even when I lived in a one bedroomed flat, and then in a terraced house I only looked at ones that had off road parking as a minimum requirement.

However, as we live in a society where people increasingly believe that they have a birthright that includes doing whatever want with no regard to other peoples welfare, feelings, quality of life........I realise that I am p@>&%*g in the wind.

Originally posted by pete_jim
I know this is a bit off thread but they are going to put higher council tax ratings on houses with things like off road parking and garages. Is it me or is this madness? Tax the ones that occupy public spaces like roadsides and pavements. They are penalising people who make an effort to keep their cars secure and off road.

I don't know what it's like around Sheffield, but you'll no doubt have seen the state of Bamford main road if you've driven through - the main road is a single lane due to all the cars parked on the road. And every single house has 2 off-road spaces! As was already mentioned in this thread Bamford's a busy road, even with two lanes - but it's become ridiculous.

(don't worry - I don't want cars banned from the valley as well!! ;) )

It is such a shame to see the old place in such a state, but surely, it would look much nicer if it was cared for, and if that means turning it into flats - then so be it. However, it sounds as if the place is unsafe due to the flooding & damp, so I guess it will have to be demolished. If it were a listed building - would it have been allowed to get into such a bad condition - probably not. We can only hope that the geezer who has bought it will build something sympathetic to the surroundings!

Originally posted by sultana
It is such a shame to see the old place in such a state, but surely, it would look much nicer if it was cared for, and if that means turning it into flats - then so be it. However, it sounds as if the place is unsafe due to the flooding & damp, so I guess it will have to be demolished. If it were a listed building - would it have been allowed to get into such a bad condition - probably not. We can only hope that the geezer who has bought it will build something sympathetic to the surroundings!

This (http://www.peakdistrict.org/ctte/planning/reports/2003/030725Item7-7.pdf) is the planning application, you can see they turned it down because there are already so many similar developments in the valley, and have recommended that a third of the proposed dwellings be 'affordable properties' for local residents.

I'm pleased about this, and to be honest the main thing is to get that lovely old building restored rather than laying in the state it is now.

I have to say though - the location isn't the best, you're on a busy road, and the petrol station aside, in the middle of nowhere - It would certainly make me think twice if I was looking for a £300k apartment.

I thought they were overdoing the prices on the ones near Ladybower to be honest. I don't think any of them have a proper view of the reservoir and for most of the year when dusk falls there are swarms of black midge type things eating you alive. Didn't see any of that in the brochure.

Originally posted by pete_jim
I thought they were overdoing the prices on the ones near Ladybower to be honest. I don't think any of them have a proper view of the reservoir and for most of the year when dusk falls there are swarms of black midge type things eating you alive. Didn't see any of that in the brochure.

No, I thought that myself. I think they were very clever with the marketing, in that you were made to think you'd have This view (http://www.peakdistrict-nationalpark.info/_images/_pictures/tl49.jpg) when really you're in a pretty dingy location sat underneath Bamford edge.

They're nice apartments, don't get me wrong - but again, they're well out of the way of the village itself.

A new planning application has been made in August for the redeveopment of the Marquis of Granby!

Click Here (http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:K_grTVfWuFIJ:peakresources.gemini.t itaninternet.co.uk/ctte/planning/reports/2006/060818Item6-1.pdf+marquis+of+granby+derbyshire&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4)

It is time to accept this site needs redevelopment as it is such an 'eyesore' and it is a shame to see such a sad, sorry state of a building in the prominent position it holds!

I hope something is agreed soon!

:thumbsup:

A new planning application has been made in August for the redeveopment of the Marquis of Granby!

Click Here (http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:K_grTVfWuFIJ:peakresources.gemini.t itaninternet.co.uk/ctte/planning/reports/2006/060818Item6-1.pdf+marquis+of+granby+derbyshire&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4)

It is time to accept this site needs redevelopment as it is such an 'eyesore' and it is a shame to see such a sad, sorry state of a building in the prominent position it holds!

I hope something is agreed soon!

:thumbsup:

If the rumours are true, then the new owners of the Marquis should do very nicely, having owned the Sir Willy at Grindleford, and The Barrel at Bretton previously.

Fingers crossed!

If the rumours are true, then the new owners of the Marquis should do very nicely, having owned the Sir Willy at Grindleford, and The Barrel at Bretton previously.

Fingers crossed!

I wonder what they can do that the previous owners didn't ?

I wonder what they can do that the previous owners didn't ?

In fairness, the last owners were winding the Marquis down for years

but as long as its a pleasant comfortable hotel - they can't fail

I know for certain that there are hundreds of coach operators crying out for a hotel in the valley big enough to accomodate them, as now they have to stay in Chesterfield/Buxton/Sheffield in order to visit the Peaks - and put that with all the business trade, and the day trippers/private weekenders it should do nicely.

I '' went down on one knee '' to my now wife in 1974 in the car park.

I thought, at that time, to go any further would have been somewhat presumptuous.

In fairness, the last owners were winding the Marquis down for years

but as long as its a pleasant comfortable hotel - they can't fail

I know for certain that there are hundreds of coach operators crying out for a hotel in the valley big enough to accomodate them, as now they have to stay in Chesterfield/Buxton/Sheffield in order to visit the Peaks - and put that with all the business trade, and the day trippers/private weekenders it should do nicely.

The problem with coach parties is that the hotel makes next to nothing from it, which is why a lot of hotels won't take coach parties.

Does anyone have a photo of what the building looks like now ................. aint been past there in years.

I remember many many years ago going to the auction when the Marquis of Granby was sold, lock, stock and barrel. It went for £100,000 — when money was really money!

Shiesh stated that in August 2006 new planning permission was sought for the Marquis of Granby.
Does anyone know what became of it?
The place looks even worse now than ever!

I've found a few pics of the hotel showing the mess that it is in.
http://tinyurl.com/26qday

Check on page 1 of the posting .

Shiesh stated that in August 2006 new planning permission was sought for the Marquis of Granby.
Does anyone know what became of it?
The place looks even worse now than ever!

As far as I know the Peak park are still holding firm, that's why the lad that owns it keeps having the place smashed up. Mind you, there's always folk in there robbing pipes and stuff, which won't help either.

It worked with the Hathersage inn, I'm sure they'll give in over the Marquis as well.

Peak Park is a joke , there is no common sense to how they work . I agree to not building houses and flats everywhere , but that building is crying out to be redeveloped into apartments.

Peak Park is a joke , there is no common sense to how they work . I agree to not building houses and flats everywhere , but that building is crying out to be redeveloped into apartments.

I think the problem is that he wants em all as luxury apartments, while the peak park insist on some of them being affordable housing for locals.

Hi
been past there today. what an eyesore!
the buildings at the back have recently been demolished.
im back there this fri i think and i'll get pics and post them.
Dean

I heard the Marquis had been bought by Peel Holdings the Company who bought, and sold, Sheffield Airport, and look what a f***up they made of that.

I can still remember being driven past the Marquis of Granby many times when I was a nipper, and I always dreampt of living there, having it converted to a large family home...........such a beautiful old building......so sad to see it's demise.

Used to go out there for a few drinks in the week when I was 18. It was a lovely place (character wise) and for something different.

I'd love to buy that place. Ah well, dreams.:rolleyes:

A new planning application has been made in August for the redeveopment of the Marquis of Granby!

Click Here (http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:K_grTVfWuFIJ:peakresources.gemini.t itaninternet.co.uk/ctte/planning/reports/2006/060818Item6-1.pdf+marquis+of+granby+derbyshire&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4)

It is time to accept this site needs redevelopment as it is such an 'eyesore' and it is a shame to see such a sad, sorry state of a building in the prominent position it holds!

I hope something is agreed soon!

:thumbsup:


Latest applications resubmitted in October 2006

Here (http://resources.peakdistrict.gov.uk/ctte/authority/reports/2006/061006Item7-1.pdf)!!

Latest applications resubmitted in October 2006

Here (http://resources.peakdistrict.gov.uk/ctte/authority/reports/2006/061006Item7-1.pdf)!!

How long does an applicant have to wait ?

I lived in Bamford for 20 years and the Marquis was always a dump. I say let the market decide. Bamford needs more development and more houses (esp. smaller houses) to reinvigorate the village. There are plenty of underused and shabby facilities in the village that could benefit from som section 106 contributions e.g. Institute, the Rec etc

I never went much but yep, it was a dump. The locals that I know seem to hold the same opinion as higgins... it's only the comers-in that don't want the place to change.

I can't see much point in having an C18th village with C18th jobs. It's about time that the Valley had some new blood and a bit of regeneration.

Post edited......

The Marquis of Granby which is the subject of this thread is not the one I referred to in the original post. :)

Silly me! :o :hihi:

I don't see what is wrong with turning it into flats. It might have worked as a coaching inn if we all still went to Manchester in a coach and four, we don't.

I also think that turning it into flats would be about the best option. But coaching inns can succeed if they move with the times. Just down the road, The George at Hathersage is an old coaching inn, and despite the absence of the mail coach trade it makes a healthy profit (albeit for the Best Western group - people who know how to run hotels). It seems that the former owners of the Marquis of Granby were doing something wrong if they couldn't make a profit, given the superb location etc. My wife and I spent our honeymoon at The George in March. It was superb. Not cheap - 160 quid a night for a four-poster room - but the welcome was warm, the food fantastic, the staff attentive but unobtrusive, and everything about the place was just right. And in the car park were two Jaguars, a Rolls and a Mercedes sports car (not to mention our Micra...). So whoever ran the Marquis must have had the wrong ideas about running a hotel. So why not turn it into flats? The planning authority presumably know why not, but eventually it will fall down, so they will hardly have done the Peak District a favour by denying planning permission.

I was quite surprised when driving past this week to see that a large part of this hotel has now been demolished, with just the left hand building still standing.

Like I stated regarding old buildings in my previous thread about strines, its a crying shame this is allowed to happen it was just a fantastic building.:mad:

I was quite surprised when driving past this week to see that a large part of this hotel has now been demolished, with just the left hand building still standing.

Aye that's the listed part - he's not allowed to touch that (although in reality we're all waiting for a crane to "accidentally" demolish it....)

It's about time it was fixed up though, hopefully it wont be long.

Think you'll find that none of the structure is listed! The reason it was empty for so long (& has now been demolished) is that it no longer complied with fire regs. or disabled access requirements. The nature of its build also meant that it could not be altered to comply with the new regulations. When I worked in the Valley 30 odd years ago we used to call in every night after work for a game of pool and a pint or two (this was after the Travellers at Brough, and before the George in Hathersage) wonderful place & shame its gone, but times they are a'changin'.

Has it all gone now?

Has it all gone now?

Nope-went past today. All gutted but main building is still there.

Aye that's the listed part - he's not allowed to touch that (although in reality we're all waiting for a crane to "accidentally" demolish it....)No it'll accidently burn down. Bed nightclub anyone?

Well to be fair in its latter years it was a total dump.

Think you'll find that none of the structure is listed! The reason it was empty for so long (& has now been demolished) is that it no longer complied with fire regs. or disabled access requirements. The nature of its build also meant that it could not be altered to comply with the new regulations. When I worked in the Valley 30 odd years ago we used to call in every night after work for a game of pool and a pint or two (this was after the Travellers at Brough, and before the George in Hathersage) wonderful place & shame its gone, but times they are a'changin'.

Why would they leave the main building if they didn't have to then?

Why would they leave the main building if they didn't have to then?

I reckon they should extend the Ladybower and sink the lot so us Sheffield folk can have more clean water!! :hihi:

I reckon they should extend the Ladybower and sink the lot so us Sheffield folk can have more clean water!! :hihi:

Aye but if the Hope Valley's flooded what will the people of Sheffield do with their litter? Where will they drive it to at weekends?

I reckon they should extend the Ladybower and sink the lot so us Sheffield folk can have more clean water!! :hihi:

I don't think Ladbower supplies Sheffield so that wouldn't help.
I think Ladybower supplies Derby And Nottingham

I didn't think it supplied anywhere anymore?

Why would they leave the main building if they didn't have to then?

Don't know what is intended for the site but I believe the Peak Park Planning Board have been pretty insistent on the main building (shell) being retained. Also they would prefer it to be used for a purpose that would benefit the community.

I don't think Ladbower supplies Sheffield so that wouldn't help.
I think Ladybower supplies Derby And Nottingham

Just winding Ally up, he doesn't like outsiders in the Valley, especially townies :hihi:

Ladybower is owned by Trent Water and supplies water to the midlands i believe.

Just winding Ally up, he doesn't like outsiders in the Valley, especially townies :hihi:

Ladybower is owned by Trent Water and supplies water to the midlands i believe.

IIRC it does supply the East Midlands, but not very often, being mainly a water control reservoir for the other two reservoirs which do supply water.
Could be wrong though as I can't remember where I got that from - could be the signage on the top of the dam.

The Marquis of granby is being developed into a 'luxury 4* Hilton hotel' the listed part will be worked into the design of the hotel. marquisofgranbyhotel.co.uk/

Does anyone know who the main contractor is?

There's a thread somewhere.

Not sure who the contractors are though.

Hilton have pulled out of this now, i know the man who owns it, hes looking for another investor and making it look better for now.

I've briefly read this thread and have seen a lot of guff written about the old place and even worse the previous owners and the valley as a whole.
I used to work there and I'm not going to say it was the best place in the world. It was shabby but by no means a dump. I have spoken to many people who have fond memories of being there. Everything from the discos in the 60's and 70's to weddings. The previous owners were not "running it down" or anything of the sort. There is a lot of back story to the demise of the Marquis. It was part of a group and the others in the group went under transferring their debts to the then profitable Marquis. I'll let you work the rest out. The previous owners were and still are great people. If you dont know them DONT make comment. By doing this you show what small minded bigots you really are.
As for the "local" people. We are happy to see the place developed but not into "luxury" apartments as has been done to the old pumpworks at Yorkshire Bridge. A hotel would be great to see and great for the economy of the valley. Bring it on. Having said that, if you dont like the Hope Valley, dont visit. Turn the car round and pay go to Rother Valley or Clumber Park.
Anyway, rant over. Its a shame to see the old place in that state and I sincerely hope new investors can be found. It would be a shame to see a landmark like the Marquis go to total ruin.

I've briefly read this thread and have seen a lot of guff written about the old place and even worse the previous owners and the valley as a whole.
I used to work there and I'm not going to say it was the best place in the world. It was shabby but by no means a dump. I have spoken to many people who have fond memories of being there. Everything from the discos in the 60's and 70's to weddings. The previous owners were not "running it down" or anything of the sort. There is a lot of back story to the demise of the Marquis. It was part of a group and the others in the group went under transferring their debts to the then profitable Marquis. I'll let you work the rest out. The previous owners were and still are great people. If you dont know them DONT make comment. By doing this you show what small minded bigots you really are.
As for the "local" people. We are happy to see the place developed but not into "luxury" apartments as has been done to the old pumpworks at Yorkshire Bridge. A hotel would be great to see and great for the economy of the valley. Bring it on. Having said that, if you dont like the Hope Valley, dont visit. Turn the car round and pay go to Rother Valley or Clumber Park.
Anyway, rant over. Its a shame to see the old place in that state and I sincerely hope new investors can be found. It would be a shame to see a landmark like the Marquis go to total ruin.

Good post, I'm not a HV lad but spend a lot of time there. When CCC wanted to open a super store with an outside camping section, I thought it to be a great idea for local employment, I reckon that it's not who you know, rather who you bung.

I'm a Totley lad who levitates towards the Peak Park/Hope Valley, I appreciate what you guys are going through employment wise, I'm truly on your side. :thumbsup:

Ideally it should be turned into affordable housing for the people in the local area. Having lived in the Hope Valley until I came to uni, in Sheffield, the price of housing in the area is expensive, affordable housing would be much more benificial to the local comunity than a hotel.

I hear that. However, the "affordable" housing isnt that cheap either. I've just had to buy in Sheffield which was more cheaper.

Ideally it should be turned into affordable housing for the people in the local area. Having lived in the Hope Valley until I came to uni, in Sheffield, the price of housing in the area is expensive, affordable housing would be much more benificial to the local comunity than a hotel.No good building more affordable housing if there's nowhere to work and people end up on benefits.A hotel will bring much needed employment and spending into the area,otherwise the valley will just die and be given over to retirees or the wealthy commuters.Tourism is the only Peak District way forward.

Ideally it should be turned into affordable housing for the people in the local area. Having lived in the Hope Valley until I came to uni, in Sheffield, the price of housing in the area is expensive, affordable housing would be much more benificial to the local comunity than a hotel.

Is it true that "affordable housing" is intended for the Garden Centre down the road in a 4million pound joint venture?

http://www.marquisofgranbyhotel.co.uk/

Don't know if this link has already been posted as I may have missed it..apologies if thats the case.

Last time I went past the MoG site I'm sure there was only part of the building standing and the main ballroom..bar etc..had gone!

Pass this Hotel on way to Ladybower - shame what has happend. There's always a bonfire burning nearby! The chap who built that new stone wall did an excellent job of it.
Sign of the times that the scheme has stopped half way through. I agree with dantheman10 about the need for affordable housing, Hope Valley, as in most parts of rural Derbyshire really need affordable housing desperately for the locals to be able to stay put...

I once got chased out of there by a bunch of angry hairy bikers. Who da guessed it was a biker den in disguise

Just winding Ally up, he doesn't like outsiders in the Valley, especially townies :hihi:

Ladybower is owned by Trent Water and supplies water to the midlands i believe.

Ladybower was originally constructed to supply water to Liverpool.
Seems unlikely but it is true nonetheless.