There are 2 crash sites from wartime missiles on midhope moors one is a V1 flying bomb, what is the other? the blast area is at least 4 times bigger than a V1 and all the wreckage is aluminumn its definatly not aircraft there are no rivets, nor anything else that resembles aircraft wreckage,( pipes bakelite glass rubber wood screws etc) bomb craters usually have steel splinters surrounding the area and there are none.
The blast area is wide and shallow which might indicate a surface explosion as per parachute mine but i have a few recogniseable pieces and these dont match with anything either allied or axis which was air dropped can you help this has been a mystery of mine for 30 years.
map ref 185 965

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w17/rh200/V1crateronFeatherbedMoss.jpg
Hello Spartan. The place you refer to is a V1 crash site, it gradually filled with peat and water so is now quite level. Where is the other one please?

Hiya CAT,
At reference 183971 is the V1 water filled crater i have wreckage which confirms the crash site, at 185965 about half a mile away is the unknown explosion site i also have wreckage from this area non of which is recogniseable as being from aircraft although its aluminium, its almost certainly been in a massive blast due to the damage i have the remains of what look like 3 fins and hydraulic fittings, no parts have rivets, theres no wiring, steel, bakelite, rubber or indeed anything else that might suggest aircraft.
This reference in many books is marked as a V1 although R Colliers book Dark Peak Wrecks classes it as "unknown"

Thanks Spartan. I haven't been to 183971 but if the weather is OK this week I will go and give it a good looking at. The photo I posted is supposed to be the V1 site at 185965.

GHOST FLIERS

Originally published in Supernatural Peak District (Robert Hale: London, 1999)



'It was so vivid. It was just like being on a runway. You were just like planted on a runway and a plane was coming straight for you and you are in the way, that's what it was like.'

A Sheffield woman called Doreen Ashall described will never forget the 'ghost plane' which turned an ordinary day out into a magical mystery tour. Doreen had been on a day-trip to Derbyshire with her husband Gordon, their daughter and son-in-law. The family were travelling in the Ashall's four wheeled drive and had reached a crossroads at Grindleford when they saw what Doreen described as 'a huge old plane' flying low in the sky, and apparently heading straight towards them. Gordon, who was driving, almost went into a ditch and Doreen said she was tempted to duck her head as the plane swooped silently above the startled foursome before disappearing from sight. The couple were so certain the plane would have collided with one of the nearby rocky fells if it had continued in its flightpath that they stopped at a nearby cafe and alerted the police in Chesterfield. The duty officer checked with local airports and reported back to the puzzled family that 'there was no record of any aircraft in the vicinity at that time.'

The Ashalls were left with an experience that was both striking and real to them but for which there was no obvious explanation. Doreen said: 'It was definitely real and I saw everything and no one can tell me did not see it. I'm sure I saw what I saw.'

Equally sure was a Chesterfield man called Tony Ingle, who was so puzzled by what he saw in the sky over the Peak District that he contacted a local newspaper. Tony was enjoying a holiday break at a caravan park at Hope when he decided to take his golden retriever Ben for a walk one sunny April afternoon in 1995. As they strolled along leafy Aston Lane, Tony suddenly put a foot backwards in time...and was astounded to see what appeared to be a wartime aircraft flying between forty and sixty feet in the air above him.

'It was very eerie...I could see the propellers going round but there was no sound,' Tony said. 'It was getting lower and lower and I thought "crikey, this thing's going to crash..." It was bizarre...I could see it was banking as if trying to turn, and then it seemed to go down just over a hedge. I ran up the lane to see if I could see anything. I expected a plane to be in the field but there was nothing...just lambs and sheep. Everything was silent, you could hear a pin drop...the best way I can describe it was as if someone had died; it was terrible, a very eerie sensation.'

Tony has been back to Aston Lane many times but Ben refuses to go anywhere near the field where the plane appeared to crash. 'He just cowers and won't budge and the only time I tried to pull him along he just slipped his collar,' he said. Before his experience, Tony did not believe in ghosts but now he is not so sure. 'I have racked my brains for a logical explanation but I can't find one. I can't explain it; I saw that plane all right, and it disappeared before my eyes.'

Coincidentally Tony's sighting came just a short while after plaques commemorating two wartime tragedies, which claimed the lives of a dozen Allied airmen, were unveiled in the hills of the Peak. The air crashes, just two of fifty separate accidents which have claimed the lives of more than two hundred pilots and crew since the Second World War, have added to the sinister reputation of the mountains among fliers. These tragedies of half a century ago have become woven into local folklore and have more recently provided the backdrop to a string of reports describing 'ghostplanes' which have baffled both the emergency services who have responded to calls of crashing planes and local historians who have struggled to explain them.

For experiences of Tony Ingle and the Ashall family are certainly not unique. Over the last ten years the high moors between Sheffield and Manchester have become the scene of dozens of sightings of phantom planes. They are generally described as large, prop-driven machines of Second World War vintage, make no noise and vanish before the eyes of startled witnesses, often leaving them with the impression that the plane has 'crashed.' A number of witnesses have said that the plane they saw was so low they instinctively felt the urge to 'duck' their heads as it passed overhead. No sign of a crash has ever been found when searches have been carried out by the police and mountain rescue teams.



Aviation historians who have studied the reports have said the description given by Tony Ingle in particular resembles a WW2 vintage C-47 Dakota or a Wellington bomber. Strangely enough, there have been crashes of both types of aircraft in the same area of the Peak District within living memory which have claimed the lives of air crew from several nations. Almost exactly half a century before Tony Ingle's sighting, on 24 July 1945, a Dakota crashed into the Peakland hills with the loss of all six US aircrew and an RAF passenger travelling on the plane. The C-47 came to grief above Shelf Moor near Glossop on a routine supply trip from Leicester to Scotland. Captain George Johnson ignored advice which suggested he should fly up the East Coast to avoid deteriorating weather. Instead he took a short cut across the Pennine mountains and became lost and disorientated in mist before the plane crashed into the crags of Bleaklow.

Of the existing Dakotas still operating today, just one is flown by the RAF and 11 are operated by Air Atlantique which runs the largest civilian Dakota operation in the world. A film crew who made a mini-documentary on the ghostplane mystery ran checks with the company and were able to establish that none of these planes were airborne at the time of Tony's sighting. The single Dakota operated by the RAF was flying that day, but was more than 150 miles away at the time.

Sadly the forum doesn't give space for the whole article (it being 26,500 characters long!)

About two years ago, a friend related a very similar story. After work, he went for a spin on his motorbike along the winding roads of The Peak District. It was a lovely Summer evening as he left Hathersage, rode under the railway bridge, over the River Derwent and had just passed The Plough Pub when his pillion passenger slapped his shoulder. They both saw what he described as a WW2 type of aircraft, so close they could see its rivets and so low it caused them to duck. The plane disappeared over some trees and assuming it had crashed, turned the bike around and made for the field. Nothing could be found, no wreckage, no fire, just a few cows munching grass.

Hi cat
if you have a walk up cut-gate let me know if you want company, but I can't make this week or any Tuesday.

Just wondering if anyone else has seen it before? Saw it ages ago when i went to thornbridge as a kid and its always been in my mind. Looked out the window of the coach into the sky and I saw an old WW plane above, turned away for a second to tell everyone, turned back to look at it and it just dissapeared! Never have believed in Ghosts and still dont, but what i saw that day was rather strange and inexplainable :|

Anyone else had an experience like this?

Every single night. Sometimes a pink elephant is the pilot. Flys around my head too!

Every single night. Sometimes a pink elephant is the pilot. Flys around my head too!

You never cease to make me smile. Cheers Rampent.:hihi:

You never cease to make me smile. Cheers Rampent.:hihi:

Your welcome!

I've camped out in the peaks too many times to count, i've never seen a ghost plane though. :suspect:

I've camped out in the peaks too many times to count, i've never seen a ghost plane though. :suspect:

Your sat on the wrong heath.

Iv heard many stories about it but never seen it. Some say its linked to the sheffield incident of 1997 where a ufo was seen, followed by military jets, which then supposedly crashed but was denied and covered up by the government.

See here.... http://www.militaryairshows.co.uk/unex6.htm

to see it you need to be out there around sep - oct around 7am with a belly full of those little mushrooms that grow around there ?

I was gonna try stella artoir, but come to think about it the mushrooms will be better, can you get me some??

When I was around 18 years old, me and my flatmate were walking to the petrol station along Edmund Road.
I looked back and in the sky coming towards us at speed was a white light.
As it got closer we ran to the garage, just before I got under the canopy of the garage I saw what looked to be a black cargo plane (http://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=File:C-123.jpg&filetimestamp=20100219223224), fly directly over us heading towards town.

I got home and reported it to the police, I had to report it as a ufo as I was unsure about whether I had seen a plane, it was night, I was looking at a black plane like silhouette on a black night background, but reported it as a ufo because I wasn't sure.
The police lady re-assured me that I'm not the only one to have reported this kind of phenomena and they believe that drug barons use low flying camouflaged cargo planes to drop drugs from.

After looking it up it turns out that the ghost planes are more common (http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/03/16/20100316mexico-drug-smugglers-planes.html) than ufo sighting.

Just wondering if anyone else has seen it before? Saw it ages ago when i went to thornbridge as a kid and its always been in my mind. Looked out the window of the coach into the sky and I saw an old WW plane above, turned away for a second to tell everyone, turned back to look at it and it just dissapeared! Never have believed in Ghosts and still dont, but what i saw that day was rather strange and inexplainable :|

Anyone else had an experience like this?

last time i was out on moors i saw a ghost plane huge white thing i even took notes about the details of it like it said easy jet on rear was so scary too i havent slept with lights of since

Just wondering if anyone else has seen it before? Saw it ages ago when i went to thornbridge as a kid and its always been in my mind. Looked out the window of the coach into the sky and I saw an old WW plane above, turned away for a second to tell everyone, turned back to look at it and it just dissapeared! Never have believed in Ghosts and still dont, but what i saw that day was rather strange and inexplainable :|

Anyone else had an experience like this?

I saw it too in may 1995 while walking on crags above hathersage.sunny day around mid afternoon, just for a couple of seconds, not been drinking and never done drugs, world war 2 plane, very dark grey. think 2 engines under each wing, very weird experience. no noise either despite very still and quiet day. I believe you saw it too. take no notice of anyone else, never believed this stuff myself till this experience.

Oh i've seen something i couldn't explain, full account is on here actually, i've just never seen this particular "ghost plane".

Oh i've seen something i couldn't explain, full account is on here actually, i've just never seen this particular "ghost plane".

Which 'heath' was this from mate?

Oh i've seen something i couldn't explain, full account is on here actually, i've just never seen this particular "ghost plane".

There isn't any one particular ghost plane, there are fleets of them, of all different types.
It's not just us in the UK that spot them either, they have been spotted (as ufo sightings) all over the planet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8iWO12H1dE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzhb17FSXv4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_weIYOdCFc4

The US appear to be tackling these drug planes, some have to land, some have cargo holds that can be opened and the drugs dropped onto land/water.

http://www.thisisnottingham.co.uk/news/Sugar-dropped-plane-dummy-drugs-run/article-1116930-detail/article.html

I was gonna try stella artoir, but come to think about it the mushrooms will be better, can you get me some??


not this time of year but hear they sell mexican mushys in the forum in town ???

suposed to be mind bending :hihi::help:

wait till octberish and go pick some lay flat between some old news paper in a airing cubby and dry out can then be ground in to a powder and saved over time :roll:

My dad saw it, must be 15 years ago, on the way to Catleton, just after the railway bridge near the Poachers arms.

He was in a van with another colleague when he said he looked out of the window to see a WW2 plane flying low. It made no noise and then disappered behind them out of view. They thought it had crashed and stopped the van to take a look but there was nothing there.

He didn't even believe that sort of stuff and I still don't think he ever did.

At the exact spot where they saw it, on the dry stone wall, is a small memorial plaque to some aircrew that lost their lives at that spot.