http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/Is-this-Sheffield39s-worst-estate.3787284.jp

Well I personaly dont beleve police figures ect, I think that thecouncil probably have an agenda here and the police are giving them the bullets for it.

Where I live we were reported as the worst area in sheffield and it was used to know parts of the estate down. How many times do we here the Manor or the wybourn, win gardens ect is the worst place to live ?

I have found from personal experiance that the police are very reluctant to put a report of a crime on a file and if possible will talk you out of even making a report. All it takes is for police to take reports of crime serious enough to add it to the figures and you have an instant bad area.

we have the same crimes all over sheffield that happen at gleadless and a lot dosent come to light due to people having zero confidence in the police. Its there if you want to look for it .

It is Gleadless Valley not Gleadless, The Star is referring to, these are 2 seperate estates & this should be clarified, this report is not only about police figures, read it correctly & you will see this

"Worst areas" change over a very short time.

Norfolk Park used to be a notoriously bad area until the council demolished most of the council flats and they were replaced with private properties. Anti social types who would have been placed in the flats on Norfolk Park are now having to be placed elsewhere and at the moment Gleadless Valley seems to be the place. (Presumably because it is the council estate with the largest number of flats now.)

There are some honest people up there, for example last year I lost my wallet in Town, it was found by an old bloke who lived on Gleadless Valley, he found my address and phone number on the folded up copy of my CV which was in my wallet and rang my Dad at home to say he'd found it.

I actually did a thread on here to thank him and that his honesty had restored my faith in human kindness but the thread got pulled because some fool (you know who you are!) decided it would be fun to troll and bait me on it.

It is Gleadless Valley not Gleadless, The Star is referring to, these are 2 seperate estates & this should be clarified, this report is not only about police figures, read it correctly & you will see this

Forgive my ignorance but to the adverage bloke reading that , gleadless is gleadless.

and as for it not just being about police figures , well I dont doubt there is more too it but what im saying is that police crime detection of areas seems to be turned on and off and figure seem to pop up out of the blue just as the counsil need reason to look for funding and investment or want places reduced to rubble.

Maybe its good news for gleadless (valley or the other one ) and it will get the extra investment that the likes of pitsmoor ect have received ( probably not but its the thought that counts )

lived in the valley for 30 odd years, now live at top end. mum and dad still live there and have done for 40 odd years. is NOT that bad. made me livid to read the star today. yes there are some idiot scum that live there and things are not perfect but for gods sake its no worse than anywhere else. not all people are jobless. some families work and some kids are great. they took little incidents and blown them up. and herdings is not in the valley anyway. the landlady of the blackstock serves a lot of the idiots and then complains.

the council have to take the blame for some of this for they put problem families and people on the valley and let them get away with everything, keep a diary they say if you complain, to what ends for they do nothing about it. they put the problems there. but gleadless valley is not as bad as is being portrayed. do not believe all of it. every area has these problems. :rant::rant::rant::rant:

Maybe its good news for gleadless (valley or the other one ) and it will get the extra investment that the likes of pitsmoor ect have received ( probably not but its the thought that counts )

* £200,000 is being invested in community safety, providing four neighbourhood wardens dedicated to the area.

* Youths are being targeted with more activities, £60,000 is being spent on equipment for teenagers in Herdings Park, Sheffield Futures is increasing outreach work and £8,000 is paying for youth work training so more people can give assistance.

* Investment in parks and green spaces in Gleadless Valley has been doubled and the council is working with retailers towards improvements to shopping centres

* Health problems are being tackled by providing advice to girls about contraception, an "enhanced public health programme" and giving greater assistance to elderly and vulnerable residents to reduce hospital admissions.

lived in the valley for 30 odd years, now live at top end. mum and dad still live there and have done for 40 odd years. is NOT that bad.


apparently it is, why on earth would the police and council make figures up?? the police are busy enough without inventing crimes to investigate!

if a person calls the police saying they have been assaulted, victim of criminal damage, public order offence, then the police will investigate it as such. If after the investigation is complete a suspect is not located, it will still be reported as crime. This is due to National Crime Recording Standards, and this is implememented by the goverment. This applies to every area in Sheffield/ the uk. so if the figures state gleadless valley is the worst/ one ofthe worst estates in Sheffield.... then there has to be truth there.

Coincidentally enough I am just reading a book for Uni called Poverty Street (to do with Neighbourhood decline and renewal - 2003), and one of the twelve areas in the country used in the survey was the Valley.

crime moves like a wave across a city, norton next?

I suppose it's down to personal experience, I lived on the Valley for almost 10 years and have fond memories of the place, but after 4 years on Parson Cross I consider it the distended rectum of Sheffield. I'm sure there's plenty of people who would disagree based on their own experience.

Possibly the only place that's as bad as it's made out to be is Iraq. Everywhere else is generally better than is assumed by everyone who has never been there.

lived in the valley for 30 odd years, now live at top end. mum and dad still live there and have done for 40 odd years. is NOT that bad. made me livid to read the star today. yes there are some idiot scum that live there and things are not perfect but for gods sake its no worse than anywhere else. not all people are jobless. some families work and some kids are great. they took little incidents and blown them up. and herdings is not in the valley anyway. the landlady of the blackstock serves a lot of the idiots and then complains.

the council have to take the blame for some of this for they put problem families and people on the valley and let them get away with everything, keep a diary they say if you complain, to what ends for they do nothing about it. they put the problems there. but gleadless valley is not as bad as is being portrayed. do not believe all of it. every area has these problems. :rant::rant::rant::rant:

Got to agree about the landlady...I've often seen shop lifters go into the Blackstock pub with bags full of stolen goods, Their bags are allways empty when they come out so she must turn a blind eye to this?
Also most of the dole bums and their youths sit in or out side the pub lining her pocket so she should be careful about biting the hand that feeds her.

apparently it is, why on earth would the police and council make figures up?? the police are busy enough without inventing crimes to investigate!

do you live on the valley have you ever lived there. if you do then you blind. IT IS NOT THAT BAD. or is everything written in a newspaper true!!!! i did not say it was the perfect place on earth i said that yes it has its faults, but no different from any other area, with drugs and crime. but it is not that bloody bad. :rant::rant:

Gleadless Valley, I would rather live in a cardboard box under the arch's, I guess the police crime figures are from Moorland road and Gaunt road area's alone. Seriously it's not that bad, just depends where you live ont valley.

er wasn't the tram stop smashed to pieces at Herdings Park withing less than 24 hours of being installed??

Doesn't the tram regularlly get bricks throught the windows between there and Leighton road??

Aren't things placed across the track and set alight on a regular basis???

lived in the valley for 30 odd years, now live at top end. mum and dad still live there and have done for 40 odd years. is NOT that bad. made me livid to read the star today. yes there are some idiot scum that live there and things are not perfect but for gods sake its no worse than anywhere else. not all people are jobless. some families work and some kids are great. they took little incidents and blown them up. and herdings is not in the valley anyway. the landlady of the blackstock serves a lot of the idiots and then complains.

the council have to take the blame for some of this for they put problem families and people on the valley and let them get away with everything, keep a diary they say if you complain, to what ends for they do nothing about it. they put the problems there. but gleadless valley is not as bad as is being portrayed. do not believe all of it. every area has these problems. :rant::rant::rant::rant:
HERE ! HERE it a total joke,If anyone can come on here and be honest that they been mugged,raped,burgled victim of any crime on Gleadless then lets hear it.Yes graffiti vandalism etc but hasnt every area ? And has for landlady of Blackstock more u 16s in there than at school plus shop lifters.And yes all the refugee familys been put on the estate what do you expect,I live here and wouldnt move.:rant::rant::rant:

er wasn't the tram stop smashed to pieces at Herdings Park withing less than 24 hours of being installed??

Doesn't the tram regularlly get bricks throught the windows between there and Leighton road??

Aren't things placed across the track and set alight on a regular basis???

Check when this last happened, your talking crap wow bus shelter gets put through at gleadless valley ALERT worse estate in Sheffield ! 16yr old gets shot dead pitsmoor, need i say more ! teenager robbed at knife point westfield ! the only people who can say over gleadless isnt councilors,police housing officials or them it is the people who live here,

He does have a point about the bus stops tho, but then again why they replace it with new glass every week instead of plastic, i'll never know!

Probably because for some bizarre reason, glass is cheaper than plastic?

Probably because for some bizarre reason, glass is cheaper than plastic?

You are correct, Rich.

Sadly, the glass only needs to be broken 3 times to become a more expensive option.

http://extra.shu.ac.uk/dac/busshelter.pdf

Well give a dog a bad name and it's sure to bite back! Did you read in STAR re: arson attack at Herdings school? There are some bad un's on the valley but are there not on any estate. Tram does get bricked and things put on line on a regular basis not to mention how many times the young offenders place on Moorland got burned down. What about the perv who set fires, just to hide behind bushes and do rude things when the firemen turned up? Takes allsorts to make an estate...lol

Well give a dog a bad name and it's sure to bite back! Did you read in STAR re: arson attack at Herdings school? There are some bad un's on the valley but are there not on any estate. Tram does get bricked and things put on line on a regular basis not to mention how many times the young offenders place on Moorland got burned down. What about the perv who set fires, just to hide behind bushes and do rude things when the firemen turned up? Takes allsorts to make an estate...lol

didnt no there was a herdings school.......... But then again that the star for you

It's always been herdings school as far as we know, they knocked the old one down and and built the new one in virtually the same place next to Herdings tram line. Between Norton Ave and moorland road.

I drove a friend to Leighton Road when her son got into some trouble up there. I waited in my car (for 20 mins ) for her to come back and saw children mostly under 9 years old playing out after 10pm on a school night. Not an adult in sight. Cars driving past slowly.I mentioned this to my friend who told me kids were always out late. Where were their parents ?. Frightening.

It's always been herdings school as far as we know, they knocked the old one down and and built the new one in virtually the same place next to Herdings tram line. Between Norton Ave and moorland road.

Oh you mean valley park school ! must let the star no it another wrong story :hihi:

I can understand people saying that it's not that bad, but do you honestly believe that the police have the time or the desire to mess about inflating crime figures for one area?
The system isn't that easy to manipulate, so if the figures show a hotspot in gleadless then there almost certainly is one.

i cant see why anyone would be surprised its like smack central its a shame cus when you look at it from the other side of the valley it looks well thought out looks like a nice place but i know all too many would say different

weres plain talker tonight .hes allways got something to say about this type of thread .LOL:hihi:

I can understand people saying that it's not that bad, but do you honestly believe that the police have the time or the desire to mess about inflating crime figures for one area?
The system isn't that easy to manipulate, so if the figures show a hotspot in gleadless then there almost certainly is one.

Why not ? never about when they needed ! last week we found a old man wandering the streets trying to cross a busy main rd at 8am in dressing gown and slippers,nearly caused a major accident plus held up traffic,the police was rung by 3 people 55 mins later they turned up,Newfield greens shops police rung every night turn up 4 hr later,call a coloured a name police turn up within 5 mins,so dont preach or police on gleadless valley cause there isnt any unless racist incident

weres plain talker tonight .hes allways got something to say about this type of thread .LOL:hihi:

he ..????:huh:

totally agree! they say that they have stepped up police presence,where? you never see a policeman unless they're lost!! the sad thing is that it's a select few what spoil it, and i don't think it's fair that everyone get tarred with the same brush just coz we live here too!:rant::rant::rant:

totally agree! they say that they have stepped up police presence,where? you never see a policeman unless they're lost!! the sad thing is that it's a select few what spoil it, and i don't think it's fair that everyone get tarred with the same brush just coz we live here too!:rant::rant::rant:

Tarring us, our kids all of it ! i could put lots of kids from gleadless at the side of some from others schools on other estates, and id put money on gleadless kids been more clever, Wish the so called star would go and check childrens attainment over the past yr in gleadless schools, pathetic lot of it

Tarring us, our kids all of it ! i could put lots of kids from gleadless at the side of some from others schools on other estates, and id put money on gleadless kids been more clever, Wish the so called star would go and check childrens attainment over the past yr in gleadless schools, pathetic lot of it

here here:D too many people quick to put the area down without actually spending any time looking closely into whats good about it! too many people too quick to put gleadless valley down!!:rant::rant:

here here:D too many people quick to put the area down without actually spending any time looking closely into whats good about it! too many people too quick to put gleadless valley down!!:rant::rant:

you could say the same about manor wybourn or anywhere

Buses have for many years had problems with yobs outside the John o Gaunt pub, it has improved slightly however the problem has now moved on to the 47/48 terminus @ Herdings :roll:

:o i live on GLEADLESS VALLEY i never thought it was as bad as the papers say it is it as really :o me and int it funny how all these people that DON'T live on here really know all about gleadless :hihi::hihi:
:roll:please will all them know it all come down to the real world this country has it's good and bad every where
don't say where you live it is not because you would be talking a load of sxxx .
we all have that great council and gov to blame for things because they don't give a sxxx who they put on council estates as long as it's not where they live .:mad:

Tarring us, our kids all of it ! i could put lots of kids from gleadless at the side of some from others schools on other estates, and id put money on gleadless kids been more clever, Wish the so called star would go and check childrens attainment over the past yr in gleadless schools, pathetic lot of it

Every estate has its problems, the difference is in the quantity. The report in the Star highlights the fact that in Gleadless Valley - unemployment, crime figures, and teenage pregnancies are double the city average. Of course there will be crime, unemployment, and teenage pregnancies in any area you choose to name. The difference is in the numbers.

No one has said your children are to blame - its not a personal attack, its a report based on information that has been collected about an area. Neither the police or the council have a vested interest in saying things are worse than they are, in fact, they are usually criticised for painting too rosy a picture.

right enough is enough. herdings is NOT in the valley, its gleadless yes but not the valley, neither is Gaunt road, blackstock shops or john o'gaunt pub, its gleadless yes BUT NOT THE VALLEY. and the school at herdings is a junior school, always has been and not been herdings school for quite a while now.

valley mob right. council dont care as long as the scum that cause the problems dont live near them. now the people causing the problems are put there by the council, left to stew and when problems occur they leave it then report how bad it is.

I know a lot of decent people on the valley, decent law abiding hard working people who do not deserve being slated cos of idiots bringing trouble.

Ms Macbeth, you dont live here, you dont know the area. the article is the star was a bit overboard. and no more teen pregnancies than anywhere else. unless of course, i've been walking round with my eyes shut and all the teens with babies walked by me while I was walking round "blind"

am new to the site but can not help but get a bit irate at this thread. Gleadless valley is not that bad, Manor, Parson Cross much much worse. I live on the Valley and have done all my life and I can not believe how it is being potrayed.

agree with previous comment that herdings is gleadles but not in the valley, neither is JohnO'Gaunt pub/blackstock shops. they are getting bits of the area blurred into each other.

The area has it problems, majority of council estates do, but to say its the worse is an outright lie. the police are not on this estate constantly as it seems they are trying to potray. vlley mob and original quite right in what they are saying.

er wasn't the tram stop smashed to pieces at Herdings Park withing less than 24 hours of being installed??

Doesn't the tram regularlly get bricks throught the windows between there and Leighton road??

Aren't things placed across the track and set alight on a regular basis???

sorry but the tram doesnt actually run on leighton road

I lived on middle hay close for 3 yrs and I got burgled once on new yrs eve and then these little chavs cut my sky cable the sods. This all happened in the last 2 yrs I was there and even had rockets thrown into the flats and the bin house set on fire loads of times. So I moved as it was being over ran by chavs whos parents obviously dont care about what they do or know how to bring them up. Its a shame cos many moons ago gleadless was one of the poshist estates in sheffield and now its run by chavs and is a complete dive. This is just my oppinion from living there and I also know people who still live there who says its got even worse since ive moved. I am sure there are nice parts to though.

sorry but the tram doesnt actually run on leighton road

There is a Leighton Road tram stop though. I lived for years at Herdings, and then at Charnock, but still went down the Valley to see mates and stuff, and really, it was just like any other council estate.

The Gaunt has been known for hassle since the year dot; there used to be a bit of graffiti on the Norton Water Tower which said "Danger. John O'Gaunt 1/2 mile".

A lot of 'trouble tenants' were moved onto Herdings when Kelvin came down, and more when Norfolk Park started to come down. The same happened with Jordanthorpe and Low Edges.

The Valley is grim and poor (financially) now, but really isn't as bad as people make out.

middle hay is bad, but the council do nothing. they have been putting problem families in those flats for a while. they emptied norfolk park of them and sent them in to gleadless. the flats really need to come down. they were great years ago, but the community spirit of yesteryear has gone and they dont work anymore. years ago, people on the flats all got on, all the kids played with each other, good community spirit. but now none of this exists. should pull them down. but that does not make gleadless a war zone. or "the worse esate in sheffield"

hippy chick, yes there is a tram stop with leighton road on but it doesnt run on there does it. bit daft that really. but agree with all you say. I remember years and years and years ago if you went in to the phone box on the gaunt shops then the kids would run round with rope and tie you in. always been a very bad spot.

Community spirit is all about a common ground and about the community pulling together. Ifyou can't all engage you will have conflict. Maybe not everyone is your cup of tea but you will have something in common, be it schools, buses, shops or young people.

Don't write a community off, it can be rebuilt if enough people want it.

I lived on middle hay close for 3 yrs and I got burgled once on new yrs eve and then these little chavs cut my sky cable the sods. This all happened in the last 2 yrs I was there and even had rockets thrown into the flats and the bin house set on fire loads of times. So I moved as it was being over ran by chavs whos parents obviously dont care about what they do or know how to bring them up. Its a shame cos many moons ago gleadless was one of the poshist estates in sheffield and now its run by chavs and is a complete dive. This is just my oppinion from living there and I also know people who still live there who says its got even worse since ive moved. I am sure there are nice parts to though.

I think it's more the bits between where the Far Lees was and where the Blackstock is on Leighton Road, and the bits by the Horse and Groom going towards the woods which are considered poor.

Community spirit is all about a common ground and about the community pulling together. Ifyou can't all engage you will have conflict. Maybe not everyone is your cup of tea but you will have something in common, be it schools, buses, shops or young people.

Don't write a community off, it can be rebuilt if enough people want it.

WHAT!!!!! there are so many people on gleadless that would happily do that but its the idiots running round causing problems that this is very unlikely to happen. and I along with a few others on this thread are not writing off the community

I'm not saying you are. :) being a resident of Winn Gardens for 13 years and going through everything from fights, to guns to a flippin murder I can understand everything that is being thrown at the area.

Don't be disheartened, good people in your area are trying to make a difference, its just a case of getting more people involved and leading by example.

sorry, just on the defensive I guess. nice to hear good comments from someone who doesnt live here. thank you for that.

hippy chick, yes there is a tram stop with leighton road on but it doesnt run on there does it. bit daft that really. but agree with all you say. I remember years and years and years ago if you went in to the phone box on the gaunt shops then the kids would run round with rope and tie you in. always been a very bad spot.

Hippy chick? Chick? I might have long hair, but I ain't a chick :hihi:

The thing is though, I don't think the flats at the back of the Gaunt were that bad. It's a noisy minority. Going back to years and years ago, do you remember the flower shop next to the old Post Office, next to the old Co-op?

I know things are noisier now, but it's not as bad as people make out either. I live at Jordo now, and people cock a snoop, but really, it's nowt like people make out.

Hippy chick? Chick? I might have long hair, but I ain't a chick

oh god im sorry. am tired, cant have read your name right. am off to bed to correct this and will endeavour not to cause you shame again by calling you a girl. but am sorry bout that.

oh god im sorry. am tired, cant have read your name right. am off to bed to correct this and will endeavour not to cause you shame again by calling you a girl. but am sorry bout that.

I wouldn't worry about it. I've been called worse on a rugby pitch :hihi:

Ok, first, technically, the valley is around Abney/Bankwood area, and further up Blackstock Road, is Gleadless, is that correct? Are all these areas technically in Gleadless Valley Ward though?

Gleadless Valley is probably the most aesthetically pleasing council estate I have ever seen. It has a lot going for it, including most of the people there. However, it serves no purpose, other than to perhaps protect peoples pride, and possibly house prices, if they've bought their own council house, (but only in the very short term) to turn a blind eye to the obvious decline of the area. By no means is Gleadless Valley on it's own here but as estates get worse places to live, if we say, 'it's not bad', and don't act proactively, then, things can only get worse. At the moment, it seems to be minorities spoiling these estates but these minorities are growing and if we're not careful, they will soon be the majority, everywhere. The re-building will only start when people are ready to say, 'ok, it's not a bad place to live on the whole, but it's on the decline, and things could be better, now let's look at what we can do and what help we need' but people need to work together as communities. When people turn a blind eye to what's going on, then that's really when the rot starts to set in.

Ok, first, technically, the valley is around Abney/Bankwood area, and further up Blackstock Road, is Gleadless, is that correct? Are all these areas technically in Gleadless Valley Ward though?

I don't define the area by the ward, though that will have been the case from the OP. In the same way, where I used to live in Charnock is far removed from the area known as Birley, though Charnock is in Birley ward.

I don't define the area by the ward, though that will have been the case from the OP. In the same way, where I used to live in Charnock is far removed from the area known as Birley, though Charnock is in Birley ward.

I see what you mean. I wonder if the figures cited in the star represent the ward.

the valley diva is also part of leighton road, spotswood, overend, bankwood, and around those areas, more I know. but abney, never classed that as the valley, too far over. but in essence you right and spot on with your post. it is the few that spoil it. and unfortunately the statistics do centre on that rather than the good aspect of the area. it is such a shame, an area that once won awards for the set out of it, where once the land owner who sold to the council used to ride round on her horse to make sure that trees were planted as agreed when the area was being built. such a sorry shame.

the good people of the area should be respected in their decency and not tarnished with the same brush as the scroats that spoil gleadless valley. am ashamed that some of these scroats' parents I know from way back and these parents are to blame for letting their kids run wild. am proud that I or my family never caused trouble an proud that my son never hung round the streets causing mayhem.

i cant see why anyone would be surprised its like smack central its a shame cus when you look at it from the other side of the valley it looks well thought out looks like a nice place but i know all too many would say different

Yeh it might have been ''Smack central'' (your words not mine) about 10-15 yrs ago but it isn't now, i know, i live on gleadless valley and have done most my life as have my family.

I must be walking about with my eyes shut or something because i certainly haven't noticed an increase in crime, in fact i thought it had quietened down a little, ok there are some gangs of kids, but then when i was kid we hung about in gangs on the shops etc, only difference is we had respect for our elders and wouldn't have dreamt of causing trouble or robbing people or causing damage to property because everyone on the estate knew your parents and we'd have got a good hiding off them had we been doing so.

Only the other day i was in the co-op and the women behind the counter sold 2 big boxes of stella to a kid i know who is only 17 and his 2 mates who are 16 & 15 they didn't even try to look old enough just stood there in the obligatory tracksuit's and caps, she didn't even bother asking for ID just served them, everyone in the queue was muttering under their breath how young they were and should have been asked for ID. This is alot of where the problems stem from, shops not bothering and just selling alcohol to known underage teens.

middle hay is bad, but the council do nothing. they have been putting problem families in those flats for a while. they emptied norfolk park of them and sent them in to gleadless. the flats really need to come down. they were great years ago, but the community spirit of yesteryear has gone and they dont work anymore. years ago, people on the flats all got on, all the kids played with each other, good community spirit. but now none of this exists. should pull them down. but that does not make gleadless a war zone. or "the worse esate in sheffield"

I lived on Middle Hay View for the first 20 years of my life and watched it graduallu deteriorate from the early 80s onwards ( I still visited my mum for 10 years there before she passed away). Such a shame - I had happy memories of growing up there but it was starting to turn grim by the 80s

Gleadless Valley is S14... be it the top end or the bottom end the estate as we know it IS Gleadless Valley... Gleadless Valley school was on matthews lane at Norton yet still took the name of the estate!!!! I cant see how arguing over what part is the valley and what isn't, is going to sort out the current problems on the estate.

The truth of the matter is there is no sense of community anymore on the estate.

The Star article only refers to 'the estate'.
Whether the police figures reflect just this area or not, is not clear.

Sheffield Council differentiates over 100 "neighbourhoods" and the links to show data and maps of "Gleadless" and "Gleadless Valley" can be found here:

http://www.sheffield.gov.uk/in-your-area/snis/e-to-k

Check when this last happened, your talking crap wow bus shelter gets put through at gleadless valley ALERT worse estate in Sheffield ! 16yr old gets shot dead pitsmoor, need i say more ! teenager robbed at knife point westfield ! the only people who can say over gleadless isnt councilors,police housing officials or them it is the people who live here,

I don't think Gleadless valley is that bad either, especially down the hill around Overend area. I have friends there and its so quiet.

I think if there is a problem its around the Herdings and the shops .. near the Blackstock Pub. Sure it looks poor, but that in itself is not an indicator that all is bad.

As for vandalism we regularly get the phone box smashed at Greystones, plus graffitti and litter on the Ecclesall Rd!

Gleadless Valley is S14... be it the top end or the bottom end the estate as we know it IS Gleadless Valley... Gleadless Valley school was on matthews lane at Norton yet still took the name of the estate!!!!

Is important to us who love the area. Gleadless VALLEY is that A VALLEY. herdings not in it, neither is john o'gaunt. Gleadless Valley school was in bloody norton for gods sake so how that classed as the valley??????? it overlooked the valley was never in it. but yoiu are right in that there is no community anymore. I remember years ago when people getting married would have their do at the tenants hall on newfield green shops. was always a great night. no worries with it. shame its got bad bits in area now. great shame

Is important to us who love the area. Gleadless VALLEY is that A VALLEY. herdings not in it, neither is john o'gaunt. Gleadless Valley school was in bloody norton for gods sake so how that classed as the valley??????? it overlooked the valley was never in it. but yoiu are right in that there is no community anymore. I remember years ago when people getting married would have their do at the tenants hall on newfield green shops. was always a great night. no worries with it. shame its got bad bits in area now. great shame

look why are you squabbling about what area is valley and what isn't??? :loopy:

I live on the Gleadless Valley estate and so do all my family, Gleadless Valley is S14 and my post code is S14 so is my parents post code who live on constable!!!!

We know what a Valley is... and the Star quoted '' Gleadless Valley Estate'' which IS where we all live... THE GLEADLESS VALLEY ESTATE!!!!!
Why are you getting all angry, How can you expect to have a community atmosphere with people who get angry over what part is Valley and what part of the estate shouldn't be classed as GV :loopy::confused:

As for the School comment, i said that the school was in Norton but took the name of the estate!!

I used to live on the Dell ( knocked down now), then Leighton Road, moved around a lot, must have Gypsy blood. Anyway "The valley" is'nt all that bad, just a select few who ruin it for everyone else, I guess. I really do miss the view, over the woods, watching the seasons change, the beautiful colours of the leaves. Plus you had half hour warning of rain etc cos you could see it coming in over the moors. I think Herdings and Hemsworth have been bungled in under the lable of Valley in this Star article and actually it's only Newfield Green that has a few probs.

:rant:blondie blue. I have lived and breathed the valley since I was 6 months old. I have loved my life on there. I have had the best childhood on there. i consider myself a true blood of the valley for it was a new estate when my parents moved on it. I will always consider myself from THE VALLEY! (look i didnt need to put that in bold) and not just from gleadless.

gleadless covers a big area, gleadless valley does not. there is a difference that is important to some of us. it does not take away however the decency of the folk that live on gleadless as a whole. it is swimming with decent folk who love the area as I do. I lived on gaunt road at one point and when a house came empty on the valley I went to council and asked for it before tenants moved out (I knew them well) and since it was before the bidding of properties I got the house. I wanted my son to grow up in the environment that I did, to be safe playing like I was. to have a great happy childhood like I did, and do you know what he did and he still loves THE VALLEY!!!!!!!!!!!:rant::rant:

I dont want to get in any arguement with you or anyone else I am just so disheartened by the article in the star. I have had such a good life and living on the valley was a good thing. I am sorry to go on about it but it is very close to my heart. I do not wish to offend you or anyone else. Gleadless is a good area, all of it. and posts like yours and mine and many others will hopefully make people think good of the area. we are all fighting the same battle it seems

My Family were the first people to move onto the estate... my granparents were the very people that had the Hemsworth J&I school built because they appealed to the council about the distance their Kids (my mum & aunty & uncle's) had to walk to the nearest school!!!

So yeh i reckon i qualify also as being part of the VALLEY, like i said my family members and i have lived here for years. Chill your boots, we're all (valley residants) gutted that the estate has been ruined like it has, and we need to all pull together as a community to bring it back to how it used to be instead of squabbling like kids!!!

I was trying to make amends by my last post but obviously by the remark "chill your boots" you didnt read it.

was going to go on but why bother. I know what the valley is to me and my family as do you and many others blondie blue.

To be fair, the Council are trying to improve the area with increased leisure facilities. Walking the new "Dog Turd Trail" through Cat Lane woods for example is a fine way to spend a Sunday afternoon!

hemsworth junior school is at the top end of gleadless, nearer norton than the actual valley. you getting your edges blurred.

I have lived on the valley for nearly 50 years now and top half of blackstock road not classed as the valley. its at the top.

is a shame what people will think after reading the star. from my house I have the most amazing views. the glorious greenery around here is just beautiful. its a shame some people do not appreciate it and try to ruin it for all of us who do love living here. I have had no problems whatsoever while living here, none and am proud to say I am from Gleadless Valley.

To be fair, the Council are trying to improve the area with increased leisure facilities. Walking the new "Dog Turd Trail" through Cat Lane woods for example is a fine way to spend a Sunday afternoon!

council waste money. they should be aiming towards getting the area better. by cleaning up the area for a start, by coming down hard on nuiscance neighbours, by working with the police to combat gangs and crime, by making a conscious effort to be seen in these areas. the council put in the problems then do nothing when the problems get worse.

hemsworth junior school is at the top end of gleadless, nearer norton than the actual valley. you getting your edges blurred.

I have lived on the valley for nearly 50 years now and top half of blackstock road not classed as the valley. its at the top.

is a shame what people will think after reading the star. from my house I have the most amazing views. the glorious greenery around here is just beautiful. its a shame some people do not appreciate it and try to ruin it for all of us who do love living here. I have had no problems whatsoever while living here, none and am proud to say I am from Gleadless Valley.

Yes, the air is very clean and the views of the woods are lovely.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleadless_Valley

Whether it be from Mawfa Avenue - Ironside road- Blackstock road-Morland road.... it all says GLEADLESS VALLEY in the address, it's an ESTATE (A housing estate is a group of buildings built together as a single development) Therefore we all live on the Gleadless Valley estate!!!!

calm down. think you taking this a bit far now. sezemeseds said that for her (i think) she meant the area she talking about is classed as the valley by the residents that live in that part, like myself, I have always classed the bottom end the valley not the top. from the begining of the estate being built its been thought of that way. looking back it seems sez (??) sorry, is not making an argument out of this but you seem to be. thats just how it is coming across at the moment.

[I was trying to make amends by my last post but obviously by the remark "chill your boots" you didnt read it.

was going to go on but why bother. I know what the valley is to me and my family as do you and many others blondie blue.]

by that remark by sez it seems she not disputing anything but saying how she feels. think about that. lets not fight amongst ourselves. we all on the same side here. we fight out not in. :)

and all i'm saying is that altho we live at the top end we've always classed our self's as being from the Valley, when asked where i live i say gleadless valley, because that is where is live... on the gleadless valley estate.

Lol....arguments aside, was wondering if they ever got that statue back, that got pinched from Hemsworth juniors a few years ago. The school site is probably a housing estate now for all I know. Was a little girl wih a dog.

Gleadless Valley School's a housing estate now (best thing they ever did to that place IMO! :rant: ), they demolished it in 1995, 3 years after I left.

Lol....arguments aside, was wondering if they ever got that statue back, that got pinched from Hemsworth juniors a few years ago. The school site is probably a housing estate now for all I know. Was a little girl wih a dog.

Actually the school sight does have plans to have homes built for the over 50's ...

Gleadless Valley School's a housing estate now (best thing they ever did to that place IMO! :rant: ), they demolished it in 1995, 3 years after I left.

I went to VALLEY and i had a great time there.... shame it went really!!!!

Good grief! that long ago....well ont valley, int valley whatever, there seems to be conflict whatever. Hemsworth and Herdings have always been very seperate to me, no idea where official boundery is supposed to be.

Good grief! that long ago....well ont valley, int valley whatever, there seems to be conflict whatever. Hemsworth and Herdings have always been very seperate to me, no idea where official boundery is supposed to be.


exactly puddinburner. hemsworth and herdings always semt like different areas altogether. but thats just the way we saw it as kids and still do. even gleadless townend semt like miles and miles away. Gleadless Valley was such a lovely estate and although its not as good as it used to be because of the scroats that are spoiling it for others, it is still ok, and not as bad as how the star potrayed it. give it up for Gleadless Valley. a great estate with a few bad points, oh hang on that sounds like every other area in sheffield!!!! so how can the valley be the worst!!

blondie calm it down a bit. you acting blonde!!!!! you going a bit mental here.

ALL residents of gleadless should chuff anyone off who slates it. long as the good still reside there then let there be hope

I'm afraid you need more than hope to stop the decline of any estate and by telling people to 'chuff off' you're basically saying unless someone agrees that GV is a wonderful place to live, they're not welcome. People who live there are saying there are problems, but some don't want to acknowledge the fact. I just wonder who are the 'Ninety per cent of residents who feel yobs are plaguing the area' mentioned in the Star? (May not be exactly 90%, but there must be some people who have expressed those views?)

Its already been pointed out that I don't live there, so I don't have an idyllic memory of what Gleadless Valley used to be. However, I do have an understanding of how information is collected and even what some of it means. Apart from what's in the Star, this http://www.sheffield.gov.uk/in-your-area/snis/e-to-k has recent (2006) details about every area of Sheffield in terms of its wealth, health, crime etc . Some facts about the Gleadless Valley Estate:

good as anywhere else in Sheffield for access to services
environmental setting is one of the best in Sheffield
worse levels of poverty/economic inactivity than Sheffield average
health worse than Sheffield average
education results much worse than Sheffield average
% of council housing is double the Sheffield average
Community safety worse than Sheffield average


The Star headline about GV being the 'worst' sells newspapers, and it's probably an exaggeration, but its pretty obvious that there are real issues that need sorting out. I just hope the people on here (and others) who feel strongly about the future of this estate can stop being so defensive, and work positively with any help that is available.

hemsworth junior school is at the top end of gleadless, nearer norton than the actual valley. you getting your edges blurred.

I have lived on the valley for nearly 50 years now and top half of blackstock road not classed as the valley. its at the top.

is a shame what people will think after reading the star. from my house I have the most amazing views. the glorious greenery around here is just beautiful. its a shame some people do not appreciate it and try to ruin it for all of us who do love living here. I have had no problems whatsoever while living here, none and am proud to say I am from Gleadless Valley.

I'm a valley lass.

brought up at the back of the John O'Gaunt. Grandparents moved there in 1957, into the brand new build, on Gaunt Close, and I lived with them til my parents got their own maisonette on Gaunt Road.

ok, continuing the OT bit, (Sorry)

t'valley starts at the top end of blackstock road, and does actually cover sub-districts like rollestone (near bankwood school - which incidentally, IIRC was originally called rollestone!) and Hemsworth (covering mawfa/ constable/ gaunt/ ironside) as well as Herdings:- Raeburn, morland etc and parts of leighton.

my uncle's maisonette was on Sands Close, at the very top of gleadless hill, opposite ashleigh school, and that was also classed as "valley" , despite being i) the virtual summit of the hill, and ii) toward townend/spring-close / ashleigh.

Newfield green is also "valley", albeit on the periphery.

The Star headline about GV being the 'worst' sells newspapers, and it's probably an exaggeration, but its pretty obvious that there are real issues that need sorting out. I just hope the people on here (and others) who feel strongly about the future of this estate can stop being so defensive, and work positively with any help that is available.

news sells, bad news sells more, Ms Macbeth... and the star are the best at sensationalising stories that are basically "owt-and-nowt's"

they never let the facts get in the way of a good headline.

news sells, bad news sells more, Ms Macbeth... and the star are the best at sensationalising stories that are basically "owt-and-nowt's"

they never let the facts get in the way of a good headline.

You're right about bad news and The Star is just like most newspapers. But even though its exaggerated, the council SNIS link shows demographics relating to every area of Sheffield and GV isn't doing very well. Its always sad to hear of an area that was once really popular going down hill. Other estates suffer from the same negative publicity, but by accepting there are problems, and working to improve things, the next time they are in the news could be for something positive?

what a joke its no worse than other places like manor parson cross and others

There are no "official boundaries" here. some of us, if you read, are saying that we consider the valley to be the bottom area of the estate. CONSIDER i said. this is what we think of it. this is not an official here saying my god you all wrong, is one resident saying how she see's the estate and has seen it since a baby. is all.

now forget that. Gleadles (all of it) is not that bad and we are not blind to the problems and are not being defensive about it. We sticking up for it. we saying it not that bad because it actually isnt' that bad. no worse than most areas. we love gleadless thats why we all getting hot and bothered. we all obviously proud to live there. we all saying the same thing and yes we getting carried away about what bit is what, myself included, and that not getting any of us anywhere. its all gleadless, valley and all. and I love it. :)

You're right about bad news and The Star is just like most newspapers. But even though its exaggerated, the council SNIS link shows demographics relating to every area of Sheffield and GV isn't doing very well. Its always sad to hear of an area that was once really popular going down hill. Other estates suffer from the same negative publicity, but by accepting there are problems, and working to improve things, the next time they are in the news could be for something positive?

when me and my ex hubby got our place on GV, we were thrilled to little pieces, as it had been such a great area, when we were growing up (I grew up on Gaunt, he grew up at Townend). we had this idea of it being as good as when we were growing up.

sadly with the drug dealers, the section we were on had totally gone "down the nick". On a block of 20 maisonettes, there were four that housed (hard-)drug dealers / addicts. That was one-in five, 20%... isn't that a frightening level?

They were not just dealing/ using, they were involved in all sorts of other anti-social behaviour, including Burglaries, Car thefts, other thefts, handling of stolen goods, stabbings and other violent behaviour. the children and animals were horrendously neglected. We had to endure them them "pulling donuts" with stolen cars on the communal green in front of our block, churning the grass up into a mudbath.

We were often knocked out of our beds by potential buyers, banking on our doors in the wee small hours by mistake.

There were often incidents of ASB, noise, fights, threats to the decent" tenants,whom the dealers believed were all "grassing" them up, left right and centre. I know of one incident where there was an attempt made by these scummers on one of the council staff, from the local council offices. (his car was interfered with) MY dog and cat had lit fireworks thrown at them, one bonfire *month* and they were doing nothing more sinister than simply enjoying the garden.

It is hard to stand up to ASB when you feel that you are the only one to stick your neck out, and getting the flack. It's even harder when you see the council staff despairing, as they try to get these AS tenants out, and they, as staff are not getting backed up by the poweres above them, feeling like they are onto a hiding-to-nothing.

We regularly had these cretinous ASB tenants banging on our windows, threatening us, as they were convinced it wwas us that wee reporting them to the council (Despite the fact that the council had been collating info against them about their criminal and AS behaviour since before we lived there)

It got to the stage where we were scared to leave the property unattended. My hubby and I were like the weather-house couple. when hubby was inside, I was out, and when hubby was out, I was inside. it was worse after the blind lady a couple of doors down from us was burgled, by them. They were crafty. They used the cover of the sound of the fireworks going off, to hide the noise of the glass breaking, and getting into her property. It really was a nightmare.

There are no "official boundaries" here. some of us, if you read, are saying that we consider the valley to be the bottom area of the estate. CONSIDER i said. this is what we think of it. this is not an official here saying my god you all wrong, is one resident saying how she see's the estate and has seen it since a baby. is all.

now forget that. Gleadles (all of it) is not that bad and we are not blind to the problems and are not being defensive about it. We sticking up for it. we saying it not that bad because it actually isnt' that bad. no worse than most areas. we love gleadless thats why we all getting hot and bothered. we all obviously proud to live there. we all saying the same thing and yes we getting carried away about what bit is what, myself included, and that not getting any of us anywhere. its all gleadless, valley and all. and I love it. :)
hear hear sezemeseeds spotswood lad hear spent all my childhood on valley and i love that estate, many many happy memories and would not change them for the world still got lots of mates live there, its only the scrotes they have moved on valley over the last few years thats spoiling it, and to say its the worst in sheffield is a complete joke:loopy: ex valley lad.

And now the good news about Gleadless Valley: http://www.thestar.co.uk/letters/Gym39ll-fix-it-for-us.3788798.jp

This is exactly the sort of thing that can help. Getting youngsters involved in something they like is half the battle. :thumbsup: Maybe there could be a few more activities organised by parents & youth workers?

hear hear sezemeseeds spotswood lad hear spent all my childhood on valley and i love that estate, many many happy memories and would not change them for the world still got lots of mates live there, its only the scrotes they have moved on valley over the last few years thats spoiling it, and to say its the worst in sheffield is a complete joke:loopy: ex valley lad.

am a spotswood girl myself. and the place will always hold special place in myheart. have to agree 99% of the scum have moved into gleadless in last 10 years or so. is only odd native gleadlesser that turned very very bad.

I may be totally wrong and am just thinking out loud, but it has been said that issues began in the late 80's. Now opening out the idea, does this not have any connection to the fact that this was when unemployment levels shot through the roof and many people were put out of work.

Subesequently we have seen a generation of parents who were not in work after leaving school and became career claimants?

The example set by this minority plus the movement of people onto the estate in a similar mind set has led to a concentrated group of families who have never worked and not really bothered with education or stricts codes of moral conduct. Which in turn has led to feral kids or kids with no objectives in life, they are of the assumption that there is no future other than the path their parents have taken?

Now Gleadless residents, don't have a go at me, I'm just theorising but those families who are bringing the rep of the area down could derive from this sort of evolutionary change in attitudes to work and their local community.

So, getting them back into work and getting the young people engaged might be the answer to changing attitudes from within the estate.

understand where you coming from. but have to disagree to some extent. think in some cases that could be right. but not in most cases. I was unemployed for a short time, with a young son to support. and yes I claimed benefit but I also went to college to retrain and got a better job than I had before. one that gave me a great career. I was 30 when I went to college not a young 16 year old. I did what I had to do to support my child. I didnt wallow in self pity cos no job and claimed all benefits i could. I was brought up to support myself and my family and I did just that. I got off my backside and worked hard at college so to get off benefits quicker.

I know a woman who has lived on the valley all her life. she comes from a very decent family. she has a son, grown up now, got in to drugs and her son one of the people who causes trouble in the area. he had no support growing up and was brought up in a very unsecure environment. that I would say was because of the drugs his mum was on. drugs, umemployment all adds to the trouble in the area.

It's not everyone, but as we know it doesn't take lots of people to affect an area and gain it a reputation. Unemployment, and the unwillingness to change generationally as I have seen happen personally is a soul sapper and some folks see smoking weed drinking and doing little else as the norm.

Hopefully the investment and work taking place in the area will go some way to alleviating some of the problems. Don't give up, things can change and even if you can't reach everyone the good people shine through.

Why not ? never about when they needed ! last week we found a old man wandering the streets trying to cross a busy main rd at 8am in dressing gown and slippers,nearly caused a major accident plus held up traffic,the police was rung by 3 people 55 mins later they turned up,Newfield greens shops police rung every night turn up 4 hr later,call a coloured a name police turn up within 5 mins,so dont preach or police on gleadless valley cause there isnt any unless racist incident

Assuming that 'why not?' means why wouldn't the police manipulate the figures the answer is that they have no reason to do so. And like I said they would be very difficult to manipulate.

The rest of your post is somewhat difficult to decipher. But it seems that the police are called on a regular basis, so I don't see how you can claim that it's not a crime hotspot.

understand where you coming from. but have to disagree to some extent. think in some cases that could be right. but not in most cases. I was unemployed for a short time, with a young son to support. and yes I claimed benefit but I also went to college to retrain and got a better job than I had before. one that gave me a great career. I was 30 when I went to college not a young 16 year old. I did what I had to do to support my child. I didnt wallow in self pity cos no job and claimed all benefits i could. I was brought up to support myself and my family and I did just that. I got off my backside and worked hard at college so to get off benefits quicker.

I know a woman who has lived on the valley all her life. she comes from a very decent family. she has a son, grown up now, got in to drugs and her son one of the people who causes trouble in the area. he had no support growing up and was brought up in a very unsecure environment. that I would say was because of the drugs his mum was on. drugs, umemployment all adds to the trouble in the area.

I'm not surprised that you have worked hard to support your family, there are a lot of us like that! Its what we are supposed to do, yet lots of families really don't see it that way, ie...
a concentrated group of families who have never worked and not really bothered with education or stricts codes of moral conduct
Fox has worked hard for years as a volunteer on the estate where she lives which has also been labelled as a bad area. I'm sure she'll agree that not everything in Winn Gardens is rosy, but by people like her in the community working together, the area has improved enormously. If the residents had ignored the problems and done nothing, it would probably have got worse.

I'm surprised not to have had any reaction to my earlier postive post http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showpost.php?p=3155260&postcount=94

Fox has worked hard for years as a volunteer on the estate where she lives which has also been labelled as a bad area. I'm sure she'll agree that not everything in Winn Gardens is rosy, but by people like her in the community working together, the area has improved enormously. If the residents had ignored the problems and done nothing, it would probably have got worse

Thanks Ms McB :) You can't win every battle but have to see the good in people. They come in all shapes and sizes, some are willing to help and be helped some... well they're not. But working together with the liaison officers from SH and other bodies such as Futures and the Police things can improve.

The interesting thing about this for me, is that the council/police are responsible for this area just like all the other areas in Sheffield.

It's an admission of failure on THEIR part! You can't blame the entire community of Gleadless for problems across their community.

If the area has problems, why didn't/aren't the council/police doing something about it?

The interesting thing about this for me, is that the council/police are responsible for this area just like all the other areas in Sheffield.

It's an admission of failure on THEIR part! You can't blame the entire community of Gleadless for problems across their community.

If the area has problems, why didn't/aren't the council/police doing something about it?

You can't blame the council or the police for the behaviour of residents within a community. Example, my neighbour knocks on my door and belts me round the chops... who's fault is it? The councils? NO The Police? Of course not, its the neighbours.

The Valley has been highlighted as an area of poverty previously and as I posted somewhere in the beginning of this thread there is huge investment in tackling the problems in the area.

The interesting thing about this for me, is that the council/police are responsible for this area just like all the other areas in Sheffield.

It's an admission of failure on THEIR part! You can't blame the entire community of Gleadless for problems across their community.

If the area has problems, why didn't/aren't the council/police doing something about it?

'You can't blame the entire community of Gleadless for problems across their community' - what utter nonsense !

I think it's more the bits between where the Far Lees was and where the Blackstock is on Leighton Road, and the bits by the Horse and Groom going towards the woods which are considered poor.

Think you need to get your facts straight, get down near horse and groom and see how many are council now !!!!!!!! the majority are bought

The interesting thing about this for me, is that the council/police are responsible for this area just like all the other areas in Sheffield.

It's an admission of failure on THEIR part! You can't blame the entire community of Gleadless for problems across their community.

If the area has problems, why didn't/aren't the council/police doing something about it?

Not sure in what capacity you think the council are responsible? They provide houses and try and deal with cases of anti social behaviour, but without co-operation from the public they can't get evidence to take to court. The police used to deal with issues that are now part of many housing worker's jobs. But they haven't got powers of arrest, and they don't do 24 hours rotas. Unless the government decide to better resource police forces, I can't see them being really effective in most communities for a lot of the time.

A lot of the responsibility must sit within families. People who have children without any thought of the effort and cost it takes to bring them up in a decent manner. Parents who prefer their children out of sight. Of course its not the fault of a whole community, but perhaps they need to work together with the council and police to try and make things better?

OH MY GOD
the counciL are responsible as the problem people on the estate. the council do nothing to help. they provide the houses yes but thats where it ends. anti social behaviour is met with "well keep a diary". that does not work. have personal experience in this which I will not divulge as it gets me very worked up. they council did nothing. and it went on for years, still the problem there and they still do nothing. diaries they have had in vast amounts. the council do NOTHING.

they wash their hands of it. thats why there are problems on the estate. the council left it to rot. did not focus on up keep of it, if they did perhaps the estate would be as good as it always was, but not they left it. some residents to blame of course and they should take the responsibiltiy but so should the council. we pay our council tax for nothing it seems

* £200,000 is being invested in community safety, providing four neighbourhood wardens dedicated to the area.

* Youths are being targeted with more activities, £60,000 is being spent on equipment for teenagers in Herdings Park, Sheffield Futures is increasing outreach work and £8,000 is paying for youth work training so more people can give assistance.

* Investment in parks and green spaces in Gleadless Valley has been doubled and the council is working with retailers towards improvements to shopping centres

* Health problems are being tackled by providing advice to girls about contraception, an "enhanced public health programme" and giving greater assistance to elderly and vulnerable residents to reduce hospital admissions.

With the greatest respect, I live in GV and have not seen ANY evidence of this investment.

It was great to see the article in the Star about the new gym, but we only know about it because of the article. Nobody has advertised it - when did it happen? Why were residents not informed? Also, apparently 90% of residents are unhappy - nobody asked MY opinion, or that of my parents, brother and many friends who live on the valley. Where are these 90% of residents?

I agree that if people get together things can be improved, but I have not seen any evidence of anybody trying!

New investment.. :)

I think it's more the bits between where the Far Lees was and where the Blackstock is on Leighton Road, and the bits by the Horse and Groom going towards the woods which are considered poor.

will someone please:gag:this person like i said before,its people like this who do not know what there on about that give this area a bad name :rant:bits by the horse+groom take a drive around there most should i say neally all houses on there are bought on blackstock,spotswood,bankwood and on overend there all just about bought just odd tower houses that are not
so please don't pull places down that people on there take alot of pride in and have made there homes very nice rest my case:roll:

will someone please:gag:this person like i said before,its people like this who do not know what there on about that give this area a bad name :rant:bits by the horse+groom take a drive around there most should i say neally all houses on there are bought on blackstock,spotswood,bankwood and on overend there all just about bought just odd tower houses that are not
so please don't pull places down that people on there take alot of pride in and have made there homes very nice rest my case:roll:

Have you bothered to look at what else I've posted on this thread?

For a start I go down there quite a lot, and for second going down from Ironside to the Horse and Groom (which is where I meant) has always been a bit iffy.

Have a look back and see what I think of the Valley before you go shouting.

OH MY GOD
the counciL are responsible as the problem people on the estate. the council do nothing to help. they provide the houses yes but thats where it ends. anti social behaviour is met with "well keep a diary". that does not work. have personal experience in this which I will not divulge as it gets me very worked up. they council did nothing. and it went on for years, still the problem there and they still do nothing. diaries they have had in vast amounts. the council do NOTHING.

they wash their hands of it. thats why there are problems on the estate. the council left it to rot. did not focus on up keep of it, if they did perhaps the estate would be as good as it always was, but not they left it. some residents to blame of course and they should take the responsibiltiy but so should the council. we pay our council tax for nothing it seems
COUNCIL COUNCILTAX, RENT WHY ? 3 days i have beenn without heating or water now,council said for the last 2days would be out still waiting,my 4yr old recently out of hospital with phneumonia having to live in these conditions and i pay what i do,YET another family 400 yards away on benefits as usual been given a nice grant to do there maisonette up,courtesy of our great sheffield homes

i live on gleadless valley with my partner although i have my own house on yet another "bad area" Shiregreen. the council really should think very carefully when they rent out the empty properties. Three maisonettes became empty on this block ( all the residents on this block are elderly apart from us ) . What did they put in these places..... single mum with druggy boyfriend who are up all night banging doors , playing music , arguing and stay in bed all day. the second place was let to two alcoholics who again are young and don't work who drink all day and argue all night trying to kill each other. the third property was let to 2 drug addicts who yet again dont work , stay up all night taking things from their neighbors while they are asleep they dont work they are a problem and they have just had a new door costing around a thousand pounds which they have smashed in so many times its hanging off the hinges. they slam the door so loud the block shakes.

i know these people have to live some where but why put them all together in a lovely block like this which has now turned into a hell hole thanks to them and their visitors. it just seems that no thought has gone into the environment they are putting these people in. one bad apple is all i can say . i like it here but it is getting worse , perhaps not as bad as some parts of the valley but it is getting that way. I,m not having a go at these people before anyone jumps down my throat but i am sick of being kept awake all night when i go to work in the morning knowing they'll all be tucked up in bed all day :mad:

see two examples above of how the council are "doing" something about the problems. they do not care. as much as the scroats have some of the blame the council must take most of the blame. they are rubbish. totally rubbish. they do not give a toss. they put the scroats there, or they just ignore them. sod the decent resident.

That's why estates get a bad name. It's not the fault of the residents but the council, who don't seem to think twice about who they house where and what support they give them. If you stick all the young single people in one block they'll bother nobody but themselves, but as soon as they get next to families or quieter people there's trouble and conflict because of course the families want peace, the young people want to party. So a nice, respectable street or block just becomes a warzone.

I have to say it's disgusting that the police and local authorities cannot redirect some funding to make sure they can provide 24 hour, 365 days a year services who will come out to deal with noise nuisances and such like. Low level bad behaviour and crimes are what drag streets and blocks down but the authorities cannot get this simple service together. It wasn't very long ago that the police would come out and make yobbos and students turn their music off at 3am or whenever but they won't do this now. And they wonder why conflict arises? :huh:

I can understand people saying that it's not that bad, but do you honestly believe that the police have the time or the desire to mess about inflating crime figures for one area?
The system isn't that easy to manipulate, so if the figures show a hotspot in gleadless then there almost certainly is one.

Now you miss the point. any area could be made a hot spot if the police took every report serious. if we saw the true figures of crimes that happen we would have to declare policing an insuilt to the cause.
I know people that have been burgled and not got so much as an incident number.

now then you get some councilor looking over the figures and wants to know what the police are doing in a perticular area and this is taken by the police to get extra patrols in that area and have a strong police pressence. This is ok until the nieghbouring estate gets all the flack , more crime / less police to do anything about it.

Then its swings and roundabouts, someone notices that the crimes gone up and its starts over.
The answer ? well getting these nieghbourhood wardens for £20.000 isnt it, its just a cop out (pardon the pun) to have people walking about with little power ,resorces or I imagine the motivation to get to grips with social dissorder.
Putting a tram system through the area that goes no where benifitial or affordable to the local youths isnt the answer either.

more police would go a long way but unlike when I was at school and people wanted to be doctors,police ect now the kids just want to be pop stars or gangsters. recruiting and educating at school level is what the police should be looking at more and not name and shaming areas into submission.

The area is a hot spot, at least according to the figures. So which is it, are they not taking reports seriously, or do they record more of them than they would elsewhere?
The police don't have time to be messing about like this, I suspect that if the figures show more crimes then there are in reality more crimes.
I doubt it was the police's idea to release the figures either, they aren't interested in naming and shaming generally.

I'm a valley lass.

brought up at the back of the John O'Gaunt. Grandparents moved there in 1957, into the brand new build, on Gaunt Close, and I lived with them til my parents got their own maisonette on Gaunt Road.

ok, continuing the OT bit, (Sorry)

t'valley starts at the top end of blackstock road, and does actually cover sub-districts like rollestone (near bankwood school - which incidentally, IIRC was originally called rollestone!) and Hemsworth (covering mawfa/ constable/ gaunt/ ironside) as well as Herdings:- Raeburn, morland etc and parts of leighton.

my uncle's maisonette was on Sands Close, at the very top of gleadless hill, opposite ashleigh school, and that was also classed as "valley" , despite being i) the virtual summit of the hill, and ii) toward townend/spring-close / ashleigh.

Newfield green is also "valley", albeit on the periphery.

Who are Newfield School feuding with at the moment? Back in the late 80s/early 90s they feuded with Gleadless Valley School, GVS tried to drag me into it once but I didn't even know where the School was so I couldn't get involved, and even if I did know where it was I still wouldn't have, feuding is SO 500 years ago.

Have you bothered to look at what else I've posted on this thread?

For a start I go down there quite a lot, and for second going down from Ironside to the Horse and Groom (which is where I meant) has always been a bit iffy.

Have a look back and see what I think of the Valley before you go shouting.
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which are considered poor.
and the bits by the Horse and Groom going towards the woods
is this not what you put
so for a START say which part you mean wright so people don't get upset and SECOND going down towards the horse+groom is the areas where i said that are all nice and bought
i was not pulling you down for what you have been saying before but i found this quote to be wrong ,when these parts like lots more on gleadless valley are well looked after and very nice thank you do we understand each other now

see two examples above of how the council are "doing" something about the problems. they do not care. as much as the scroats have some of the blame the council must take most of the blame. they are rubbish. totally rubbish. they do not give a toss. they put the scroats there, or they just ignore them. sod the decent resident.
its very true,before gleadless they used to dump them on kelvin flats,which reduced a once good area to trash,when the flats came down they were shoved into other vacant properties,and before any one starts on kelvin,at one time you were not allocated a flat unless you were working,and the council inspector was a regular visitor to ensure the flats and the area were not bieng abused

the same with gleadless,it was a show area for sheffield at one time,the council are to blame for just shoving anyone in to the estate and forgetting about the decent folks that have spent many years on there

I thought they sent most of them off the Kelvin up Stannington, along with all the nutters off the Wybourne.,, Which is why the Sportsman's dead on a Sunday night, nobody goes in because a) they can't smoke and b) nobody dare go in cos they're scared of the numpties who hang round outside with their fags.

no rich,people and the scum were given a choice of where to live after kelvin came down,passing through gleadless i often spot some faces i remember from kelvin,as for those who dare not go in the sportsman,thats their problem,if they want to go in,numpties or not im sure they would,ive never had a problem on the times i called in,but i dont go in with an attitude or look down at other people who are outside having a smoke,i smoke,so would have at some time probably been stood outside myself,and i dont consider myself a numpty

Seeing as the bits from the Horse and Groom to the woods are on the way to Ironside, as the other ways go up to the church, or across to the dump, I thought it was pretty obvious, but ar, we understand each other.

It amazes me that it's taken so long for the city newspaper to cotton on to Gleadless Valley being the new Iraq.
I lived there until December 2007 and I couldn't leave fast enough. The downfall even in the 2.5 years I lived there was evident.
In 2007 alone we suffered vast amounts of antisocial behaviour issues with local teens, cars were written off due to vandalism and attemped theft. Someone set fire to our perimeter fence when we were in the house, leaving us no escape route (no back door) but thankfully we found it. The fence was graffitied and rubbish thrown in our garden.
That's other then stealing the for sale sign, smashing bottles all over the path outside (where our toddlers walked and often fell obviously), leaving stolen goods in the plants we put at the side of the house, vandalising the garage doors and harrassing the cat. People were dealing drugs on the street outside our living room window where we could see them, one of the neighbours appeared to be a dealer, another was a wife beater - we heard them many a time.
That's just one year. 2006 was equally disgusting.
No one on this planet could convince me to go back there, I left with a triumphant grin and I have cut all ties.
The area is terrible and is normally only defended by either criminals, those who are fortunate enough to live in the better parts of the area, those who are not involved with the neighbourhood and coincidentally live in the least affected areas and those who are loyal because they used to live there.
The only decent and likeable neighbours we had also had their house on the market and were desperate to move and I was pleased to note that they had found a buyer as we left, I hope they find somewhere nice.
I lived at Batemoor a long time ago, because it was the only council place I could get, GV was worse than Batemoor, by a long shot!
I couldn't be happier to have left and my advice to SY Police is to remove those few decent people who live there and carpet bomb as much of the area as possible.

Community spirit is all about a common ground and about the community pulling together. Ifyou can't all engage you will have conflict. Maybe not everyone is your cup of tea but you will have something in common, be it schools, buses, shops or young people.

Don't write a community off, it can be rebuilt if enough people want it.
I tried that, there was this HUGE thread on SF where I tried to drum up some support to deal with it and after a lot of heated arguments, a lot of disbelief and a whole lot of tit for tat, only 2 people said they would consider showing up to a meeting. 2! So 3 of us were meant to go out and conquer the whole thing.
I even spoke to the kids outside individually and in groups, some of them said they were too scared even to go to the youth club because of the distance and it's proximity to the J O'G.
When I gave them a really simple task to do, so that I could start getting some funding to do something - they did nothing.
I gave up and sold our house. I actually felt Winn Gardens deserved more help when I came over last year and brought stuff, GV, especially in the last 2 months I lived there, became somewhere I dreaded going and I was going anywhere to avoid going home.
Though community spirit is good and can often get a lot done, sometimes you just have to accept that no one wants to do anything.

Oh Z thats really sad to hear. I don't know what to say. The Valley is ripe for regen but it has to have some impetus from the grassroots to stand any chance of working.

I'm sure there are good people there who would do the work involved if they had the courage. I know its hard, I was sent to coventry by most of my estate alongside another for nearly a year for standing up against yobbish behaviour, but they got bored and all was eventually well.

All I can say is the estate has to heal itself, it can be helped and supported but it needs to come from within otherwise, any help offered will be thrown back in the face of those who give it. Those who live there need a local trusted face to head the regen and link with the services on offer.

I tried that, there was this HUGE thread on SF where I tried to drum up some support to deal with it and after a lot of heated arguments, a lot of disbelief and a whole lot of tit for tat, only 2 people said they would consider showing up to a meeting. 2! So 3 of us were meant to go out and conquer the whole thing.
I even spoke to the kids outside individually and in groups, some of them said they were too scared even to go to the youth club because of the distance and it's proximity to the J O'G.
When I gave them a really simple task to do, so that I could start getting some funding to do something - they did nothing.
I gave up and sold our house. I actually felt Winn Gardens deserved more help when I came over last year and brought stuff, GV, especially in the last 2 months I lived there, became somewhere I dreaded going and I was going anywhere to avoid going home.
Though community spirit is good and can often get a lot done, sometimes you just have to accept that no one wants to do anything.

I remember the thread Zebra, and I contributed on it as well.

It's here and closed, if people want a shufty through it (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=219330&highlight=gleadless+zebra)

I hope you're feeling much better now, by the way.

Just read all of this. Apart from the last couple of pages, there's nothing but pointless mindless bickering:rolleyes:

Although I did spot this....

And now the good news about Gleadless Valley: http://www.thestar.co.uk/letters/Gym39ll-fix-it-for-us.3788798.jp

Look at the one lone comment... if that isn't a forummer, he should be :hihi::hihi:

Just read all of this. Apart from the last couple of pages, there's nothing but pointless mindless bickering:rolleyes:

Although I did spot this....

Look at the one lone comment... if that isn't a forummer, he should be :hihi::hihi:

You're so right about the bickering - never mind the real issues, lets debate which streets are actually in GV! I saw the comment in the Star - he must be local. :roll:

I remember the huge thread mentioned by Zebra, and I won't be revisiting it, because it was exactly the same. She lived there, suffered from lots of anti social behaviour, and was shouted down time and again by people who should really know better. Zebra tried to garner some support to get the community to work together, and she was vilified.

Zebra, if you're reading this, I'm glad you now live somewhere you like. :) I think in some instances its a waste of time trying to offer any suggestions or produce any factual information - and this thread has proved to be one of those instances! :(

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It was great to see the article in the Star about the new gym, but we only know about it because of the article. Nobody has advertised it - when did it happen? Why were residents not informed? Also, apparently 90% of residents are unhappy - nobody asked MY opinion, or that of my parents, brother and many friends who live on the valley. Where are these 90% of residents?

I agree that if people get together things can be improved, but I have not seen any evidence of anybody trying!

Certainly anyone with an involvement in the local Tenants and Residents Association (TARA) would have known, the letter was from their chair. If people on an estate don't get involved in their TARA, they might be missing all sorts of things?

The area is a hot spot, at least according to the figures. So which is it, are they not taking reports seriously, or do they record more of them than they would elsewhere?
The police don't have time to be messing about like this, I suspect that if the figures show more crimes then there are in reality more crimes.
I doubt it was the police's idea to release the figures either, they aren't interested in naming and shaming generally.

WHAT!!! you dont even live here. the police DO NOT come out as much as they say. there is not a big police presence in the area. was driving on leighton road the other night and there was no one hanging round, no police, nothing. And you know what, it was just like normal.

we are not just saying all this you know. the police do come out to some incidents but mostly because its a racial issue. believe me the police leave it unless its that. phone them up to come and they respond within 10 minutes if its racial otherwise dont hold your breath. sad but true

an incident where an asylum seeker was targeted happened a while back and they got moved to a better house in another area within days. police came out at once and council sorted them out with bigger house in 2 days. another resident being targeted had to put up with it for years, police and council did nothing. and to some extent its still going on with that resident. the asylum seeker in question was a nice bloke and didnt deserve to be targeted. he had 3 young kids and a wife and they were a very nice family as most of residents are. but the police arrested and charged the man hassling them but nothing ever happened with that other tenant.

Zebra, sorry to hear bout your experiences and did read the other thread. is awful that you had a bad time here but can not agree that this is a new Iraq. that comment a bit too much.

so only people that defend the valley are criminals or live in better area. no you are wrong. I defend it cos its not that bad. had yoiuths hanging round, had troublesome neighbours,had fires and the like. but IT IS NOT THAT BAD. you make it sound like you fighting for your life while her. my god. winn gardens so much nicer is it. I know people there and its just the same, or do you live in the BETTER area of it.

is awful you had to put up with the scum where you were but to say that the only decent neighbour was someone who was also selling up is a downright insult to other decent people who lived near you, were the others ALL scum then. obviously you only had one good one.

do think that we should pull together though, but think a the people who do suffer probems and people who know them are scared to do anything. sad I know. thats the problem

its not just sorting out the youths on the street or the crime or the drugs. some parents need to be sorted out too. some kids are allowed to hang around till all hours, drinking, causing trouble and whatnot. with thieir parents not knowing where they are. long as out of their hair they dont give a toss.

I don't think Gleadless valley is that bad either, especially down the hill around Overend area. I have friends there and its so quiet.

I think if there is a problem its around the Herdings and the shops .. near the Blackstock Pub. Sure it looks poor, but that in itself is not an indicator that all is bad.

As for vandalism we regularly get the phone box smashed at Greystones, plus graffitti and litter on the Ecclesall Rd!

My house is for sale on Overend, I was very reluctant to move there but I have to say, I've not had 1 single problem, its VERY quiet on there. The neighbours are great.

The house sale isnt going very well, I havent had a viewing since December, the price has dropped by £5,000. This is certainly going to affect the sale :(

http://www.bairstoweves.co.uk/content/003_Search_Results/Property_Details/property-sales-FNC_RPS-WOD070246-1203473152

Zebra, sorry to hear bout your experiences and did read the other thread. is awful that you had a bad time here but can not agree that this is a new Iraq. that comment a bit too much.



I agree; that's a terrible slur on Iraq!

i grew up in ecclesall, i now live in gleadless valley, on a private estate called paxton court. its lovely, we moved here in november and people are incredably friendly. both me and my partner work and have 2 children. i think its how u are brought up that matters. u could put me in the bronx and id still work hard, have pride and self respect because thats how i was brought up. values need to be instilled in to children at a young age and even though im bringing my children up at gleadless does not mean thay will end up having babies at 14 and living off dole money, over my dead body.

My house is for sale on Overend, I was very reluctant to move there but I have to say, I've not had 1 single problem, its VERY quiet on there. The neighbours are great.

The house sale isnt going very well, I havent had a viewing since December, the price has dropped by £5,000. This is certainly going to affect the sale :(

http://www.bairstoweves.co.uk/content/003_Search_Results/Property_Details/property-sales-FNC_RPS-WOD070246-1203473152

gosh i dont know GV so i cant really comment but it does sound a bit rough :(
owlsman ive looked at your property and its lovely :D
but having to reduce it and it is really cheap doesnt say much for the area neither.
good luck with the sale though im sure some druggy will buy it (joke) :hihi::hihi:
good luck.

Think you need to get your facts straight, get down near horse and groom and see how many are council now !!!!!!!! the majority are bought

Its a nice little area around the Horse and Groom Pub, very quiet indeed and very little litter lying around.

i grew up in ecclesall, i now live in gleadless valley, on a private estate called paxton court. its lovely, we moved here in november and people are incredably friendly. both me and my partner work and have 2 children. i think its how u are brought up that matters. u could put me in the bronx and id still work hard, have pride and self respect because thats how i was brought up. values need to be instilled in to children at a young age and even though im bringing my children up at gleadless does not mean thay will end up having babies at 14 and living off dole money, over my dead body.

Same with me. I think the area is improving despite the negative press.

its not just sorting out the youths on the street or the crime or the drugs. some parents need to be sorted out too. some kids are allowed to hang around till all hours, drinking, causing trouble and whatnot. with thieir parents not knowing where they are. long as out of their hair they dont give a toss.

Do you think a curfew would help? They had one at Meersbrook and it seemed to work wonders. Might be worth harassing your local councillors about!

My house is for sale on Overend, I was very reluctant to move there but I have to say, I've not had 1 single problem, its VERY quiet on there. The neighbours are great.

The house sale isnt going very well, I havent had a viewing since December, the price has dropped by £5,000. This is certainly going to affect the sale :(

http://www.bairstoweves.co.uk/content/003_Search_Results/Property_Details/property-sales-FNC_RPS-WOD070246-1203473152

Sorry to hear this, but it might also have something to do with the general downturn in the property market.

I am optimistic about the future of Gleadless Valley, as people will always want three bedroomed, good value housing in a quiet area.
When you look at the cost of city centre flats and the problems they are having, in terms of quality and marketing, its not rosey for the owners of these places either.

I myself would rather have a three bed house around Overend Road, than have to face West Street first thing on a Saturday morning covered in sick and litter.

i live on gleadless valley with my partner although i have my own house on yet another "bad area" Shiregreen. the council really should think very carefully when they rent out the empty properties. Three maisonettes became empty on this block ( all the residents on this block are elderly apart from us ) . What did they put in these places..... single mum with druggy boyfriend who are up all night banging doors , playing music , arguing and stay in bed all day. the second place was let to two alcoholics who again are young and don't work who drink all day and argue all night trying to kill each other. the third property was let to 2 drug addicts who yet again dont work , stay up all night taking things from their neighbors while they are asleep they dont work they are a problem and they have just had a new door costing around a thousand pounds which they have smashed in so many times its hanging off the hinges. they slam the door so loud the block shakes.

i know these people have to live some where but why put them all together in a lovely block like this which has now turned into a hell hole thanks to them and their visitors. it just seems that no thought has gone into the environment they are putting these people in. one bad apple is all i can say . i like it here but it is getting worse , perhaps not as bad as some parts of the valley but it is getting that way. I,m not having a go at these people before anyone jumps down my throat but i am sick of being kept awake all night when i go to work in the morning knowing they'll all be tucked up in bed all day :mad:

Complain and keep complaining to the council, your MP and the police if necessary. something can be done about people like this these days. Just don't let them know its you.

People are being evictied these days for being anti-social. It may take a while, but there behaviour can be modified these days.

I would honestly take most things I read in The Star with a pinch of salt. This week it's Gleadless Valley, next week it'll be another estate. There's so little substance to The Star, they have to print something.

I've lived on Gleadless Valley for 14 years this year and haven't really experienced any problems. I have lovely uninterrupted views across to the Peak District (and spectacularly white today as well) and, ok, we've had a couple of car windows smashed (and yes, the Police DID attend) in that time but that doesn't just happen on council estates, it happens everywhere. For the most part it's quiet. My particular block is a mixture of elderly, a couple of young families and couples and the odd singleton. I and my immediate neighbours look out for each other's homes, cars, etc. I use the local shops and whilst the tearaways and layabouts annoy me in principle, they don't prevent me going about my business. I keep myself to myself and get on with it. Aesthetically, is there a greener council estate in Sheffield? Have you looked at it on Google Earth? I would certainly rather live here with lots of green and open spaces.

People harp on about Blackstock or Gaunt, and ok the pubs of the same names appear (I've never been in either so I can only go by reputation) dodgy but from what I can tell going up Blackstock to the roundabout, the majority of semis and tower houses appear to be privately owned now and look very nice with their modernised windows and/or nice cars standing on block-paved driveways. You don't spend that kind of money if you don't want to live in the area. You can also see a lot of the tower houses around the bottom of Blackstock, Bankwood and Overend are now privately owned.

The comments about it being like Iraq really get on my nerves. Who says the trouble causers all come off Gleadless Valley? When a friend's husband had his car nicked (off their private estate at Gleadless), the thief in question came from Dore! Like clarez85 above says, myself and my partner work hard and have been dragged up properly to work hard and have decent morals and values and respect for ourselves and other people. The fact that some people aren't is a pity and a reflection on today's society in general; it's really unfair to tar everyone with the same brush.

here here shazbat

To be perfectley honest, i have lived in gleadless valley for nearly 8 years now and i have not had one single bit of trouble since i've been here! sure, there is the odd arguement and the odd idiot that soils it for everyone but every area suffers from the odd idiot surley?

to be blunt, i would rather live here than the middle of the manor or pitsmoor or even arbourthorne, just another clear incident of scare tactics by the star, QUICK NO ONE IS SAFE!! Wake up people!.

We are actually a very close community, and i have always said, if you make trouble then expect trouble!!

My house is for sale on Overend, I was very reluctant to move there but I have to say, I've not had 1 single problem, its VERY quiet on there. The neighbours are great.

The house sale isnt going very well, I havent had a viewing since December, the price has dropped by £5,000. This is certainly going to affect the sale :(

http://www.bairstoweves.co.uk/content/003_Search_Results/Property_Details/property-sales-FNC_RPS-WOD070246-1203473152
It looks like a property for a first time buyer (or second time, buying bigger), and it doesn't seem like the best time at the mo.
I think it looks like a lovely house owlsman, and a perfectly reasonable price. Good luck with it :thumbsup:

WHAT!!! you dont even live here. the police DO NOT come out as much as they say. there is not a big police presence in the area. was driving on leighton road the other night and there was no one hanging round, no police, nothing. And you know what, it was just like normal.
The report said a crime hotspot, not a police hotspot.

we are not just saying all this you know. the police do come out to some incidents but mostly because its a racial issue. believe me the police leave it unless its that. phone them up to come and they respond within 10 minutes if its racial otherwise dont hold your breath. sad but true
Doesn't alter the number of reports does it.

an incident where an asylum seeker was targeted happened a while back and they got moved to a better house in another area within days. police came out at once and council sorted them out with bigger house in 2 days. another resident being targeted had to put up with it for years, police and council did nothing. and to some extent its still going on with that resident. the asylum seeker in question was a nice bloke and didnt deserve to be targeted. he had 3 young kids and a wife and they were a very nice family as most of residents are. but the police arrested and charged the man hassling them but nothing ever happened with that other tenant.

So make a complaint. You're hardly helping your argument here, if it wasn't a crime hotspot then you wouldn't have all these stories to tell.

there are not as many reports as the police say!!! or are they lying. cos th police not exactly truthful are they. and for gods sake if it was a crime hotspot you would imagine big police presence or police cars speeding around here wouldnt yiou, but no there no BIG POLICE PRESENCE AT ALL:rant:

and the asylum seeker incident, do you think we did not complain, of course we did, it got us nowhere, NOWHERE. the council ignored this incident when we complained about preferential treatment. they did NOTHING:rant::rant:

OH MY GOD. the council have let troublemakers off with so much. the anti social behavour of some families is ignored. the council just say keep diary and believe me that gets you nowhere. the youths causing the gang trouble should have a curfew imposed as was mentioned earlier in this thread, that could help.

do you really think the people on here defending our area are just making it all up, or are blind or are just stupid or troublemakers ourselves. we are not we are decent folk living in a nice area which like many many many other areas in sheffield has a few bad points.and further you do not live here you do not have the experience of living here so your comments could be a bit more constructive rather than dismissive

The police are truthful yes, especially when they have no reason at all to lie.
You however are biased.

Instead of complaining about the result someone got, why didn't you complain to the correct body (The IPCC if it's a complaint about the police) about them not giving the other person the assistance they needed?

You can't quite make up your mind. There are anti social families getting away with things, but there is no crime problem, which is it?

I think you're biased and defending your area because you live there and you like it, I can't think of any reason for the police report to be incorrect and you haven't offered anything except a rather confusing defence where you say that there is no crime and then give numerous examples of there being crime.

How could my comments be more constructive. I'm just countering your point that the police are either lying or incorrect. I don't think they have any reason to lie, and I don't believe the system can be manipulated to alter the reported crime figures. Hence the report is probably correct and your bias is leading you to misinterpret reality.

Spent only one afternoon in Gleadless Valley, but yet managed to meet a menacing chap who had just got out of jail for assaulting a Police Officer, and had my orange juice spiked with heroin! Really!

I or anyone else has never said that there were no problems at all. there are we are saying they are not as bad as stated in article in The Star.

you obviously not reading these posts cos I have not even said there is no crime. there is just not to the extent the article said. and yes I will defend this area COS IT IS NOT THAT BAD. has problems but so do other areas across sheffield. gleadless valley not the worst. my god there are shootings and the like in otherareas. burngreave is like a no go area at night but nevermind cos gleadless worse is it.

and the police are not wholly truthful, past history tells us that and if you believe they are then you not only an idiot but short sighted too. Now fair enough that was low of me to say but Im getting a bit p****** at you for saying that I have said there is no crime or problems when I have stated many times that there is just not to the extent being potrayed!!!!!!

Well, I guess you won that argument, calling someone an idiot always proves you're right.

cyclone you can not read, no one on here has said that this area has no crime at all, all admitted there is, including sez. there are problems and crime but no more than most areas in sheffield.

get your glasses on and recitfy the accusation you just threw at sez, you called her a liar and she obviously isnt.

there are plenty of us on here stating what happening on the estate and we all agree it is a nice area it is just that there are a few troublemakers spoiling it for the good people.

and the police do lie. there are some very good police men/women out there, but it comes down to politics with this and the higher end of the police force can sometimes be a bit alloborate
think yoiu will find that the remark from sez was low of her but she explained why she made it. least she trying to get her point across to you.

just seen calendar what a joke !!!! the council people on shops 1st time they been on there,and what came out of the coucillors mouths was not but total crap,done nothing with schools, never asked anyone over what we want PATHETIC :rant::rant::rant:

I dont think Gleadless is any worse than anywhere else in sheffield but now they have just cause to do something about it.

Cyclone, If your on a council est and want to report a crime it isnt taken serious. the police seem to think that its your own problem living in that area.
Then they start taking every report serious because they have someone peering over there shoulder and WAMMO ! instantly the figures go sky high and instant bad spot without having to doctor figures or anything.

crime exists everywhere and the police are selective in where they appear.

Zebra, if you're reading this, I'm glad you now live somewhere you like. :) I think in some instances its a waste of time trying to offer any suggestions or produce any factual information - and this thread has proved to be one of those instances! :(

Thankyou. I love our new house and the area seems to be very good. The only glitch is that we have the countryside just a couple of hundred metres away from our house, leading to nuisance motorcyclists. You might well imagine that I've already begun to deal with that. This is my haven.
Thanks for your support :D

so only people that defend the valley are criminals or live in better area. no you are wrong. I defend it cos its not that bad. had yoiuths hanging round, had troublesome neighbours,had fires and the like. but IT IS NOT THAT BAD. you make it sound like you fighting for your life while her. my god. winn gardens so much nicer is it. I know people there and its just the same, or do you live in the BETTER area of it.

is awful you had to put up with the scum where you were but to say that the only decent neighbour was someone who was also selling up is a downright insult to other decent people who lived near you, were the others ALL scum then. obviously you only had one good one.

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No, I'm afraid I have to disagree, my opinion is valid as it's based on my experience and it really is that bad. Yes, pretty much all my neighbours were terrible. The house opposite was the drug dealer and the rest of the road were barely any better. We had issues with or witnessed vile behaviour from pretty much all of them.
In essence, having someone set fire to our fence, which was our only means of escape - pretty much IS fighting for your life.
I was certainly fighting to live any sort of quality of life and spent lots of time and money avoiding going home.
It is that bad, there's no changing it, it's my opinion and if I felt it was so bad I had to get away as fast as I could. We considered the new houses on Willow Edge but decided we needed to get much further away.
Also I stand by what I said about the people who defend the area but I shall add one more - those people who know the 'right' people, the friends of the criminals and drug dealers, they tend to be safe. But that's just as unacceptable.
I have seen some threads on here from GV people who seem to be very respectable and I feel sorry to offend them but it doesn't change a thing, the area is the pits.
Though I lived in the Middle Hay area my aunt lived just behind the J O'G and then on Constable. I've spent a lot of time in the area and I know it well.
The scariest fact I can share with you is sourced from a relative of mine who works for the police, if you had ANY idea of the volume of crime in the area you'd be amazed. And horrified.
There is FAR more crime in that area than most of the residents are aware of. We suffered a lot of it and even I was amazed.
There cannot be a continuous police prescence, though it would help, it simply costs too much and there are limited resources to spread right across the city and to cover te other problem areas.
GV is worse than many other areas, I've lived in Rother Valley, The Manor, Heeley,GV, Sharrow, Batemoor and now Kiveton. GV is by far the worst, followed by Batemoor. My experience of crime whilst living on The Manor was non existant.
I simply cannot comprehend why anyone would defend the area if they had endured what we did, for those who are fortunate, or naive, I just hope they don't become as miserable as we did.

well they cant put areas like pitsmoor can they really?

i moved to middle hay in 1999 and in all my time here have not witnessed the sort of crime some people are talkin about in fact i bought my property in 2004 and am still happy here the only crime committed against me in that time was my headlights smashed in about 2002, although i do know some round me have had their cars broken into recently, i am not claiming benefits,with children or living/married to anyone i am a single woman living on my own and am quite happy to walk in the area at night without any fear of being attacked, maybe im naive or just plain daft but i feel safe here!

We endured 4 months of hell on Sands Close in 2006 and ended up leaving because of the harrassment we suffered from neighbours. This included writing graffiti on our door, threatening my wife and children, throwing stones at our cats, and climbing onto our balcony.

Apart from the harrassment aimed at us we suffered from sleepless nights caused by families sitting outside drinking and shouting 'til the early hours, and several families on our block allowing their children (some as young as 8 ) to play outside until after midnight.

zebra, yiou moved around a lot. you always like this about areas you live. seems you cant settle anywhere. GV is NOT THAT BAD.

an to insult EVERYONE OF YOUR NEIGHBOURS is downright disgusting. so EVERRYONE was bad neighbour. can not condone the scum that set fire to your fence etc and thy really do need stringing up for that. and can not imagine how bad that was for you but to slate everyone and say people who friends with scum are SAFE. Im not friends with any drug dealers, drug users, criminals, asbo youths, nuiscance neighbours and I feel safe and have had no trouble.

oh my god, zebra, everyone so very bad on the valley. agree with above post, you have moved around alot havent you.

I am also no friend to scum on the valley and I have no trouble either.

you out of order slating the good people of the valley, can not believe that every neighbour where you lived on the valley were bad. now remember neighbours are not just directly next door, they from the street where you live, the back and front of where you live and across the road where you live. generally you slating a good amount of good people there.

zebra, yiou moved around a lot. you always like this about areas you live. seems you cant settle anywhere. GV is NOT THAT BAD.

an to insult EVERYONE OF YOUR NEIGHBOURS is downright disgusting. so EVERRYONE was bad neighbour. can not condone the scum that set fire to your fence etc and thy really do need stringing up for that. and can not imagine how bad that was for you but to slate everyone and say people who friends with scum are SAFE. Im not friends with any drug dealers, drug users, criminals, asbo youths, nuiscance neighbours and I feel safe and have had no trouble.

lioness, a large proportion of my neighbours were bad, (see my post 92, earlier in this thread about what me and my ex hub had to put up with)

you are lucky, no, strike that:- "exceptionally fortunate", to not have had problems.

we had purgatory when we had all this going on next door to us. raids by the police all hours of the day and night. It was unbelieveable, that the council housed so many undesireables together, in one small block.

Zebra's experience was that it was hellish, my experience was that it was hellish, and the three decent families who lived either side of the scummers on the block we were on, also thought it hellish, too, as they were driven out by the ASB from these scummers.

Three families were stuck in that single block of 20 properties, because they'd bought their properties before the scummers moved in, and now had no hope of selling up and getting away...

four families simply driven out by the level of the AS behaviour,

a couple of elderly couples, just counting the days till they could be rehoused in sheltered housing, because they couldn't cope.

the ASB might have "only" been one fifth of the tenancies, but by gum they were 100% of the perpetrators of the trouble.

I am also no friend to scum on the valley and I have no trouble either.

You have no trouble? make your mind up!

I've never lived or spent any great deal of time there, but as an outsider your posts are making the place sound just lovely, and you're the one defending the place!

Maybe the place is really that bad - but it doesnt bother you?

I have never said there is no trouble. I have said thatI have never had any trouble, and so have a lot of other people.

and what zebra and plaintalker have been through it terrible beyond words. would never disagree with that.

There is trouble here. and maybe I am fortunate not to have had any but there are a large amount of people who have never had any trouble.

Iknow a family who live near mansfield road and at the moment they are going through hell there with gangs of youths causing so much trouble for them. , this kind of culture, unfortunately happening on nearly every area.

I am defending the valley cos it is just like any other estate, good and bad points. think lioness would agree with that. she has said much the same thing.

I think the fact that the valley has a few block of flats does not help. they really need to come down, also years ago there were pensioner flats, now they are let out to young people, but there are still some pensioners living there, underneath the younger ones and this causes mayhem. its a sad state of affairs when the youths can not show any respect for anyone. Gleadless Valley does have a lot of good people here and I just want to get that across, we not all criminals and scum. most of us here live a good life, have a great life and never expereince trouble here, does not mean it does not happen. i just dont think its as bad as potrayed in the star. it makes it sound like a right cesspit. its not. it is a glorious beautiful estate, with lots of greeenery and woods running the whole way along.

there are a few people that need getting rid of, putting them in their own filth to wallow would be a good idea. they spoil the estate. the decent people should not be tarred the same as them. there are more decent folk than there are troublemakers here. thats all. The valley no different from most of areas of sheffield.

Is important to us who love the area. Gleadless VALLEY is that A VALLEY. herdings not in it, neither is john o'gaunt. Gleadless Valley school was in bloody norton for gods sake so how that classed as the valley??????? it overlooked the valley was never in it. but yoiu are right in that there is no community anymore. I remember years ago when people getting married would have their do at the tenants hall on newfield green shops. was always a great night. no worries with it. shame its got bad bits in area now. great shame

Some of my family live near john o gaunt, its not really that bad like you say no worse than other areas really. but i always thought that John o gaunt was the Valley, you learn somat new every day.

maybe you should look at it from a different angle - just because there are some decent people living in an area, doesnt mean its a good area!

Coming from Glasgow originally, i've had friends that lived in some proper dodgy areas - my friends were good people, and there were many other people living in these areas that were good hard working , law abiding people - but the bad element dragged the whole place down and make it a s***hole.
These 'bad elements' did the same kind of things you've described as well as the more serious things others have mentioned - when this type of thing is going on, to any outsider the area that it goes on in can only be viewed as a 'bad' area. Yes other areas also have problems, though it doesnt make your area any better. Even though you say its not that bad, the descriptions you've given as well as those from others only serve to confirm the stats which say it is actually that bad - you're just used to it.

I think he reason this thread has gone on so long is because you and lioness etc feel you must defend the area and say its not so bad, rather than accept it does actually have the problems that make an area 'bad', and share your good experiences to let us know that its not all bad, and has some good points too.

sorry!!!! im not accepting it has problems, have I just not said that. I have not always said that. It IS a decent area. not as good as it once was admittedly but not as bad as the star article potrayed. that is all I am saying, it is not as bad as the star said.

there are decent people living all over sheffield believe it or not and no just because of that it does not make an area great, never said that. said there were some good people here and they like myself never encountered problems. i feel that it is not an extremely very very very crime/drug/asbo ridden area. we hav some of that as I have mentioned before. course we do. but I FEEL myself that it is NOT AS BAD AS POTRAYED IN THE STAR ARTICLE. never said the valley was the epitome of greatness. how can I be used to the problems when I have never had any? there are bad problems here, if you read all the posts you will see. but you seem to acknowledge these problems but seem to ignore all the good posts on here. so just cos there are bad reviews of the area, its v v v v v v bad, ignore the good posts, it is not heaven in the valley, nowhere is. good and bad points like everywhere else. but I have had a good life here and will continue to as will my family. ok.

and miss1889 it is the valley up there, just as kids we always thought of it as hemsworth. remember the 43 bus used to be hemsworth, we all thought it was a different area. we were kids. and its just what you grow up with thats all.

sorry!!!! im not accepting it has problems, have I just not said that.

Are you going to make me trawl through the last couple of hundred posts to prove you wrong? I will! :P

It IS a decent area.
I dont know either way, all I'm saying is that it doesnt sound like it from all the posts i've read so far, many of them from you. It sounds like there may be decent people living there, but sounds far from a decent area.

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zebra, yiou moved around a lot. you always like this about areas you live. seems you cant settle anywhere. GV is NOT THAT BAD.


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NO, really, it IS that bad! Your experience might not be that bad but mine was, so it really is that bad.
My moving around is entirely irrelevent but to illustrate my point - I spent 6 years in Heeley, 6 in Batemoor, 2.5 in GV, 4 in Rother Valley and just a few months in temporary digs in the other areas.
I do settle but I've moved from my one bed flat in Batemoor to a 2 bed house in Heeley, 3 bed house in GV and now a 4 bed in Kiveton - because I developed relationships and had kids - but I think 6 years per house is fine. Still irrelevent, I only mentioned it because it gave me warrant to point out that GV is worse than a lot of areas, including those I've lived in.
Slating my neighbours is perfectly warranted too, front back and sides. IN front was some woman who seemed to have a suspiciously large amount of visitors and they spent most of the days outside with an entouage of kids, drinking, smoking and playing loud music. Behind was the drug dealer. Next to them was some dotty old lady who kept having to go and get her bin back from the quarry and was rather odd and rather rude (she was the least of our problems), next to her were the nice couple I mentioned previously.
Next neighbour along, the wife beater, loud music screaming fights, smashed bottles etc etc, next to them grandmother, 2 daughters and their daughters, constant yelling, door slamming, 2 y/o's running around alone after dark. Next door again, parent with multiple teens - major bad attitude, drinking on the streeet, antisocial behaviour and theft.
Next door again, parent with son and daughter, son was a royal pain in the neck, breaking things, drinking, smoking (various substances), antisocial behaviour, vandalism and theft.
After that we saw the remaining neighbours less often and no one of them were nice either. Maybe there were some nice ones we didn't know about - but I doubt it.
So, I feel entirely warranted in slating all the neighbours cos they were all awful.
It wasn't one of our dire neighbours who set fire to the fence though, it was some kid off Spotswood, a friend of one of the dire neighbours.
We never found out who did the rest of the things, in many cases we couldn't get enough evidence and some crimes we overlooked because I was so sick of calling the police.
What's more, it wasn't just our road, we could see the local pub and the amount of car fires that happened there, we witnessed beatings outside it as we've been on the way home. We've seen how many times the bus sheltershave had to be replaced, pretty much once a month because of the selfish vandalism of the idiots round there on Leighton. I saw the road above used as a police trap where car thieves left cars and ran on foot past our house to escape. We saw the woods beside our house set on fire so many times I lost count. We saw the investigation of the 2 major crimes which happened just before the bend onto Newfield Green and we saw the bus parked up whch had been stoned by the local hooligans. That's just when we were home, imagine how many more incidents happened whilst we were out avoiding going home.
Our neighbouring dealer had a whole load of dodgy dealings going on, many of which we saw out of our lounge window, involving strange transfer of diesel, drugs, boxed goods, vehicles and much, much more. I saw them hiding rubber gloves in our plants... not sure why but somethings odd there.
I found a stolen stereo thrown into the bushes at the side of our house one day as I got in from work. I imagine it was abandoned during a chase.
There's no denying GV really is just plain awful, just because you don't hear of it or experience it first hand, doesn't mean it isn't happening.
I'll say it again, if you had any concept of the actual levels and quantities of crime in the area you'd be amazed and you certainly wouldn't be walking around at night and feeling brave about it.

NO, really, it IS that bad! Your experience might not be that bad but mine was, so it really is that bad.
My moving around is entirely irrelevent but to illustrate my point - I spent 6 years in Heeley, 6 in Batemoor, 2.5 in GV, 4 in Rother Valley and just a few months in temporary digs in the other areas.
I do settle but I've moved from my one bed flat in Batemoor to a 2 bed house in Heeley, 3 bed house in GV and now a 4 bed in Kiveton - because I developed relationships and had kids - but I think 6 years per house is fine. Still irrelevent, I only mentioned it because it gave me warrant to point out that GV is worse than a lot of areas, including those I've lived in.
Slating my neighbours is perfectly warranted too, front back and sides. IN front was some woman who seemed to have a suspiciously large amount of visitors and they spent most of the days outside with an entouage of kids, drinking, smoking and playing loud music. Behind was the drug dealer. Next to them was some dotty old lady who kept having to go and get her bin back from the quarry and was rather odd and rather rude (she was the least of our problems), next to her were the nice couple I mentioned previously.
Next neighbour along, the wife beater, loud music screaming fights, smashed bottles etc etc, next to them grandmother, 2 daughters and their daughters, constant yelling, door slamming, 2 y/o's running around alone after dark. Next door again, parent with multiple teens - major bad attitude, drinking on the streeet, antisocial behaviour and theft.
Next door again, parent with son and daughter, son was a royal pain in the neck, breaking things, drinking, smoking (various substances), antisocial behaviour, vandalism and theft.
After that we saw the remaining neighbours less often and no one of them were nice either. Maybe there were some nice ones we didn't know about - but I doubt it.
So, I feel entirely warranted in slating all the neighbours cos they were all awful.
It wasn't one of our dire neighbours who set fire to the fence though, it was some kid off Spotswood, a friend of one of the dire neighbours.
We never found out who did the rest of the things, in many cases we couldn't get enough evidence and some crimes we overlooked because I was so sick of calling the police.
What's more, it wasn't just our road, we could see the local pub and the amount of car fires that happened there, we witnessed beatings outside it as we've been on the way home. We've seen how many times the bus sheltershave had to be replaced, pretty much once a month because of the selfish vandalism of the idiots round there on Leighton. I saw the road above used as a police trap where car thieves left cars and ran on foot past our house to escape. We saw the woods beside our house set on fire so many times I lost count. We saw the investigation of the 2 major crimes which happened just before the bend onto Newfield Green and we saw the bus parked up whch had been stoned by the local hooligans. That's just when we were home, imagine how many more incidents happened whilst we were out avoiding going home.
Our neighbouring dealer had a whole load of dodgy dealings going on, many of which we saw out of our lounge window, involving strange transfer of diesel, drugs, boxed goods, vehicles and much, much more. I saw them hiding rubber gloves in our plants... not sure why but somethings odd there.
I found a stolen stereo thrown into the bushes at the side of our house one day as I got in from work. I imagine it was abandoned during a chase.
There's no denying GV really is just plain awful, just because you don't hear of it or experience it first hand, doesn't mean it isn't happening.
I'll say it again, if you had any concept of the actual levels and quantities of crime in the area you'd be amazed and you certainly wouldn't be walking around at night and feeling brave about it.

Why did you even buy this house? I'm more shocked that you managed to sell it!

We bought it in sheer desperation, expecting twins and needing a bigger house, we knew it would be rough but we didn't have any concept of just how bad.
The selling was ingenious, we sold to one of those companies like National Homebuyers, they gave us less than the market value (but our new builders made up the difference :D).

i used to live on Landseer walk Gleadless valley, which wasn't too bad a place yeah you got damage to your car every 18 months if you where unlucky. but generally it wasn't a bad place, it was always blackstock road and especially the john o'gaunt area that was considered the worst for trouble. The odd burnt out car in the car park of the gaunt didn't exactly look good. but having lived in pitsmoor i can tell you the area between constable road and leighton road seemed like paradise. council estates will always get bad mouthed and it's a shame, because the majority of the time people want to keep their houses and estate nice. It's a pity it's only the crime and bad points get highlighted and not the fact that most people are decent people who just want to live in peace!

We bought it in sheer desperation, expecting twins and needing a bigger house, we knew it would be rough but we didn't have any concept of just how bad.
The selling was ingenious, we sold to one of those companies like National Homebuyers, they gave us less than the market value (but our new builders made up the difference :D).

I'm glad you were able to get away its no good living somewhere that makes your life a misery.

I live at Gleadless and my experience is quite the opposite from yours, we have good neighbours and haven't had any trouble in the 7 years we have been here.
I personally don't think Gleadless is all that bad.

That's great, I wouldn't wish my experience on anyone.
I hope it stays nice for you in the part you live in.

I moved to Gleadless about three and a half years ago. It was really nice then, the neighbours were chatty, the part of the estate that I was on was always clean and tidy and the block of flats that I live in was always in a good state of repair.
Over the last eighteen months it really has gone downhill, but not to the extent that is being reported.
The crime problems in the area are mainly vandalism and fly tipping. The fly tipping especially as people can't be bothered to cue at the dumpit site and just offload their rubbish into the surrounding woodland.
This problem is not entirely caused by the residents of Gleadless, although at the last tenants meeting the council were urging people to report it as at present nobody really bothers.
Other crimes that you do witness on and around my part of the estate are miners on mini bikes or dirt bikes riding around the pedestrianised areas by the shops or on any of the extensive and beautiful green areas that we have at our disposal.
Car crime is another issue that we have come across. My OH's car has been broken into as has my neighbours van just to mention two that have affected my life.

Although these crimes do take place the area is still not as bad as some areas I have lived in and are certainly not as bad as some of the areas my friends live in now.

Some of us are getting our heads together to think of ways to improve our area of the estate, we have started to attend the tenants meetings to find out a bit more about what is being done and to see what we can do to make it better.

More input is definitely needed by younger people at these meetings as the average age of attendees must be 70.

If some of the passion put into arguing on this thread was put into improving the area for everyone then it would fast become a thriving and great area again.

Here are a few pictures of the heart of Gleadless Valley, and one of the reasons it's so great to live here.
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u49/monkeyloon/079.jpg
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u49/monkeyloon/081.jpg
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u49/monkeyloon/076.jpg

If some of the passion put into arguing on this thread was put into improving the area for everyone then it would fast become a thriving and great area again.
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The conclusion I bring to this lot is if your the sort to be a victim then you will be no matter where you live.

maybe im more thick skinned but I have had crime done against me and have not let it get to me like the extent it seems it has other on here posting.

maybe if the council looked at ways of dealing with the bordom and the negativity that seems to dominate our media (T.V included) and estates, then maybe the youths could have a possitive out look and respect people, life, and our existance in total.

Instead of listening to how bad life is and how the future is fu ked with the global climate ect, and if we our selves as parents didnt listen to all the cr4p about terrorists and the stuff that bush ect wants the world to beleve to do their cause, then maybe we could get back to letting our children live and grow up worry free. instead of brain washing them to look forard to a world of misssery and war.

maybe instead of closing public houses and other social meeting points the council invested in communities instead of migration we would all live in a better place.

To be honnest, how much consultation did the citizans of SHEFFIELD get about the mass new build of flats hotels ect that no one wants ?
How much consultation did areas get about council estates get abouty demolition and the migraton of estates ?
How much consultation did estates get on immigration to the communities from other parts of the world and the UK ?

Sod all.


Thanks for the wake up call all you that we elected but we kind of thought that we voted you in to improve things instead of taking your 30 pieces of silver and falling in line with the rest.

I think the real SCUM are not police or people living on council estates but the people that forget their roots and take the challace of someone elses cause and not ours.

I think the real SCUM are not police or people living on council estates but the people that forget their roots and take the challace of someone elses cause and not ours.

What do you mean by this? :huh:

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This problem is not entirely caused by the residents of Gleadless, although at the last tenants meeting the council were urging people to report it as at present nobody really bothers.
Other crimes that you do witness on and around my part of the estate are miners on mini bikes or dirt bikes riding around the pedestrianised areas by the shops or on any of the extensive and beautiful green areas that we have at our disposal.
Car crime is another issue that we have come across. My OH's car has been broken into as has my neighbours van just to mention two that have affected my life.

Although these crimes do take place the area is still not as bad as some areas I have lived in and are certainly not as bad as some of the areas my friends live in now.

Some of us are getting our heads together to think of ways to improve our area of the estate, we have started to attend the tenants meetings to find out a bit more about what is being done and to see what we can do to make it better.

More input is definitely needed by younger people at these meetings as the average age of attendees must be 70.

If some of the passion put into arguing on this thread was put into improving the area for everyone then it would fast become a thriving and great area again.

Here are a few pictures of the heart of Gleadless Valley, and one of the reasons it's so great to live here.
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u49/monkeyloon/079.jpg
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u49/monkeyloon/081.jpg
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u49/monkeyloon/076.jpg

The photos are lovely. Its because of those parts that Gleadless Valley compares very well to the rest of Sheffield in terms of its environment.

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I'm glad you're not suffering too much where you live, but I can remember zebra's (and other people's) unhappiness due to what was happening around them there.

Zebra tried previously to rally support, its been mentioned earlier, and had very little success. In fact she had to put up with some pretty nasty comments - as if she had no rights because she hadn't lived there since the estate was built. :suspect: But the tenants' group/TARA is a good place to start, and you are spot on - it does need younger people to get involved. I used to work with groups like these, and I was usually one of the youngest - in my late 50's! You might also be interested in this: http://www.sheffieldhomes.org.uk/about-us/area-boards/area-board-meetings
Gleadless Valley is in the South East area, and again, most board members are in the upper age group. There could be opportunities to get involved there. Good luck! :thumbsup:

Other crimes that you do witness on and around my part of the estate are miners on mini bikes or dirt bikes riding around the pedestrianised areas by the shops or on any of the extensive and beautiful green areas that we have at our disposal.


Since the pits shut down they've got nothing to do, that's the trouble. :hihi:

Since the pits shut down they've got nothing to do, that's the trouble. :hihi:

Give me a break, it was ten to three in the morning:hihi:

So it was, I apologise. It conjured up an intriguing vision though...

So it was, I apologise. It conjured up an intriguing vision though...

As I was raised in a pit village I really don't have to stretch the imagination to see it:hihi:

Tonight's 'Star' has a piece about the reaction to the earlier article and how it has acted as catalyst for a public meeting to discuss how to tackle problems.

I'll copy the date, time etc. when I can get the paper back from the outhouse!

Lets see our GV residents there. Eh?



.... Tuesday March 4th - 6:30 pm - Gleadless Tenants Hall (which I assume means "Newfield Green Tenants Hall")

I have lived on the Valley for forty years now, my wife and myself have brought up two beautiful children who we are very proud of, they never ever brought any trouble to the door ever!Alas in the past twenty years(thats when it started to slide) its plumbed the depths, the council should take the blame for putting all the rubish from Kelvin,Norfolk Park,Pitsmoor ect plus all the refugees that are here two (dont give me any racist crap Im only speaking the truth)
When we moved here everybody was proud of their homes, all the windows were sparkling clean the fronts were washed every week,everybody interacted, we met in the Pub on a night (if we had a babysitter) we all went to wedding and birthday dos at the Tennants hall it was great but now what a difference, windows are rarely cleaned, windows are never opened,curtains are never drawn back in fact on the Maisonettes where I live one bloke has not drawn his curtains back for at least fifteen years and the house is absolutley filthy.The refugees on this block are as bad windows always covered by bits of curtains and such even though they are pulling in more money from the state than I can earn a week.
No one has any pride in their homes any more except for the older people,the young people just do not care about anything or anybody,they let their designer dogs out to crap anywhere and everwhere despite signing a tenancy agreement not to have dogs,refuse is left outside the front doors,beer cans are thrown on to the grass for someone else to pick up. The youths who have left school have no intention of getting a job, and they just roam around looking for what they can steal --- But they are some very decent young people here they try their hardest to get work and judging by the young men on the bus in a morning a lot of them have succeeded. My comments are mainly about things in and around these Maisonettes where I live but other people who I know on the Valley its exactly the same where they live. Oh yes there is an arsonist living near the Wyvern but he still hasnt been caught by the Police up to now he has torched around seven cars,I think he gets his kicks out of the siren on the Fire Engine, hes probably one of the scum that was re-located here by the Council. come back Sillitoe !!! the Sheffield Gang buster.

Hi - i am a trainee journalist and would be interested in talking to anyone with strong opinions about the recent story in The Star. If you have time please send me a message. Thanks.

You just have to read and Quote the forums. People obviously have strong opinions in the area that they live in, its just a pitty that the council doesn't have as much regard for these areas as the people paying them rent to live in them.

You just have to read and Quote the forums. People obviously have strong opinions in the area that they live in, its just a pitty that the council doesn't have as much regard for these areas as the people paying them rent to live in them.

Strangely, people from the better off areas of Sheffield complain about the council putting all their effort and most of their money into 'Closing the Gap'. :confused:

I don't think it does anything for an area to be labeled as 'bad'. Reinforcing a negative reputation makes people not want to move into the area so regeneration doesn't occur. A place is never all bad anyway and it's a home to a lot of people. Calling a place a 'bad area' is like giving people permission to keep ruining it and does nothing for any remaining sense of community.

Having just been door knocking with a community liaison officer, trying to get people involved in a new community project, I have found out just how angry Sheffield Homes are about the whole thing.
Apparently the Sheffield Star were going to print some more 'balanced' stories about the area to try and appease the residents and undo some of the damage, however this has not come to fruition.
I will be attending the public meeting and I strongly urge anyone else from the area to come along aswell and get your point heard by the relevant people.

Having just been door knocking with a community liaison officer, trying to get people involved in a new community project, I have found out just how angry Sheffield Homes are about the whole thing.
Apparently the Sheffield Star were going to print some more 'balanced' stories about the area to try and appease the residents and undo some of the damage, however this has not come to fruition.
I will be attending the public meeting and I strongly urge anyone else from the area to come along aswell and get your point heard by the relevant people.

I think the Sheffield Star should take the responsibility for the anxiety and upset they have caused Gleadless valley residents.

It seems to me that this article is no better than the worst of tabloid journalism, but the damage it does to the community is immense.

I am sure the valley does have its problems, but doesn't every community. For people who have bought property in that area, it could have a long term effect on the ability to sell their House, should they want too.

.......... but the damage it does to the community is immense.

.......

Does it really 'damage' the community?

Or, in a perverse way, could it not actually be providing a catalyst of a general response, which brings more people together for a common purpose?

Does it really 'damage' the community?

Or, in a perverse way, could it not actually be providing a catalyst of a general response, which brings more people together for a common purpose?

Hmmmm, maybe not damage it as such, more likely it damages peoples, who don't live in the area, perceptions of what an area is like to live in.

I hope something good does come out of this, because from what I have seen the valley, its very green, the houses are a good standard generally with nice gardens and the air is cleaner than a lot of areas in Sheffield.

It could be a good area for young families, who cannot afford the cost of buying houses in other parts of the city, and who want clean air and green surroundings for their children to grow up in.

It could be an improving area, in years to come, if anti-social behaviour is challenged.

http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/BREAKING-Takeaway-driver-attacked.3830239.jp

This doesn't exactly help. Does it?


BREAKING: Takeaway driver attacked

By Claire Lewis Crime reporter

A HUNT is underway for two men who robbed a Sheffield takeaway driver when he pulled up outside a customer's house.
The 48-year-old was delivering to a house on Morland Road, Gleadless, when the robbers stood in front of his car and began smashing the windows with a metal or wooden bar.

They then forced him to hand over property from his car, although police have not yet revealed whether they took food, cash or both before running off.

The driver was left with cuts to his hands and face after the windows shattered.

Both were white, aged between 20 and 30, slim and were wearing brown/green coats with their hoods up.

Anyone with information about the robbery, which happened at12.10am on Friday February 22, should call DC Juliet Faram at the Moss Way Robbery Unit on 0114 296 3449 or Crimestoppers on 0800 555 111.

No, it certainly doesn't, but crime happens every where, even in Ecclesall and Jersey.

See this link from the Gazette.

It shows both the good and bad in the area.

Perhaps if everone works together it can be 'turned around'!!



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No, it certainly doesn't, but crime happens every where, even in Ecclesall and Jersey.

Yes, we had 2 murders here over last weekend....both on the same road....both on the same night...totally unconnected but both drink related....
I lived on Middle Hay GV and have been saddened to read this thread.

http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/BREAKING-Takeaway-driver-attacked.3830239.jp

This doesn't exactly help. Does it?


BREAKING: Takeaway driver attacked

By Claire Lewis Crime reporter

A HUNT is underway for two men who robbed a Sheffield takeaway driver when he pulled up outside a customer's house.
The 48-year-old was delivering to a house on Morland Road, Gleadless, when the robbers stood in front of his car and began smashing the windows with a metal or wooden bar.

They then forced him to hand over property from his car, although police have not yet revealed whether they took food, cash or both before running off.

The driver was left with cuts to his hands and face after the windows shattered.

Both were white, aged between 20 and 30, slim and were wearing brown/green coats with their hoods up.

Anyone with information about the robbery, which happened at12.10am on Friday February 22, should call DC Juliet Faram at the Moss Way Robbery Unit on 0114 296 3449 or Crimestoppers on 0800 555 111.

And of course it's a 10/10 to The Star, as usual, for its accuracy, :clap: seeing as Morland is actually Herdings, if each had their own.

It's an awful thing to have happened to the delivery driver, no matter what area it happened in. I hope the vile little scroates who did this are caught, and soon!

No, it certainly doesn't, but crime happens every where, even in Ecclesall and Jersey.

According to Bergerac the whole population was murdered during the 80's and 90's:hihi:

Anyone wonder why this has been stirred up just before the local elections in a marginal ward? Do people honestly think that this has been done in the best interests of the people of Gleadless Valley or to make political mischief just before an election.......

No I don't think it's policitical mischief, but then I'm not involved in politics so I don't have politic tinted glasses. Because you have been/are involved in politics you might be perceiving in a manner which accords with your own interaction in the area and possibly your personal preferences regarding those politics.

No I don't think it's policitical mischief, but then I'm not involved in politics so I don't have politic tinted glasses. Because you have been/are involved in politics you might be perceiving in a manner which accords with your own interaction in the area and possibly your personal preferences regarding those politics.

Eh?.........................

i lived on GLEADLESS all my life im 15 and no all about the gangs but its not as bad as what every 1 makes it out to be .
the star and any other paper only talk about the bad things what about the good things about Gleadless

I don't think Gleadless valley is that bad either, especially down the hill around Overend area. I have friends there and its so quiet.

I think if there is a problem its around the Herdings and the shops .. near the Blackstock Pub. Sure it looks poor, but that in itself is not an indicator that all is bad.

As for vandalism we regularly get the phone box smashed at Greystones, plus graffitti and litter on the Ecclesall Rd!

I just moved to near john o gaunt after living out of the city for years, my dad has lived down leighton road for about 15 yrs though.....

first i want to say i grew up at greystones/ecclesall and i agree that was in the early to mid 90's and supposed to be a posh area prior to that we lived at wincobank and my parents moved for the better area.

i remember kids i knew at school from greystones who went to high storrs a lot used to smoke fags from age 12 or so and weed by 14 and by 13/14 we all used to buy cheap cider and drink behind the community centre at greystones, and high storrs had kids sniffing poppers behind the art block and smoking in toilets and there was a murder in endcliffe park around that time that involved school kids and that was almost 20 yrs ago in a supposed 'well to do area'

one of the first nights up here behind gaunt shops though i saw teenagers smashing all the windows of the flats on guant way and the racism up here is terrible its a white supremist area even though the area is more multicultural than it was 10 years ago, i know 10 years ago it was almost 100% white up here and i dont think that some of the people here now like the fact that has changed....

further down the valley however towards newfield green the maisonettes there have had other ethnicities for longer and it is more tolerated.....

my friend from school days lives on overend and every time i have been there it is so quiet.......where i am behind the shops is quiet also, i dont think its so bad here though as they say; someone said to me why the hell would i choose to live here of all places but its okay...

I think it's more the bits between where the Far Lees was and where the Blackstock is on Leighton Road, and the bits by the Horse and Groom going towards the woods which are considered poor.

Its fine near the Horse and Groom - people might not be that well off, but that doesn't make the area bad. It is very green and open down that way, with plenty of space between the houses. I have never seem any terrible litter problem down there, and the Horse and Groom is now being done up and is to become a real ale pub. It can't be that bad an area if someone is prepared to invest in a business. The pub is having a lot of money spent on it.

I would think the older residents of the valley would appreciate a pub with real ale and, presumably, a place with good value for money grub. :thumbsup:

PS: I live at Greystones, and know this area fairly well. I would live there myself - the housing is well constructed, cheap and good value for money for a young family or young people to afford -the air is also quite clean, whch is more than can be said for Broomhill or Ecclesall Road.

I just moved to near john o gaunt after living out of the city for years, my dad has lived down leighton road for about 15 yrs though.....

first i want to say i grew up at greystones/ecclesall and i agree that was in the early to mid 90's and supposed to be a posh area prior to that we lived at wincobank and my parents moved for the better area.

i remember kids i knew at school from greystones who went to high storrs a lot used to smoke fags from age 12 or so and weed by 14 and by 13/14 we all used to buy cheap cider and drink behind the community centre at greystones, and high storrs had kids sniffing poppers behind the art block and smoking in toilets and there was a murder in endcliffe park around that time that involved school kids and that was almost 20 yrs ago in a supposed 'well to do area'

one of the first nights up here behind gaunt shops though i saw teenagers smashing all the windows of the flats on guant way and the racism up here is terrible its a white supremist area even though the area is more multicultural than it was 10 years ago, i know 10 years ago it was almost 100% white up here and i dont think that some of the people here now like the fact that has changed....

further down the valley however towards newfield green the maisonettes there have had other ethnicities for longer and it is more tolerated.....

my friend from school days lives on overend and every time i have been there it is so quiet.......where i am behind the shops is quiet also, i dont think its so bad here though as they say; someone said to me why the hell would i choose to live here of all places but its okay...

I lived in the block of flats opposite the John o Gaunt on Blackstock road in 2003-2004. Sounds like not much has changed!
I literally couldn't go out without worrying about being burgled at the time. I got burgled 12 times in 9 months

I just moved to near john o gaunt after living out of the city for years, my dad has lived down leighton road for about 15 yrs though.....

first i want to say i grew up at greystones/ecclesall and i agree that was in the early to mid 90's and supposed to be a posh area prior to that we lived at wincobank and my parents moved for the better area.

i remember kids i knew at school from greystones who went to high storrs a lot used to smoke fags from age 12 or so and weed by 14 and by 13/14 we all used to buy cheap cider and drink behind the community centre at greystones, and high storrs had kids sniffing poppers behind the art block and smoking in toilets and there was a murder in endcliffe park around that time that involved school kids and that was almost 20 yrs ago in a supposed 'well to do area'

one of the first nights up here behind gaunt shops though i saw teenagers smashing all the windows of the flats on guant way and the racism up here is terrible its a white supremist area even though the area is more multicultural than it was 10 years ago, i know 10 years ago it was almost 100% white up here and i dont think that some of the people here now like the fact that has changed....

further down the valley however towards newfield green the maisonettes there have had other ethnicities for longer and it is more tolerated.....

my friend from school days lives on overend and every time i have been there it is so quiet.......where i am behind the shops is quiet also, i dont think its so bad here though as they say; someone said to me why the hell would i choose to live here of all places but its okay...

I think you are probably spot on here .. in my opinion the only thing wrong with the valley is a lack of investment and opportunity.

Young families, in particular, should be queueing up for houses in this area, as its so green compared to the other council estates in Sheffield. In my opinion the council should be targetting this estate as an family area - and moving out young single people - there's nothing there for them anyway, but it could be a nice estate for young familes and older people..

i live up near the gaunt to be honest it goed through fits and phases last october was shocking bin fires smashing windows the works our main communal door was bust it took kier 4 weeks to repair. its pretty quiet at present.Lets face it if labour get in when we will have no funding in our area denise reaney the councillor has got the garages at the back of the shops looking neat and tidy and as got the area cleaned up this did not happen under labour .

Gleadless Valley use to be a lovely place to live and was the show piece of Sheffield once upon a time, sadly that can't be said now due to all the riff raff the council has moved onto the estate.
From certain points in Gleadless Valley you can look over towards the Derbyshire hills and country, and locally acres of woodland.....this is being spoilt by people dumping rubbish anywhere and everywhere, dropping litter, beer cans and bottles - the latter is teenagers and males in their twenties.
There is an abundance of young teenage females pushing prams.....got pregnant to avoid having to go to work, lads hanging around betting shops and pubs, mending cars, hanging around in groups, playing football..............the sooner the goverment makes them go out to try and find a job the better.....most of them have no intentions of going to find work, they would sooner stay in bed till noon then spend the rest of the day playing with their Xbox or whatever.
Best way to deal with scum and problem families on all the council estates would be to get them all together and put them all in one place - an estate especially made for such people
where they can be monitored.

i lived in gleadless vally for 6 years when i first moved there it was lovley and peaceful then after a while things started to get worse i was burgled 3 times then there was a stabbing out side my masonet of a papper bloke then some kids decided to set a car on fire out side my masonet on new years eve/ day i have had people knocking on my door late at night asking me for drugs which i dont do or ever have done i was heverly pregnant at the time it was scary i had to move cause of the stress.

now i i have to move again and im sorry to say that a will not move back there.
p.s i lived on blackstock road

We don't tolerate outsiders on the valley. you can either handle it or you know where the exit route is...