I'm always listening to people bitching and griping about the Asian people in Sheffield.

I'm a young, white female. I live in an area off London Road where the community is predominantly enthnic minority and largely Asian, and I've never ever had a bad experience with them. In fact, my experiences of Asian people have been very positive.

When my car broke down recently five men from two Asian families who live on my road spent nearly two hours cheerfully trying to fix it for me. The Asian family who run my local shop are always pleasent and go out of their way to be helpful, as do the majority of Asian taxi drivers I meet.

Young Asian men get a lot of bad press, and I will admit I've been 'hassled' (shouted at, whistled at, ect.) in the street by them on a few occasions, but I find them no more threatening than the gangs of young white men who do the same thing. Surely that's an issue to do with age and education, not race?

Does anyone have any thoughts on this? Why do Sheffield Asians have a bad reputation when in my experience they seem like very nice people?

I grew up around London Road and I too had no problems from the asian community. The house I lived in was burgled twice, both times by white people.

Of course, from time to time you will encounter difficulties with the locals, be they white, black, asian or whatever, but this happens everywhere.

Have a look through this thread for the some of backwards views on ethnic minorities. http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29976

I live in the same area and have done for most of the last 35 years. There is some trouble once in a while but it is usually always people from outside the area that cause it.

Originally posted by JBee
Does anyone have any thoughts on this? Why do Sheffield Asians have a bad reputation when in my experience they seem like very nice people?


Because their are people on this forum who want to generalise about Asians and Muslims in particular.

I don't know whether its political, or the people are ignorant or just intolerant or maybe, just maybe (whisper it now......) they are racist.

There are good and bad in all people. You have had a good experience, and someone, somewhere will have had a bad experience.

Originally posted by sham71
There are good and bad in all people. You have had a good experience, and someone, somewhere will have had a bad experience. [/B]

That's a good point.

But even if you have a bad experience with someone you can't blame their skin colour. I think I can safely say that I've had bad experiences with people of all races, including many bad experiences with my own.

I agree that people need to become a lot more tolerant, and learn to take isolated incidents as an encounter with a bad person, not a bad race.

JBee

We lived on the edge of Fir Vale for 25 years and witnessed it's transition from a mainly white area to now mostly Asian. We never experienced any kind of trouble, except perhaps from fireworks with which they seem obsessed. ;) My wife was helped by them on several occasions with her car, - flat tyres and flat battery etc. Their children were far better behaved than the local gang of white kids who took great delight in harrassing old people.

I suspect a lot of the bias we see and hear is from people with no experience of living amongst the Asian communities or those who are naturally racist in their outlook.

Originally posted by Greybeard
JBee
I suspect a lot of the bias we see and hear is from people with no experience of living amongst the Asian communities or those who are naturally racist in their outlook.

And you can guarantee that as soon as any crime is committed by an asian, these people will blame all crime on them and moan about how things were better in the good old days.

Am starting to get very encouraged by this post. I expected to attract a load of racist fools, but instead there are lots of nice positive comments.

Originally posted by JBee
Am starting to get very encouraged by this post. I expected to attract a load of racist fools, but instead there are lots of nice positive comments.

Don't speak too soon. I think the racist fools are on lunch!

Originally posted by JBee
I expected to attract a load of racist fools, but instead there are lots of nice positive comments.

Sorry to burst your bubble love, but i have to agree with Sham71, just wait awhile longer. Me being a pessimist and all that, i suspect the racist fools will surely have to make some comment.

They can't help it, it's their nature, it's in the blood....i pity them :shakes:

will they prove me wrong??????:?

Originally posted by sham71
Don't speak too soon. I think the racist fools are on lunch!

yeah, let's hope it's a long one. Hope they don't choke on their sandwiches. I've not practiced the Heimlich Manoeuver much lately....:D

Its a grouping thing. One bad experience and everyone is tarred with the same brush.

Went out Saturday with a big group, some in their 50's. One lad had a Henry Lloyd checked shirt on (all you could see were the initials - HL) and the bouncers at the Cavendish wouldn't let him in as that brand is associated with trouble makers!!!! So everyone who wears Henry Lloyd is now a trouble maker. That "law" has been passed down by the bigwigs at the brewery.

It is associated with hooligans along with burberry stone island ect.

Originally posted by carcrash
It is associated with hooligans along with burberry stone island ect.

Thats my whole point, my mate was lumped in the same group as hooligans which he isnt. Heck he doesnt even swear!!!!

well you know when you have one kind of bad experience with one person, if they are different colour or whatever, then we tend to produce a general opinion. i had two asian muslim landlords which were horrible to me 8coming in the house at naytine of day and night, knocking on bedroom doors, not fixing anything, especially heating in winter and trying to rip me off when i left as well), had two non asian who were nice and very respectfull of privacy and everything else. well, I am muslim, but my experience put me off of any asian landlords.
i think it is just a human feeling, not necessarily a racist one. We tend to associate people with bad memories and that put us off other people, when it shouldn't.

Originally posted by bookie
well you know when you have one kind of bad experience with one person, if they are different colour or whatever, then we tend to produce a general opinion. i had two asian muslim landlords which were horrible to me 8coming in the house at naytine of day and night, knocking on bedroom doors, not fixing anything, especially heating in winter and trying to rip me off when i left as well), had two non asian who were nice and very respectfull of privacy and everything else. well, I am muslim, but my experience put me off of any asian landlords.
i think it is just a human feeling, not necessarily a racist one. We tend to associate people with bad memories and that put us off other people, when it shouldn't.

Presumably you have to be pretty slow of thought in order to assume that by seeing one or two examples you somehow know the behaviour of an entire group...

Based on that I believe I would dislike all white people, all men, all women, all dogs, all cats, etc... as at least one individual of each type has offended me or caused me harm at some point.

cyclone!
dont think iam slow! you are probably a bit of a narrow thinker
you know if you have tried soem kind of food once , it just happened to be off or something, and years after you still havent tried it again... well its the same. iam not saying at all that you would end up "hating" the same people, just you will have some kind of "association" feeling...
with time things change usually, thats it!"

i might make such an assumption with food, but only because i know that the same dish or type of food 'should' taste the same everytime I eat it. With people, i know that generalising on any broad level will mean i'm wrong and leave me looking stupid.

Were you're first too landlords male, why didn't you form the opinion that male landlords were the bad ones?

You've picked up on one difference between yourself and the landlords and made an association on that, there were many other differences i've no doubt that you could have chosen, but you just happened to go for the racial difference. That sounds like a kind of latent xenophobia to me.

Going back to the food, if someone else told me that actually it should taste nice, i'd probably give it a least a 2nd try at another time.

well ,
i picked up the NO DIFFERENCE if you read poroperlyà

Originally posted by bookie
well, I am muslim, but my experience put me off of any asian landlords.

i was trying not to make assumptions about your ethnicity based on your religion, you do realise that being a Muslim doesn't mean you had to be Asian.

I used to live in the Netheredge area and would never go back as I always found the Asian majority unheplful and unfriendly.
Like people have been saying here I also get that from time to time with white people, but never as often.

I guess the one big thing that stands out for me is driving around the area. I always thank drivers for letting me go first on a narrow stretch of road, however whenever I encounted an Asian driver they never said 'thank you'. And when I say never, I mean NEVER!
White people generally and more often than not do say thank you.

Aside fom all this, I always try to treat the person in front of me the same. Regardless of colour, age, religion etc. I don't believe I'm racist and I certainly don't support anything like the BNP.

There is not an Asian majority in Nether Edge.

However, I agree with the driving thing. Although, I have experienced the same in many countries in the world. Not every one has the same driving etiquette.

I think the drivers in Dore are worse because they think they own the road.

Originally posted by sham71
Don't speak too soon. I think the racist fools are on lunch!

It seems you can get classed as a racist if you don't like,Muslems, Asians, people of colour, but you're NOT a racist if you dislike white people, like French, Canadians, Americans, that seems ok, do you think it's Brits who just think that way or all nationalities ?

Cyclone - I have to say I'm a little dismayed by post where you implied someone was slow. Give the guy some credit, he's being honest and offered his opinion. He didnt have to but he did and you abuse him.

Not fair old chap, not fair.

Dont tell me your prejudiced as well.................. I thought you were squeaky clean ;)

I wouldn't class Americans as white - there are so many different racial groups that make up the American population.

Who says that anti-white feelings are not racist? The definition of racist is not only for 'people of colour'.

I think that if the person/group being targeted are in a minority, that is more dangerous than if they are in a majority.

Therefore, the racism against white farmers in Zimbabwe is bad and most people condemn it.

I've had a lot of bad experiences with asian people taxi drivers random gangs in the street etc both in sheffield and rotherham
.
But I also had an exceptionally good experiences with an asian guy i used to work with called waz he was quite easily one of the nicest people I ever met he used to do anything for anyone. We used to have a good laugh about the prejiduces some people have and religion etc

I'll never forget how grateful he was when he was fasting and when he was allowed to eat I gave him the biggest bag of skittles (his fave sweet) I could find

The hospitals have a number of asian doctors who are doing a good job for the community. A number of corner shops and jobs which are not very popular are being done by asian people. I am sure they are contributing to the society as much as anybody else.

Originally posted by coopster1974
Its a grouping thing. One bad experience and everyone is tarred with the same brush.

Went out Saturday with a big group, some in their 50's. One lad had a Henry Lloyd checked shirt on (all you could see were the initials - HL) and the bouncers at the Cavendish wouldn't let him in as that brand is associated with trouble makers!!!! So everyone who wears Henry Lloyd is now a trouble maker. That "law" has been passed down by the bigwigs at the brewery.

until 10 years ago Henri LLoyd were a serious performance clothing maker

then the sailing / equestrian types started wearing some of their nicer coats as general wear, then suddenly it's all the chavs and townies in henri lloyd wooly pully s

Looks like some are back off their lunch.

The fairly constant racist twoddle is one of the reasons I very rarely visit this site. I'm a member of various internet forums and this one just takes the biscuit for ill informed comment and a complete lack of moderation whenever this subject crops up. And don't give me that 'It's a free country... I don't consider myself racist but... ' rubbish. FFS there's a guy a few posts up who wouldn't live in Nether Edge again because the Asian drivers don't give him a cheery wave. 'White people generally and more often than not do say thank you.' Jeez. Get a life and drive further than the largest village in the country.

We cant use the label Asian as it covers many diverse cultures from a large continent. There are people with Indian, Pakistani and Bangladeshi descendants to name only three living all over Sheff. Would we like to be known as Europeans after our continent instead of Englsih or Irish? My only experience of this sort of thing is Tinsley which has become a bit of a no go area I understand. Many of the people living here are from one area of Pakistan, each subsequent generation rejects the discipline and respect once instilled in a strong Muslim culture. We havent had any race riots in Sheff as all cultures are happy to integrate. Good thread btw.

Speaking purely from a customer services point of view, I find:

Of the white population - the odd few are problematic customers
Of the asian population - a larger proportion are problematic customers

More asian customers seem to exude arrogance than white customers (within their own respective communities).

I personally have had more trouble from white people (outside work) than asians, so i'm not inclined to favour either community.

Groups get a bad name for a reason though, even if it is only a minority spoiling things for the rest, which it usually is.

Originally posted by damo
I've had a lot of bad experiences with asian people taxi drivers random gangs in the street etc both in sheffield and rotherham
.
But I also had an exceptionally good experiences with an asian guy i used to work with called waz he was quite easily one of the nicest people I ever met he used to do anything for anyone. We used to have a good laugh about the prejiduces some people have and religion etc

I'll never forget how grateful he was when he was fasting and when he was allowed to eat I gave him the biggest bag of skittles (his fave sweet) I could find


Story of my life,” You are alright, you are different, it’s them others we don't like." How shallow?---- very shallow.

I picked up a lady in her forties in my taxi (just after I finished a class at the local mosque where they teach us how to annoy all the white people and how to be rude as possible, and never to give way) and as on some odd occasions you do, I began talking to her about how her night had been. She leaned forward looked at me closely and remarked,” you speak betta English than wa' I do." I explained to her that maybe it was because I have spent all my life speaking it. I went on to tell her that my Grandfather was in the R Navy and after the war, settled here etc. She said,” My grandfather was Polish and he settled here after the war." She still found it amazing that this Paki looking taxi driver was speaking English as good as "Wa' she duz" :loopy: --- And the strange thing is that she is as foreign as I am but would she suffer the same taunts, I somehow don't think so, in fact she would be responsible for some of the name calling.
Yes there is racism but ignorance is much more hurtful!!!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe the issue is that Asian youths tend to hang around in firly large groups more than white youths. The larger the group the higher scope for problems.

From a customer service pov I agree that You get a lot more arrogant young Asians than white or blacks. However, I would say that you get a lot nicer older Asians than whites.

From a fraud pov Asians were relatively more likely to commit it than whites (for motor insurance)

Again, this could be down to larger communities and families (which these things tend to happen in)

I personally have no problem with any Asian people I know.

From a customer service pov I agree that You get a lot more arrogant young Asians than white or blacks. However, I would say that you get a lot nicer older Asians than whites.



I find the young asians seem to find the need to be 'pushy' - never works but I agree that elder asians are very polite unlike their 'white counterparts' who tend to be argumentative and generally a pain in the arse to deal with.

At the place I work, we get quite a large throughput of staff - the recent intakes have been mainly young asians and my god some of them have some real attitudes and last about 5 minutes in a structured environment...I think they need to chill a bit...

Maybe we should intern them till they get older / more mature?

- ps not a serious suggestion :)

Originally posted by coopster1974
Cyclone - I have to say I'm a little dismayed by post where you implied someone was slow. Give the guy some credit, he's being honest and offered his opinion. He didnt have to but he did and you abuse him.

Not fair old chap, not fair.

Dont tell me your prejudiced as well.................. I thought you were squeaky clean ;)

sorry, i think I might be racistist. I have a blanket dislike of anyone that's racist.

Poppins - Asian, Oriental, Caucasian, etc... = RACE
English, French, Canadian, American = NATIONALITY

Not that it justifies it, but it's why it's not called racism.

Originally posted by Cyclone
sorry, i think I might be racistist. I have a blanket dislike of anyone that's racist.

Poppins - Asian, Oriental, Caucasian, etc... = RACE
English, French, Canadian, American = NATIONALITY

Not that it justifies it, but it's why it's not called racism.

And then there are those on this very forum who will tell you that Islam is also a race and that to criticise it in any way is to be racist.

It's not straightforward, is it?

I have to agree with Briano about the rudeness of some Asians in Netheredge. However I think this is more about a few select families that live in the surrounding streets where my old house was. Walking up my street I was regularly called a white *****, or had some other offensive comment made to me. I was also spat at on a few occasions. This was all by groups of children and I was completely at a loss what to do because they were too young for me to know how to handle it. I was also trailed down the road by a group of Asian lads in a car on several occasions, being followed by them until I made it into my house. I found the area pretty intimdating and Im not that easily intimidated. However I honestly believe that this was due to there being a few problem families in the area that stood out and not the general population.

Living in Tinsley at the moment is great as there are lots of different Nationalities in the town.

My neighbours are Asian and I get on fine with them.
There are always a few idiots that spoil things for the rest of us, its just that these youths stick out because of their appearance, and easy to classify.

I find the girls look absolutely gorgeous but I'm aware of the cultural differences and so its best not to go there.

The young lads from 10 to 21 seem to be the main culprits but seem to disappear after that when they get married off. I suppose they're just getting the boyish streak out of their systems.

Not too kean on being called a "White B****rd" every time I walk through the park, but hopefully they'll grow out of it.
Sad really, most of them never leave the town.

Originally posted by Hadron
Not too kean on being called a "White B****rd" every time I walk through the park, but hopefully they'll grow out of it.
Sad really, most of them never leave the town.

Racism is wrong - we all agree that don't we?

Then it should be treated in the same manner regardless of where it comes from - nobody of any colour should have to put up with aggession and abuse from complete strangers. Doubt an asian person would say "Not too keen on being called a ****" Think they would quite rightly be furious! You should be too!

It may be because all some pople have had is bad experiences with them eg. ME!
Since being young you always seem to get trouble. A recent example is on the Wicker. I went one sunday morning (2am) with my girlfriend and another couple for a curry. My mate had a fag out side and We had a couple of them walking past wanting to start. We know they wanted trouble. We finished our curry and got in to a taxi streight away. if we didn't get the taxi staight away we would have had trouble and not been able to do anything about it as there were loads of them.

Another example a friend of mine went to curry house on there. Driving home he was being beeped at and a car right up his ass. He tried to ignore it but wouldn't stop. He eventually got out and an asian came out and stabbed him in the leg. he can't think of a reason why.

I know there are a lot of good asian people out there but all mine are bad. Now i tend to judge them. Its the few that get them the bad name i guess.

oh yes - I have also had a car drive past me on thr street with a load of them in shouting White ******* at me!

Originally posted by Cyclone
sorry, i think I might be racistist. I have a blanket dislike of anyone that's racist.

Poppins - Asian, Oriental, Caucasian, etc... = RACE
English, French, Canadian, American = NATIONALITY

Not that it justifies it, but it's why it's not called racism.

Cyclone, so you and I seem to be the only racistist on the forum, how about that ? interesting don't you think ?

Originally posted by poppins
Cyclone, so you and I seem to be the only racistist on the forum, how about that ? interesting don't you think ?

I think you misread my post. I'm a racistist, ie, I have an unreasoning prejudice against people who are racist.

Originally posted by poppins
Cyclone, so you and I seem to be the only racistist on the forum, how about that ? interesting don't you think ?

I admitted to being a racist here....

http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=30890&perpage=15&pagenumber=5

I have to agree with the thing about everyone being a bit racist. I must admit that (although ashamed to say it) I am racist myself...

I just don't like white people. I know its irrational, and I'm sure some of them are very nice... It's just that they always seem to be up to no good.

The girl that was murdered two doors down from me was killed by a white man... A girl was raped near here by a white man. The two men who tried to break into my house on separate occasions were both white. The football hooligan who hot me from behind for no reason was white. The men who stole my car were white. The drunken man who drove into the car my mother was traveling in was white.

I just can't help but see a trend here... I just can't see the good in white people... two world wars were started by white men, the crusaides and look what white people did in South Africa... Jack the Ripper was white, as was the Yorkshire Ripper. Harold Shipman was white, and Charles Manson... basically all serial killers in fact.

Hmmm, yeah, I just can't help being a little racist.

... So you're not alone Poppins (if that's what you meant)!

Originally posted by D_A_V
Story of my life,” You are alright, you are different, it’s them others we don't like." How shallow?---- very shallow.

I picked up a lady in her forties in my taxi (just after I finished a class at the local mosque where they teach us how to annoy all the white people and how to be rude as possible, and never to give way) and as on some odd occasions you do, I began talking to her about how her night had been. She leaned forward looked at me closely and remarked,” you speak betta English than wa' I do." I explained to her that maybe it was because I have spent all my life speaking it. I went on to tell her that my Grandfather was in the R Navy and after the war, settled here etc. She said,” My grandfather was Polish and he settled here after the war." She still found it amazing that this Paki looking taxi driver was speaking English as good as "Wa' she duz" :loopy: --- And the strange thing is that she is as foreign as I am but would she suffer the same taunts, I somehow don't think so, in fact she would be responsible for some of the name calling.

Yes there is racism but ignorance is much more hurtful!!!!!!!!!!!!


Basicly people are afraid of things they dont understand and are beyond their control.

This forum is a fine example (with the exception of some) they see a topic and away they go.
They hide behind the fact that people dont know who they are and become very brave and patriotic.

Then there are the younger ones that post,Its not actualy their own words but what they hear from their parents,so they express their parents views by proxy without even knowing.

Peoples race,religion,class and the like always get a good response thats why people contribute to the threads.

Bear in mind you are dealing with people that need to ask advice on where to drink,buy petrol ect....

Not necessarily a sheffield issue but now that Labour councillor Mohammed Hussain of Blackburn has admitted to rigging an election, and now that the Police have revealed that Blackburn postmen receive Police escorts whilst on their rounds in the Asian community, an Asian tory councillor who remains anonymous for fear of reprisals has stated that the recent findings are just the"tip of the iceberg" and "Postal voting must be banned in Asian communities because it enabled community or family leaders to control large numbers of votes". He also claimed that "many families were handing votes over of people who were living in Pakistan or India". I quote him from my local rag the "Lancashire Evening Telegraph" : "Vote rigging is a real concern in the Asian community where one man will decide his wife and childrens vote. That could be all eight members of the family. Also they will put two crosses in the box and hand over the votes so others can decide who gets the third.
"I went to see a solicitor to stop the election but he said it would cost me as much as £100.000.
"I could not afford that.

The stories about the election rigging, escorted postmen and the Asian tory councillor can all be found: www.thisislancashire.co.uk/

Originally posted by tango2
Bear in mind you are dealing with people that need to ask advice on where to drink,buy petrol ect....


Thanks tango2, Point taken.

I would say that an Asian issue is this:

50% of all Asinas I've worked with (100+) seem to think that the workplace is an extention of their phone. If not having a mobile strapped to their ear they will be talking to friends on then phone at work.

why? Please someone tell me.

children get to vote now?

Originally posted by simeon
Not necessarily a sheffield issue but now that Labour councillor Mohammed Hussain of Blackburn has admitted to rigging an election, and now that the Police have revealed that Blackburn postmen receive Police escorts whilst on their rounds in the Asian community, an Asian tory councillor who remains anonymous for fear of reprisals has stated that the recent findings are just the"tip of the iceberg" and "Postal voting must be banned in Asian communities because it enabled community or family leaders to control large numbers of votes". He also claimed that "many families were handing votes over of people who were living in Pakistan or India". I quote him from my local rag the "Lancashire Evening Telegraph" : "Vote rigging is a real concern in the Asian community where one man will decide his wife and childrens vote. That could be all eight members of the family. Also they will put two crosses in the box and hand over the votes so others can decide who gets the third.
"I went to see a solicitor to stop the election but he said it would cost me as much as £100.000.
"I could not afford that.

The stories about the election rigging, escorted postmen and the Asian tory councillor can all be found: www.thisislancashire.co.uk/

When we have a bad experience we tend to remember the distinctive thing about them which then relates to our bad experience.

For example: I was once bady bullied by a welsh bloke, hence whenever I hear a welsh accent it immediately reminds me of this bloke and i feel bad. That's not to say any welsh people I have met are bad - just that they remind me of a bad experience and so I try to avoid them (it).

Maybe the same goes for some people with Asian people? I don't know, I've never had a bad experience with any Asian people personally so I don't have a problem and find most people in Sheffield really lovely and friendly, whatever their skin colour.

I don't think Sheffield is any different to any city in the UK.

Originally posted by Cyclone
I think you misread my post. I'm a racistist, ie, I have an unreasoning prejudice against people who are racist.

Wrong, I did "get it" just wanted to hear you explain yourself again !

The asian kebad shop opposite the broadie in netheredge had a notice up calling local asian youths into some campaign against the police saying they'rd been harrassing local asian youths ,which i thought was irresponsible. On the otherhand I remember them all gathered round thw tV set there in shock when diana died. So two examples in one shop of multi-culturalism, one positive one negative.

Originally posted by Briano
I used to live in the Netheredge area and would never go back as I always found the Asian majority unheplful and unfriendly.
Like people have been saying here I also get that from time to time with white people, but never as often.

I guess the one big thing that stands out for me is driving around the area. I always thank drivers for letting me go first on a narrow stretch of road, however whenever I encounted an Asian driver they never said 'thank you'. And when I say never, I mean NEVER!
White people generally and more often than not do say thank you.

Aside fom all this, I always try to treat the person in front of me the same. Regardless of colour, age, religion etc. I don't believe I'm racist and I certainly don't support anything like the BNP.

I got the middle finger treatment from an elderly chap after I gave the old git way whilst he was coming up hill in his Fiat (cars parked on his side). WTF was all that about? I wouldnt now say that all white male drivers who seemingly look over 65 are crap drivers and rude - i would just put it down to being a bad, ignorant driver. In future however it doesnt mean I will be less likely to give way to anybody else, as I know not all drivers are the same. But then i drive a BMW and of course everybody knows we are all w*****s.....:rolleyes:

Where I work there is a bit of a reluctance to work for asian people. We do it but some times are wary about it.

Now before you go shouting racist at me here me out.

First of all we sometimes have trouble with them when they want to haggle over price's and screw us down for a good price. One or two people I have met in the past say "oh thats paki's for you" (why do they call every one a Paki?).

They seem to think this is them trying to screw us and its a bad thing and maybe this is why the asian comunity gets such a bad press.

If people were to stop and think about it, they might work out that, that is the way most of the asian comunity does buisness and simply because we just pay what we are told to pay we think haggeling is wrong.

The funny thing is, theres a bloke I know how will screw his employees for every penny and think this is good buisness practice the criticise as aisan for wanting £10 knocked off his bill.
Double standards me thinks.

Then theres my particular gripe. Dirty house's.

On the whole, it has to be said of all the asian house's I go into quite a lot, though not all are filthy. There are times I have refused to go in to some of them because of the muck.
Some of the fitter.
I know say "All those paki (theres that word agian!)house's are the same .....stinking"

But what they fail to mention is there are plenty of house's owned by white people that are filty too.

As for attiude..there are some that upset me with there anti weston bias and there promotion of terror. But then we have the BNP to balance them out. (Just wanted to put that bit in as royjames and his rants offend me)

It took me years to work it out and without wanting to sound like a bleeding heart liberal dogooder type ..... We are all the same....cut us and we bleed.

I think a lot of the trouble is the 'Dislike of the Unlike'.

It has always been part of the human makeup in any country of the world.

I think the only remedy is education, respect and tolerance between different cultures and races.

I have lived and grown up in Fir Vale, I've seen all the changes over the past 20/25 years and I've heard all the stories and rumours about Asians and whites.

From my personal experience - the Asian people are the friendliest, nicest, most-helpful people anyone could ever wish to meet. All these stories I read on this thread about how people don't wave thank you in the car and teenagers with mobile phones makes me want to laugh! if the people making these statements stepped a little further out of Sheffield they would see this happens everywhere with alot more drivers, with almost every teenager!!

Since living in Fir Vale the Asian people I know and am happy to live side by side with have helped me in countless ways and shown kindness which is beyond thought.

From taking me to the hospital and looking after my house, letting me borrow their cars, bringing gorgeous food i.e. Curries, rice, kebabs, chicken etc to my house for no other reason than I'm their neighbour!?
They have children who show alot of respect for their elders - far more than you see the white chavs that live in the area do.

Asian people are given a rough ride on this forum, mainly by those who have never lived in a mixed community for a long time and witnessed that there are actually good people in these areas too.

Living in Fir Vale, I feel like part of a big family. I know alot of people here, I chat quite happily every day to both whites and asians in the area and it is a very secure feeling.

I dont think I could live in a place like Dore or Ecclesall and be ignored by passers-by, people who keep to themselves and only talk to the world through the internet - mainly having a go at other area's they've never lived in.

I'd forgotten Simeon was a BNP spokesperson. Explains most of the biased propganda he has been spreading. :loopy: Just to put things in perspective. It's a shame so few other ethinc groups post on this site, I'd like to hear a broader viewpoint.

Originally posted by Lestat
All these stories I read on this thread about how people don't wave thank you in the car and teenagers with mobile phones makes me want to laugh! if the people making these statements stepped a little further out of Sheffield they would see this happens everywhere with alot more drivers, with almost every teenager!!

Lestat, quite what you mean by this statement I'm not sure. As stated previously I found in general terms that the Asian community where less helpful and certainly less friendly i.e when thanking someone for giving way when driving.

You think I should 'step a little further out of Sheffield'! I have lived in many places up and down the country, including the north east, down south near London and finally ending up living in several different areas in Sheffield. I have also lived abroad due to having family living in other countries.
So exactly how much further do you think I need to travel to get a broader experience!? :loopy:

I have also met many Asian/Indian people who have been very polite and helpful and friendly. Unfortunately they have been the minority in my case.

And that is exactly the point, I am simply putting across my experiences as are you. I don't see anything to 'laugh at'! :suspect:

The really good thing about this forum is the freedom of expression which leads to a large collective of ideas and opinions on which we can base our thoughts. :rant:

Rant over... :thumbsup:

Thanks Hels,
put the same thing and cyclone replied that I must be a slow person.....

Originally posted by robbie
I would say that an Asian issue is this:

50% of all Asinas I've worked with (100+) seem to think that the workplace is an extention of their phone. If not having a mobile strapped to their ear they will be talking to friends on then phone at work.

why? Please someone tell me.

robbie
Do you pscho-analyse everyone or just the Asians?
I doubt if the love of mobile phones is limited to just a particular group of people. I think that's enough before you catch on to what I also think.

I don't have a problem with them or any other race - there are arseholes everywhere, it's got sod all to do with colour :hihi:

Amusingly though as someone already pointed out - if I go on a quote for an asian customer I know I'm in for a good haggle :)

Originally posted by D_A_V
robbie
Do you pscho-analyse everyone or just the Asians?
I doubt if the love of mobile phones is limited to just a particular group of people. I think that's enough before you catch on to what I also think.

I see your point. Just from my experience in work. Asians are a minority in the office but the people who abuse phones the most tend to be Asians.

don't get me wrong, they work as hard as anyone else when not on the phones but most non-Asians will walk outside the office if they have an important call to make. The Asian members of staff will sit at their desks and carry on a conversation.

I would never have a conversation on my mobile in the office unless it was urgent.

I'm Asian and I have to agree that most Asians my age and younger are the most racist. I have never been racially abused but have witnessed people I know being very racist towards white Sheffielders.

Asian covers a lot of countries and i find some Asians on the hole a lot better than the English and seem to adapt a lot better to the English way of life. but on the other hand some Asians don't want to mix, they don't like other Asians and anybody that doesn't agree with there philosophy is wrong,and they wont be satisfied till they produce enough offspring to rule the world. of course i am speaking in generalities

This is an interesting thread, I would have thought that no one would have dared ask this question fearing the answers that may come back, but i am pleasantly suprised by the lack of racism. I think that a lot of people could be fooled into thinking that asians and other ethnicities are to blame for gangs and crime due to the large amounts of groups of youths that are seen everyday, but if thought about there are equally as many groups of youths that are white. I have been mugged and punched in the face by a black lad and my friend has been sexually harassed by a group of asians near to where she lived in nether edge but i am open to the fact that it is not only asians and black people who do these things. Im not racist but i do have a problem with anyone, black, white, asian or any other race that either harasses me by shouting things at me or spitting on the floor infront of me or making me feel intimidated by the fact that they are stood in a gang, and sorry to stereotype, but usually wearing hooded clothes and often tracksuits. No one should feel intimidated by anyone. I do sometimes find that some races already have a preconception that if you are white you are racist against them and immediately have a bad attitude towards you. I do also have to agree that almost all of asian drivers i let through or give way to will just ignore me, no thankyou or anything, but having said that they are not alone, an increasing amount of drivers just do not say thankyou which is blatantly rude and really annoys me.
I tend to think that the rule that the minority spoils it for the majority applies to this thread.

I cant speak for anyone else but from my own perspective it would appear that hatred/racism could stem personal experiences.

My eldest lad was mugged by 6 black kids last year. 2 years ago he was stabbed by one.

A member of my family had a recent incident with an Asian taxi driver.

So - I now have a hatred for black kids and asian taxi drivers. Actually hatred is too strong a word. More a wariness.

Does that make me racist? So far I haven't had any issues with black adults or young asians and am indifferent to them.

I think the racist card is dealt all too easily.

By the way - I have had issues with white teenage hoodies and can definately say I hate them!

I'm Asian and I have to agree that most Asians my age and younger are the most racist. I have never been racially abused but have witnessed people I know being very racist towards white Sheffielders.

That's probably because they know they have more latitude to get away with it than white people, which is just down to current trends.

That's probably because they know they have more latitude to get away with it than white people, which is just down to current trends.

Not latitude, it's a generational thing, young people backlash against anything/anyone that disagrees with them these days. Be they white/black/oriental/gay/straight/emo/ from a postcode (the list goes on). Tribes are becoming more prevelant with a lean from some to take the offensive at anyone who disagrees with their behaviour. Take any of these individuals on a one to one civilised discussion they have some valid points and some un educated assumptions based on press and music videos. Its a tribal attituded across the board and a need to belong to a 'group'.

Something that seems to be ever increasing i have noticed is youths thinking that they can spout abuse at you and say what they think no matter how derogotry out loud for you and anyone else to hear. Mainly i find that these comments are directed at my dog when i take her for a walk, she is a chihuahua, and i get that shes not everyones cup of tea but im sick of people saying out loud eww or that should be destroyed. I know some of you may also think its only a dog but shes my pride and joy, whatever i thought about something i would keep it to myself, but obviously gone are those days and i think people need to learn to respect others.

Fear?! Ignorance and probably bad experience, like my own, though I would not tar everyone with the same brush. Question: Is it seen to be too familiar for an asian lady to smile? Only I am a lady and smiled at an asian lady today, she didn't smile back?!

some women not brought up westernised wouldn't smile, but please keep smiling and hello works wonders :)

I'm Asian and I have to agree that most Asians my age and younger are the most racist. I have never been racially abused but have witnessed people I know being very racist towards white Sheffielders.
Thats very refreshingly honest to hear. Lets hope we can all work to a United Sheffield, regardless of religion, politics and skin colour etc. It would be nice if people could say, hey so we have a difference of opinion! and move on.

Not latitude, it's a generational thing, young people backlash against anything/anyone that disagrees with them these days. Be they white/black/oriental/gay/straight/emo/ from a postcode (the list goes on). Tribes are becoming more prevelant with a lean from some to take the offensive at anyone who disagrees with their behaviour. Take any of these individuals on a one to one civilised discussion they have some valid points and some un educated assumptions based on press and music videos. Its a tribal attituded across the board and a need to belong to a 'group'.

This is true, but I still maintain that asian people are more able to get away with racist behaviour towards whites than vice versa. Don't worry, i'm not a Littlejohn-esque xenophobe, it's just how the world is right now. It isn't the fault of asian people, just the way current trends in the media and authorities go.

I cant speak for anyone else but from my own perspective it would appear that hatred/racism could stem personal experiences.

My eldest lad was mugged by 6 black kids last year. 2 years ago he was stabbed by one.

A member of my family had a recent incident with an Asian taxi driver.

So - I now have a hatred for black kids and asian taxi drivers. Actually hatred is too strong a word. More a wariness.

Does that make me racist? So far I haven't had any issues with black adults or young asians and am indifferent to them.

I think the racist card is dealt all too easily.

By the way - I have had issues with white teenage hoodies and can definately say I hate them!

They are not all the same, though I appreciate I would be more warey of them too. As for hoodies, what is it about hoodies and baseball caps that make me so uncomfortable! It'll be balaclaves next!

tbh. I have only once witness racist behaviour. I was sick of a club and decided foolishly to start walking home with a view to pulling up a cab. Halfway through the red light district a neighbour gave me a rollocking for shortcutting through a rough neighbourhood and insisted I got a cab before he left me.

I flagged 2 black cabs, they saw my neighbour and drove off... I am white he was black... the driver said we were setting him up.. :o

The driver was Indian and from experience had decided not to stop for anyone with a black person. Shameful. I finally got a cab with my neighbour insisting and he would walk home..

This made me really sad, a guy rescued me as he thought I might be in danger and his reward was fear and hatred.

Thats so nice to hear that he helped you, and i dont mean that because hes black btw, i mean that very few people seem to want to help others out nowadays.

Racism is still alive and well. Some of the abuse being handed out to an old couple at Tinsley Golf Course yesterday by a group of young Asian guys frankly made my blood boil. Was not far off trying to aim for the lot of them with my driver...

I generally think that many young "English asians" have a bit of a chip on their shoulder and an attitude/respect problem. Mind you, the word Asians is pretty broad. I am not referring to people with a background from East asia btw as they seem to be fine. The ones that come over to Sheffield to study are on the whole, polite and respectful especially the students from malaysia and China.

So - I now have a hatred for black kids and asian taxi drivers. Actually hatred is too strong a word. More a wariness.

Does that make me racist?

Yes........

Yes........

Having had the persons family beaten up and stabbed by "black kids" surely allows the poster to be wary of a group of "black kids" approaching without being brandished a racist?!

Reading some of the posts here make you feel nostalgic at the demise of the web site whitesonly.net, an openly white supremist nazi site ran by a Jew who reported users to the FBI. Note to the ignorant, Muslims can be white such as those resident in Chechnya, a disputed part of Russia. There are also indigenous Muslims in Africa, along with Turkey, a country that spans two continents both Europe and Asia. Up until the 15th century there were even in Spain. You can't call a person by their colour.

I'm always listening to people bitching and griping about the Asian people in Sheffield.

I'm a young, white female. I live in an area off London Road where the community is predominantly enthnic minority and largely Asian, and I've never ever had a bad experience with them. In fact, my experiences of Asian people have been very positive.

When my car broke down recently five men from two Asian families who live on my road spent nearly two hours cheerfully trying to fix it for me. The Asian family who run my local shop are always pleasent and go out of their way to be helpful, as do the majority of Asian taxi drivers I meet.

Young Asian men get a lot of bad press, and I will admit I've been 'hassled' (shouted at, whistled at, ect.) in the street by them on a few occasions, but I find them no more threatening than the gangs of young white men who do the same thing. Surely that's an issue to do with age and education, not race?

Does anyone have any thoughts on this? Why do Sheffield Asians have a bad reputation when in my experience they seem like very nice people?

I suppose it's like the way a certain group of society say all teenagers are yobs, or all old people are grumpy, students are dirty etc etc etc. If you belong to a group of people then you will get sweeping generalisations about you.
That's life i'm afraid.

Before I start I should say that I have travelled extensively through central asia and had nothing but positive experiences with muslims, offering help, food drinks etc all very nice.

However, here in the UK I have had universally bad experiences with asians, blacks and muslims in general.
1. In a club many years ago, big black fella comes from nowhere and fractures my cheek with a nifty roundhouse - cheers fella!
2. Selling my car, asian lad calls from Brum, says he will pay full price sight unseen after I told him a local guy had offered full price. He turns up with 4 buddies in a Subaru and offers me a much lower price, I said no thanks and walked away. All 4 of them smash the car to pieces in front of me, boulder through windscreen, every panel kicked and scratched - result £4k of damage.
Funny thing was a plain clothed policeman was with me at the time and saw the whole thing!!! For days later I was getting calls from a group of asians shouting I am going to cut you up you white mother f'er and generally shouting abuse and death threats - thanks lads!
3. In a snooker club, nice quiet place you would think. Group of 6 asian youths on table next to us constantly using mobile phone (not allowed), I asked if they could stop (politely at first) after a hail of abuse one lad tole me he needed to use his phone because his gran was ill, load of cobblers. Eventually the manager kicked them out and told them not to come back, an hour or so later my buddy and me left to go home and lo and behold, all 6 waiting for us two outside the club. After some foul abuse from them they backed down after they realised we were ready for trouble, I'm fit and carrying a solid cue case and my buddy is an ex para.

I could go on, but after that lot why should I have to 'like' asians and blacks, please tell me??

Reading some of the posts here make you feel nostalgic at the demise of the web site whitesonly.net, an openly white supremist nazi site ran by a Jew who reported users to the FBI. Note to the ignorant, Muslims can be white such as those resident in Chechnya, a disputed part of Russia. There are also indigenous Muslims in Africa, along with Turkey, a country that spans two continents both Europe and Asia. Up until the 15th century there were even in Spain. You can't call a person by their colour.

I wonder who you can report the jewish supremasists to

Before I start I should say that I have travelled extensively through central asia and had nothing but positive experiences with muslims, offering help, food drinks etc all very nice.

However, here in the UK I have had universally bad experiences with asians, blacks and muslims in general.
1. In a club many years ago, big black fella comes from nowhere and fractures my cheek with a nifty roundhouse - cheers fella!
2. Selling my car, asian lad calls from Brum, says he will pay full price sight unseen after I told him a local guy had offered full price. He turns up with 4 buddies in a Subaru and offers me a much lower price, I said no thanks and walked away. All 4 of them smash the car to pieces in front of me, boulder through windscreen, every panel kicked and scratched - result £4k of damage.
Funny thing was a plain clothed policeman was with me at the time and saw the whole thing!!! For days later I was getting calls from a group of asians shouting I am going to cut you up you white mother f'er and generally shouting abuse and death threats - thanks lads!
3. In a snooker club, nice quiet place you would think. Group of 6 asian youths on table next to us constantly using mobile phone (not allowed), I asked if they could stop (politely at first) after a hail of abuse one lad tole me he needed to use his phone because his gran was ill, load of cobblers. Eventually the manager kicked them out and told them not to come back, an hour or so later my buddy and me left to go home and lo and behold, all 6 waiting for us two outside the club. After some foul abuse from them they backed down after they realised we were ready for trouble, I'm fit and carrying a solid cue case and my buddy is an ex para.

I could go on, but after that lot why should I have to 'like' asians and blacks, please tell me??


Number 2 is a nasty piece of organised crime, which you were very unlucky to encounter, but 1 and 3 are just everyday thuggery that plenty of white people get up to. I could spend the afternoon listing unproked attacks by drunk white kids that I or my mates have witnessed/suffered.

I sometimes think the problem is that the idea of 'p c' which I think is more often than not just that - an idea, has led people to forget that d***heads come in all shapes, sizes and colours.

Following on from incident no.2, as a police officer was present I laboured under the dillusion something would be done, afterall I had the guys name, phone number and car reg but suprise suprise 3 years later and I have not been called to act as a witness in a court of law! after the death threats both me and my better half were terrified of being attacked, the police told me not to worry as they were from a known group of drug dealers in Brum and would have better things to do than rough us up! Thanks to the police for that reassuring point of view.
I have never had similar experiences with white people might I add and I certainly don't go looking for trouble.

I find it strange that throughout my travels, including Northern Afghanistan everyone wanted to talk to us and be our friends but over here they just seem to detest whites. Why is that?

Yes........ Why? As mentioned its a group within a group. No problem with the group as a whole. Did you actually read what i typed?

I asked on the forum yesterday about the Citizens Advice Bureau on Spital Hill and received a few replies (now removed) mainly slagging off Asians, "they get priority, will push to the front of the queue etc. I visited today and yes there were alot of Asians there but no one jumped the queue or seemed to get preferential treatment everyone I spoke to were very friendly.

I asked on the forum yesterday about the Citizens Advice Bureau on Spital Hill and received a few replies (now removed) mainly slagging off Asians, "they get priority, will push to the front of the queue etc. I visited today and yes there were alot of Asians there but no one jumped the queue or seemed to get preferential treatment everyone I spoke to were very friendly.

It's the Daily Mail idea of 'them' getting millions of pounds in benefit, 'them' getting 7 bedroom houses, millions of 'them' per day walking through the channel tunnel. No-one seems to have any real evidence of groups getting preferential treatment, it's just an easy cliche to get wound up about

I don't know how this thread got "bumped up" but it seems to be 4 years old.

im whie - ive got asian cousins and black cousins - were not all bad

I'm always listening to people bitching and griping about the Asian people in Sheffield.

I'm a young, white female. I live in an area off London Road where the community is predominantly enthnic minority and largely Asian, and I've never ever had a bad experience with them. In fact, my experiences of Asian people have been very positive.

When my car broke down recently five men from two Asian families who live on my road spent nearly two hours cheerfully trying to fix it for me. The Asian family who run my local shop are always pleasent and go out of their way to be helpful, as do the majority of Asian taxi drivers I meet.

Young Asian men get a lot of bad press, and I will admit I've been 'hassled' (shouted at, whistled at, ect.) in the street by them on a few occasions, but I find them no more threatening than the gangs of young white men who do the same thing. Surely that's an issue to do with age and education, not race?

Does anyone have any thoughts on this? Why do Sheffield Asians have a bad reputation when in my experience they seem like very nice people?


I have noticed that the negative attitude that many take with Asians is directed only towards Pakistani people, not chinese/India/Japanese, and I do wonder if it's because they showed little distaste for their fellow muslims blowing people of all races and creeds up in terrorist attacks all over the world, including England... We had marches against the invasion of Iraq, but the muslim community didn't protest against murderers killing in their name, just over a few daft cartoons in a Danish newspaper, printed almost a full year after they were published! This is a situation that is peculiar to this one community, and so by not mixing in with others a easily as everyone else does it doesn't help their case... I have to say that I have probably only ever spoken to Indian students and a few Chinese in the asian population of London Rd - I am right in thinking you mean Pakistanis, am I?

I don't think they do have a bad reputation. I think Muslims do and to some extent it is justified but not all Asians are Muslim and not all Muslims are Asian.

The reason you never hear anything about the chinese is because they are on the whole decent, nice people. They came to Britain because they wanted to be here and enjoyed all our freedoms (for how long Gordon?). They have integrated, started businesses and been succesfull and you never hear a peep from them.

I'm an international student at Sheffield Hallam Uni. from India, just came last sep. There was this incident which happened backside of Staples store (St. Mary's rd) which really scared..there was this group of 4-6 afro kids who were crossing the road and in the opposite direction were a couple of caucasian young men I was about 6-8 feet behind the caucasian men. I saw the afro kids say something to caucasians and they got into an argument and just when I thought it ended....the afro kids rounded up and hit him on the head, one guy got a bruised eye and ran away...nobody in that vicinity didnt seem to care about it, I'm sure if that was the other way round, all hell would break lose.

I dont know what is it about the road that I live on, every other day there is atleast one car window that is smashed??

IMO it's because most people have had a bad expeience with an person of Asian Origin. IMO the word Asian is too wide to cover the different segments of cultures and races etc....if you are talking about Indians then say Indians.

I could say the reason Pakistanni people have a bad reputation is because the younger ones have attitude problems and talk like they are stupid with their idiot views, the women can't drive and in most cases it's clear they do not hold a licence, they park all over near the mosques and won't integrate with the English, but I won't.......oops