a 14 year old boy died when the stolen car they were travelling in crashed into a tree and overturned on Concord road, Shiregreen.

Story here (http://www.sheffieldtoday.net/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=58&ArticleID=958207)

I lost a friend in an accident similar to that, the car wasn't stolen but it the driver was illegally driving. Now I hope that the surviors live in complete pain, phsyically and mentally for the rest of their lives!

I think this was mentioned yesterday shortly after it happened. It was on the BBC.

I've never known anyone personally be affected like that, but living near Rivelin Valley road I've seen or heard of quite a few horrific accidents, usually involving young drivers in powerful cars.

Originally posted by spiffymonkey
living near Rivelin Valley road I've seen or heard of quite a few horrific accidents, usually involving young drivers in powerful cars.

Yes, young idiots thinking they candle handle big powerful cars.. Call me a cold hearted but I've no sympathy for idiots who have no respect for other road users when tearing around in these vehicles not only putting their lives in danger but ours too :nono:

A 14 year old boy died when the stolen car they were travelling in crashed into a tree...

OMG ..... Is the tree ok?

I agree with all the above.

How long will it be before the "oh he was a misguided youth" posts show up?.

Frankly if these people wanna kill themselves,let them but sadly innocent people become involed from time to time.

No doubt we will hear fron the, oh they didnt have enough toys or they are bored living on estates with nothing to do.

bring it on.

Originally posted by serapis
A 14 year old boy died when the stolen car they were travelling in crashed into a tree...

OMG ..... Is the tree ok?

looks like it, someone has given it some flowers to make its recovery a little less painful.

By the sounds of the above posts we know nothing about this person or his situation.

Originally posted by tango2


How long will it be before the "oh he was a misguided youth" posts show up?.

.

Well, I'm not gonna say the quote above but if people can't spare a thought for this child (yeah - I know he was behaving like a fool but he was a child) at least spare a thought for his family who hopefully did care for him.

That's all I wanted to say - alot of people read this forum and I've got close family of similar age. Very much doubt they'd be so stupid to do what this lad did but...you never know... and I'd still grieve so much for them even if they did die in this way.

Just my quick comment tis all!

oh, he was a misguided youth.

He probably didn't have enough toys, and was bored because he lived on an estate.

I have no sympaqthy whatsoever for the morons in the car.All the time around Shiregreen,we get the idiots in the cars racing around.It was only a matter of time before someone was killed.At least it wasn't someone innocent like it usually is.

Whats the betting that someone is on Calender or Look North saying that "he was a smashing lad really,just in with the wrong crowd"?

Why is it never the driver that dies????

sorry but they knew what they were doing, i have nearly lost friends due to joyriders hitting them so i have no sympathy for them.

the parents yes them no!

R.I.P? nah R.I.H

Originally posted by threecolours
Well, I'm not gonna say the quote above but if people can't spare a thought for this child (yeah - I know he was behaving like a fool but he was a child)

Does being a child make it okay to steal someones car and smash it up? I think not.. The child was old enough to know full well what he was doing, and therefore accept the consequences associated with them.

I doubt many people will shed a tear, except close family.

Originally posted by Skatiechik
Does being a child make it okay to steal someones car and smash it up?.

No it doesnt - and if you read my post I never said it was.

Originally posted by threecolours
By the sounds of the above posts we know nothing about this person or his situation.



Well, I'm not gonna say the quote above but if people can't spare a thought for this child (yeah - I know he was behaving like a fool but he was a child) at least spare a thought for his family who hopefully did care for him.

That's all I wanted to say - alot of people read this forum and I've got close family of similar age. Very much doubt they'd be so stupid to do what this lad did but...you never know... and I'd still grieve so much for them even if they did die in this way.

Just my quick comment tis all!

Well i'm not going to argue with you and i think people will spare a thought. My comment however was aimed at the ones who didn't die in the crash, hoping that they will suffer much more than physical pain for what they have done.

Originally posted by Deejay
Yes, young idiots thinking they candle handle big powerful cars.. Call me a cold hearted but I've no sympathy for idiots who have no respect for other road users when tearing around in these vehicles not only putting their lives in danger but ours too :nono: Sorry but I have to agree.

And nice to see the Police not taking a hammering for once - it seems that usually the Police chasing the car is used as the excuse. With no mention of Police chasing this vehicle, this story's proof that these idiots will endager/kill themselves or others all by themselves.

Someone has died in horrific circumstances ... can you imagine the pain ... the shock to this boy's system ... as his life was slipping away ... the regret ... the grief his mom is going through ...

I think the people who have never done anything wrong in thier entire lives have the right to make such flippent comments like the ones on this thread ...

Originally posted by Jamie
Someone has died in horrific circumstances ... can you imagine the pain ... the shock to this boy's system ... as his life was slipping away ... the regret ... the grief his mom is going through ...

I agree with you Jamie but at the end of the day.. 'He got in the car'.. knowing full well the driver was not legally entitled to be in the drivers seat..

A wasted life for a few minutes of adrenaline..

:(

It's sad that a young person has lost his life, but as my daughter and grandchildren live just a few yards from the scene, I am thanking God that these mindless morons didn't hit one of them.

Urgh another joyride, another accident.

Insurance company will assume that all young male LEGAL new drivers will act like that. :@

My insurance is high because of things like this...

Originally posted by Jamie
Someone has died in horrific circumstances ... can you imagine the pain ... the shock to this boy's system ... as his life was slipping away ... the regret ... the grief his mom is going through ...

I think the people who have never done anything wrong in thier entire lives have the right to make such flippent comments like the ones on this thread ...

Absolutely, it must be horrendous to be in such an incident and know that you've basically come to the end. I feel for the boys parents as much as anyone else. If my son (now 2) did similar and I looked back at the 14 years gone by I don't know what I'd do.

On the other hand, as previously mentioned, he did get in the car, voluntarily, with the intention of being put in danger. What I hope is that others kids his age, especially in his social group or those like them, will realise that being dead isn't worth the risk. I just don't think it's going to happen. Kids at that age with that mind set just don't think like rational adults because, well, they aren't. They're kids.

Don't think I'm going soft on them by the way. There are plenty of kids who don't go out and kill themselves in other peoples' cars. If he's old enough to be out at night with his mates he's old enough to know that if he kills himself in a stupid stunt then it's his own fault. I'm just pointing out that the rationalisation of "he got killed doing this, so I might too" just doesn't enter these peoples' minds. They're invincible in their own egos.

When similar aged kids took my car and smashed it up I wanted them caught and punished. I did not wish them dead.

sorry but it would have been 100 times worse if the car had hit a couple of kids playing in the street and killed them joyriders risk there own lives but they also risk the lifes of everyone around them.....without a thought

dont know how true it is but i just heard that the guy driving and the one who died are brothers.

If a speeding driver had been killed in a car crash, would we have sympathy for him?

After all, he would be breaking the law and would deserve to die.

I take it no-one on here has ever speeded.

One of my initial thoughts was simular to what you're thinking spiffymonkey ... the surviving kids could go round schools and in front of the whole school explain what the accident was like and how it has affected their lives ... maybe that'd do some good for the surviving kids and kids in school !?

No matter how badly someone behaves they're still a human being and feel pretty much the same things as the rest of us ... and i know it's not good for these kids to steal cars and drive recklessly ... endagering themselves and others ... it's illeagal and stupid and wreckless ... and on some level you can say they have created the situation leading to this kids demise (and I believe 100% we have to take responsibility for the situations in life we create for ourselves) ... but i don't at all think they deserve it or that it's somehow a good thing one more joyrider is 'off the streets'.

We're all capable of doing stupid things and making mistakes in life (and i'm sure we all have before ... I know I do) ...

The kid was in the front seat without a seat belt on, but I bet the moron driver had his on.It is always the passengers that get seriously hurt or killed but the moron driving it get's cut's & bruises. And the only thing the courts will say is he will have to live with this for the rest of his life,like hell he will give him 6 months & this moron will steal someone elses car.I would like to say condolences to the dead childs family.

Jamie,

I just hope to God I never make such a horrendous mistake. I'd love to agree with you that we are all human and that we all share the same feelings but unfortunately in reality, we know that isn't the case. Some people just don't have a conscience. What a terrible waste of such a young life.

...I know this is an open forum...
But..Pleeeaaaseee show some respect for the family and friends of this lad.

Whatever he was upto at the time of his accident , he is still a person who will be missed by a loving family who may read this forum and be so upset by the comments being made.

Please think how you would feel if it was your own family member or friend.

Originally posted by Snook
oh, he was a misguided youth.

He probably didn't have enough toys, and was bored because he lived on an estate.

Well reading that report it seems the oldest of the four was 18, so technically an adult. The others were 15, 14, and 12 - so misguided is probably accurate.

It's likely that it was the 18 year old who was driving and entirley possible the others were not aware the car was stolen ??

Think we need to wait for more details before being too judgemental about it.

Well at least it will save the country a few bob from banging him up in future years.

Did you see the figures that say it's cheaper to send a kid to Eton and live in a top hotel with a dedicated social worker for A YEAR than it is to lock them up!!!!

I'm sorry but I have no sympathy whatsoever. A lot of the problems has to lie with the parents (maybe not in this case but generally so) so how can you sympathise with people who haven't made the effort to teach their kids right from wrong?

I'm saying this a parent whose young son was nearly hit by an idiot young driver. Rather someone elses kid than mine.

I no of a way to keep youths of streets like the lads like the ones in the accident. Give them something to do or respect.

If you give them a bit of space, land, wall or there own youth worker or something along those lines. They respect it. It's hard to explain but i'll try.

You give a group of youths a place to put things they want like a BMX track or graffti wall. I was involved with a youth building been built near longley.I was involved but got put off because of the gang there. They got to choose what they wanted in it and help design it etc.
They are loads of things to keep youths of the streets now but you got to find out how to get want ever you want. They is a lack of people who are willing to help gangs get these grants of money and find out where the youth buildings are.

You will be amazed to see the respect you get of youths when you help them do something they want.

x x msnutty x x

Originally posted by msnutty
I no of a way to keep youths of streets like the lads like the ones in the accident. Give them something to do or respect.

If you give them a bit of space, land, wall or there own youth worker or something along those lines. They respect it. It's hard to explain but i'll try.

You give a group of youths a place to put things they want like a BMX track or graffti wall. I was involved with a youth building been built near longley.I was involved but got put off because of the gang there. They got to choose what they wanted in it and help design it etc.
They are loads of things to keep youths of the streets now but you got to find out how to get want ever you want. They is a lack of people who are willing to help gangs get these grants of money and find out where the youth buildings are.

You will be amazed to see the respect you get of youths when you help them do something they want.

x x msnutty x x


the way i see it respect has to be earned and providing youth clubs and whinging about theres nothing for them to do is just to put it mildly crap

Originally posted by Jamie
Someone has died in horrific circumstances ... can you imagine the pain ... the shock to this boy's system ... as his life was slipping away ... the regret ... the grief his mom is going through ...

I think the people who have never done anything wrong in thier entire lives have the right to make such flippent comments like the ones on this thread ...


Should have thought of that before doing the deed.

I am genuinely shocked & disgusted at some of the comments made here. How can some of you consider life to be so cheap? I am not condoning the boys actions, I know almost nothing about the boy or the incident (same as everyone here).

A person & their life (any person & every person) is such a complicated and multi-faceted thing. I am truely at a loss as to how anyone can say, or imply, that this lad deserved to DIE because of one decision (to get into that car). How many of you would like a decision to be made as to whether you were worthy of living or not because of one single action, & you were allowed no defence, nothing else taken into consideration. Your whole life judged on a split-second snapshot of time.

You know NOTHING about this boy, what the hell gives you the right to pronounce judgement on the value of his life? Or am I mistaken & is God a regular poster on sheffieldforum? Those of you that regard human life as so cheap should be truely ashamed of yourselves.

Just a reflection of society in general I fear. We seem to love extracting our pound of flesh. Perhaps the realisation of what the driver has done will haunt him more than any revenge or punishment ever could.

More lives ruined for the sake of the 'buzz' and more will surely follow.

Originally posted by Terraviva
I am genuinely shocked & disgusted at some of the comments made here. How can some of you consider life to be so cheap? I am not condoning the boys actions, I know almost nothing about the boy or the incident (same as everyone here).

A person & their life (any person & every person) is such a complicated and multi-faceted thing. I am truely at a loss as to how anyone can say, or imply, that this lad deserved to DIE because of one decision (to get into that car). How many of you would like a decision to be made as to whether you were worthy of living or not because of one single action, & you were allowed no defence, nothing else taken into consideration. Your whole life judged on a split-second snapshot of time.

You know NOTHING about this boy, what the hell gives you the right to pronounce judgement on the value of his life? Or am I mistaken & is God a regular poster on sheffieldforum? Those of you that regard human life as so cheap should be truely ashamed of yourselves.

Nonsense!

Not Sheffield related, but here's a similar sequence of events that took place over the weekend in a town not far from where I am right now:

3 youths in a stolen car are being pursued by a police car through a particularly unsavoury part of town (let's say it's not dissimilar to the Manor). The teenage driver loses control on a bend and hits a tree, killing his 2 passengers. The driver then flees the scene. While the police are cutting the dead teenagers free a crowd of locals gather and the situation quickly becomes ugly with rocks thrown at the police etc.

The police are then blamed by the locals for the deaths of the two teenagers and the unrest turns into a full scale riot. This goes on for 4 nights with cars set on fire and several police injured.

The locals argue that: if the police hadn't pursued the stolen car, then the teenagers wouldn't have driven at an insane speed and crashed into the tree.

This theory is also being bandied around by the inevitable do-gooders, social workers etc.

The police are in a very difficult situation: do they do what we pay them for and pursue the criminals, or do they let them get away with their crimes in case the criminals injure themselves?

Originally posted by Terraviva
I am genuinely shocked & disgusted at some of the comments made here. How can some of you consider life to be so cheap? I am not condoning the boys actions, I know almost nothing about the boy or the incident (same as everyone here).

A person & their life (any person & every person) is such a complicated and multi-faceted thing. I am truely at a loss as to how anyone can say, or imply, that this lad deserved to DIE because of one decision (to get into that car). How many of you would like a decision to be made as to whether you were worthy of living or not because of one single action, & you were allowed no defence, nothing else taken into consideration. Your whole life judged on a split-second snapshot of time.

You know NOTHING about this boy, what the hell gives you the right to pronounce judgement on the value of his life? Or am I mistaken & is God a regular poster on sheffieldforum? Those of you that regard human life as so cheap should be truely ashamed of yourselves.


I know of someone who's Dad was killed in an accident with joyriders. She was in the car with her boyfriend who both escaped with minor injuries but her Dad was pronounced dead on arrival.

I'm sure that the girl in question and her family have no sympathy for joyriders and I certainly don't.

They are not forced to steal cars, or drive without insurance or drive without passing their test are they??? Whatever their lifestyle and upbringing is.

Joyriders put INNOCENT people's lives at risk, any of us could have been in an accident with the joyriders in question and thankfully noone but the fools themselves were killed or injured.

I think it is time to stop calling these thieves Joyriders,what joy is there in stealing someone's hard earned car or someone getting killed.I for one do not think it is Joy.

Will TWOCers do for you?

My son had his car stolen some years ago & it was found in a wooded area with all the windows smashed,if my son had claimed on his insurance ,his following year would have gone up by £120,so he went to scrap yards for 2 weeks & found every window at a cost of £60.There were fingerprints all over the car & a fantastic trainer print on the bonnet,but nothing could be done by the police.Stealing someone's car is not a funny subject it is the most expensive thing in someone's life to buy other than a house.Joyriders (THIEVES) Should be put in prison for any death caused by their actions.

Originally posted by Greybeard
Well reading that report it seems the oldest of the four was 18, so technically an adult. The others were 15, 14, and 12 - so misguided is probably accurate.

It's likely that it was the 18 year old who was driving and entirley possible the others were not aware the car was stolen ??.

Err likely???? - probably not lets not forget that a fair % of people who steal cars are underage, 15 and 14 is not an unbelievable age for a thief and there was even the case of the 12 year old who was arrested for drink driving.

they didnt know it was stolen, i must confess i dont what the car was. Can anyone enlighten me on this before i pass comment i.e did the car match the age and social standing of the driver OR if it wasnt the 18 year old driving then it was illegal anyway.

Once again i have sympathy for the family of the deceased but for the kid who drived, i hope one day another car thief runs into him(if it was male i am making a presumption here) and kills him.

Notice i never referred to them as joyriders, there is no joy in death, they are thieves pure and simple.

It's likely that it was the 18 year old who was driving and entirley possible the others were not aware the car was stolen ??.

Having never stolen a car I could be wrong but unless they stole it with the keys in then I would imagine the steering lock etc would have been damaged...

Originally posted by neeeeeeeeeek
Having never stolen a car I could be wrong but unless they stole it with the keys in then I would imagine the steering lock etc would have been damaged...
The thieves use a screwdriver to break the locks

Originally posted by Terraviva
I am genuinely shocked & disgusted at some of the comments made here. How can some of you consider life to be so cheap? I am not condoning the boys actions, I know almost nothing about the boy or the incident (same as everyone here).

On the one hand, most of the comments that get posted on this forum are by people who have little background knowledge of the topic in question.

On the other, the 'joy'rider will just get a slap on the wrists and a community behaviour order, or some other touchy-feely social worker monitored piece of claptrap, so please add me to the list of people who is glad someone has suffered for this crime. If you break the law you have to accept the consequences, no matter what.

Originally posted by sheffbag
Err likely???? - probably not lets not forget that a fair % of people who steal cars are underage, 15 and 14 is not an unbelievable age for a thief and there was even the case of the 12 year old who was arrested for drink driving.


Well there will be an inquest and a trial where the facts will emerge. Some people are too ready to pre-judge the issue on speculation alone.

Originally posted by alchresearch
On the one hand, most of the comments that get posted on this forum are by people who have little background knowledge of the topic in question.

On the other, the 'joy'rider will just get a slap on the wrists and a community behaviour order, or some other touchy-feely social worker monitored piece of claptrap, so please add me to the list of people who is glad someone has suffered for this crime. If you break the law you have to accept the consequences, no matter what.

Perhaps you could fill us in with some 'background knowledge' ?

The family of the dead boy will be pleased to hear of your rejoicing, it is they who are suffering now, not the boy.

The 18 year old will be dealt with as an adult offender, but is unlikely to receive the death penalty; presumably you feel the death penalty is a suitable punishment for driving or riding in a stolen vehicle, - even for children ?

Originally posted by Greybeard
Perhaps you could fill us in with some 'background knowledge' ?

The family of the dead boy will be pleased to hear of your rejoicing, it is they who are suffering now, not the boy.

The 18 year old will be dealt with as an adult offender, but is unlikely to receive the death penalty; presumably you feel the death penalty is a suitable punishment for driving or riding in a stolen vehicle, - even for children ?

I don't have any background knowledge - that is exactly my point. My view, just like anyone else's, is an uninformed opinion based upon the original post.

The driver sentenced his passengers to the death penalty.

Originally posted by venger
Will TWOCers do for you?

They changed that ( taken without owners consent)

To TWLA a few years ago (Taken without lawful authority)

If your mates call you a Twoccer is sounds like you are the Dogs Bo**** to them

May he rest in pieces

i'd just like to say how dissapointed i am in all of the peoples comments in this thread.

i live round the corner from where that kid died and i just like to say (not that ne of u lot have) how sorry i am to his parents.


now i know what they were doing and all these joy riders do annoy me. i have an 18month old daughter and when i am walkin with her in her push chair i am scared for her safety, but just because of that it doesnt give me or neone else the right to be happy that someone has died.

He was a 14 year old lad for gods sake, he had his whole life ahead of him. now i know most of u will say that he wudnt have had much of one and wud have just gone on causing more and more trouble, but thats not always the case!

my partner, who is now 27, was one of those joy riding yobs when he was younger but he changed. he couldnt be anymore different now to what he was then even if he tried. he is a loving person and all he cares about is his little girl and me and his little sisters, his mum and his niece. he couldnt be anymore caring than he his. he works hard for a living, he works more hours thatn he has too to make sure we get what we need and can treat our lil girl.

now what if that kid had turned out to be like that? working hard for a living to support his family? would you still be happy about him dieing if that was the case?

maybe you should all think about what it wud have been like if that was your child.

Originally posted by x_LoUiSe_x
i'd just like to say how dissapointed i am in all of the peoples comments in this thread.

i live round the corner from where that kid died and i just like to say (not that ne of u lot have) how sorry i am to his parents.


Just on behalf of myself and the other people in this thread who have _not_ been rejoicing at the premature termination of a young life, I'd ask that you not tar us all with the same brush.

Thanks.

Originally posted by x_LoUiSe_x
maybe you should all think about what it wud have been like if that was your child.

This has been said many times before and I shall say it again. Yes I understand the family will be deeply hurt and sad at their loss.. That I do sympathise with..

Just dont expect any sympathy from me for the brainless morons that cut his life short..

If it had been your daughter killed in this crash would your views still be the same ? I'm just curious :)

Originally posted by x_LoUiSe_x
now what if that kid had turned out to be like that? working hard for a living to support his family? would you still be happy about him dieing if that was the case?

Who ever said they were happy about him dying ? My only comment about that lad was that he knew what the dangers were of getting in the car with an un-licensed and uninsured driver..

Not arguing, just airing my personal views :)

Not rejoicing at the loss of life - that wouldn't be right. Just commenting that perhaps if this person had been brought up believing that joyriding wasn't wrong and hadn't been so poorly parented as to be out doing it, then the accident wouldn't have happened.
This thread would have a whole different tone if they'd wiped out a pedestrian, me thinks.
He knew the risk, and if he didn't he shouldn't've been out unsupervised.

I've heard so many stories of people being injured or killed through 'joy'riding in the news over the years, mostly innocent people who had nothing to do with the crime.
I haven't heard many stories of the actual criminals themselves being injured or killed whilst doing this.

So whilst I don't wish anyone's lives to end in this way. I'd rather it be the criminal than the innocent bystander. Especially if it means other idiots who commit crimes like these will think twice....

Also, on the point that x_LoUiSe_x brought up about the kid possibly turning out okay when they were older... you could say exactly the opposite....
Maybe this way was best because he would never have changed and could have ended up killing children/babies etc the next time he stole a car...

No one who has commented on this thread so far has admitted knowing anything of this boy, his family, his personal circumstances or the circumstances of this incident. How on earth can one comment about his parents or their parenting skills?

I agree - twocing is completely out of order and dangerous to us all, but a kid has lost his life. It looks like he wasn't the driver. No info that he was in any way involved in stealing the car. Until then, how's about withholding judgement?

Originally posted by mojoworking
Not Sheffield related, but here's a similar sequence of events that took place over the weekend in a town not far from where I am right now:

3 youths in a stolen car are being pursued by a police car through a particularly unsavoury part of town (let's say it's not dissimilar to the Manor). The teenage driver loses control on a bend and hits a tree, killing his 2 passengers. The driver then flees the scene. While the police are cutting the dead teenagers free a crowd of locals gather and the situation quickly becomes ugly with rocks thrown at the police etc.

The police are then blamed by the locals for the deaths of the two teenagers and the unrest turns into a full scale riot. This goes on for 4 nights with cars set on fire and several police injured.


Are you talking about this incident in Sydney?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-1505378,00.html

Fair comment, there is always a but!

Good, bad or ugly, he chose the wrong FRIENDS?

I feel no guilt for any of my comments.

This thread woul have been so different as metioned if a pedestrian (etc) was injured or worse.

Well oh dear, it always seems to be someone else`s fault.

Boo bloody who?

From BBC News:-

Arrests follow fatal car accident

A car which overturned in Sheffield, killing a 14-year-old boy and seriously injuring another, was stolen, police have revealed.
The teenager was a passenger in a red Vauxhall Cavalier that crashed in Concorde Road, Shiregreen, on Sunday.

It is believed the car struck a mini roundabout and another vehicle before hitting a tree and overturning into a garden, a spokeswoman said.

Two youths, aged 15 and 18, have been arrested and released on bail.

The pair were held on suspicion of aggregated vehicle taking and causing death be dangerous driving, a spokeswoman said.

A 12-year-old boy, from Wincobank, remains in hospital after suffering a broken leg, she added.

The car had been reported stolen from the Wincobank area overnight on Saturday.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/south_yorkshire/4303863.stm

my sympathies to the boys family.
thats it, it was is own fault for getting into a stolen car with his so called mates in the first place, you cant say he didnt know what he was doing.....?
joyriders crashed into my brothers car last year, screaming down herries road, fortunately, he wasnt too badly injured, but he had just dropped off his 2 young girls at their grandma's shortly before the accident, or it could have been a lot worse.
mindless idiots , IMO.
:rant: OVER.

Only an observation, sympathy and respect are things which can only occur on a mutual basis.

The Driver had no licence
The driver had no insurance
The car was stolen,
by default the vehicle had no right to be on the road.

The large number of car theives (lets not beat about the bush here "joyriders" gives them a title that is so inacurate) and scum, that are to be found around the local shops and street corners are destroying the trade of lcoal shops as customers will not venture out after dark, for fear of incidents and abuse.

THe police are sent from pillar to post trying to create order, whilst under age illegal drivers are stealing cars, when one crashes it is how heartless we all are because we do not show sympathy to the deceised and their family. If the car had not been stolen it would not have crashed, the driver would not have died, the other kids would not have been injured and the owner of the carr would still have his or her vehicle that they perhaps depend upon for their own family transport,

People are up in arms about speed cameras, radar traps and the like, someone tried to sell me a radar detector unit, i laughed at them and said its no use to me, as i explained if you dont speed they dont catch you, if you dont park on restricted spaces you dont get a ticket or clamped.

The Law of the land might not be all things to all men, but it is designed to give a even playing field, if you dont want to get burnt dont play with the fire.

Yeah, agree with the above post.

I saved hard for my car, parked it on my drive I only had it three day,s when some joyrider,s took it...I feel sorry for the family who lost the lad... But at 14 he would have known right from wrong????????

lets be frank.

It's awful when someone dies like this and its awful for any family to lose a child.

However, when he set foot in that car he knew the risk he was taking. The parents obviously didn't bring him up right if he thought that stealing and joyriding is right.

Look at it this way. They hit a tree. IT COULD EASILY HAVE BEEN A CHILD .

At least the only ones effected were the morons who brought it on themselves.

All these people who saying we should be feeling sorry for this boy's parents... why were his parents letting him go around with car thieves if they were so concerned about his safety?

There are some parents on our street who are happy for their kids to be going about late at night with trouble makers because they don't want to bother with them in the house. If their kids get in a similar situation to what has happened to this boy who has died, I would not feel any sympathy at all for the parents.

Maybe the "grieving" parents should be arrested for questioning about why they allowed their son to go with friends stealing cars? And don't let them use the excuse "there aint enough youf clubz in our area".

Originally posted by Bloomdido
Just a reflection of society in general I fear. We seem to love extracting our pound of flesh. Perhaps the realisation of what the driver has done will haunt him more than any revenge or punishment ever could.

More lives ruined for the sake of the 'buzz' and more will surely follow.

Unfortunatly, extracting our pound of flesh seems to be the only form of recompense these days:roll:

As a parent I am saddened to hear of the loss of a childs life.
Then again, AS A PARENT, it could have been my child hit by these young fools.
I know on which side of the fence I'm standing.

Originally posted by Fingers
Are you talking about this incident in Sydney?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-1505378,00.html

That's the one

All this talk of a child being hit is fair, but lets face it, it could have been anyone of us or our parents, pets or friends.

Or on the other hand, it still could be in the future, you can include stabbings and muggings to the list if you want also.

Originally posted by x_LoUiSe_x
i'd just like to say how dissapointed i am in all of the peoples comments in this thread.

i live round the corner from where that kid died and i just like to say (not that ne of u lot have) how sorry i am to his parents.


now i know what they were doing and all these joy riders do annoy me. i have an 18month old daughter and when i am walkin with her in her push chair i am scared for her safety, but just because of that it doesnt give me or neone else the right to be happy that someone has died.

He was a 14 year old lad for gods sake, he had his whole life ahead of him. now i know most of u will say that he wudnt have had much of one and wud have just gone on causing more and more trouble, but thats not always the case!

my partner, who is now 27, was one of those joy riding yobs when he was younger but he changed. he couldnt be anymore different now to what he was then even if he tried. he is a loving person and all he cares about is his little girl and me and his little sisters, his mum and his niece. he couldnt be anymore caring than he his. he works hard for a living, he works more hours thatn he has too to make sure we get what we need and can treat our lil girl.

now what if that kid had turned out to be like that? working hard for a living to support his family? would you still be happy about him dieing if that was the case?

maybe you should all think about what it wud have been like if that was your child.
But does he regret what he did?
Is he genuinely sorry ?
Has he ever gone back to the owners of the property he took, smashed, destroyed, burned, whatever & apollogised?
Or offered to recoup their financial losses now that he's working?

No one would like to lose a child.
But neither would we like an innocent child to be killed BY a car thief.
If a car has to be stolen & a life must end - then let the thief die.

In the words of Nelson Munse from The Simpsons.

HAHA.

Stupid sods shouldnt have stole the car in the first place.

One thing springs to mind about all this- where were the parents when this was happening? Boozer perhaps? Coked upto the eyeballs? Or c- Somewhere else.

Unfortunatly i was a witness to the whole incident as me and my 2 young children had just come out of the co-op on our way to concorde park.The car these social scabs were in was driving at least 70mph when it spead across a 4-way junction,jumped over the roundabout like a rally driver then hit a car,then a tree,rolled overa couple of times then ended up in a front garden.If the incident had happend 20 seconds later then me and my children would have been directly where the car flipped over,we wouldnt have stood a chance.
GOOD RIDANCE TO SCUM whether they are 14 or 44.
As i said i was on my way to the park with my kids (10 and 13)...NOT to nick a car and go joyriding and end up killing someone.
By the way the kid who died was the drivers brother judging by the way the driver was kicking in the windows shouting "Hes my brother,hes my brother"
Pity all 4 of them didnt die.....Thankfully the tree is o.k.

Am i ashamed that the scum who was in the car died rather than innocent people who could so very easily have been killed?
Mmmmmmmmmmmm gonna have to think about that one (not for friggin long though)
These idiots around shiregreen are joyriding all the time and think they own the road,maybe the death of a child will make them think before they decide to go joyriding again
I VERY MUCH DOUBT IT THOUGH...YOU NEED BRAINS TO THINK!!!

'kin scum - hope they all rot in hell.

Saw some tributes in tonights Star - TRIBUTES?!?!?!?

Originally posted by briggy1967
.......rolled overa couple of times then ended up in a front garden.

Hope the plants were okay

I think the cabbages were injured, didn`t the article mention that one received a broken leg?

I wonna say my bit.

I'm not glad the kid died, but i have NO sympathy at all.

I hope the one who survived can live with himself knowing that he killed his brother.

Will it make him see the error of his ways, well if killing your own brother doesn't give you the wake up call you need, nothing will.

Originally posted by oasismark
I wonna say my bit.

I'm not glad the kid died, but i have NO sympathy at all.

I hope the one who survived can live with himself knowing that he killed his brother.

Will it make him see the error of his ways, well if killing your own brother doesn't give you the wake up call you need, nothing will.

Only time will tell on that one.

Originally posted by briggy1967
Unfortunatly i was a witness to the whole incident as me and my 2 young children had just come out of the co-op on our way to concorde park.The car these social scabs were in was driving at least 70mph when it spead across a 4-way junction,jumped over the roundabout like a rally driver then hit a car,then a tree,rolled overa couple of times then ended up in a front garden.If the incident had happend 20 seconds later then me and my children would have been directly where the car flipped over,we wouldnt have stood a chance.

I overheard some people in Shiregreen talking about the incident earlier today. Apparently, the latest in 'entertainment' involves youths driving (speeding) down Concord Road at speeds of 70mph+ into Concord Park.

Have a look here (http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?client=public&X=437000.08641818&Y=392000.277073263&width=500&height=300&gride=&gridn=&srec=0&coordsys=gb&db=GB&addr1=&addr2=&addr3=&pc=&advanced=&local=&localinfosel=&kw=&inmap=&table=&ovtype=&zm=0&scale=25000&multimap.x=346&multimap.y=30) for a map of where the incident happened (near the envelope) and what their possible destination was.

I can only hope the incident is a wake up call for other 'bored' youths.

Originally posted by serapis
A 14 year old boy died when the stolen car they were travelling in crashed into a tree...

OMG ..... Is the tree ok?
some of you people on hear really make me sick with comments like that, yes the lad as done a foolish thing but has lost his life,if i was in charge of this site i would chuck you off. PRATTS !!!!!

Bigbifter - an old saying comes to mind

Live by the sword, die by the sword

He got what he deserved - end of story. Just a pity the driver didnt cop for it as well.

Originally posted by bigbifter
some of you people on hear really make me sick with comments like that, yes the lad as done a foolish thing but has lost his life,if i was in charge of this site i would chuck you off. PRATTS !!!!!

Foolish • adjective lacking good sense or judgement; silly or unwise.

Perhaps an understatement there ?

Thanks for your opinion anyway.

Note to BigBifter....If you and your family were walking along the road at the time of the accident and had (god forbid) been hit by the scum driving the car would that have made you feel sick??
Would you perhaps feel any different had your child been killed by the little ****e driving the car???
Would that make you a PRAT???
Idoubt VERY MUCH if you would feel the same had you,your family or any other innocent party had been involved/killed.
Think about it for a bit!!!

NOW whos the PRAT!!!

Just a little note in defence of the yoot (by that I mean youth in general, not this particular one!):

The people I see driving too fast are mostly older blokes in their MGs and BMWs, like, if you own the car, or you're over 18, suddenly its ok if you go round at 60 in a 30 zone. Guaranteed these guys are the first to get on their high horses about joyriders and kids nowadays, etc.

Originally posted by venger
Foolish • adjective lacking good sense or judgement; silly or unwise.

Perhaps an understatement there ?

Thanks for your opinion anyway.

I don't think that it's an understatement; I think foolish is a good word to describe a teenager who steals cars; what else would you call them? Evil?

I doubt that the boy that died ever sat and thought about the implications of their actions; while I've never done anything criminal, I did things as an adolescent that I regretted later, and I KNOW I can't be alone in that statement. I cannot believe there is anyone out there who think throught the implications of every single action they ever take; if there is, they must be quite dull!

To all those of you who seem to be glad that that this boy died, would you advocate the death penalty as punishment for perpetrators of similar offences? I wouldn't think so.

The crux of the matter is that a young man has lost his life becuase he did something stupid; that makes me feel sad for him and his family. I also feel very sorry for those people who can't find the compassion to share my feelings.

K x

Originally posted by Kristian
The crux of the matter is that a young man has lost his life becuase he did something stupid;

K x

I wouldn't say it was stupid, more highly illegal. Stupid is crossing the road when a car is coming, not hotwiring one.

I've just come back from my daughters who lives a few yards from where the 14 year old boy died last Sunday and I think we should not be surprised to hear of a similar tragedy in the not too distant future.

The usual gang of yobs were on Nethershire shops and a group of them wre racing about in a white car doing handbrake turns etc. whilst another lad on a yellow motorbike raced along side of them. A man passing by asked them if they hadn't learnt anything from last week and he just received a torrent of foul mouthed abuse.

But we'll all be expected to shed gallons of tears when the next scrote tops himself. Maybe the bloke who spoke to them didn't 'understand' them, eh?

Once a scrote, always a scrote... No offense to any genuinely decent S5 natives here but IMO Shiregreen is full of chavs.

I for one won't shed any tears if it's one of them, I think my feelings are pretty much the same as yours.

As for the passerby not understanding them, does anybody understand the mentality of these yobs. They seem to live with the rules of steal it, smash it, burn it and then move on and do something worse.

Originally posted by dollypeg
I for one won't shed any tears if it's one of them, I think my feelings are pretty much the same as yours.

As for the passerby not understanding them, does anybody understand the mentality of these yobs. They seem to live with the rules of steal it, smash it, burn it and then move on and do something worse.

That's because their families are on the dole, so they live in poverty, and only get the same money coming in as a security guard, checkout girl, postman or even myself. (who aren't living in poverty).

No, I don't understand it either!! :suspect:

Originally posted by Skatiechik
I wouldn't say it was stupid, more highly illegal. Stupid is crossing the road when a car is coming, not hotwiring one.

Illegal yes; stupid yes. Did he deserve to die? No.

K x

Originally posted by Kristian
Illegal yes; stupid yes. Did he deserve to die? No.

K x

Agreed but is that a reason to sympathise? I cant help but feel nothing regarding this apart from joy in the fact that he is off the road and will not be able to do it again and maybe injure or kill someone totally innocent, something he wasnt.

When I was 14 I had a fairly good idea what was right and wrong. Getting into an obviously stolen car would have entered mine and most peoples head as WRONG - therefore I wouldnt have gotten into it.

A lot of the problems stem from, and I hate to say it as it is very general, poverty and council house culture coupled with a lack of interest in education.

Originally posted by rooby_roo
Agreed but is that a reason to sympathise?

A fellow human being has died; the circumstances are irrelevent; bloody hell, of course it's a good enough reason! Can you hear yourself rooby_roo?

K x

Ok but would you be so sympathetic had the car rolled over onto a young INNOCENT child killing both the "joy"rider and the child?

By your logic the answer is yes, but by answering yes you then lose all credibility in being able to identify justice.

I hope your answer is no

Originally posted by rooby_roo
Ok but would you be so sympathetic had the car rolled over onto a young INNOCENT child killing both the "joy"rider and the child?

By your logic the answer is yes, but by answering yes you then lose all credibility in being able to identify justice.

I hope your answer is no

I would feel sorry for all involved. I'm glad that the scenario you present didn't happen, but remember; IT DIDN'T HAPPEN!

You seem to think that if this scenario did happen, that nobody should feel sorry for the person(s) who caused it. As it's clear that the person(s) involved did not intend for an accident (of any kind) to happen (however reckless and stupid their actions were) I still feel pity for those concerned.

K x

Originally posted by Kristian
Illegal yes; stupid yes. Did he deserve to die? No.

K x

Your right Kristian he didn't deserve to die. However, they all deserved to lean about Consequence in some form or another. I believe (or al least hope) that his death will teach the others a serious lesson so maybe it happend for this reason, if they had been caught by the police it wouldn't have changed their lives, all 4 would be at it again. Now the older brother has to face the reality he has killed his brother and has to live with it for the rest of his life. This, I would hope for the good of mankind will change him for the better for life and the others that were in the car.

Originally posted by duffman
Your right Kristian he didn't deserve to die. However, they all deserved to lean about Consequence in some form or another. I believe (or al least hope) that his death will teach the others a serious lesson so maybe it happend for this reason, if they had been caught by the police it wouldn't have changed their lives, all 4 would be at it again. Now the older brother has to face the reality he has killed his brother and has to live with it for the rest of his life. This, I would hope for the good of mankind will change him for the better for life and the others that were in the car.

I agree with you entirely. I'm still sorry that someone lost their life, and that innocent parties (his parents etc.) have t o live with the consequences!

K x

Actually kristian I'd like to backtrack and say that your right, he shouldn't have died.

He should have survived and tied to a lampost so that we could all give him a good kicking whilst walking past.

Wake up to the real world, you play with fire and sooner or later your gonna get burnt. His time came last week.

Who exactly do you sympathise with? His parents? Who probably **** their giro away every night! Or his brother who should have followed him out the windscreen?

Originally posted by rooby_roo
Actually kristian I'd like to backtrack and say that your right, he shouldn't have died.

He should have survived and tied to a lampost so that we could all give him a good kicking whilst walking past.

Wake up to the real world, you play with fire and sooner or later your gonna get burnt. His time came last week.

Who exactly do you sympathise with? His parents? Who probably **** their giro away every night! Or his brother who should have followed him out the windscreen?

How on earth is his parents financial situation relevant in this situation? I am very aware of what goes on in the real world, and believe me I know it ain't that pretty. By making statements like this, you just make yourself, and your argument sound stupid, bigotted and very behind the times!!!

Crime is not comitted exclusively by the poor in this world you know. You want me to wake up?

Get real, get some compassion, and pray that your family is never affected by such a tragedy! :rant: :rant: :rant:

You want car thieves tied to a lamppost? What would you like to do to people convicted of murder or rape?

Try and think carefully before you make your next post!!!

Originally posted by Kristian
I agree with you entirely. I'm still sorry that someone lost their life, and that innocent parties (his parents etc.) have t o live with the consequences!

K x

Yes, I know what you mean, it isn't nice whoever it happens to, but I have changed the way I look at things and this is one of those situations where I believe people have to suffer to learn the consequences. Maybe the parents have to suffer and pick themselves up to regroup as a family and become more aware of what is going on in their lives. I don't know as I don't know them and that is really more about what I bleieve.

Duff.

Originally posted by Kristian
I don't think that it's an understatement; I think foolish is a good word to describe a teenager who steals cars; what else would you call them? Evil?

I doubt that the boy that died ever sat and thought about the implications of their actions; while I've never done anything criminal, I did things as an adolescent that I regretted later, and I KNOW I can't be alone in that statement. I cannot believe there is anyone out there who think throught the implications of every single action they ever take; if there is, they must be quite dull!

To all those of you who seem to be glad that that this boy died, would you advocate the death penalty as punishment for perpetrators of similar offences? I wouldn't think so.

The crux of the matter is that a young man has lost his life becuase he did something stupid; that makes me feel sad for him and his family. I also feel very sorry for those people who can't find the compassion to share my feelings.

K x

Think again Kristian, try selfish, dangerous, thoughtless, irresponsible, damaging, mindless, retarded just for a strart.

All of those descriptions carry further and heavy implications, rather than being foolish!

evil • deeply immoral and malevolent. Arguable!

Not thinking about the implications is part of the problem here, I personally consider many of my actions that affect other people certainly.

You will find few people who call me dull, looks like a pretty stupid thing to write.

Glad the boy is dead? no

Offering as much compassion as he showed others? yes

The crux of the matter seems to me that people have not wished the idiot/s dead, more like don`t really give a damn.

I feel very sorry for people who pass judgement on others from only a few lines of text. You could say it were slightly foolish.

Originally posted by venger
Not thinking about the implications is part of the problem here, I personally consider many of my actions that affect other people certainly.

You will find few people who call me dull, looks like a pretty stupid thing to write.

That's not what I said; I said nobody thinks through every action they ever take; quite different I'm sure you'll agree!

Originally posted by venger
evil • deeply immoral and malevolent. Arguable!

I don't agree.

Originally posted by venger
Offering as much compassion as he showed others? yes

I don't think this makes sense at all. Compassion is not shown to others because of what they have or haven't done for you.

As if anything was ever going to change by an event like that.

People die everyday, different events effect people differently.

Stabbing in Firth Park, Hillsborough, where next?

We make many decisions daily, most of us like to think we endeavour to make the right ones.

Shouldn't this be merged with this? (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=30832)

Originally posted by dollypeg
I've just come back from my daughters who lives a few yards from where the 14 year old boy died last Sunday and I think we should not be surprised to hear of a similar tragedy in the not too distant future.

The usual gang of yobs were on Nethershire shops and a group of them wre racing about in a white car doing handbrake turns etc. whilst another lad on a yellow motorbike raced along side of them. A man passing by asked them if they hadn't learnt anything from last week and he just received a torrent of foul mouthed abuse.

This unhappy event reminds me of a situation 2 or 3 years ago at Herdings bus terminus which is a haven for all the bored youths etc etc in which a lad was run over and killed as a result of running alongside a moving bus trying to pull out the emergency engine stop button did this deter them did it hell the very next night there were more than ever of them doing the self same thing and even uttering threats to kill the drivers up there.

Originally posted by Kristian
That's not what I said; I said nobody thinks through every action they ever take; quite different I'm sure you'll agree!



I don't agree.



I don't think this makes sense at all. Compassion is not shown to others because of what they have or haven't done for you.

Surely you must have considered your opinions, actions, beliefs.

It is the fabric of who you are!

Whether you agree or not about being able to argue about being acting evily or not is non starter, it is a fact!

So you do not think these boys lacked compassion in their actions, no?

compassion • sympathetic pity and concern for the sufferings or misfortunes of others.

Have a word!

Originally posted by Kristian
Shouldn't this be merged with this? (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=30832)

No.

Originally posted by venger
No.

It's cold at the North Pole. Venger?

I'm sure some of your kind words will be a great comfort to the bereaved family should they stumble across this forum.

Originally posted by venger
Surely you must have considered your opinions, actions, beliefs.

It is the fabric of who you are!

Whether you agree or not about being able to argue about being acting evily or not is non starter, it is a fact!

So you do not think these boys lacked compassion in their actions, no?

compassion • sympathetic pity and concern for the sufferings or misfortunes of others.

Have a word!

Venger,

You seem to be misinterpreting and misunderstanding everything I'm saying. Of course I have considered my opinions and actions; I certainly couldn't say I have considered ALL of them i.e. 100%, and neither can anyone else. This seems to be a point you continually miss.

Where did I say I didn't think the boys lacked compassion? Stop misquoting me, and pay attention!

Originally posted by nick2
I'm sure some of your kind words will be a great comfort to the bereaved family should they stumble across this forum.

I don't think they even care :(

K x

Threads merged.

And while I'm at it, my usual litany of keep to the topic and please don't turn this in to a slanging match.

There endeth the first lesson... :)

Originally posted by JoePritchard


Threads merged.



Thanks Joe, it was getting confusing!

K x

I work with young people - several of whom knew the boy that died and his brother. They are devastated by his death. One positive thing to come out of this tragedy is that young people in that area have now learned in the hardest possible way of the dangers of 'joyriding'. I have been told that lessons have been learnt and that 'no-one is thinking of doing that anymore'.

I realise most people understand consequences from an early age and know the difference from right and wrong and the effects that their behaviour will have on others. For some though, it unfortunately takes something like this to happen to make them think.

My sympathies go out to the boys' family and friends. Hopefully lessons can continue to be learnt and young people will think twice before TWOCing a car.

I hope your right chickmonk and that the other people who find stealing cars fun have learned something, but going by dollypeg's post it seems that they are at it again. People who commit crime don't expect to get caught, people who smoke don't expect to die from it, people who steal cars don't expect either to happen, yet manage to occupy space in both categories! I sadly doubt that many of the people who commit such crimes and new the boy will stop; they just think it won't happen to them.

Originally posted by Kristian


I don't think this makes sense at all. Compassion is not shown to others because of what they have or haven't done for you.

I repeat:

compassion • sympathetic pity and concern for the sufferings or misfortunes of others.

Like stealing someones car you, to drive eratically through a built up, well populated residential area of a city.

At no point have I mis-quoted you Christian, we just have very different opinions on this matter.

I think that we have different dfeinitions for some words in the English language also.

These boys not only demonstrated a lack of respect for the law, someones elses property and their neighberhood.

They put themselves and others in grave potential danger with no regard for anything other than a quick free thrill, at the expense of others.

Emergency services.

Motoring costs.

People safety.

Damages etc.

They demonstrated no COMPASSION and not only neglectd what some of us find important, they trampled all over it metaphorically speaking.

Someone paid the price for their highly risky, illegal and damaging actions, and we are meant to be sorry for what was entirely self-induced?

For the record, I live in Sheffield.

Own a lovely classic convertible car and a very new on/off road motorcyle which I enjoy very much, which are both expensive to insure, Oh I used real money to obtain them.

I do not want them pinching!

I could go on, but really do not think it is worth the time.

Just to repeat:

Glad the boy is dead? no

Offering as much compassion as he demonstrated? yes

Originally posted by Kristian
Thanks Joe, it was getting confusing!

K x

Certainly was lost me for a bit but that doen't take much!

Kristian, it seems no one fully reads your posts before commenting on them. They only see certain words like sympathy, compassion, etc. Then it is automitically assumed you are in favour of joyrididng and such activities.

Just out of curiosity Kristian, The last time the US invaded Iraq:

150,000 men women and children were killed

17 US soldiers were killed

This time, the picture is no prettier.

The current invasion is illegal, how do you feel about these avoidable losses of life?

Soldiers who VOLUNTEER to risk their lives

Many helpless casualties and fatalities of an illegal war that will never be over, but the US will have their fun (and oil)

Venger,

I'm tired of arguing with you, because you don't seem to listen to anything I'm saying.

You have misinterpreted me and misquoted me on this thread; if you have time go back and check. I doubt you will have time, as you seem to have little enough time to read my posts in the first place before commenting.

Finally, what on earth are you bringing the Iraq war into this thread for? Have you been drinking? Are you trying to just stir up more trouble, or do you somehow feel this is relevant in any way?

K x

P.S. At no point have I mis-quoted you Christian I don't know whether this was a deliberate mistake or not, but it made me chuckle!

Deliberate mistake, yes because you are sounding like a member of the `God Squad`.

I have read through the posts again and think that your opinions differ from mine and your comments and arguments are weak.

The only thing I can see how you thought I mis-understood what you wote is:


Originally posted by Kristian
I cannot believe there is anyone out there who think throught the implications of every single action they ever take; if there is, they must be quite dull!


K x

... and I replied to that by suggesting that surely we should consider immediate implications most importantly for those around us!

You give the impression that jumping in to a stolen car with your mates and tearing up the neighberhood is something that you could easily do without considering the implications.

You have not remarked to any of my comments or questions coherently, just replied with CRITICISMS and weak mutterings.

The inclusion of the situation in Iraq was an analogical question to see how strongly you believe in `pro-life` something else not answered but criticised. *yawn* Oh and you insinuated that I was drunk also. Sorry not this afternoon.

Originally posted by venger


Just to repeat:

Glad the boy is dead? no

Offering as much compassion as he demonstrated? yes

By the way, I never suggested that you said the boys lacked compassion because I said it.

So really struggling to find me misquoting you.

To All of you who sympathise with the boys family:
Besides the fact that their son knicked a car,went joy riding and ended up killing another of their sons,a few years ago the same family lost ANOTHER of their children....killed by a Drugs Overdose!!!
Now stop me if ya want but surely this brings into question the way that the parents have brought up their children!
Or am i just being harsh???

Some of you need to be very careful what you say, alot of the comments are here are ridiculous. The boy was my friends younger brother, I'm sure if he took a look on here he'd also be outraged at your response.

GazB

if he was your friends younger brother, was he the driver??? If so how does he feel (or if not him then presume a different brother) about his actions resulting in the death of one of his loved ones.

Does this mean the person will not steal any more cars? If so that is the only good that will come out it

the funeral was yesterday i think

Originally posted by serapis
A 14 year old boy died when the stolen car they were travelling in crashed into a tree...

OMG ..... Is the tree ok?

Forgive me for being a little rash.. but if I saw you in the street I'd spit in your face like the piece of scum you are.

Originally posted by GazB
Forgive me for being a little rash.. but if I saw you in the street I'd spit in your face like the piece of scum you are.

And if most of the forum saw the kid who was driving they would spit in his face like the piece of scum HE is!!!!

Originally posted by GazB
Some of you need to be very careful what you say, alot of the comments are here are ridiculous. The boy was my friends younger brother, I'm sure if he took a look on here he'd also be outraged at your response.

GazB

Well apparently the driver was the boy's brother... is he your mate? It seems he only very narrowly missed murdering an innocent family.

Oi! GazB, Coopster!

Bitching at each other won't change what happened to this boy, nor will it bring him back! I think I've made my views clear on this topic. Let's all learn, and move on. Whichever way you look at it, it's sad that another human life has been lost needlessly. :(

K x

OK....calm down people.

As Kristian says this isn't going to bring anyone back.

Cheers

Joe

We've all had our say on this subject and our opimions differ. but lets now try and let this child,( because at 14 years he was a child) rest in peace.

Dollypeg,

Sounds very sensible.

I'll lock it now. I think teh debate has run it's course and it's time to move on.

If anyone wants to create a general thread about TWOCing, joyriding, whatever then please feel free to do so.

Thanks all,

Joe