http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4295111.stm

The teenage girl had been sentenced to 100 lashes for having sex out of wedlock.

The court refused to believe that she was kidnapped and raped and sentenced her to 100 lashes because her claims could have led the men involved to receive the death penalty.

The teenage men were given the punishment of 40 lashes each.

So much for womens rights eh? :mad:

Why is it that girls over 9 can face the death penalty but boys have to be over 16?

That's so sooo sad. Poor beggar.

K x

That's not sad - it's barbaric.


Can any of you clever people on the forum find out an email addy for the Iran Embassy? I want to mail them to say how I feel about this "justice" ... not that it'll change anything but would make me feel a lot better.

Originally posted by rubydazzler
That's not sad - it's barbaric.


Can any of you clever people on the forum find out an email addy for the Iran Embassy? I want to mail them to say how I feel about this "justice" ... not that it'll change anything but would make me feel a lot better.

Try this one Rube me owd love INFO@IRAN-EMBASSY.ORG.UK

She was dealt with quite leniently.

http://www.amnesty.org.uk/deliver/document/15557.html

There have been cases of women being buried up to their necks and stoned to death for similar offences.

But why worry...god rules - OK ? ;)

This sort of thing wants stamping out.

It almost justifies an American invasion.

Dont worry when sharia law and all the rest come here you will see many more cases like this.
Ofcourse it is wrong but you wont be able to stop it,it's their way of doing things.

Originally posted by royjames
Dont worry when sharia law and all the rest come here you will see many more cases like this.
Ofcourse it is wrong but you wont be able to stop it,it's their way of doing things.

When I saw that your name was the most recent post on here I knew your post would be something along these lines :loopy:

Originally posted by Sam Miguel
It almost justifies an American invasion.

Whoa, steady on there!

Originally posted by royjames
Dont worry when sharia law and all the rest come here you will see many more cases like this.
Ofcourse it is wrong but you wont be able to stop it,it's their way of doing things.

Yawn :rolleyes:

yes it is a sad stste of affairs and very unjust to that lady in question, having said that these extreme religions are the same. they call themselves by whatever name, blow up folk , beat people with sticks even chop of hands, wellif thats religion and religious law u can keep it.

Originally posted by DanSumption
Whoa, steady on there!

Probably a bit strong, there.

Sorry.

But it's a shocking thing to be happening in this day and age and we should put pressure on countries like Iran to cease this mindless cruelty.

theyl never change sam miguel, they cant for the simple reasonthat they think its normal. you only have to listen to some of there comments ,there that extreme they almost border on maddness.

If they won't change, they will have to be forced eventually. This sort of thing cannot be allowed to continue.

Originally posted by Sam Miguel
If they won't change, they will have to be forced eventually. This sort of thing cannot be allowed to continue. yes i agree, but then you enter the invasion stage of things, which in irans case i agree. unfortunately most of the british empire dont.

Yet another example of Islam the religion of peace then.

oh come on, we were doing this kind of thing just a few hundred years ago. witch burning anyone?

Exactly,...........that was hundreds of years ago!

Sounds like they're stuck in the dark ages to me. :roll:

Originally posted by owdlad
Try this one Rube me owd love INFO@IRAN-EMBASSY.ORG.UK

thanks owdlad, I've sent the mail - now wondering if I'll get the speedy response I've asked for ...

kathythebean - just because WE once did terrible things in the name of religion and superstition ... doesn't mean it's right or proper ... they did see the error of their ways eventually.

Hopefully, nothing like this will ever happen to us as women ... but rape cases even in this country are problematical as to the torture that the victim goes through. And life can change in the blink of an eye sometimes. Witness the women of Afghanistan going from a fairly unrestricted life to the burqa in the space of 10 or 15 years. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance....

oh, and Roy, please dont take my above comment as yet another chance to tout the horrors of multi-culturalism in the UK, because it's not meant to as such.

No of course, I'm sorry. I was just being silly.

Not all iranians are like this. My friend has an iranian dad, he is great.

Also, had she been an asylum seeker here, royjames etc would have been baying for her deportation, just as the home office is trying to deport my friends dad. There is no time for examining individual cases when theres an election coming and the numbers have to drop. It makes me sick.

My point about us burning witches is that an invasion would not have changed our minds. Only time and reason managed that.

And if we are going to start on other countries for their human rights record, why start with Iran where the problem is relatively small, and not with China, where the problem is endemic.

the thing is Phan - the reason we're talking about Iran and not China is that a report about a specific case was brought to our attention here.

I've mailed the Ambassador for Iran and asked if the report is correct and if so, if he would attempt to explain to me why there is such a disparity in the punishments and ages of responsibility etc.

I'm not suggesting that my input will have the slightest effect but as kathythebean just pointed out, time and reason do alter things eventually. The more people who point out that these things are not acceptable, the more likely things are to change?

We can only hope that they will, without the West feeling the need to go into another country and officiously try to set them straight (can't do the wry face icon)

Originally posted by kathythebean
oh come on, we were doing this kind of thing just a few hundred years ago. witch burning anyone?

It's not a few hundred years ago.

she must be insane to file a case to start with, not that she shouldn't have the right to ask for justice, but in Iran? I mean come on..what was she thinking? :confused:
also I have great respect for the choice the judge has made, I prefer for her to get the 100 lashes than for the young boys to get the death sentence, not that any of it is justified but eh..

I can't believe i just read that ...

So you'd PREFER a young girl to get a 100 lashes ... even though it's not justified ... just so that two irresponsible men can get off more lightly ...

so when she dies because her body cant take the punishment - will that be ok - eh?

Originally posted by rubydazzler
I can't believe i just read that ...

So you'd PREFER a young girl to get a 100 lashes ... even though it's not justified ... just so that two irresponsible men can get off more lightly ...

so when she dies because her body cant take the punishment - will that be ok - eh?

I'm sorry, I didn't mean it that way

but if u had to make a choice between killing 2 young teenage boys or giving her the 100 lashes what would u choose?
(I didn't think for one moment she could die as a result, and I don't think she will) but I think under those circumstances the judge made the best choice (not that there is a good one).

again I repeat, what was she thinking filing that case to start with, I'm not sure she would've lived happily ever after had she had them killed.

Originally posted by Kristian
Yawn :rolleyes:


This topic was answeredwith just one word YAWN, though we couldn't do that ? I can always tell when Phans on, if it suits him he leaves it in, he must have added ROLLEYES, it wasn't there to begin with.

Originally posted by poppins
This topic was answeredwith just one word YAWN, though we couldn't do that ? I can always tell when Phans on, if it suits him he leaves it in, he must have added ROLLEYES, it wasn't there to begin with.

My original post has not been edited, and has not been changed, so how you came to this bizarre conclusion is beyond me! Yawn :rolleyes:

The reason I only posted one word and an emoticon was because that's all I felt it needed, and added to the conversation; Phan clearly agreed!

Originally posted by Kristian
My original post has not been edited, and has not been changed, so how you came to this bizarre conclusion is beyond me! Yawn :rolleyes:

The reason I only posted one word and an emoticon was because that's all I felt it needed, and added to the conversation; Phan clearly agreed!


See i knew Phan was on duty, only he would let an answer like that pass if he didn't agree with the other person.

Originally posted by poppins
See i knew Phan was on duty, only he would let an answer like that pass if he didn't agree with the other person.

What was wrong with my answer? Sorry, I'm not with? :huh:

K x

Originally posted by Kristian
What was wrong with my answer? Sorry, I'm not with? :huh:

K x

Nothing wrong at all with your one word answer Kristian, also why does t020 think your a male ? i didn't think so, was he right ?

Originally posted by poppins
Nothing wrong at all with your one word answer Kristian, also why does t020 think your a male ? i didn't think so, was he right ?

He's right. I am a man. Most definately.

Is the avatar confusing? It's Bree from Desperate Housewives! I thought you would know abaout her considering your location! The show is on ABC on Sunday nights!

K x

Originally posted by Sam Miguel
This sort of thing wants stamping out.

It almost justifies an American invasion.

Which might be the reason propoganda like this story is circulated!

OK barbaric yes, but read the report, she didn’t get the whole 100 lashes for having sex, it was more to do with the false allegations, which could have led to others getting a death sentence.

From the above report.
The girl was sentenced to 100 lashes because her accusations of rape and kidnap could have landed her partners a death penalty, the Tehran judge said.

The Iran paper quotes the girl, who has not been named, as confessing:
"I trusted one of these young men, whom I got to know by phone, and went to his place.”
"But because he betrayed me, I filed the case against him and his friend out of revenge."

Originally posted by t020
Yet another example of Islam the religion of peace then.

So by your logic, the millions of Muslims who live perfectly peaceful lives on our shores are actively defying their religion's teachings.

Hmm.

Originally posted by Greenback
So by your logic, the millions of Muslims who live perfectly peaceful lives on our shores are actively defying their religion's teachings.

Hmm.

No, but if they truly adhered to the teachings of their religion they would find this kind of punishment as being just and acceptable. Since they live over here they have inherited some western values too, and probably find it barbaric and abhorrent.

poppins, have a word with yourself please.

Originally posted by venger
poppins, have a word with yourself please.


Who might you be ? never heard of you, sorry.

Originally posted by foo_fighter
OK barbaric yes, but read the report, she didn’t get the whole 100 lashes for having sex, it was more to do with the false allegations, which could have led to others getting a death sentence.

foo fighter - listen to yourself ... have you any idea what a HUNDRED lashes is like, what it would do to your body? It's not a gentle tickling with a bit of string, you know. If you pass out, or the damage is too great, they just wait until you recover and bring you back again to face the rest of the number. This is a young girl we're talking about here.

The allegations were judged to be false, ok ... but it says in the report that the one she knew betrayed her trust by persuading her to meet him and then having his friend there as well ... i think we can all guess the scenario after that ... I don't care if everyone else in the world thinks justice has been done ... i will never agree that it's right.

Sharia law is archaic, starkly unfair and barbaric. Those who uphold such "laws" should be called to account.

Originally posted by Kristian
He's right. I am a man. Most definately.

Is the avatar confusing? It's Bree from Desperate Housewives! I thought you would know abaout her considering your location! The show is on ABC on Sunday nights!

K x

i always thought it was a pic of the woman off brookside who had a big bingo win and went off the rails

at least i can sleep better now that mystery's been solved:)

Originally posted by t020
No, but if they truly adhered to the teachings of their religion they would find this kind of punishment as being just and acceptable. Since they live over here they have inherited some western values too, and probably find it barbaric and abhorrent.

So are you saying that only Muslims that live in Britain and have inherited some of our values would find this womans treatment unacceptable?

Sorry, but that is complete b*11*x.

The majority of Middle Eastern countries do not have Sharia law - Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon to name a few.

There are plenty of muslims in the world (the majority) that don't need to inherit western values to know how to live in a civilized way.

What you have said is totally arrogant.

Originally posted by rubydazzler
foo fighter - listen to yourself ... have you any idea what a HUNDRED lashes is like, what it would do to your body? It's not a gentle tickling with a bit of string, you know. If you pass out, or the damage is too great, they just wait until you recover and bring you back again to face the rest of the number. This is a young girl we're talking about here.

The allegations were judged to be false, ok ... but it says in the report that the one she knew betrayed her trust by persuading her to meet him and then having his friend there as well ... i think we can all guess the scenario after that ... I don't care if everyone else in the world thinks justice has been done ... i will never agree that it's right.
Ruby, did you notice where I said I thought the punishment was barbaric, good, next point...

...the issue I was making is that this isn't some inocent, she tried (falsely) to get two people the death sentence (or put bluntly, killed) to avoid 30 to 40 lashes herself (and no I'm no expert on this level of punishment either, are you?).

To be clear, I do not agree with her punishment, but would people stop making out she got this sentence just for having sex...

...please.

Well done, sham, you're completely right. UNDERSTANDING - its the name of the game.

Originally posted by sham71
So are you saying that only Muslims that live in Britain and have inherited some of our values would find this womans treatment unacceptable?

Sorry, but that is complete b*11*x.

The majority of Middle Eastern countries do not have Sharia law - Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon to name a few.

There are plenty of muslims in the world (the majority) that don't need to inherit western values to know how to live in a civilized way.

What you have said is totally arrogant.

I never said that ALL middle-eastern countries subscribe to Sharia law. The point about muslims in THIS country was in response to Greenback's comments - please follow the entire thread through in future before making damning assumptions.

Originally posted by t020
Yet another example of Islam the religion of peace then.

Well, this looks like a pretty damning generalisation.
Why would you put this unless you had an inbuilt superiority complex?
You come across as just looking for an excuse to put something inflammatory.

Originally posted by foo_fighter
Ruby, did you notice where I said I thought the punishment was barbaric, good, next point...
...the issue I was making is that this isn't some inocent, she tried (falsely) to get two people the death sentence (or put bluntly, killed) to avoid 30 to 40 lashes herself (and no I'm no expert on this level of punishment either, are you?).
To be clear, I do not agree with her punishment, but would people stop making out she got this sentence just for having sex......please.

i haven't been lashed myself, no ... i once had the cane at school, six strokes, at the full strength of a big fat male teacher's arm ... i was badly bruised and cut, and ill for a couple of days after that ... and no it didn't do me any good at all before anyone asks :) but i have seen video footage and heard first hand accounts about lashings ... it's not something i'd want to ever experience.

I'm not going to discuss this any further, I've not read anything that has changed my view so I'll continue to think what I think about the trial and sentencing - based on my experience and knowledge of what sometimes happens even in this country .. I suppose as someone else said earlier in the thread .. what was she thinking to even complain ...

Originally posted by foo_fighter

...the issue I was making is that this isn't some inocent, she tried (falsely) to get two people the death sentence (or put bluntly, killed) to avoid 30 to 40 lashes herself (and no I'm no expert on this level of punishment either, are you?).

To be clear, I do not agree with her punishment, but would people stop making out she got this sentence just for having sex...


I'm not sure they were actually "false" allegations, I believe the judge made out as if they were to protect the boys from death penalty....."The girl was sentenced to 100 lashes because her accusations of rape and kidnap could have landed her partners a death penalty, the Tehran judge said." no where has it been said "her false accusations", it's just that the judge had to choose between giving her 100 lashes or sentencing the kids with death penalty.....I think.

I still don't understand why girls over 9 can face the death penalty but boys boys after be over 16?

Originally posted by rubydazzler
.. what was she thinking to even complain ...

"revenge", that's what she was thinking, which is pretty understandable in her case, was unfortunately looking for it in the wrong place though

Originally posted by sham71
Well, this looks like a pretty damning generalisation.
Why would you put this unless you had an inbuilt superiority complex?
You come across as just looking for an excuse to put something inflammatory.


It's a skill he has Sham. If theres an excuse to have a go at the muslim religion or people in a negative way - he's straight in there.

I dread the day a muslim moves in next door to him in that garden of Eden called Ecclesall.

Originally posted by sham71
Well, this looks like a pretty damning generalisation.
Why would you put this unless you had an inbuilt superiority complex?
You come across as just looking for an excuse to put something inflammatory.

No, that's how you choose to interpret it.

Originally posted by t020
No, that's how you choose to interpret it.

It is something you are very good at though t020 :thumbsup:

Originally posted by t020
No, that's how you choose to interpret it.

You don't leave many other avenues of interpretation open, to be fair. Your intense dislike of those who are different from you is transparent in many of your posts.

Just being devils advocate, I suppose, but what if we didn't blame all muslims for this atrocity, but instead we blamed all men? Then how would you feel? No doubt you would stand protesting, saying, hang on, I never lashed anyone, I wouldn't let this kind of thing happen, how can you blame me for something thats happened in iran, just cos Im a bloke and the people that gave her this punishment were blokes in a male dominated society?

Then take a few minutes to reflect on how this is NO different to blaming british or american muslims for this atrocity? or for 9/11 or for anything else thats Nothing To Do With Them.

Originally posted by Lestat
I dread the day a muslim moves in next door to him in that garden of Eden called Ecclesall.

Apart from Naseem of course with his nice flashy cars and nice white wife. Passes the Ecclesall test that does.

Originally posted by Lestat
It's a skill he has Sham. If theres an excuse to have a go at the muslim religion or people in a negative way - he's straight in there.


Someone's got to try to even the balance on this thing. With some of the extreme left posters on here, one would be inclined to believe the sun shone out of their collective proverbial.

Originally posted by t020
Someone's got to try to even the balance on this thing. With some of the extreme left posters on here, one would be inclined to believe the sun shone out of their collective proverbial.

Just to clarify: do you agree with the sentence the girl is receiving? And why is it left-winged to disagree with what is a barbaric and brutal punishment?

Originally posted by JonJParr
Just to clarify: do you agree with the sentence the girl is receiving? And why is it left-winged to disagree with what is a barbaric and brutal punishment?

To clarify: the sentence is absolutely abhorrent (I thought I'd made this clear earlier in the thread but apologies if I didn't). The reference to lefties was aimed at those users on this forum who, no matter what happens, always try to paint Islam in the best light possible when this is often not the case - it's an outdated religion and it's principles often directly contradict those values we hold in the Western, civilised world.

Originally posted by t020
To clarify: the sentence is absolutely abhorrent (I thought I'd made this clear earlier in the thread but apologies if I didn't). The reference to lefties was aimed at those users on this forum who, no matter what happens, always try to paint Islam in the best light possible when this is often not the case - it's an outdated religion and it's principles often directly contradict those values we hold in the Western, civilised world.

I agree about this sentence.

As to your views on Islam in general, I would add much like christianity.

Originally posted by Cyclone

As to your views on Islam in general, I would add much like christianity.

So would I, but the difference being (on this forum and society in general) that Christianity is already subject to ridicule and general negativity, but Islam seems to be above such criticism because people are afraid of being branded 'racist', even though religion and race are entirely separate issues. On the other hand, some people will defend it purely to appear politically correct (whilst at the same time will happily deride Christianity).

I'd be quite happy to go on record as saying that i find all religion to be an anachronism left over from a time that is now passing. The sooner it shrivels up and dies the better.

Originally posted by Cyclone
I'd be quite happy to go on record as saying that i find all religion to be an anachronism left over from a time that is now passing. The sooner it shrivels up and dies the better.

I couldn't agree more.

Originally posted by Cyclone
I'd be quite happy to go on record as saying that i find all religion to be an anachronism left over from a time that is now passing. The sooner it shrivels up and dies the better.
Add another to the list.

Originally posted by foo_fighter
Add another to the list.

foo-fighter,
Would love to see your list please, what kind of list are you talking about, lets see it!

Originally posted by t020
So would I, but the difference being (on this forum and society in general) that Christianity is already subject to ridicule and general negativity, but Islam seems to be above such criticism because people are afraid of being branded 'racist', even though religion and race are entirely separate issues. On the other hand, some people will defend it purely to appear politically correct (whilst at the same time will happily deride Christianity).

Well said! That just about sums it up :thumbsup:

Originally posted by poppins
foo-fighter,
Would love to see your list please, what kind of list are you talking about, lets see it!

is this a trick question, poppins? As foo-fighter posted Cylclone's quote i should think he means he wants to be added to the list that agrees with Cyclone's statement above ... the list that includes to020 and me too ...

Originally posted by rubydazzler
As foo-fighter posted Cylclone's quote i should think he means he wants to be added to the list that agrees with Cyclone's statement above ... the list that includes to020 and me too ...
:thumbsup: Spot on ruby.