After seeing the article on Newsnight last night 24/02 I went to bed feeling physically sick. The subject covered can be seen here (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4294417.stm)

I was appaled that the authorities in this country can turn a blind eye to the physical abuse inflicted on young children from the African contingent in our society.

Why and how can this be?

There should be no place in society for people like these.

How many of you saw this or knew that these disgusting things happen?

Mo, as appalling as this is, I don't see why it is worse that it happens in the UK, as opposed to overseas; it's still a kiddie being hurt regardless of location.

More needs to be done with regards to re-education of these communities; despite the outcome, they are not intentionally hurting their kids, they see it as a good thing based upon their beliefs.

I want to make it quite clear that I don't find this acceptable; however, I think it's worse that some parents from all walks of life beat their kids for fun. :sad:

K x

Originally posted by Kristian
Mo, as appalling as this is, I don't see why it is worse that it happens in the UK, as opposed to overseas; it's still a kiddie being hurt regardless of location.

More needs to be done with regards to re-education of these communities; despite the outcome, they are not intentionally hurting their kids, they see it as a good thing based upon their beliefs.

I want to make it quite clear that I don't find this acceptable; however, I think it's worse that some parents from all walks of life beat their kids for fun. :sad:

K x

Thank you for taking the time to reply to this post Kristian. It saddens me that such an horrifc topic has only attracted 1 reply. I suppose that partly explains why it is going on for the most unchallenged, because people don't care.

They prefer to discuss Bladeschat, 5 reasons why ugc sucks and even the colour of your a*se in preference. Oh and lets not forget the old BNP chestnut- pages of drivel by self appointed clever dicks attacking members for their lack of intellect and vice-versa. I despair. :confused:

To address some of your points Kristian neither do I think that it is any worse for happening in this country but we can have some influence over the laws here whereas we can't in their home countries.

We are rightly fighting for the protection of children in our society to the point where the government was considering totally banning the use of slapping and then the establishment turns a blind eye to this. If you had seen those children being beaten and dragged across the floor I am sure that you too would have been as enraged as me.

They don't need educating at all they need arresting.

good post, personally i thinkpeople are concerned but its such an appaling thing that peopl especially with kids dont really want to think about it. like you said the people who commit these acts should be flogged at least. it seems to me tho that the people who commit these terrible offences recieve a lot more help than the victims. that rule applys to a lot of crimes but it shows the weakness in our judicial and goverment laws.

Mo, I am really surprised that this thread has received such little response too; perhaps everyone was in the pub last night? :P

It's clear that you're passionate about the issue of child abuse, and rightly so. Child abuse is one of the many issues that saddens me, and I therefore hold a strong opinion about. I didn't see the programme you refer to because I didn't know it was being shown; in fairness, If I had known, I wouldn't have watched. Programmes like that upset me terribly, I can't even watch the NSPCC adverts because they make me cry.

Maybe if I had have seen the programme that you did, I would want these people arrested too. However, I can't help feeling sorry for them that they find their behavoiur acceptable because of their misguided values and beliefs.

The one thing that we clearly agree upon is that the situation MUST stop. How the police / social services etc do this I don't care. If it means arresting them, then so be it. I still believe that in this case that re-education of these people is key to preventing abuse long-term.

K x

I am apalled. It should not happen. Ever.
But hey welcome to PC Liberal Britain;
Multicultural Celebrationism - welcoming the 'rich diversity' that comes with imigration.
You are not allowed to change their culture - it's racist you know.

Or that's what we're told isn't it?:loopy:

Originally posted by Don_Kiddick
I am apalled. It should not happen. Ever.
But hey welcome to PC Liberal Britain;
Multicultural Celebrationism - welcoming the 'rich diversity' that comes with imigration.
You are not allowed to change their culture - it's racist you know.

Or that's what we're told isn't it?:loopy:

There's a big difference between wecoming diversity, and allowing illegal practices Don!

A similar thing to this (IMO) is female circumcision; there are now severe penalties for parents and relatives arranging this, and community workers have been trained to spot telltale signs that a family might be planning this!

I agree it shouldn't happen, ever. However, it will take time to re-educate and punish.

K x

Hi Mo,

Yes, of course it's bad and of course it shouldn't happen. Doesn't matter what the background, race, colour or creed of the kids involved. That's what we have police and social services for, at least in theory.

Having said that, and playing Devil's Advocate, people tend to contribute to threads they feel they can contribute sensibly to, or have a laugh about, or whatever. It doesn't make them bad or uncaring people.

Quite often all we can do is empathise with the victims or feel anger at the perpetrators. What we might also do is take that empathy and anger and, if we feel strongly enough about it, take it to our elected representatives and start demanding change.

Joe

I hate any kind of abuse and am often disgusted after learning of the way some people are treated. I am a supporter of the NSPCC's full stop campaign and firmly believe that our laws should apply to all and sundry as would be the case for us if we lived in foreign climes.
Children are the future and should be protected from harm - if within our borders then our laws should apply.


There is another thread on here that I recently read about how a girl received 100 lashes in Iran for her involvement in some sex act/crime yet the boys concerned only received 30/40 lashes. Suppose that girl was a non-Iranian - what would her punishment have been?

Originally posted by tiffy
I hate any kind of abuse and am often disgusted after learning of the way some people are treated. I am a supporter of the NSPCC's full stop campaign and firmly believe that our laws should apply to all and sundry as would be the case for us if we lived in foreign climes.
Children are the future and should be protected from harm - if within our borders then our laws should apply.


There is another thread on here that I recently read about how a girl received 100 lashes in Iran for her involvement in some sex act/crime yet the boys concerned only received 30/40 lashes. Suppose that girl was a non-Iranian - what would her punishment have been?

Do you mean if she was a non-Iranian, and had committed that 'crime' in Iran, or if the crime was committed here for example?

K x

Sorry - yes I meant a non-Iranian and in Iran

Originally posted by Don_Kiddick

Multicultural Celebrationism - welcoming the 'rich diversity' that comes with imigration.
You are not allowed to change their culture - it's racist you know.

Or that's what we're told isn't it?

I couldn't find anyone arguing that this horrific practice shouldn’t be stopped on cultural grounds, either in this article or on the thread. Why have you made this comment?

Originally posted by tiffy
Sorry - yes I meant a non-Iranian and in Iran

Hmmm - I don't know. I wonder whether it would be dealt with any differently? Anyone know?

K x