Did anyone see Jamie Oliver last night. Man, can he swear!

Is it put on for the cameras, is it natural, or is it just a normal southern thing?

Originally posted by Sam Miguel
Did anyone see Jamie Oliver last night. Man, can he swear!

Is it put on for the cameras, is it natural, or is it just a normal southern thing?

Perhaps he feels it's part of the job description... He may be trying to give Gordon Ramsey a run for his money...

He could kill two birds with one stone and teach cookery and advanced swearing at the same time.

The man has talent.

I cannot abide the vulgar, whelk-guzzling oaf. What particularly disgusts me, is the way he cannot keep his foul tongue in his mouth. What a contrast to gorgeous, pouting, sultry Nigella Lawson, who, with a toss of her mane and a flash of those dark, dark eyes, can make even tripe and cow heel sound like an erotic adventure. How I would like to spank her soundly with a huge spoon.

I've noticed one or two of these 'chef types' think it's perfectly acceptable to swear like an inbred trucker [apoligies to truck drivers] Haven't seen Jamie in action but if like some of his counterparts he swears at his staff then I think he's even more of a prat than I thought he was before. I can remember my boss who had a volatile temper trying to swear loudly at me and i simply turned and walked away, as far as I'm conceerned that is bullying and should never never happen.

I agree, Wallbuilder. I would love to see someone set about Gordon Ramsay. I personally would find it almost impossible to restrain myself, if I were an unfortunate employee of his. He is a loutish bully, if ever there was one.

I am straying from the world of cookery here, but recent tv footage of the "musical entertainer" Jay Kay [of Jamiroqui] bullying and screaming at a photographer, only to receive his comeuppance in the form of a headbutt to the nose, caused great pleasure. I wish someone would do the same to Ramsay. Bring back the Galloping Gourmet [who?!]...

Originally posted by Sam Miguel
Did anyone see Jamie Oliver last night. Man, can he swear!

Is it put on for the cameras, is it natural, or is it just a normal southern thing?

haha I went to the same school as Jamie Oliver in Essex and it is definitely to do with his background methinks!!! Not so much Southern, but definitely Essex!!! I went back down to visit a few weeks and found myself in the pub in the middle of a vinnie jones-esque conversation containing the likes of "fackin hell john" and "shut up you fackin cant".

lol damn funny

Originally posted by timo
I am straying from the world of cookery here, but recent tv footage of the "musical entertainer" Jay Kay [of Jamiroqui] bullying and screaming at a photographer, only to receive his comeuppance in the form of a headbutt to the nose, caused great pleasure. I wish someone would do the same to Ramsay. Bring back the Galloping Gourmet [who?!]...

This is ridiculous! So you think it is ok for the reporter to hound Jay Kay then when he is told to p*ss off the reporter head butts him!?! But Jamie Oliver says the 'f' word a couple of times to an old hag dinner lady that just kept getting louder (Not His Kitchen Staff) and louder and thats an outrage????

I watched the Jamie Oliver School Dinners and i kept thinking i can almost hear the old ladies sat in thier armchairs at home grumbling bout his language. But then i thought good on him. He is angry at the crap that is being fed to children in schools and the 37pence per meal budget he was given. If i had children, as does Jamie Oliver, i too would be f ing and blinding at this!

It is difficult to tell from a tv screen, but the reporter did not appear to be hounding, or abusing Kay. Kay appeared to be extremely aggressive and drunkenly out of control. He ignored the reporter's attempts to calm the situation, and threateningly came within inches of the [smaller] man's face, whilst obscenely insulting him. I do not blame the reporter for acting in self-defence. I have been in a similar situation at a rail station in Liverpool, with an aggressive drunk who behaved similarly to Kay. I too acted in self-defence. Sometimes it is a case of getting the first blow in, however primitive and uncivilised that may sound.

Originally posted by Leebo84
haha I went to the same school as Jamie Oliver in Essex

I take it you've now seen the error of your ways and settled in sunny, sunny Sheffield?

Good on yer! :thumbsup: :clap:

Originally posted by timo
I cannot abide the vulgar, whelk-guzzling oaf. What particularly disgusts me, is the way he cannot keep his foul tongue in his mouth. What a contrast to gorgeous, pouting, sultry Nigella Lawson, who, with a toss of her mane and a flash of those dark, dark eyes, can make even tripe and cow heel sound like an erotic adventure. How I would like to spank her soundly with a huge spoon.

It's difficult to concentrate on the recipe when she's on. By the way, send her round to me when you've finished spooning her.

i agree - spolit what could've been a good programme for kids - the trailers were funny and eye catching to kids so I let my 10 year old watch it in bed (unsupervised) I watched something else !! later to my horror he described Jamie's outbursts and also told me of him making veg look like a 'huge willy'!!

I thought it might promote healthy eating - it didn't .....

Just give my son an extension to his vocabulary I could've well done without!

My fault it was after the watershed but the trailers weren't!!!

He won't be watching again! Shame!

I think the fact that he comes from Essex may well be a contributing factor. In my experience, whenever I go on holiday abroad I seem to pal up with an Essex lot (great fun they are too), but the swearing thing almost seems to be compulsory.

I've not seen it, but I couldn't really give a t*ss about his language as long as he manages to make the kids' school dinners better and get them interested in healthy food.

I'd always though Jamie Oliver a bit of a self-centred mockney git until I saw the series Jamie's Kitchen and realised how devoted he is to his job, and how genuinely keen he is to make a difference in other peoples' lives (possibly that was partly down to his wife's influence and him growing up & becoming a father).

His language is just a part of the way he is, having lived in Essex I agree it's part of the culture and barely noticed if at all by those doing it. You really ought to be able to see around his quirks and look at what he's actually doing rather than how he's doing it.

Well he swore so much that in the end I have to admit that I didn't notice after a while.

It certainly didn't get in the way of the message that we ought to be ashamed of the crap we feed our children.

I've been going on about the state of school meals for years and even after a price increase which promised better quality, the same old ***** is being served up.

I would say that we should boycott the school meals system but sadly this is the only type of food most of the kids know as they go home to it as well:rant:

How much do the school meals cost ?

It's about time these footballers started getting large amounts of their pay docked if they can't behave themselves.

Originally posted by muddycoffee
It's about time these footballers started getting large amounts of their pay docked if they can't behave themselves.


Did i miss awhole page or something ?

How much do the school meals cost ?

Originally posted by poppins
Did i miss awhole page or something ?

How much do the school meals cost ?
When I was at school it was about 90p but that was 20 years ago

Originally posted by poppins
How much do the school meals cost ?

In Derbyshire £7 per week, £1.40 per day, £28 per month. Thats a lot of money for fat filled, breadcrumb coated, tasteless, frozen, cheapest quality sh !te.

And they cost approx 35p to produce.

I cannot abide the vulgar, whelk-guzzling oaf


Beautiful description....:clap:

Mr Oliver was just interviewed on Radio 4 about his school dinners mission and managed not to swear or say 'pukka' or 'geezer' a single time. Perhaps his potty mouth is less to do with being from Essex and more about a TV persona which is apparently cool.

Nora, the barmy dinnerlady was way more entertaining for just being herself.

Something does need to be done about what children are being taught to love to eat at school. The overcooked veg they used to give us surely has to be better than the brown food and chips habit.

Originally posted by shieshuk
the trailers were funny and eye catching to kids so I let my 10 year old watch it in bed (unsupervised) I watched something else !! later to my horror he described Jamie's outbursts and also told me of him making veg look like a 'huge willy'!!


I wonder if he exposes his own children to this approach to food at home :rant:

To answer some of the things raised here:

1) It was after the watershed
2) He genuinely is passionate about this stuff which probably expains the swearing.
3) He isn't going to swear on live radio during the day

Originally posted by march
He isn't going to swear on live radio during the day

Not the point. Yes he is passionate and children being fed muck in schools is a disgrace and something should be done. Thing is, he's as manufactured as the food he's moaning about - and it feels like he's doing it just for entertainment value. Presumably the debate that this programme should raise is not about him and his foul mouth, but about school dinners the Government's responsibility?

I care not about Mr Oliver. He's doing nicely thank you. The generation(s) of fat and sugar poisoned children is more of a concern. If he can talk about the same thing on the radio without turning on his foul mouth he can clearly express his passion in a less trashy way.

I've started something here.

It's a chef thing this eccentric behaviour and swearing and threatening your staff, isn't it?

Jamie Oliver
Gordon Ramsey
Rick Stein
Keith Floyd

These four are the leaders in this kind of behaviour.

But it is entertaining

Originally posted by timo
What a contrast to gorgeous, pouting, sultry Nigella Lawson, who, with a toss of her mane and a flash of those dark, dark eyes, can make even tripe and cow heel sound like an erotic adventure.

She was eating Yorkshire pudding with golden syrup and cream on it yesterday and I felt quite weak. The minx.

Originally posted by samscam
Thing is, he's as manufactured as the food he's moaning about - and it feels like he's doing it just for entertainment value. Presumably the debate that this programme should raise is not about him and his foul mouth, but about school dinners the Government's responsibility?

Did he 'manufacture' his training at River Café? Nope. First he gives jobless kids a real chance to make something of themselves, then he sets about exposing the shameful rubbish we feed our kids every day. What's manufactured about that?

In any case, like him or not, I'm afraid if it wasn't for him, there wouldn't be any debate on the issue.

(Oh, and the last time I saw her Nigella Lawson looked like she'd been enjoying her own food a little too much...).

:)

While I find him insensely irritating, I've got to admit that I didn't know school dinner budgets were only 38p per meal.

So, despite his silly cock-er-ney ways, I must confess to having learned something from him. If all his shouting and arm-waving helps bring some real improvement in kids' diets, I don't really care if it's all a cynical ploy to forward his TV career.

As for the swearing... Good on 'im. We all know that swearing is cool. And that kids who swear are immensely cool

Originally posted by Greenback
Did he 'manufacture' his training at River Café? Nope. First he gives jobless kids a real chance to make something of themselves, then he sets about exposing the shameful rubbish we feed our kids every day. What's manufactured about that?

I'm not questioning his skills as a chef or that he brings important issues to a mass TV audience and yes he is in a position to make a difference. I don't have kids yet hadn't thought much about what they ate at school and was enlightened by the programme, but his 'one of the lads' image is what seems superficial and potentially affects his credibility? There is a danger that the message is overshadowed by his silliness, that's all.

It also seems a shame that the kids he is wanting to help and those who appear in the programme possibly aren't even allowed to watch it because of it's post-watershed approach.

Pondering this further, I would love to see him take Nora and her team down to the House of Commons kitchens with a 38p budget per meal and dish that muck out to MPs for a while. What's the point banging on about child obesity while no real responsibility for their healthy development is being taken at a very obvious level.

This may be a daft question, but if the meals cost 38p to make, then sell for £1.20, what happens to the profit? Does it pay staff, does the school or education authority keep it, or does it subsidise other stuff?

Originally posted by feargal
This may be a daft question, but if the meals cost 38p to make, then sell for £1.20, what happens to the profit? Does it pay staff, does the school or education authority keep it, or does it subsidise other stuff?

It pays for the dinner ladies and the price of cooking the meal and cleaning the canteen.

Blimey, that's cheap labour!

Thanks

I noticed last night that his swearing was slightly more toned down than the first week.

Let's see how he does next week.

Go and stand in a playground full of 10 year olds and listen to the language, or just llisten to the kids at the park, they swear as much as Jamie Oliver. He is a good lad who is doing some fine work in my opinion.

Oh my goodness me, I thought it was awful!! What if the children featured on the programme wanted to watch it, and heard all those obscenities. sorry if I'm repeating previous comments, don't have time to read them all tonight x

I think jamie is the best thing since sliced (wholemeal ) bread lol.
And for anyone to attack the character of this obviously caring man , must be a touch of the green eyed monster around.

As most of the insults came from men on here and those same men prefer nigella lawson, is it coincidence, or just the fact that she's a pretty woman.

give him a break , you can see he really loves kid's and is trying to help them get healthier.
Dont see nigella lawson doing anything like this.

And what child around ten and eleven has not heard the f word
before.
come on get real.
my eleven year old watched this as he loves anything to do with
cooking and has wanted to be a chef since he was 5.
But common sense stops him from repeating swear words. as it does with most children.
he was only interested in what jamie was trying to do , not the odd swear word.
I cant wait for the next show and neither can my son.
Ive put my signature on the petition thing along with everyone else.
If it makes the education authorities stop and think then its all to the good isn't it.
so come on get signing and stop moaning.















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In never said anything about not lilking him, I was merely pointing out that he is foul-mouthed.

Yes?

yes samiguel and in all fairness to you i didnt see the first episode you were talking about but that would'nt have put me off anyway as i think he's a great bloke no matter what.

but a few have had a real dig at him on this thread.
I dont think he's manufactured etc i think he's one of the most down to earth guys on tv.

Oh, he turned out some choice words and phrases in that first programme, I can tell you.

As for Jamie, I really have to sit on the fence on this one. I don't particularly like him, but at the same time don't dislike him.

I hope that explains. He's just sort of, OK(ish).

I think that yes he does swear to much but he wants things better for the kids - which I think is commendable and should not be pushed to the side because of his swearing.


...and if I had to choose between Jamie Oliver and Gordon Ramsey I would chose Jamie - Gordon Ramsey has 4 kids and has never changed a nappy in his life!!!

Originally posted by shieshuk
i agree - spolit what could've been a good programme for kids - the trailers were funny and eye catching to kids so I let my 10 year old watch it in bed (unsupervised) I watched something else !! later to my horror he described Jamie's outbursts and also told me of him making veg look like a 'huge willy'!!

That's how you capture that age group's attention - especially boys! The fact that he remembered it shows that it worked and hopefully he will remember some of the other things too! You may be surprised - he may remember more of the important issues but has just not wanted to admit to it.

Originally posted by shieshuk
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Just give my son an extension to his vocabulary I could've well done without!


Ah come on he probably already knew these words anyway. He may not use them in front of you but that doesn't mean he doesn't know them. Be realistic - all 10 year olds know how to swear! The fact that he doesn't use them is down to your credit for teaching him respect not his lack of knowledge. Admittedly it does not set a good example but unfortunately it is the way of world.

Dont forget your third helping of jamies school dinners tonight.

If you have a child then you need to read this....

After watching Jamie Oliver's School Dinners, on C4.

you begin to realise just how bad it is at our schools...

please visit http://www.feedmebetter.com/

and add your name to the growing pettition....

Do it for the health of your children...

Love or loath Jamie I respect him for not just moaning about the horror that passes for school dinners but actually trying to do something about it. As was pointed out in the first episode, for some kids their school dinner is the only poroper feed they get all day and if he manages to give kids a halthier balanced meal then I am all for him.

P.S Nora rules!

I watched the programme for the first time tonight, I am in awe. How people can slag him off as just a "manufactured celebrity" I just do not understand. The man is clearly putting his all into this campaign, and his all is clearly a hell of a lot more effort than most people would be willing to expend (gotta pity his poor wife who has to put up with this though). It's a valuable and inspired thing he's doing, and thank god somebody's got the nouse to do it, rather than just sitting there moaning about manufactured celebrities.

And, yes, Nora does indeed rule :)

Originally posted by DanSumption
I watched the programme for the first time tonight, I am in awe. How people can slag him off as just a "manufactured celebrity" I just do not understand. The man is clearly putting his all into this campaign, and his all is clearly a hell of a lot more effort than most people would be willing to expend (gotta pity his poor wife who has to put up with this though). It's a valuable and inspired thing he's doing, and thank god somebody's got the nouse to do it, rather than just sitting there moaning about manufactured celebrities.

And, yes, Nora does indeed rule :)

Thats what I was trying to say but you put it much more eliquently!

Originally posted by Maddy
Thats what I was trying to say but you put it much more eliquently!

Aww, thank you :)

missed it last night as i got held up at meadowhall.
Can someone fill me in.
couldnt phone and ask family to tape it as we havent sorted out how to record with freeview box connected.

Originally posted by tara
missed it last night as i got held up at meadowhall.
Can someone fill me in.


it was a great end to a really good series....

the programme started with the end of the dinner ladies course with them having to cook for about 400(?) squaddies. Who all said the food was excellent.

They then rolled out his new menus to 5 new schools the first week then another 5 the next week and so on.

About 60% of dinner ladies got the hang of it straight away, another 20% needed a bit more support and the other 20% needed a lot of support. Some issues around the new equipment not arriving on time but isolated cases. Most dinner ladies were putting in about an hour extra every day to make sure everything got done - with no promise of overtime being granted. Mega heroes in my opinion.

Really funny moment when a mum brought her two kids into school who were refusing to eat the new food and getting upset about it. You thought she was going to have a go but instead backed Jamie, took the packed lunches of her kids and sent them crying into the dining room. (much respect).

The girl eventually ate something but the boy took one mouthful and then threw up onto the table!!!! comedy moment which was made even better by jules laughing her head of later (whilst still being concerned for the lad, obviously.) Both kids were later see tucking in and enjoying the new stuff.

Ooo what else.......

the roll out got stopped at one point when they thought they were going way over budget. Investigations proved it was the portion sizes that were out and once this was exaplained to the council person, she authorised the project to go ahead again.

Jamie met with charles clarke (education minister?) who agreed that this was the new way forward. He seemed very much in agreement with what jamie was trying to do. Unfortunately a few days later, David Blunkett had to resign and Charles clarke moved into his role. The new woman in charge (ruth kelly) then issued her plans, which did not include any junk food bans or increasd budget....... I hope Jamie will fight on ......

If you haven;t already signed the petition - do it now.

most schools said that concentration, output and health improved after the menus were changed.

Go Jamie, Go Jamie......:clap:

love it - the best bit was the girl's face when /jamie gave her the sticker. hehehe

great stuff loopylou, thanks.
Yes i signed the petition about 2 weeks ago and also put my comment on .

Hope the series comes out on dvd.

One of the most important TV series in many years. Well done Channel 4.

If you haven;t yet signed the Petition (http://www.feedmebetter.com/getinvolved/view.php) do it now!!!

Over 70,000 people signed up so far.

have to agree, well done C4! if your complaining about Jamie Olivers swearing - don’t watch it - simple as. He’s a chef - what do you expect? Fluffy bunnies?

fluffy bunnies ;)

no seriously fair play to Jamie Oliver for making us more aware about what our kids are having in their school meals and for C4 for making it - some of these school dinners were truely horriffic - I wouldn't even feed them to our dog - if we had one :)