My Hollie is now in season, she is as most of you know a Cavalier King Charles Spaniel... Blenhiem in colour.!

She is almost 2 now, and i'm thinking of mating her..
However, i not sure i want to kc reg them, if i decide to mate her, as i want them to be like she is...a loving family pet.

Would it distract you from buying one, if it wasn't kc reg'd.

jt

My Hollie is now in season, she is as most of you know a Cavalier King Charles Spaniel... Blenhiem in colour.!

She is almost 2 now, and i'm thinking of mating her..
However, i not sure i want to kc reg them, if i decide to mate her, as i want them to be like she is...a loving family pet.

Would it distract you from buying one, if it wasn't kc reg'd.

jt

I wouldnt bother mating her if you arent going to kc register the pups. And I also wouldnt bother mating her if you havent found homes already.
The breeder you got her from will be able to help you with all the breeding info you need (and make sure you didnt sign a contract when you got her to say you arent allowed to breed her) and should be able to help you find an appropriate stud for her.

I wouldn't buy a non KC Registered pup unless it happened to be from a very reputable breeder who I knew and trusted (and I doubt that I'd find one of those that KC registered!)

What is it that's putting you off KC Registration? I assume Hollie is KC Registered and as such is still a much loved family pet?

Eddy's not KC but he was a rescue from dalmatian welfare - Takara is KC registered, has done a bit of showing and agility and loves to work but she is a very much loved family pet and showing/working would never come before that. (We don't show any more as she stopped enjoying it).

So yes - I would question a breeder's motives if the pups were not KC registered - not to mention why the pups weren't KC registered.

Good luck whatever you decide.

I think you'd be lucky to find a reputable breeder/stud dog owner who would allow you to mate her to their dog if you weren't going to KC register as well.

I wouldnt bother mating her if you arent going to kc register the pups. And I also wouldnt bother mating her if you havent found homes already.
The breeder you got her from will be able to help you with all the breeding info you need (and make sure you didnt sign a contract when you got her to say you arent allowed to breed her) and should be able to help you find an appropriate stud for her.


Why would i find homes for them.?..i don't need any advice over that from anyone.!

Was jusy a question....thats all...

jt

Why would i find homes for them.?..i don't need any advice over that from anyone.!

Was jusy a question....thats all...

jt

Sorry John i didnt mean it like that at all. Are you keeping all the pups then? I just meant its easier to have a waiting list first :( Sorry you took it the wrong way!

Are you planning on keeping all the pups? If so - why say 'would it put you off' :confused:

Are you planning on keeping all the pups? If so - why say 'would it put you off' :confused:

kc.reg'ing them...isn't a problem at all, and i'll probably do that anyway.!

I just wondered that as there gonna be for pets only, would people still be interested in them if they wasn't kc reg...

When i bought hollie and Charlie(rip)...i was charged extra for them to be kc'd...

And yes i am planning on keeping at least 1 back...but knowinbg how my heart will melt, it may well be 2...lol

jt

kc.reg'ing them...isn't a problem at all, and i'll probably do that anyway.!

I just wondered that as there gonna be for pets only, would people still be interested in them if they wasn't kc reg...

When i bought hollie and Charlie(rip)...i was charged extra for them to be kc'd...

And yes i am planning on keeping at least 1 back...but knowinbg how my heart will melt, it may well be 2...lol

jt


I would be the same if my dog had pups, i would want to keep them all lol.

Breeders shouldnt charge extra for KC registering them! that shocked me.

You can usually pay less for non kc registered pups, but I wouldn't... I'd rather have them KC'd. There are some breeders who believe it's better not to KC reg' (although I can't get my head around that one!).

I'd have a word with Hollie's breeder as tatty suggested - s/he will be able to help you with lots of the ins and outs of breeding, which stud would be best for Hollie and loads more.

I agree with tatty that it really helps to have a waiting list for pups - and there are lots of dedicated people looking to go on waiting lists for planned litters. You'll rarely see a good breeder advertising an entire litter. Usually only one or two if they've had more than expected.

I'd also highly recommend 'The Book of The Bitch' (you can borrow mine if you like) which really goes into depth on breeding and raising a litter.

Good luck whatever you decide - but also be aware of the risks of breeding a litter.

You can usually pay less for non kc registered pups, but I wouldn't... I'd rather have them KC'd. There are some breeders who believe it's better not to KC reg' (although I can't get my head around that one!).

I'd have a word with Hollie's breeder as tatty suggested - s/he will be able to help you with lots of the ins and outs of breeding, which stud would be best for Hollie and loads more.

I agree with tatty that it really helps to have a waiting list for pups - and there are lots of dedicated people looking to go on waiting lists for planned litters. You'll rarely see a good breeder advertising an entire litter. Usually only one or two if they've had more than expected.

I'd also highly recommend 'The Book of The Bitch' (you can borrow mine if you like) which really goes into depth on breeding and raising a litter.

Good luck whatever you decide - but also be aware of the risks of breeding a litter.


I used to breed and train german Shepherd's, never lost a pup..and i know it's really hard work...sleepless nights etc...worst than kids..lol


Sorry i do some times get defensive about breeding...i am an experienced breeder...
And would never breed..just for the sake of breeding....or as some people think...to make a fast buck...that is a no no....and not my style..

anyway...nothing is sorted yet....today is her first day..got a few more days of pmt yet..lol

jt

I too am an experienced breeder.
I would never, however, breed a litter and not register them. at the end of the day, it would be my reputation within the breed that was at stake.
It costs around £12 to register a pup, so why not register? its a tiny expense compared to the rest of the costs associated with a litter (Stud fee, vaccinations, worming, chipping, potential caesarian to deliver them, handrearing etc etc).

does your girl have an endorsment on her KC papers preventing any pups she may have being registered?, as you would need her breeder to remove that (and they do prefer to be contacted BEFORE a mating takes place in my experience).

Just to add another aspect, and one i can illustrate very well right now:

Lets say you sell some of the pups, and one of those pups cannot then be kept by its new owner: It is a whole lot easier for a registered dog to be rehomed, as theres usually a breed rescue who will step in and help, but as the ONLY way to prove a dog IS the breed it claims to be is a KC registration document, it can leave an unregistered example 'out in the cold' so to speak.
The unregistered Siberian Husky we are fostering right now will verify that: We cannot gain assistance with rehoming and neutering, nor can she be offered to a competative working home, because she is unregistered.

do your litter a favour and PLEASE register them, if only for their future welfare :)

Personally, i would not buy an unregistered example of any breed, nor a pup from parents who have not undergone the BVA heathchecks recommended for that particular breed (examples are eye testing BAER testing, hip scoring to name just a few).
We own a small pack of working huskies, all of them meeting the above criteria, all of them registered. We also spend a lot of time and experience a lot of heartach sorting out those dogs NOT bred according to those criteria, that includes those who as pups, were sold as 'pets only'

Would you have them health screened etc? both bitch and stud?

To breed from a cavalier the parents should be certified heart clear from vet cardiologist not just local vet BVA eye tested and MRI scanned for the dreadful neuro logical condition syringomylia. I would not touch a pup who does not come from such parents or there could be a huge load of heartache waiting for the new owners.

There have been alot of cavaliers in rescues locally just recently.

Wow thanks for that cavi lover - I knew they needed eye and heart checks but was not aware of neurological conditions! You learn something new every day!

They also get cleft palets too I think?

any breed can get cleft palets

This is a probably a prime example of why I object to some breeding. It matters diddly to me whether a dog is KC registered but it is wholly important that blood lines are studied and if breeding is going to happen, it most certainly should be selective. Not just because the offspring will be certificated for whatever reason, but purely because genetic defaults should be identified when matching the parents.

Responsible breeders ought to be working to eradicate the inherited defaults to prevent suffering and anything less is indiscriminate breeding. Buying a pedigree breed dog doesn't mean it has a good pedigree and could come with all sorts of breed associated ailments which are cruel to the dog and costly to the owner.

Our Cavi had both heart and eye problems, bless him.

This is a probably a prime example of why I object to some breeding. It matters diddly to me whether a dog is KC registered but it is wholly important that blood lines are studied and if breeding is going to happen, it most certainly should be selective. Not just because the offspring will be certificated for whatever reason, but purely because genetic defaults should be identified when matching the parents.

Responsible breeders ought to be working to eradicate the inherited defaults to prevent suffering and anything less is indiscriminate breeding. Buying a pedigree breed dog doesn't mean it has a good pedigree and could come with all sorts of breed associated ailments which are cruel to the dog and costly to the owner.

Our Cavi had both heart and eye problems, bless him.

I couldnt agree more!
Personally, I would like to see the Kennel club INSIST on healthchecks recommended for each particular breed and insist on acceptable results before registeration of the litter is allowed

Me too BV.

personally, i wouldnt care if the dog was not kc registered, as i would only want one for a family pet

My Hollie is now in season, she is as most of you know a Cavalier King Charles Spaniel... Blenhiem in colour.!

She is almost 2 now, and i'm thinking of mating her..
However, i not sure i want to kc reg them, if i decide to mate her, as i want them to be like she is...a loving family pet.

Would it distract you from buying one, if it wasn't kc reg'd.

jt

I thought I was desperate.

Responsible breeders ought to be working to eradicate the inherited defaults to prevent suffering and anything less is indiscriminate breeding. Buying a pedigree breed dog doesn't mean it has a good pedigree and could come with all sorts of breed associated ailments which are cruel to the dog and costly to the owner.

Our Cavi had both heart and eye problems, bless him.this is exactly why I always say people should talk to a number of breeders before making any decisions - it's a minefield, not dissimilar to trying to find a decent builder, but we're all more clued up on that score!