Has anyone got any intersting stories about Sheffield Pubs and their Nick-names.

I'll start the ball rolling. The Hallamshire Hotel, Lydgate Lane. Crookes/Crosspool border has always been known as the "Mad House". The story goes that someone came into the pub with a donkey and stood at the bar and had a pint. The then landlord didn't object and one of the locals said "you must be "Mad" ....well that's how the story goes.

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~engsheffield/photos/pubs/hallamshirehotel.htm

The Punch Bowl in Crookes has always been known has the "Top Shop" because it is at the very top of of a steep hill (Springvale Road)

http://www.sheffieldpubs.fsnet.co.uk/Business/pubs/punchbowl2.htm

Crown and Glove in my native Stannington has always been known locally as the Top House as it's at the top of Uppergate Road and is the last pub in Stannington before the road goes out into Dungworth.

I've got some for you..
This is a list which my mate gave me some time ago.

Dempseys - Pulp Fiction Bar [because it looks like an american bar like the one in pulp fiction]

The Hallamshire [of old] - Starwars Bar [because of the variety of creatures that could always be found drinking there]

Ale Tasters [Tail Tasters] - Apparently the landlords of this boozer were of dubious sexuality (whatever that means!)

Norfolk Arms - Kung Foo Bar
The landlord of this pub used to walk about with bare feet like David Caradine from Kung Foo

The Hornblower - The Horny Blow Job [It's what the girls used to call it anyway!]

The Abbey - Scabby Abbey

Wapentake Bar - The Chip Shop [because the entrance looked just like a chip shop]

Three Cranes - Snowball
This pub has an unusual feature, when you walk into the bar on the left, the carpet/floor makes a noise like crisp snow under your feet

Broadfield - Odd Life Bar,
you just mix the letters up. The youth club side was called this until recently.

hi,
the victoria at heeley is known as the round house as its built on a corner but the most well known must be fanny`s which is the lord nelson just off eyer st

The Red Deer off Mappin St

aka

The Dead Rear - everytime I go in I end up staying a long time and the seats aren't very comfy...:)

The Lord Nelson on Arundel Street is know as "Fannies" after a former landlady there from donkeys years ago.

The springwood at woodthoerpe is the ranch i dont know why my hubby gose in and thay all call it that i will ask him

The Red House on Solly Street was often known as the Irish Embassy.

ps always thought the Hallamshire (Lydgate Lane variety) got called the Mad House because the altitude (coupled with alcohol intake naturally) caused strange behaviour.

Originally posted by muddycoffee
Three Cranes - Snowball
This pub has an unusual feature, when you walk into the bar on the left, the carpet/floor makes a noise like crisp snow under your feet

My! This is so true! I used to work on Queen Street, and spent loads of lunchtimes in the Cranes! The noise was always something we commented on, but you're right. It sounds just like snow underfoot! (And I know, 'cos I just been out in it!) :D

K x

The Masons Arms at Crookes is locally known as the chapel of rest, i do believe this to be because it is questionable as to who is alive in there.

"The Barrel" at Chapeltown, has always been known as
"The Barrel". Could never work that one out :confused:

Originally posted by courtneychar
The springwood at woodthoerpe is the ranch i dont know why my hubby gose in and thay all call it that i will ask him

If your hubby goes in there, (The Springwood) then I'll probably know him as that’s been my local since 1988. In the tap room there is picture of “the lads” to the right of the bar. A handsome looking lot they are too (Not)! That’s cos’ I’m not on there….sob….

It got its name, the ranch…so I’m told…because it was said full of “cowboys”. I MUST DISAGREE WITH THIS. Whenever I’ve needed work doing on my property… be it building, electrical or plumbing work……I’ve always employed one of the Springwood regulars.

Originally posted by fuzzy
The Masons Arms at Crookes is locally known as the chapel of rest, i do believe this to be because it is questionable as to who is alive in there.

Well fuzzy there is a church at the end of Carson Road :).

I believe now it's one of the quieter pubs in Crookes. But it was certainly lively in the mid 70’s when we used to meet there on a Friday night, before we made our way up to Crosspool via the “mad house”. There used to be a pinball machine in the tap room, which made a right racket. Anyone who was a regular then would know that the then landlord John used to turn the bandit off if he thought it was paying out too much.

My very late grandfather once had a bet and won. He came home one night along with his winnings: a donkey. This is a true story!

Nicknames for pubs. We tend to make our own up. Incredibly original ones are: The Ranny and The Bully for - wait for it - the Ranmoor Inn and The Bull's Head. My eldest daughter, who despite being 5 years old seems to know the names of more pubs than I, calls the Three Merry Lads the Very Big Lads.

And for reasons unknown, we refer to The Shiny Sheff pub as The Shiny ****ter (The omitted letters are, S, h, i and t).It's a name that seems to have, er, stuck!

Oh, and Fagan's on Broad Lane is known simply as Tom's.

Like I said, hardly original.

The Censored/Treadmill was known as Dodgers when it was the Norfolk Arms. It was the nickname of a former landlord.
Do people still call it Dodgers?

Originally posted by Longcol
The Red House on Solly Street was often known as the Irish Embassy.

ps always thought the Hallamshire (Lydgate Lane variety) got called the Mad House because the altitude (coupled with alcohol intake naturally) caused strange behaviour.

You may have a good point there longcol..I always wondered what "fixit" put in the beer....... :)

Interesting comment about the Red House being called the Irish Embassy. The Hadfield, on Barber Road was effectually called “The Guinness Hole”. The Hadfield was the nearest pub to Harcourt Road, which had a large Irish community.

Originally posted by stevie1957
Well fuzzy there is a church at the end of Carson Road :).

I believe now it's one of the quieter pubs in Crookes. But it was certainly lively in the mid 70’s when we used to meet there on a Friday night, before we made our way up to Crosspool via the “mad house”. There used to be a pinball machine in the tap room, which made a right racket. Anyone who was a regular then would know that the then landlord John used to turn the bandit off if he thought it was paying out too much.

It can be quite busy on a weekend now, they have kareoke (?) on fri and sat, and it is a laugh.

One i heard of recently was the Cobden becoming known as the Ancedo as thats what it comes up as on predictive text. :D

Originally posted by Ousetunes


Oh, and Fagan's on Broad Lane is known simply as Tom's.

Like I said, hardly original.

Intersting that Fagans is now called Tom's.

Fagan's was once called The Barrel. The old landlord was called Joe Fagan, an Irish gentleman (and I mean gentleman). The regulars call it “Joe’s”. Years ago if anyone said they were going to Joe’s……they were going to the Barrel. It was later renamed Fagan's in his honour.

Originally posted by fuzzy
It can be quite busy on a weekend now, they have kareoke (?) on fri and sat, and it is a laugh.

One i heard of recently was the Cobden becoming known as the Ancedo as thats what it comes up as on predictive text. :D

Hello again fuzzy

That’s a good one about the “Cobby” . That place has changed so much since George used to run it. He’ll be turning in his grave…..last time I was in there I was taking my lad on a crawl of my old haunts (including the Masons). I noticed that the picture of “string vest” had been taken down. I hope that picture hasn’t been lost as he was one of the local characters…..

Originally posted by pinhead
The Censored/Treadmill was known as Dodgers when it was the Norfolk Arms. It was the nickname of a former landlord.
Do people still call it Dodgers?

One of the stories I heard about the Norfolk Arms was that when there used to be a bus depot on Leadmill Road people used to “Dodge” across the road for a quick pint.

There was a pub on Blackburn Road that my Grandpa always referred to as "Big Arves". I thought the landlord must have been called Harvey, but apparently, they just sold beer under-measure! ;)

K x

there's a exbikers boozer some where at swallownest known as maggies she was the landlady in the 50's/60's

norfolk arms dixon lane is always called bottom ut lane

Originally posted by kirky
there's a exbikers boozer some where at swallownest known as maggies she was the landlady in the 50's/60's

norfolk arms dixon lane is always called bottom ut lane

This one is doing my head in ......for some reason I keep thinking of Wetherby?

stevie whats your name my hubby is in that pic in the springwood

Back in Manchester there was a pub not far from me called the Prince of Wales which everybody called 'The Mop' as the cellar was constantly flooded during bouts of heavy rain.
Just down the road was a pub called the Horse and Farrier which people called 'The Divorce' from its rhyming slang name 'Divorce and marry her'.
My local The Mountain Ash was known to some as 'The tater'. (as in tater 'ash)
The best nickname though was the Royal Naval Club. It was known as the 'bellybutton'. (think about it)

Originally posted by courtneychar
stevie whats your name my hubby is in that pic in the springwood

I've sent you a pm.

hi,
there used to be a wards pub on neepsend lane the building is still in use it was called the victoria but was always referred to as the monkey the landlord had small monkey at the time ( he was known as monkey joe ) also not too far away was a pub called the malton which was known as the low drop apparently named by the draymen as the beer cellar was very low at the point where they lowered in the barrels

Originally posted by holberry
hi,
there used to be a wards pub on neepsend lane the building is still in use it was called the victoria but was always referred to as the monkey the landlord had small monkey at the time ( he was known as monkey joe )

The Monkey was an handy pub to use if you wanted somewhere quiet and off the main drag to sort things out, but not be too far away from the town center. When it closed it was a sauna for a while. One of the bar staff in there once told that it used to be call the Victoria Gardens before it became the Victoria Hotel. The pub up the road is called the Gardners Rest.

the pub that became a sauna used to be the neepsend traven just before you get to gardners rest call it the cystal suite the victoria gardens/hotel closed in 1992

Grenoside had (haven't been for a while so I don't know if it still has) a Red Lion at the bottom of the hill and the same at the top of the hill - hence "Top Red" and "Bottom Red".

The Commercial Hotel in Chapeltown used to be known as the "Comic".

Originally posted by sammysowls
the pub that became a sauna used to be the neepsend traven just before you get to gardners rest call it the cystal suite the victoria gardens/hotel closed in 1992

Thanks for the info Sammysowls. I’m wracking the old grey matter about the Neepsend. Do you have any further info on the place?

I know this is a bit off subject.

Does anyone have any information about a pub called the General Gordon? I believe this pub was on the back streets between Penistone Road and Langsett Road/ Infirmary Road but not as far up as the George IV . I have vague memories of sitting on the step outside with my cousin while our parents were inside.

Originally posted by stevie1957
Thanks for the info Sammysowls. I’m wracking the old grey matter about the Neepsend. Do you have any further info on the place? only thing iv got stevie is that it opened 1839 and closed 1974 hope this helps

Originally posted by stevie1957
I know this is a bit off subject.

Does anyone have any information about a pub called the General Gordon? I believe this pub was on the back streets between Penistone Road and Langsett Road/ Infirmary Road but not as far up as the George IV . I have vague memories of sitting on the step outside with my cousin while our parents were inside. this pub was at 30 cross bedford street dunno when it closed tho the street is still there

Originally posted by chillicat
Grenoside had (haven't been for a while so I don't know if it still has) a Red Lion at the bottom of the hill and the same at the top of the hill - hence "Top Red" and "Bottom Red".

The Commercial Hotel in Chapeltown used to be known as the "Comic". yes still has bottom and top red with angel the old harrow cow and calf and just past bottom red the norfolk arms all within walking distance

Originally posted by muddycoffee
I've got some for you..
This is a list which my mate gave me some time ago.

Dempseys - Pulp Fiction Bar [because it looks like an american bar like the one in pulp fiction]

The Hallamshire [of old] - Starwars Bar [because of the variety of creatures that could always be found drinking there]

Ale Tasters [Tail Tasters] - Apparently the landlords of this boozer were of dubious sexuality (whatever that means!)

Norfolk Arms - Kung Foo Bar
The landlord of this pub used to walk about with bare feet like David Caradine from Kung Foo

The Hornblower - The Horny Blow Job [It's what the girls used to call it anyway!]

The Abbey - Scabby Abbey

Wapentake Bar - The Chip Shop [because the entrance looked just like a chip shop]

Three Cranes - Snowball
This pub has an unusual feature, when you walk into the bar on the left, the carpet/floor makes a noise like crisp snow under your feet

Broadfield - Odd Life Bar,
you just mix the letters up. The youth club side was called this until recently.


the 2 guys who ran the ale tasters where gay i recall they where from manchester one was a big guy and the other one looked like mortica adams husband out of the adams familly they had the pub from around 92 up to 95 if my memory serves me right:)

Originally posted by sammysowls
this pub was at 30 cross bedford street dunno when it closed tho the street is still there

Thanks for both bits of info

Originally posted by stevie1957
I know this is a bit off subject.

Does anyone have any information about a pub called the General Gordon? I believe this pub was on the back streets between Penistone Road and Langsett Road/ Infirmary Road but not as far up as the George IV . I have vague memories of sitting on the step outside with my cousin while our parents were inside.
The General Gordon Inn,
49 Cross Bedford Street Sheffield.

Named after the man who commanded the chinese army in 1860 and governor of Sudan in 1884.
As governor of egyptian sudan,
he was ordered to evacuate Kartoum, he refused and held out for 10 months, when he was killed 2 days before relief came. This 10 month delay was a scandal in Britain, and it was the sole reason for the failure of the british government.

Originally posted by muddycoffee
The General Gordon Inn,
49 Cross Bedford Street Sheffield.

Named after the man who commanded the chinese army in 1860 and governor of Sudan in 1884.
As governor of egyptian sudan,
he was ordered to evacuate Kartoum, he refused and held out for 10 months, when he was killed 2 days before relief came. This 10 month delay was a scandal in Britain, and it was the sole reason for the failure of the british government.

Thanks for the info Muddy. I will be doing further research on the "Gordon" and hope to find out when and why it shut down.

The Salutation Inn, in High green is known as the"Sally"
Could never work that one out :confused:

Originally posted by viking
The Salutation Inn, in High green is known as the"Sally"
Could never work that one out :confused:
Drink 8 pints of wifebeater and then try saying the word salutation.

Originally posted by muddycoffee
Drink 8 pints of wifebeater and then try saying the word salutation.


what the hell is wifebeater ?

rose and crown at stannington is called "minnies" by all my friends....

Originally posted by panda79
what the hell is wifebeater ?
Ask at any bar of any pub in the city.
The strong lager which has the initials S**** A**** is widely known as this, because it has a long reputation for making it's inbibers fight. More than any other lagers of similar strength.
I had 2 pints of it last night though and managed to make it through to the morning without distressing anybody.

Originally posted by panda79
what the hell is wifebeater ?


Stella Artios.

It is beleived that the sort of person that drinks it are the sort that go home and beat up the wife.

I drink stella on occasion but I don't beat anybody up.

Wasnt the black swan on bank street known widely as the mucky duck?:confused:

Originally posted by franc1987
rose and crown at stannington is called "minnies" by all my friends....

Rose and Crown's been "Minnie's" for Donkey's years, just like the Crown and Glove up the road from there's always been called the Top House.

Originally posted by Herbert
Wasnt the black swan on bank street known widely as the mucky duck?:confused:

Merrie England..... Compleat Angler ....the list goes on and on.

Anyone know what the most renamed pub is in Sheffield. Pubs have their names for 100's of years....then some burke comes along and changes the name.

The Carlise Hotel on Carlisle St was always known as "Swainees"after a landlord named Tom Swain in the early 1900,sTHe Horseshoe at the top of Bellhouse Rd,was known as Aphatis does anyone know where the name came from

Originally posted by Rich
Rose and Crown's been "Minnie's" for Donkey's years, just like the Crown and Glove up the road from there's always been called the Top House. this is because going back to 1920 a irvine lee and his wife minnie became the tenants of this pub mr lee passed away in 1953 and minnie took it over and was there for many more years and all locals started calling it minnies then which is still called today

The Horns pub at Bradfield was known as Heaven's Parlor for years being so close to the graveyard.

The Shakespeare Inn at Hillsborough was always known as the 'Shakey' and they eventually changed the pubs name to 'The Shakey'.

Sorry Sweetdexter but it's true.

Happy Days!

The Golden Ball in Campo Lane was also known as The Brass Kn*cker.

one old pub in heeley sadly now long demolished was the prospect view gleadless road known to everyone as the cuckoo
as it was run by two old ladies and the beer was allways flat and short measure wich was known as a cuckoo

Originally posted by holberry
one old pub in heeley sadly now long demolished was the prospect view gleadless road known to everyone as the cuckoo
as it was run by two old ladies and the beer was allways flat and short measure wich was known as a cuckoo

Prospect View......Tradisaional pub …very old fashioned (best pubs). Only used it a few times….when I first met my future wife who lived in Meersbrook. We use to call in on our way up to the Blackstock from Heeley or vice versa. The Upper Heeley club on Cat Lane has gone too. The round house is still there. Me and Jane was in the cuckoo early doors on its last night.

not a pub i know but roxy`s was always known as dodgy barry`s,after the owner barry noble.

Originally posted by SlimboyFat
Stella Artios.

It is beleived that the sort of person that drinks it are the sort that go home and beat up the wife.

I drink stella on occasion but I don't beat anybody up.

Wow! :wow: I drink Stella from time to time, but I've never beaten up anyone. let alone my husband! Is this an urban legend?!? :suspect:

K x

Quote:
Originally posted by kirky
there's a exbikers boozer some where at swallownest known as maggies she was the landlady in the 50's/60's

This is the Oak Inn on Worksop Road, next door to Siddalls aka the Swallownest, altho I've no idea why thats called Siddalls

Anyone???

one old pub in heeley sadly now long demolished was the prospect view gleadless road known to everyone as the cuckoo

I demolished the cuckoo, still have an old penknife i found under the floorboards,

The Neepsend Tavern used to be run by Joe Siddall

The Punchbowl in Crookes - wasn't it called 'The top shop?'

I've been told (by a reasonably trustworthy source) that The Miners Arms at Stocksbridge was know as "Rags". This is because all the steel workers that went in at dinner times wore sweat rags round their necks.
And the Cross Scythes at Totley was always called the Crossed Thighs.

The Carlisle Hotel on Carlisle Street was known as "Swainees"
apparently a chap named Swain was the landlord in the early 1900,s
the Horseshoe at the top of BellhouseRoad (now demolished) was known as "Aphatis" does anyone know why it got that name The Old No12 in Haymarket was known as the double six

Do any of the notorious pubs round the markets have nick names? If not shall we give them some? I.e. Market tavern, Basket case Tavern

Originally posted by Draggletail
The Punchbowl in Crookes - wasn't it called 'The top shop?'

It was called the "top shop" because it is right at the top of Spring Vale Road.

There was also a "Salutation Inn" on Atterclife, which was called the "sally".

the Park and Arbour thorne club was always called the "top club" as long as I have known it, the manor club was the middle club, and the Arundel ex-servicemen's club was called the botton Club" due to their respective positions along the top of city road)

also, I remember "The "Cossack" pub, on howard street, being called "the Doll's House".

PT

The Victoria at Heeley was always known as the Poodle when I went in there.

I remember the Monkey at Neepsend. Outside loos, Wards ale and they would serve four as long as you could drink!

The Scarborough at upperthorpe was the "scabby horror" very apt at times.

Originally posted by sliver
The Scarborough at upperthorpe was the "scabby horror" very apt at times.

Or just the “Scabs” – and that was way before the miner’s strike, so it has nothing to do with scabs in the miner’s sense.

Any names for the pub just round the corner "The Upperthorpe"?

The one next to MAGGIES at Swallownest is the Oak Inn and Siddallsis the Swallownest Inn.

Originally posted by Ousetunes
And for reasons unknown, we refer to The Shiny Sheff pub as The Shiny ****ter (The omitted letters are, S, h, i and t).It's a name that seems to have, er, stuck!

Shiny Sheff was always refered to as "Gods waiting room" in our circle of friends.
Not really a nickname as it's longer to say?

The Censored/Treadmill was known as Dodgers when it was the Norfolk Arms. It was the nickname of a former landlord.
Do people still call it Dodgers?

my mum had the dodgers from 1998 to 2003 there was two versions to the nickname. when we moved in the pub was officially the norfolk arms but known by many as the dodgers x

1st version : dodger fielding once owned the pub a football player ??
2nd version : bus drivers used to nip in and out when the leadmill garage was open for a tipple or two with out gettin caught (dodging) makes (dodgers ) lol x

best years of my life spent there x:)

the market tavern was known by us as the beggers inn.

The Victoria at Heeley was always known as the Poodle when I went in there.

I remember the Monkey at Neepsend. Outside loos, Wards ale and they would serve four as long as you could drink!

victoria at heeley has always been known as the roundhouse to me

Hallamshire Hotel on Lydgate Lane, Crookes known as Mad House

some of these sound made up

Who decided to rename the Engineers Hotel at Wincobank, the "Dallas Bar" !!!!

As far removed from reality, as possible.

We used to call the Bull & Mouth on Waingate, the 'Foot & Mouth'; The Whetstone, the 'Soggy Brick'. The Magpie on Lowedges was the 'Maggie'

Oh, and I forgot the All Bar One, the 'Allbarone'

[QUOTE=kingfisher;483054]
the Horseshoe at the top of BellhouseRoad (now demolished) was known as "Aphatis" does anyone know why it got that name

I know this post is very old but my mum use to run this pub a few years back. But she once told me the Horseshoe pub use to be ownd and named many years ago, after the owners name that was Raffaties, maybe it was shortend to Aphatis but this is the only reason we can think of.

Who decided to rename the Engineers Hotel at Wincobank, the "Dallas Bar" !!!!

As far removed from reality, as possible.

Wasn't it taken over/owned by Bernard Manning at the time? I seem to remember it was all dark inside and tried to resemble a nightclub.

A pub on Hammond Street in the old days was known as Dirty Dicks,I don't know the proper name.
The Prince of Wales, in St Philips Road was known as Charlie Walls.
The Monkey, I don't know the proper name.
Charles Turnbull was known as The Bull.
The White Hart St Philips Road is sometimes called Paddys.:roll:

the wicker hotel was known as the hole in the wall.
this was due to a painting of what it looked like through the wall that the painting was painted onto

sum wired names

The Three Merry Lads- 'The Legs' after the picture on the sign I think

The Fox and Duck- 'The Docks and F***' it's how it comes out after a few drinkies :P

We used to call the Bull & Mouth on Waingate, the 'Foot & Mouth'; The Whetstone, the 'Soggy Brick'. The Magpie on Lowedges was the 'Maggie'

Apparently, this name came from the Bolougne Mouth after some battle there. But changed to Bull and Mouth, similarly to White Swan, becoming the Mucky Duck.

Not sure where I heard that, or even how to spell the French town name (it's that ****hole, on the north coast).

Prospect View......Tradisaional pub …very old fashioned (best pubs). Only used it a few times….when I first met my future wife who lived in Meersbrook. We use to call in on our way up to the Blackstock from Heeley or vice versa. The Upper Heeley club on Cat Lane has gone too. The round house is still there. Me and Jane was in the cuckoo early doors on its last night.
that footpath outside the cuckoo when you came out was about 15 inch wide if that,had to have your wits about you if you had a few to many,:D

hi,
the victoria at heeley is known as the round house as its built on a corner but the most well known must be fanny`s which is the lord nelson just off eyer st
if you look at the building its round, and i dont mean fannys ;)

Pubs will have a nickname for years, used by regulars as a way of showing that they are "part of the club". If the landlord suddenly changes its sign to match the nickname, it's like the pub doesn't have a nickname any more, just a "proper" name.

For instance , in Hillsborough, almost everyone will know that until a few years ago "Shakey" was only the locals' nickname for "The Shakespeare".

Does anyone else dislike it when the landlord "nicks" the nickname off the customers?:rant:

A pub on Hammond Street in the old days was known as Dirty Dicks,I don't know the proper name.
The Prince of Wales, in St Philips Road was known as Charlie Walls.
The Monkey, I don't know the proper name.
Charles Turnbull was known as The Bull.
The White Hart St Philips Road is sometimes called Paddys.:roll:

Hi Nosy Nellie
I think you may be mixing the White Hart up with the Victoria Hotel just down the road on Jericho Street which my father kept from 1950 untill 1959, his nickname was "Paddy" White, the Victoia was also known as the "Low Drop".

Hi Painterman.
I remember The Low Drop My Grandmother used to go in there and I never knew the proper name for it.Victoria Hotel.Something I have Learned.
I never knew it as Paddys.
The recent Landlord of the White Hart is called Paddy so this is a new nickname for the White hart.The last few years.

Victoria heeley green
The round house

Sorry Nellie did not know about the Paddy at the white Hart, not been down there drinking for years, and that was in the St Philips Club. What was your Grandmothers name I might remember her.

The Carlilse Hotel on Carlalisle St was known as Swaineys,apparently a Tom Swain kept it in the early 1900,s'
The Horseshoe on Bellhouse Rd was known as Aphatis any one know why that was??

Masons Arms on Capel Street always known as the Capel.

Apparently, this name came from the Bolougne Mouth after some battle there.

Not sure where I heard that, or even how to spell the French town name (it's that ****hole, on the north coast).

You're getting Boulogne mixed up with Calais - Boulogne old town at the top of the hill is a real gem. Calais is the ugliest place in France.

three cranes none to me as the snowball

Hello painterman the family name was Ford I am talking about the fifties you must have a good memory,Or you may remember them as Hilda and Elsie.

Hello painterman the family name was Ford I am talking about the fifties you must have a good memory,Or you may remember them as Hilda and Elsie.

hiya where i lived in the 40s /50s the pubs were elliotts,harvey floods,wesh,two steps, gillies,dog, would have to think hard to name a couple by their proper names