does anyone know where I can download microsoft front page (legally) for free? I've not got it on my PC. Or does anyone know where I can get it cheaply?

I've tried looking on microsoft (http://www.microsoft.com) but it seems they're only offering templates or it's rather expensive from some places.

I wouldn't have thought it was possible to get this legally.

There was a thread on here about alternatives to MS products that were free and looked similar, but I can't find it.

Sorry

K x

Computer fair, Don Valley Stadium first weekend in March and first weekend of every month thereafter.

Cheap LEGAL software for sale at decent prices, and don't worry if you do have any problems with anything bought from there, just take it back to the computer fair the following month as the same seller is almost garaunteed (sp?) to be there.

Frontpage Express is available free here. (http://lists.bilkent.edu.tr/webpublishingwithfpexpress/dnload.htm)

Use notepad... it rocks :D or you could try Dreamweaver on trial, personally I prefer it to Frontpage...[edited] I'm a good little boy scout ;)

If you're just starting out on webdesign (which I assume you are as nobody with any web design experience would use Frontpage!), you're probably best steering clear of it.

Frontpage teaches sloppy practices, puts needless HTML code into a page, and when you come to use a "big-boy's" web design program like Dreamweaver, it will be like learning again from scratch.

Get Dreamweaver and a good book instead.

Having said that, Dreamweaver puts a pile of pooh in pages as well.

I'd seriously look towards getting a basic programmer's text editor - or even Notepad - and learn enough CSS and HTML to do the work that way.

It's not as easy as Dreamweaver, but is cheaper and you'll produce pages that are leaner and, if you get a decent couple of books, much more standards oriented.

Joe

I have got dreamweaver, but my knowledge of building a site is pretty basic, which is why I like to use frontpage, as I find it easier to use than dreamweaver, although I must admit dreamweaver is a lot better for doing some things on a web page

i must agree with all the advice given so far, avoid frontpage like the plague, dreamweaver is an excellent wysiwyg editor tho i still prefer to use homesite or arachnophilia for the quick creation of a basic page or site.

for creating a site make sure you use the templates as thats what they are for :)

dave

Originally posted by JoePritchard
Having said that, Dreamweaver puts a pile of pooh in pages as well.

I'd seriously look towards getting a basic programmer's text editor - or even Notepad - and learn enough CSS and HTML to do the work that way.

It's not as easy as Dreamweaver, but is cheaper and you'll produce pages that are leaner and, if you get a decent couple of books, much more standards oriented.

Joe


DW is pretty good.

We use it for getting the basic look & feel in standard HTML.

Then switch to code view & edit up the resulting html (or rework to PHP).


DW MX also produces standards compliant code, without the need for constant checks/crsoss-referencing (which simply take too long during the development cycle)!

If your gonna use frontpage, then you may as well use word instead, you can do the same uninspiring designs in both.
If you aint got ms office, then openoffice will do pretty much the same. and it's free.

Originally posted by alchresearch
...use a "big-boy's" web design program like Dreamweaver...

Sorry, didn't realise this was a comedy thread...

Real designers use Vi...

Originally posted by JoePritchard
Having said that, Dreamweaver puts a pile of pooh in pages as well.

I'd seriously look towards getting a basic programmer's text editor - or even Notepad - and learn enough CSS and HTML to do the work that way.

It's not as easy as Dreamweaver, but is cheaper and you'll produce pages that are leaner and, if you get a decent couple of books, much more standards oriented.

Joe

Dreamweaver has come a long way, and is the only real web IDE available off the shelf.

The PHP/MySQL programming (snippet library) is an enormous timesaver for reliably retrieving recordsets, and the ability to work with live data in the design view is just unbeatable.

For someone starting out making web pages, I would recommend they get over to www.coffeecup.com and have a look at whats on offer there. Their products are great for budding webby types as they produce correct html and adhere to standards and protocols.

I have found their Direct FTP product to be, by far and away, the best FTP client available for windows.

THey also do a good range of one button solutions for 3d logos, animated gifs and the other stuff needed to jolly up web pages. (not to everyone's taste, but undeniably popular!)

Real designers use Vi

Nope. Real designers use a pen and paper.

editing on the server is great for last minute tweaks, but far better to do that in ultraedit, directftp or anything with code snippets, reference and syntax hilighting.

vi, pico etc are for sadomasochistic dweebs. :)

Originally posted by Phanerothyme
...vi, pico etc are for sadomasochistic dweebs. :)

Fairy nuff, guilty as charged!! :D

Had to put the line about vi, but seriously, if I'm on my Windoze box I use HTML Kit http://www.chami.com which is very handy, completely free, & has oodles of plugins...

I downloaded HTML-Kit last night, been playing with arachnophilia recently but didn't really get on with. HTML-Kit seems good.

As others have suggested I would avoid FrontPage, if you want to learn, best to learn properly and get yourself over to amazon for a book on html.

Oh noooo, books? PAH!!

http://www.w3schools.com

Beats learning from a book any day...

didn't realise this was going to provoke the response it has done

Originally posted by teffey_2003
didn't realise this was going to provoke the response it has done

Too many geeks spoil the answer?!?

Just got Inspired to download Dreamweaver reading this. On trying to Install it, when I select the path c:/program files, I get a message 'This folder does not contain Dreamweaver MX'
Can anyone help? Am running XP
:thumbsup:

You haven't downloaded an upgrade have you? MX is the previous version I think???

Originally posted by march
You haven't downloaded an upgrade have you? MX is the previous version I think???
Oops, silly me - I have Indeed downloaded an upgrade:blush: :hihi:
Thanks, March:)

Originally posted by Draggletail
Oops, silly me - I have Indeed downloaded an upgrade:blush: :hihi:
Thanks, March:)

I wasn't talking from experience or anything, honest :)