PLEASE ALL DOG OWNERS THINK ABOUT USEING A LEAD WHEN OUT WITH YOUR DOGS AS I JUST BEEN OUT WITH MY 1 YEAR OLD JACK RUSSEL ON HER LEAD AND AS I TURNED A CORNER A STAFFY OF THE LEAD WAS THERE AND WITH OUT HESITATION JUMPED ON HER RIPING HER EAR ??:mad:

ALL THE OWNER COULD SAY IS SORRY HE NEVER DONE THAT BETHOUR :huh:

SO PLEASE NO MATTER HOW FREINDLY YOUR DOG IS USE A LEAD :|

My dog is always allowed offlead, my eldest isn't for several reasons.

It's common courtesy to call your dog back if you see another dog and I usually recall mine if I can't see around a corner/over a hill.

I shan't be keeping her on a lead because I have control of her - if I'm in a situation where I don't feel I have control of her (on a road, around food) then she goes on the lead.

I would also prefer my dog to get attacked while off the lead so she has the chance to get away.

Sorry to hear about your dog

I am afraid i am with Lottie with this one.

I completely understand where you are coming from and i am sorry your dog has been hurt i hope she is ok, but some of us are responsible dog owners and we ensure that our dogs are under control so this type of thing does not happen. I know if my dogs ignore me in the slightest they are back on the lead and we practice our training until i am confident they have their recall. I would never walk offlead in a unsafe area anyway.

I am too!I walk my own dog off the lead and he loves other dogs , if he was unreliable with other dogs i wouldn't put him a position to do that. I always make sure that he is safe in a good area, however if i see a dog we don't know i call him back straight away.
I like to see my dog free running and able to have this time off his lead.

i am sorry your dog was hurt but i do think that as a resposible dog owner good recall is important.

i agree my rottie has never walked on a lead

Many breads of dog could never get enough exercise by being walked solely on the lead, they have to have the chance to run around.

Well Your All So Responsable Pet Owners From Now On Im Gona Carry A Sharpe Ended Walking Stick ...so My Dog Will Not Be The Only One Bleeding...

Rottie Of Lead Lol I Bet When Ur Out People Grab There Dogs And Kids ???
I Know U All Think { My Dog Hurt Some One Never He/she Is So Soft Like Hundreds Of Owners Whos Dog,s Have Killed Or Bitten Children And Adults For No Reason But Never Your Pet As If ?

It,s The Never Happen To Me ...attitude That Gets People /animals Hurt

Where did it happen, I always keep our dog on a lead on footpaths/roads or other busy areas but you can’t expect dogs on a lead in parks or open fields.

I agree with the others, my dog is completely trained and walks at my side, never on a lead, if another dog comes i call him away. i'm not putting my dog on a lead unless there's a danger to anyone.
I think your overreacting over your bad experience. :roll:

I'm sorry, but Molly has to run for at least an hour a day to have enough exercise. It's not physically possible to exercise her enough without letting her off the lead, but I do keep hold of her whenever we're around other dogs (apart from her friends of course) until they've met and are OK with each other.

Dogs do not bite or kill children for no reason- there is always a reason. Maybe not one that makes sense to humans, and none of them excuse the act, but it's a reason.

If I had the least thought that she was going to hurt anyone I'd be first in the queue to either have her put to sleep or to rehome her in a more suitable place (she's a GSD and would make an excellent sniffer/tracking dog, so she could earn her keep, even though she's too soppy to make it as a police dog).

Are you really suggesting that all dog owners permantly keep their dogs onlead even in perfectly quiet, ideal off lead running areas? If you are then you will most definately have people disagreeing with you.
You are mocking us being responsible dog owners. Accidents do happen and yes some are preventable and some aren't and very unexpected. This is the nature of being a dog owner. As long as we do our best to keep our animals safe and well socialised to avoid incidents like you have been through today then surely we are doing a good job. There will always be people who do not behave in this way and we have to protect our dogs as much as we can but i would not let this jepordise the happiness and well being of my dog and keeping them onlead all the time in my opinion would do this. It is their greatest enjoyment after pigs ears :hihi:

I have also had incidents with other people and my dogs but you have to get over it, and not let your fear dominate what you do with your dogs otherwise you transfer this to your dog(s).

Are you really suggesting that all dog owners permantly keep their dogs onlead even in perfectly quiet, ideal off lead running areas? If you are then you will most definately have people disagreeing with you.
You are mocking us being responsible dog owners. Accidents do happen and yes some are preventable and some aren't and very unexpected. This is the nature of being a dog owner. As long as we do our best to keep our animals safe and well socialised to avoid incidents like you have been through today then surely we are doing a good job. There will always be people who do not behave in this way and we have to protect our dogs as much as we can but i would not let this jepordise the happiness and well being of my dog and keeping them onlead all the time in my opinion would do this. It is their greatest enjoyment after pigs ears :hihi:

I have also had incidents with other people and my dogs but you have to get over it, and not let your fear dominate what you do with your dogs otherwise you transfer this to your dog(s).


no im not really suggesting that all dog owners do as ur all so responsable and have full controll over ur pets so theres no chance of ur pets ever hurting anyone is there lol ?

http://images.google.co.uk/images?num=20&hl=en&q=dog+attack+child&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

look at these pics and then carry on with your know it all rants

Well Your All So Responsable Pet Owners From Now On Im Gona Carry A Sharpe Ended Walking Stick ...so My Dog Will Not Be The Only One Bleeding...

Rottie Of Lead Lol I Bet When Ur Out People Grab There Dogs And Kids ???
I Know U All Think { My Dog Hurt Some One Never He/she Is So Soft Like Hundreds Of Owners Whos Dog,s Have Killed Or Bitten Children And Adults For No Reason But Never Your Pet As If ?

It,s The Never Happen To Me ...attitude That Gets People /animals Hurt

no they dont cos every1 knows tia where i live

no they dont cos every1 knows tia where i live


lol and most people carry a knife or a gun in ur area to so there not scared of ur rotti lol:hihi:

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Yeah because every dog is a snarling snapping, biting machine who will rip anyone to pieces as soon as a look at them. Jeeesh!

I agree with lottie. if a dog is under control, it's under control. and it certainly IS only common courtesy to curb your dog if there's another dog around.

there are only a very, very, small minority on here who are cretinous, don't-care owners who have uncontrolled, or savage dogs.

pretty much to a man, we are responsible owners, who control their dogs, who clean up after them when the poop, and whoocertainly would not let their dogs run loose and/or intentionally let their dogs come into agressive contact with another dog.

I've always curbed my dog of 14 years' standing. not just because I don't want their doggoing for mine, but that I don't want my dog reacting to any silliness or snapping, etc on their dog's part, and him potentially having the chance to be provoked enough to have a "nip" at their dog.

lol and most people carry a knife or a gun in ur area to so there not scared of ur rotti lol:hihi:

What a really "clever" and well thought comment. :roll:


What was that bit, in your signature, about wanting to prove that Manorites aren't "chavscum?" cos it doesn't seem to be working... :roll: :roll:

Or at least.. it seems that you are attempting to make up for all the negative stereotypes of Manorites.

lol and most people carry a knife or a gun in ur area to so there not scared of ur rotti lol:hihi:

plus every1 knows whos family im married into and thats worst then being attacked by a rottie

i always take mine on the extendy lead and she comes off when i can see for ages and know whats coming she is a staffy X and is fine with other dogs but if it grumbles at her she will nip the other dog first especially if it is little which is why i tend to use the extendy.

some many people give this dog a bad rep its unbearable.

if you are walking your dog in the street it should be on a leash walk my dog alover and would not dream of letting her off her leash on main roads were cars,kids are when taking them for a run in a park or woods then yes they come off
saying you all have proper control over your dogs when not on a lead is the biggest load of crap ive heard all dogs no matter how big or small or how well trained can snap at kids or other dogs if they wish and their is nothing you can do about it

amyrach i have nothing against rottys at all and think they are lovely dogs but nether having your dog on a lead if it saw a cat or felt freatend do you rely think you would have full controll of such an animal

I think most of us were pointing out that we only let our dogs off lead in safe areas and would never consider doing otherwise, but we have our dogs off lead when it is safe to do so and even then with caution. Well that was certainly what i said in my post.

As far as saying i have control over my dogs, i have put a lot of time and effort into training them and getting to know them. This means i am aware of situations when they are not comfortable and i take the appropriate action. This involves having a good recall and good onlead walking. I know my big dog isn't sure about children so if i see any nearby i recall and attach lead. I know my little old girl can snap if provoked so i recall when she is faced with other dogs and attach lead so i am in control and can move her out of the way.
I don't think any of us were saying we had complete control over our dogs when off lead but we have spent time reinforcing training and commands in order to manage off lead time to reduce risks.

thats fair play ads,i think what your saying is rite my dog is also well trined she has to be as she is a working dog and i hunt with her,i know her recall is excellent i can call her off chasing a rabbit when that is what she is trained to do but as with everything sometimes things go wrong,if you had asked the people whos dogs have killed other dogs and kids befor it happened they also would have probally said their dog is excellent with recall been of the lead etc etc,but it only takes that few seconds
i dont beleive any dog is 100 percent trustworthy and they all deserve a little more respect than alot of people give them

My dog[s] are always on a lead when we are out... not becasue I am worried that they will attack.. but because if they were attacked they could do some series damage....Akitas will not backdown... and they would and are blamed...even if they were not the aggressor.

I get fed up with off leaders who's owners swear blind that they only want to play, and that they have fab recall... when they don't... and then they attack or growl at one of mine.

Most Akita owners can tell you about their dogs being attacked usually by off leaders... who's owners think or belive that they have great recall but who sadly don''t.

OK, here's an example of dog control. My springer was walking off the lead in a large open area about 8 ft away from me when I saw two dogs come racing across the grass. He saw them too. I called him to heel and he came immediately and then stopped and stayed while I tried to clip the lead on. As I did, a ?ridgeback and a staffy caught up with us. My dog stayed still as the ?ridgeback sniffed around him and did not respond to the snarling, snapping staffy. As I tried to clip on the lead, the staffy went for me, so I had to stand up to get my hands away from him without clipping the lead on.

One young man ran up and grabbed the staffy by the collar, and all the while he continued to snarl and snap. The other ambled up after some time with leads for both dogs. During all that time, my dog stayed calmly by my side. Once they had the leads on, the young men had to drag their dogs off - neither dog was walking to heel on the lead.

My dog was under control all the time, even when he was off the lead. The other two dogs were not under control, even when on the lead.

In my experience, young men and "hard" dogs are a bad combination. Next down the list are people who have small dogs because they think they make better pets. Apart from odd toy breeds, small dogs rarely make good pets easily, because most were originally bred for ratting, rabbiting, and hunting and like all working dogs need huge amounts of exercise and very firm training. Most terriers are not naturally good with children. A yappy yorkie or jack russell can be quite as aggressive and vicious as a bigger dog - the only real difference is that it can do a limited amount of damage to an adult.

Well trained, properly managed dogs of any breed, under the control of responsible adults, are safe. Any dog which is poorly trained and/or not under proper control can be dangerous. A lead is one form of control, but better control is achieved by having a dog that is trained to respond instantly and without question to the owner's commands under any circumstances.

Well trained, properly managed dogs of any breed, under the control of responsible adults, are safe. Any dog which is poorly trained and/or not under proper control can be dangerous. A lead is one form of control, but better control is achieved by having a dog that is trained to respond instantly and without question to the owner's commands under any circumstances.

this is all very true and i good post but i dont think any dog can be 100 percent trusted if dogs came running over to be id be confident my dog would sit and not move if was told to sit and stay,but as with people dogs will only take so much befor they react and you cant say it will not happen with your dog as i cant say it wont with mine

if you are walking your dog in the street it should be on a leash walk my dog alover and would not dream of letting her off her leash on main roads were cars,kids are when taking them for a run in a park or woods then yes they come off
saying you all have proper control over your dogs when not on a lead is the biggest load of crap ive heard all dogs no matter how big or small or how well trained can snap at kids or other dogs if they wish and their is nothing you can do about it


I'm sorry everyone but I really do agree with this, I'm sure that most people meant that their dogs are offlead in a park etc, and I think that is usually expected, so long as the dog can be recalled easily and care is taken to keep them away from dogs on the lead... its only good manners after all.
But one of my pet hates is dogs on the street being walked offlead, the times that dogs have suddenly appeared and piled into mine for absolutely no reason are unbelievable, it has happened so many times now that my dogs can be quite reactive to offlead dogs while they are onlead, I'm not happy about that, nor am I happy when I am dragged around by my dogs pulling to get to some dog on the street who "just has" to come up and sniff their bums when they are obviously unwanted there :mad: on the streets dogs should be on a lead, for their safety and for the safety of other animals and people.

this is all very true and i good post but i dont think any dog can be 100 percent trusted if dogs came running over to be id be confident my dog would sit and not move if was told to sit and stay,but as with people dogs will only take so much befor they react and you cant say it will not happen with your dog as i cant say it wont with mine


I do agree with this and i am under no illusion that my dogs are 100% reliable, i just do my best to give myself and them the tools to manage better and be as safe as possible. I would definately use leads and muzzles etc. all the time if my dogs warranted it.
Nice to hear also that people have the same views about training and when and where to have offlead dogs. Like you moonbird i hate seeing dogs walking by roads without a lead :(.

OK, here's an example of dog control. My springer was walking off the lead in a large open area about 8 ft away from me when I saw two dogs come racing across the grass. He saw them too. I called him to heel and he came immediately and then stopped and stayed while I tried to clip the lead on. As I did, a ?ridgeback and a staffy caught up with us. My dog stayed still as the ?ridgeback sniffed around him and did not respond to the snarling, snapping staffy. As I tried to clip on the lead, the staffy went for me, so I had to stand up to get my hands away from him without clipping the lead on.

One young man ran up and grabbed the staffy by the collar, and all the while he continued to snarl and snap. The other ambled up after some time with leads for both dogs. During all that time, my dog stayed calmly by my side. Once they had the leads on, the young men had to drag their dogs off - neither dog was walking to heel on the lead.

My dog was under control all the time, even when he was off the lead. The other two dogs were not under control, even when on the lead.

In my experience, young men and "hard" dogs are a bad combination. Next down the list are people who have small dogs because they think they make better pets. Apart from odd toy breeds, small dogs rarely make good pets easily, because most were originally bred for ratting, rabbiting, and hunting and like all working dogs need huge amounts of exercise and very firm training. Most terriers are not naturally good with children. A yappy yorkie or jack russell can be quite as aggressive and vicious as a bigger dog - the only real difference is that it can do a limited amount of damage to an adult.

Well trained, properly managed dogs of any breed, under the control of responsible adults, are safe. Any dog which is poorly trained and/or not under proper control can be dangerous. A lead is one form of control, but better control is achieved by having a dog that is trained to respond instantly and without question to the owner's commands under any circumstances.

I agree with your comments. I have a biggish dog and if he had no manners or training i would struggle to manage with or without a lead. And those with very large dogs would surely just get dragged about the lead would make no difference.

if you are walking your dog in the street it should be on a leash walk my dog alover and would not dream of letting her off her leash on main roads were cars,kids are when taking them for a run in a park or woods then yes they come off
saying you all have proper control over your dogs when not on a lead is the biggest load of crap ive heard all dogs no matter how big or small or how well trained can snap at kids or other dogs if they wish and their is nothing you can do about it

amyrach i have nothing against rottys at all and think they are lovely dogs but nether having your dog on a lead if it saw a cat or felt freatend do you rely think you would have full controll of such an animal

1.my dog lives with 2 cats
2.i GUARANTEED full control of my dog

1.my dog lives with 2 cats
2.i GUARANTEED full control of my dog

my dog also lives with cats but no dog can be trusted 100 percent
are you trying to say you walk your dog down the road with no lead and you think you can guarantee it is under full control

OK, here's an example of dog control. My springer was walking off the lead in a large open area about 8 ft away from me when I saw two dogs come racing across the grass. He saw them too. I called him to heel and he came immediately and then stopped and stayed while I tried to clip the lead on. As I did, a ?ridgeback and a staffy caught up with us. My dog stayed still as the ?ridgeback sniffed around him and did not respond to the snarling, snapping staffy. As I tried to clip on the lead, the staffy went for me, so I had to stand up to get my hands away from him without clipping the lead on.

One young man ran up and grabbed the staffy by the collar, and all the while he continued to snarl and snap. The other ambled up after some time with leads for both dogs. During all that time, my dog stayed calmly by my side. Once they had the leads on, the young men had to drag their dogs off - neither dog was walking to heel on the lead.

My dog was under control all the time, even when he was off the lead. The other two dogs were not under control, even when on the lead.

In my experience, young men and "hard" dogs are a bad combination. Next down the list are people who have small dogs because they think they make better pets. Apart from odd toy breeds, small dogs rarely make good pets easily, because most were originally bred for ratting, rabbiting, and hunting and like all working dogs need huge amounts of exercise and very firm training. Most terriers are not naturally good with children. A yappy yorkie or jack russell can be quite as aggressive and vicious as a bigger dog - the only real difference is that it can do a limited amount of damage to an adult.

Well trained, properly managed dogs of any breed, under the control of responsible adults, are safe. Any dog which is poorly trained and/or not under proper control can be dangerous. A lead is one form of control, but better control is achieved by having a dog that is trained to respond instantly and without question to the owner's commands under any circumstances.

your saying little dogs are bad with kids ect omg :hihi:
mine is brill best pet ever ....when was the last time you heard news reports ect about the little jack russell that killed or savaged any one ?
the reason i got a terrier is because like people have stated you carnt trust any dog and if by chance she ever turns I could hold her of with one hand and there wouldnt be to much damage could u say the same for your big dogs it would take 2/3 men to get it of or you would have to just watch as it rips some one or something to bits:confused:

my dog also lives with cats but no dog can be trusted 100 percent
are you trying to say you walk your dog down the road with no lead and you think you can guarantee it is under full control


yes i do 100%

your saying little dogs are bad with kids ect omg :hihi:
mine is brill best pet ever ....when was the last time you heard news reports ect about the little jack russell that killed or savaged any one ?
the reason i got a terrier is because like people have stated you carnt trust any dog and if by chance she ever turns I could hold her of with one hand and there wouldnt be to much damage could u say the same for your big dogs it would take 2/3 men to get it of or you would have to just watch as it rips some one or something to bits:confused:

I was savaged by a Jack Russell as a toddler, and my grandmother,who tried to protect me, was also badly bitten - it had to be put down. See also http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=288282&p=2952361
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/08/15/nrussell15.xml
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_19950313/ai_n13971028
www.understand-a-bull.com/Articles/OtherBreedBites/2007/March/JackRussel0307.pdf
http://iclanarkshire.icnetwork.co.uk/wishawpress/news/tm_headline=thugs-x2019-terriers-savaged-pet-cat-to-death&method=full&objectid=19927872&siteid=50144-name_page.html

To balance that, I have found just one report of a Springer attacking someone, and it was an adult.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_20000315/ai_n14282195
I don't think it would take 2/3 men to shift a springer spaniel - it's hardly a big dog. Mine is always kept on the lead on the street and in areas where there are children, in any case, for his own protection. He runs free during daytime walks in open country, the woods or the cemetery where I can see him at all times and call him to order *before* anything happens that could provoke any kind of reaction.

It's probably worth mentioning that people should *always* insure their pets. Even if you think you can afford vets' bills, the public liability insurance is probably the only way that one could ever afford to pay fair compensation if someone is hurt by a dog.

your saying little dogs are bad with kids ect omg :hihi:
mine is brill best pet ever ....when was the last time you heard news reports ect about the little jack russell that killed or savaged any one ?
the reason i got a terrier is because like people have stated you carnt trust any dog and if by chance she ever turns I could hold her of with one hand and there wouldnt be to much damage could u say the same for your big dogs it would take 2/3 men to get it of or you would have to just watch as it rips some one or something to bits:confused:

madornay,

we had someone post, only the other day on SF, about a baby in the US that was savaged, and killed by a JRT.

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http://www.plasticsurgery4u.com/procedure_folder/face_lac_dogbite.html
http://en.allexperts.com/q/Canine-Behavior-3553/2008/1/Springer-spaniel-bit-son.htm
http://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.2005.227.1594
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?p=20442220

The English Springer Spaniel has recently become afflicted with a serious personality disorder called "Rage Syndrome". A rare disorder, this syndrome will cause an otherwise normal dog to go into a sudden rage and viciously attack. Should this occur, the English Springer Spaniel will not respond to any commands. This condition has been found to be a form of epilepsy and is treatable.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/737630.stm
http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/puppy_alert/index.htm

The English Springer Spaniel has recently become afflicted with a serious personality disorder called "Rage Syndrome". A rare disorder, this syndrome will cause an otherwise normal dog to go into a sudden rage and viciously attack. Should this occur, the English Springer Spaniel will not respond to any commands. This condition has been found to be a form of epilepsy and is treatable.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/737630.stm
http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/puppy_alert/index.htm

Yes, this is a very nasty condition - generally thought to be caused and spread by overbreeding of show-type dogs. It's often misdiagnosed, though, in mistake for behaviour caused by bad management. Cockers seem to be most often affected, and labs can also suffer from it.

yes i do 100%

i dont want to get into any arguements on here so this is the last ill post on here

but to say your dog is 100% trusted off its lad at all times is the biggest load of ****e ive heard

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Well, er...yes, because asking everyone to do the same thing all the time instead of managing their animals with intelligence and common sense is daft. I fail to see why that simple fact causes you to start slinging insults, but there you go.

Moonbird I agree that I hate to see dogs offlead on the street.

No dog is 100% reliable. They are animals, they have their own minds and imo, no matter how well trained there is always the chance that they will 'let you down'.

Manorboy - your arguments are ludicrous in my personal opinion - what on Earth you hope to achieve by stupid comments about carrying guns, I do not know.

Your argument 'if I'd said you should all keep them off the lead, you'd have disagreed'. Yes - I sure would! There are places a dog can be safe off the lead, there are places it is necessary to be on the lead.

Not only is the location a variable, but also the individual dog, the situation you're in and lots more.

With my youngest dog I keep her on a lead if we're road walking, if we're near an open gate in the park (I know she's not 100% reliable and she could cause an accident if she ran into the road), if we're near picnics or open cafes because she's a scavenger and if we pass another dog on the lead.
If we're walking through a park or woods and another dog is offlead, you can usually tell if the dog is friendly or not just by looking, and my dog tends to avoid dogs unless they offer to play anyway but I will call her to a close and she knows that if she ignores the other dog and walks close to me, she gets to play tuggy fetch and to my dog, that's way better than going to say hi to the dog.

The point is, there are times when it is better for a person to say nothing (watching a play, in Church, in class etc etc) and times when you'd look very rude saying nothing - I don't tell you to decide which one you're going to do and stick to it! It depends entirely on the variables mentioned above as to whether it's ok to let a dog off of the lead.

I've got mixed views because Ailsa has been attacked by other off-lead out of control dogs on a number of occasions most recently in October 07 when she ended up needing surgery which we had to pay for, seeing as the other dog owner never came forward to pay for it.

It infuriates me when other dogs come tearing towards her snapping and snarling - those are the ones that should be kept on leads or at the very least, called back by their owners, some of whom find it highly amusing that their little (and it usually is a smaller dog) wants to 'have a go' - but well behaved dogs that go back when called, I really don't have a problem with.

If one approaches Ailsa now, we warn the owner [IF they're within calling distance- because sometimes they are miles away at the othr end of the park, on their mobile phones taking no notice of their own dog(s)],that Ailsa can be wary because she has been attacked so many times, just in case Ailsa decides to grumble at their dog first. We have total control of our dog and would be grateful if other people would do the same with their own, for that reason.

We always walk Ailsa on a lead in the street or anywhere crowded including the entrances to parks but let her off lead as soon as it is safe and quiet enough to do so so she can have a good run- and we take her to quiet back-areas of our local woods and parks to play ball games and splash about in the streams. We once had one scary incident when she was a pup and playing with other dogs we regularly walked with- they got over-excited and one ran out into the road, Ailsa followed - they may have been chasing a cat or simply got too giddy but either way, they would not respond when we tried to call them back. Fortunately for us, the road wasn't busy, but it could have been and for that reason, we don't take chances - it's very nice having a dog that walks obediently at your side but I'd prefer to see them on leads when walking along busy roads.

When we walk her in the countryside we abide by the countryside code and keep her on a flexi-lead so she can forage about but sheep are in no danger.

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Voicing your opinions in a sensible way is fine, but please lets not allow this thread to degenerate into insults!

i dont want to get into any arguements on here so this is the last ill post on here

but to say your dog is 100% trusted off its lad at all times is the biggest load of ****e ive heard

my dog is 100% trustworthy because i am a qualified dog trainer
THATS WHY

my dog is 100% trustworthy because i am a qualified dog trainer
THATS WHY

While I understand that you may feel that dog is 100% , I don't belive any dog can be that well trained... even if you have every qualification in the book...
everytime you walk it on the streets etc and it's not on a lead you take a risk... what would happen if when you were walking along a street and an other dog attacked your dog....? could you make it stop...could you make it back down? let go... etc etc. Are you preapred for the rest of the breed to be blamed if your dog, while fighting back, killed the other dog, becasue your dog was off the lead?

Your dog may be well trained but not everyone elses is....

It is illegal to walk your dog on a public highway without a lead. Road traffic act 1988 section 27. It would be so much easier for everyone if we all just stuck to this law surely.

My dog has had a "well trained, under control" dog run at it twice in the last fornight, once running across a road and nearly getting hit by a car. Still the owners insist its under control and "doesn't usually do that". I've got used to people letting there off lead dogs run up to us univited on the fields and tracks but surely i ought to be spared this when walking round the streets!

While I understand that you may feel that dog is 100% , I don't belive any dog can be that well trained... even if you have every qualification in the book...
everytime you walk it on the streets etc and it's not on a lead you take a risk... what would happen if when you were walking along a street and an other dog attacked your dog....? could you make it stop...could you make it back down? let go... etc etc. Are you preapred for the rest of the breed to be blamed if your dog, while fighting back, killed the other dog, becasue your dog was off the lead?

Your dog may be well trained but not everyone elses is....


Beat me to it. That's exactly what our dog trainer warned us - however well you THINK your dog responds, you can never be 100% sure it will respond that way ever ytime and even a minor distraction could result in the dog chasing across a busy road...

right this is my final comment i know my dog better than anyone
my dog is well trained
end of
i suggest this thread be closed because it will end up being a slanging thread

I'm not looking for a slanging match and I don't doubt you dog is well trained but there's always that one chance that he or she might get distracted by something and dart across a busy road. When we started dog training 6 years ago with a well known local dog trainer, she told us on our first night that a supposedly well trained dog had been let out of its owner's car on its own drive and would normally have sat and waited for its owner to lock the car before going indoors with her - a well trained dog. Unfortunately, on this one occasion, as it got out of the car, it spotted a distraction across the road (it may have been a cat, I don't remember) despite its owner commanding it to stop, it dashed across that road and was hit and killed by a car.

I have to agree that whilst walking on the pavements I don't think it's out of order to request that dogs are kept on a lead. My Staffie has been attacked whilst on his lead by both a West Highland White and a Weimaraner that were off their leads. Stupid thing is the owners get upset with my dog when he defends himself!

The thread didn't ask people to keep a dog on the lead whilst walking on the street. It asked for them to be kept on a lead all the time, a totally different proposition.

The thread didn't ask people to keep a dog on the lead whilst walking on the street. It asked for them to be kept on a lead all the time, a totally different proposition.

Well reading between the lines of my post you can reach the conclusion that whilst waking on the pavements/roads I think all dogs should be kept on the lead, however in fields, etc as long as there are no other dogs nearby then I would say it's ok for them to be off the lead.

Many breads of dog could never get enough exercise by being walked solely on the lead, they have to have the chance to run around.

Extendable lead? Setting more time aside to exercise your dog?

The OP was understandabley upset that while walking his young dog on a lead it was attacked by an off leader.... while the OP maybe a little blunt was i feel totally reasonable .. i think I would be if the same happened to mine.

What ever anyone says , however well behaved, or well trained their dog is, or they think it is, I do believe that it should be on a lead, especially on roads and in Public places... Some parks ( though many in Sheffield have bylaws which say that dogs should be on leads at all times) and areas which allow dogs to be off lead etc... are a different argument.

Ok Amyrach - sorry but no well respected, reputable dog trainer would ever say there dog is 100%. They're animals. End of.

I could exercise my dog on a lead all the time and she's a dalmatian, requiring a lot of exercise. BUT I don't because it is in her best interest to be allowed off the lead at times when this is suitable.

Dogs can let off steam by running around, get to smell at things that they need to in order to get their mental stimulation, and free running is extremely different to exercising on a flexi lead. (Not to mention the flexi's tendency to encourage pulling on the leash).

It's also incredibly important for most dogs to meet other dogs and get to play. They're social animals - they need that. It's not fair to expect a dog to never go offlead to play with another dog.

Well trained, well socialised dogs may well show aggression - all dogs have arguments, just as people do. Expecting a dog never to show aggression is like expecting us to never have a cross word with someone for the entirety of our lives - the important thing is that they are allowed to experience, when young, other dogs and learn bite inhibition.

If your dog is well socialised, there is little reason to worry about the aggression they may show because they have 'ritualised aggression' - snapping at the air, snarling, low growling - we may not like it but it's perfectly natural (like us having a cross word but knowing not to pull out a gun and shoot someone).

Extendable lead? Setting more time aside to exercise your dog?

They go 20 metres, and no amount of walking is sufficient for a big dog that needs to run.
I would consider it extremely cruel to not allow my parents weimeraner off the lead for the majority of his walk.

They go 20 metres, and no amount of walking is sufficient for a big dog that needs to run.
I would consider it extremely cruel to not allow my parents weimeraner off the lead for the majority of his walk.

We use a lunge lead for our dog, she is never let off in a park, OH and my son run with her... she runs around our garden too... the reason being is that she would be blamed becasue of her breed if she got into a fight.... becasue she is an Akita.

She her self is a really friendly dog... and many people round here are quiet happy to let their dogs play with her... but her lead remains firmly on.

We use a lunge lead for our dog, she is never let off in a park, OH and my son run with her... she runs around our garden too... the reason being is that she would be blamed becasue of her breed if she got into a fight.... becasue she is an Akita.

She her self is a really friendly dog... and many people round here are quiet happy to let their dogs play with her... but her lead remains firmly on.

It's a shame, but they do have a bad reputation.
My parents dog was attacked by an akita, you can probably find the post if you look. He's big, but it bowled him over and he didn't get to his feet until I physically kicked it off him.
It's owner then told me he (my dog) should have been on the lead. When it attacked him he was walking at heal and his dog was 200 metres from him. He's lucky I didn't feed him the lead at that point to be honest.

It's a shame, but they do have a bad reputation.
My parents dog was attacked by an akita, you can probably find the post if you look. He's big, but it bowled him over and he didn't get to his feet until I physically kicked it off him.
It's owner then told me he (my dog) should have been on the lead. When it attacked him he was walking at heal and his dog was 200 metres from him. He's lucky I didn't feed him the lead at that point to be honest.

was the akita on a lead or off lead??

was the akita on a lead or off lead??

Makes very little difference imo, still very out of control regardless of whether or not it was leashed.

if i said my labrador never used a lead i think peoples views would be very different

Makes very little difference imo, still very out of control regardless of whether or not it was leashed.

I would think it depends if it attacked or was attacked...

if i said my labrador never used a lead i think peoples views would be very different

No they wouldn't... well mine wouldn't be... any dog... big or small should be on a lead when out in a public area.

I don't think they would Amyrach the people who are objecting to dogs not being walked on a lead while walking on a street etc. are applying this to all dogs not just the breed of dog you own.

I agree to Lottie's post re. you being a qualified dog trainer means your dog will always do exactly as you say. I think you are fooling yourself i'm afraid and in fact taking a very dangerours risk (regardless of your breed of dog before you say it) this applies to the safety of your dog and other animals/people. People in a car could die whilst swerving to miss a dog running onto the road (accidently) how many people consider that?

yes im fooling myself i let my dogs run riot

lol this thread gone mad ?

i was angry when i started this thread im also worried about taking my dog back out thinking about what if ?
when the staffy attacked my 9 year old son was also with me screaming and sobbing what if it turned on him what if it had killed my dog ect ect this little dog means the world to us we only had her a year and couldn,t imagine life without her and if i walk her in street again i may be putting her in harms way because some dog owners think they have 100% control over there pets as if we have owned all breads of dog and english bulls / spaniels/shepperds/ ect ect and i wouldnt say i had 100% control over any of them any dog can turn for no reason at all like an english bull terrier my mum used to own brilliant dog but with a bad toe nail and one day my 5 year old nethew sat on it by accident and it nipped his face ? just shows you never know whats gona happen ?

I think that maybe this thread has run its course.

There's obviously not going to be a consensus as to whether any dog should be off a lead at any time, so is there any point in going round in circles about this?

I think that maybe this thread has run its course.

There's obviously not going to be a consensus as to whether any dog should be off a lead at any time, so is there any point in going round in circles about this?

I was thinking the same thing really, I think its time that it was closed now, so I will close it.