People bemoan the fact that young black men are significantly more likely to be stopped by the police. Isn't the front page of tonight's star a complete justification of this statistic and shouldn't the do gooders seek out crime facts and figures before bleating.

Not intended to stir anything but both my wife and I were struck by these pictures and thought the same thing independently!

The scrotas on the front page of the star, black and white did not receive long enough sentences each. They are the scum of the earth the dealers and the user's they are both aware of right & wrong. Nobody made them take drugs and nobody made them deal.

In my eyes they both want putting on a ship out to sea and leaving there, they would probably end up killing each other save us taxpayers loads of money not having to keep them.:rant:

When they are on the streets they are taking from us by committing crime, now they are still taking from us as we are now having to pay for their keep in prison. :rant:

It would be helpful if you could tell us what actually was on the front page of the Star, for those of us who don't see it?

It would be helpful if you could tell us what actually was on the front page of the Star, for those of us who don't see it?

http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/Rogues-gallery-of-city-drug.3710940.jp

Roughly 20 named mugshots of local drug dealers banged up recently for an overall total of 60 years. That was the front page. :)

well i :clap: your bottle for posting your coments and yes people DO agree with you but will not post 'cos of the 'PC' brigade:loopy:

but yep if the % do the crime then the the figures must be right

anyhow how much misery have these people passed onto other people dealing 10x10x10 etc

to feed a habit they HAVE TO STEEL/ROB/BREAK IN etc so everyone suffers:mad:

It would be helpful if you could tell us what actually was on the front page of the Star, for those of us who don't see it?

medusa if you go to news and weather on s/f you can read the star evey night for free , just go to sheffield news and click a story and away you go . hope this helps .

Im all for front page of the Star to name and shame, but unfortunately when the serial killers, paedophiles and serial rapist are mostly white, there is not much hype about that fact. So what if most of them are black british, mixed race. Whats your POINT!!!!!
The reason why police can not stop and search these days is because of there shameful disgusting passed in the 70's when the innocent were being punished. You need to stop sweeping things with that broom and look at it all levels.
I would be all for stop and search what ever colour but don't blanket certain scenario's that has made this situation what it is.

Im all for front page of the Star to name and shame, but unfortunately when the serial killers, paedophiles and serial rapist are mostly white, there is not much hype about that fact. So what if most of them are black british, mixed race. Whats your POINT!!!!!
The reason why police can not stop and search these days is because of there shameful disgusting passed in the 70's when the innocent were being punished. You need to stop sweeping things with that broom and look at it all levels.
I would be all for stop and search what ever colour but don't blanket certain scenario's that has made this situation what it is.

I totally agree, well said.:)

Im all for front page of the Star to name and shame, but unfortunately when the serial killers, paedophiles and serial rapist are mostly white, there is not much hype about that fact. So what if most of them are black british, mixed race. Whats your POINT!!!!!
The reason why police can not stop and search these days is because of there shameful disgusting passed in the 70's when the innocent were being punished. You need to stop sweeping things with that broom and look at it all levels.
I would be all for stop and search what ever colour but don't blanket certain scenario's that has made this situation what it is.

get your facts right dj4321gsr the police in the 70's. can not be compared to the curent climate. its nowt to do with the shocking 70's. its the fact that its out of control & its all down to the politically correct nightmare that the master con man aka tommy blair lol rock on tommy:huh:

18 faces,14 of mixed race.The % of mixed race people in this country is approx 15% i believe.
Whatever way you look at it it isn't good reading for the PC brigade.

Serial killers are indeed mainly white.However these are extreemly rare.When a serial killer is being hunted the police based on this fact should indeed look amonst the white population,as i imagine they already do.

However for drug dealers the facts appear to lead elsewhere.

18 faces,14 of mixed race.The % of mixed race people in this country is approx 15% i believe.
Whatever way you look at it it isn't good reading for the PC brigade.

Serial killers are indeed mainly white.However these are extreemly rare.When a serial killer is being hunted the police based on this fact should indeed look amonst the white population,as i imagine they already do.

However for drug dealers the facts appear to lead elsewhere.

But you have to take into account what part of sheffield they made the arrests in and the scale of the dealing, they bust low level dealers next to the market.
They didn't bust low level dealers in other parts of town.
Nor did they bust any big time dealers.
The city didn't change much, the markets improved which is a good thing, but SCC want the markets to be moved anyway.

For every one arrested a further 2 are surfaced. The police r fighting a never ending battle against these petty criminals. but weldone to South Yorkshire Police for taking these low level runts off the streets greatly appreciated.

Not intended to stir anything but both my wife and I were struck by these pictures and thought the same thing independently!

that they were all male?

For every one arrested a further 2 are surfaced. The police r fighting a never ending battle against these petty criminals. but weldone to South Yorkshire Police for taking these low level runts off the streets greatly appreciated.

Well said. They have to start somewhere, and this is a good start. Well done South Yorks Police, what a relief to see proactive policing.

18 faces,14 of mixed race.The % of mixed race people in this country is approx 15% i believe.
Whatever way you look at it it isn't good reading for the PC brigade.

Serial killers are indeed mainly white.However these are extreemly rare.When a serial killer is being hunted the police based on this fact should indeed look amonst the white population,as i imagine they already do.

However for drug dealers the facts appear to lead elsewhere.

do you seriously believe that all, or at least a significant proportion, of mixed race people are drug dealers?

People bemoan the fact that young black men are significantly more likely to be stopped by the police. Isn't the front page of tonight's star a complete justification of this statistic and shouldn't the do gooders seek out crime facts and figures before bleating.

Not intended to stir anything but both my wife and I were struck by these pictures and thought the same thing independently!

Can you see where you are going wrong? Just because there may a high proportion of drug dealers that are mixed race or black it doesn't mean that a high proportion of mixed race or black people are drug dealers.

Just because there may a high proportion of drug dealers that are mixed race or black

is it a high proportion though?

all this is based on 18 photo's on the front page of the star.

how many drug dealers are there in sheffield?

the only people who have tried to sell me drugs have been white

is it a high proportion though?

all this is based on 18 photo's on the front page of the star.

how many drug dealers are there in sheffield?

the only people who have tried to sell me drugs have been white

It is certainly debatable, as with you the only people who have tried to sell drugs to me has also been white people; in nightclubs.

It is certainly debatable, as with you the only people who have tried to sell drugs to me has also been white people; in nightclubs.

It would be interesting to know what research has been done on this, regarding trends, relating to ethnic background, and indeed locality, as others on this thread have referred to. Including, references to the type of drug involved too. Someone must have examined the different factors, somewhere.

So this is why it's been hard to score lately.

Anybody notice how many of the scum were white and how many of em were black,or foreign.........and NO that isnt racism......ITS A FACT!!!

It is a well known fact that drugs are readily available in British jails. Why send alcoholics to a brewery?

get your facts right dj4321gsr the police in the 70's. can not be compared to the curent climate. its nowt to do with the shocking 70's. its the fact that its out of control & its all down to the politically correct nightmare that the master con man aka tommy blair lol rock on tommy:huh:

The facts are right mate, you need to stop ignoring your burden of shame and wonder why, officers find it hard to stop and search. Yes crime has risen, so would'nt it make common sense to stop and search anyone suspicious now for prevention? :loopy:
It is out of control but who are putting the guns and drugs on the street as they are definately not manufactured in Pitsmoor.

18 faces,14 of mixed race.The % of mixed race people in this country is approx 15% i believe.
Whatever way you look at it it isn't good reading for the PC brigade.

Serial killers are indeed mainly white.However these are extreemly rare.When a serial killer is being hunted the police based on this fact should indeed look amonst the white population,as i imagine they already do.

However for drug dealers the facts appear to lead elsewhere.

Paedophiles, computer net grooming football hooliganism and rapists is not a rare crime any more. The only difference is they are harder to catch. do you not follow the news or is this not important for you to grasp. Not sure why you mention about PC brigade as they obviously concern you!!! You are blind by the fact that most of the big king pin drug dealers at the top are white. Once again read my post and you will see that I am all for naming and shaming. The fact of the matter is the majority are of colour should not be alarming. Most of the best sportsmen in the world are black but why should that be alarming considering the low percentage of black people. You sound like a bigot that has found something to chew on.

It is a well known fact that drugs are readily available in British jails. Why send alcoholics to a brewery?

No its more like put people in a brewery and they will come out alcoholics! Many do!

Anybody notice how many of the scum were white and how many of em were black,or foreign.........and NO that isnt racism......ITS A FACT!!!

And your point is??????
Alot of football hooligans, serial rapists and paedophiles are white but nobody wants to highlight that & thats A FACT.
erm that isnt racism either.
I can't find a Jamaican flag or else I would find fly it, lol.

Can you see where you are going wrong? Just because there may a high proportion of drug dealers that are mixed race or black it doesn't mean that a high proportion of mixed race or black people are drug dealers.

At last some one with education!!!!! Great post.

It is certainly debatable, as with you the only people who have tried to sell drugs to me has also been white people; in nightclubs.

True.

The last person who supplied me with drugs was a little old lady with white hair. She couldn't have been more than 4 foot tall.

Mind you, it was in my local Vantage Chemist and the drugs cleared up that snotty nose of mine.

True.

The last person who supplied me with drugs was a little old lady with white hair. She couldn't have been more than 4 foot tall.

Mind you, it was in my local Vantage Chemist and the drugs cleared up that snotty nose of mine.

Should have I said illegal class A drugs?

Paedophiles, computer net grooming football hooliganism and rapists is not a rare crime any more. The only difference is they are harder to catch. do you not follow the news or is this not important for you to grasp. Not sure why you mention about PC brigade as they obviously concern you!!! You are blind by the fact that most of the big king pin drug dealers at the top are white. Once again read my post and you will see that I am all for naming and shaming. The fact of the matter is the majority are of colour should not be alarming. Most of the best sportsmen in the world are black but why should that be alarming considering the low percentage of black people. You sound like a bigot that has found something to chew on.

The PC brigade do concern me greatly.Those are the ones who scream for the human rights of drug dealers, killers,terrorists and paedophiles.

My point is that if statistics point to a group of people the police should utilise this information and police it accordingly.
You wouldn't want them searching pensioners for knifes just to not be seem as anti youth.
The Airports already do this when checking passengers in.A couple with 2 kids flying to Spain aren't going to blow the plane up are they.We all know the kind of person who would do this.

In the 70's a similar kind of thing happened with the Irish coming under greater scrutiny due to the troubles in Ireland.

As for me being a bigot i can assure you i'm not.Scum is scum reardless of skin colour.I just feel that by softly softly policing in certain areas of the city due to the ethnic origin of a high % of its inhabitants drug dealing has been allowed to grow.

18 faces,14 of mixed race.The % of mixed race people in this country is approx 15% i believe.
Whatever way you look at it it isn't good reading for the PC brigade.

Serial killers are indeed mainly white.However these are extreemly rare.When a serial killer is being hunted the police based on this fact should indeed look amonst the white population,as i imagine they already do.

However for drug dealers the facts appear to lead elsewhere.

That was pretty much that I was going to reply with, but its already been said.

Have any of you taken into account how the %age of people from ethnic backgrounds increases as we go down the socio economic ladder?

The PC brigade do concern me greatly.Those are the ones who scream for the human rights of drug dealers, killers,terrorists and paedophiles.



hmmm, what PC Brigade and where do people join?

Do you mean the Tories and Lib-Dems who are arguing against the proposed increase in detention without trial? (Ref) (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7198837.stm)

I am not aware of any bans on the use of stop and search. The Home Office has this guidance (http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/police/powers/stop-and-search/).

Anybody notice how many of the scum were white and how many of em were black,or foreign.........and NO that isnt racism......ITS A FACT!!!

Yes that happens to be a fact. But I think we all know what point you're trying to make, why not just come out and say it?

The PC brigade do concern me greatly.Those are the ones who scream for the human rights of drug dealers, killers,terrorists and paedophiles.


I think you'll find that human rights are there to protect everyone. It's the lawyers and courts who use them to protect the wrong doers. If I were to ever be wrongly arrested I think I might be grateful of those human rights which you dismiss.

Have any of you taken into account how the %age of people from ethnic backgrounds increases as we go down the socio economic ladder?

Absolutely spot on post, poverty is the number one cause of crime, race has nothing to do with it.

Absolutely spot on post, poverty is the number one cause of crime, race has nothing to do with it.bull*"*t poverty has nothing to do with it the number 1 cause of crime is lazy bas*a"ds who cant be arsed to work an wavt money for nothing

I think you'll find that human rights are there to protect everyone. It's the lawyers and courts who use them to protect the wrong doers. If I were to ever be wrongly arrested I think I might be grateful of those human rights which you dismiss.

These rights you claim are here to protect everybody are being used to allow the scum of our society to inflict even more misery on us that's my point.
Soft sentencing and treating them better than they deserve in prison and bending over backwards for them on there release breeds disrespect.Prison is just an occupational hazzard.

Poverty is a factor in why people commit crime.
Bone adle laziness is the biggest cause of poverty.
Greed combined with bone idle lizziness and any form of respect is why people deal in drugs.

Sitting down and talking to these people doesn't work.We've been trying that for too many years.It's about time we looked into doing something differant.
I'd like to see the government reveal the unemployment black spots,park a mobile job centre there and ask everybody unemployed in that area why there not working.The convicted drug dealers this debate started with all come from high unemployment areas.

Instead we pretend there isn't a problem and now and again appease the general public with these little shows and then let it continue.

I haven't always been this right wing.I'm just sick of supporting scum and seeing them laugh in my face.

I thought starting a thread like this might generate some fruity debate! I also thought it might have been axed within 24 hours!! Nice one all contributors and mods for allowing this thorny taboo issue to be debated. I love reading other people's points of view.

It's a very worrying really, I know much is been done from within the communities to try and prevent afro-caribbean and other BME boys from taking this wrong but all too common path into crime.

Long may the debate continue...a refreshing change from the flippant and cynical posts of late

I dont understand why there is so much debate on colour/race to me a drug dealer is a drug dealer and every time one goes to prison at least one other is ready and willing to take their place. That will always be the case when sentences are so lenient. we should adopt a three strike system, start with a community sentence or fine then 3 months for second offence followed by a fixed sentence of 5 years for third. apply this to being caught in possesion as well as dealing and you will see a reduction in drug offences !!!!

The police have only scratched the surface - the ones they have sorted are merely the distributors for the real organisers, like a particular brother team that 'run' Pitsmoor/Burngreave (and unfortunately they happen to be black as well).

As I recall the police operation that is being discussed here, took place in and around Sheffield Markets..

It would be interesting to see 18 mugshots of some drug-dealers from the, shall we say, 'better' areas of Sheffield...

Drug dealing isn't exclusive to the markets - you can find it in any upmarket establishment; even in those nice swish bars that are frequented by the local A list!

The police have only scratched the surface - the ones they have sorted are merely the distributors for the real organisers, like a particular brother team that 'run' Pitsmoor/Burngreave (and unfortunately they happen to be black as well).


Thats exactly the point I was trying to make in my post above.

I think we can all agree that the Burngreave area has a relatively small percentage of white residents, so it's not too mind-blowing to realise that any drug dealer in that area is more likely to be black than white.

And as such, the drug dealers in Ecclesall/Dore and Totley are much more likely to be white.

It's about the geographical target, and in the case reported in the Star, yes it was reflective of the area targetted, but it's by no means reflective of the entire city.

There are a lot of interesting comments, misconceptions, etc on this thread. But everyone appears to have missed the most pertinent point.

Was the Star being racist when it posted the pictures?

Only two of the 18 could be remotely identified as white. The rest were clearly ethnic minority or non-white (whichever you prefer). That could be interpreted in two ways to my mind.

1. is that there are more dealers among the ethnic minorities (for whatever reason) and that the authorities are now prepared to show that fact. Hence the out-of-proportion mugshots gallery (16:2)

2. is that the authorites are simply now prepared to show anyone caught and jailed for the crime as a deterrent.

Otherwise the Star could have posted say, three pictures - one asian, one black, one white - and said that these three were amongst the 18 caught. Which is what they have done in the past, and 'doesn't stir the waters' as it were.

Whether you class this as racism or not, I guarantee that the public perception will be that black/asian people are more likely to deal drugs than white, based on this type of front page. The Star must know that. So why did they do it?

There are a lot of interesting comments, misconceptions, etc on this thread. But everyone appears to have missed the most pertinent point.

Was the Star being racist when it posted the pictures?

Only two of the 18 could be remotely identified as white. The rest were clearly ethnic minority or non-white (whichever you prefer). That could be interpreted in two ways to my mind.

1. is that there are more dealers among the ethnic minorities (for whatever reason) and that the authorities are now prepared to show that fact. Hence the out-of-proportion mugshots gallery (16:2)

2. is that the authorites are simply now prepared to show anyone caught and jailed for the crime as a deterrent.

Otherwise the Star could have posted say, three pictures - one asian, one black, one white - and said that these three were amongst the 18 caught. Which is what they have done in the past, and 'doesn't stir the waters' as it were.

Whether you class this as racism or not, I guarantee that the public perception will be that black/asian people are more likely to deal drugs than white, based on this type of front page. The Star must know that. So why did they do it?

Maybe they just decided to abandon the PC b******s and just show 18 drug dealers caught by the police. They're still dealers regardless of colour. Would you have preferred the Star to keep a few more of the mixed race dealers off the front page just so everyone gets a false idea about which ethnic group the majority of dealers belong to in this particular drug bust? :loopy: If it 'stirs the waters' then so what? It's about time people stopped pussy-footing around issues like this and just showed it like it is without fear of, dare I say, offending anyone. :roll:

It's interesting that thinking about this thread while watching match of the day last night, I was thinking about how over represented black footballers are in the premiership, although when it comes to the total number of men that play football at any level most will be predominantly white...a parallel or not?:huh:

Maybe they just decided to abandon the PC b******s and just show 18 drug dealers caught by the police. They're still dealers regardless of colour.

I agree entirely except for the b******s.

Would you have preferred the Star to keep a few more of the mixed race dealers off the front page just so everyone gets a false idea about which ethnic group the majority of dealers belong to in this particular drug bust?

Problem is the public don't differentiate between this particular bust and all the others.

:loopy: If it 'stirs the waters' then so what?

So, people can get hurt unnecessarily, and stirring the waters makes everything muddy.

It's about time people stopped pussy-footing around issues like this and just showed it like it is without fear of, dare I say, offending anyone. :roll:

I think it's actually the authorities - except the police - pussy-footing around. And I don't believe anyone actually can show it like it is, because no-one really knows.

Bloomin mods deleting my posts all i said was that one was a nasty piece of work :roll:

There will be an opportunity for someone else to move in and supply now. And they will. It will never stop while profits are so high. There is only one way to break the cycle and that is to decriminalise illegal drugs and take them out of the hands of the 'gangstas'.

Bloomin mods deleting my posts all i said was that one was a nasty piece of work :roll:
I wouldn't want to meet any of them in the dark....

There will be an opportunity for someone else to move in and supply now. And they will. It will never stop while profits are so high. There is only one way to break the cycle and that is to decriminalise illegal drugs and take them out of the hands of the 'gangstas'.
Or just kill off the dealers.

Or just kill off the dealers.

That's a bit extreme isn't it? Who else would you kill off, people who cut you up when driving?

There will be an opportunity for someone else to move in and supply now.

But not if they became dead by doing it.

And they will.

Perhaps because they are undeterred by current penalties.

It will never stop while profits are so high.

...and because the profit outweighs the penalty


There is only one way to break the cycle and that is to decriminalise illegal drugs and take them out of the hands of the 'gangstas'.

While the profits are so good and penalties so low, why would they let you?

And why would you do something so extreme as decriminalise illegal drugs?

I wouldn't want to meet any of them in the dark....

mods or dealers :hihi:
I've run into one of them (the dealers) a couple of times in daylight was never a nice experience could have been a lot worse in a dark alley.

mods or dealers :hihi:
I've run into one of them (the dealers) a couple of times in daylight was never a nice experience could have been a lot worse in a dark alley.
When I was a student in the 80's/90's and lived in Pitsmoor, I was shot at twice by them. Missed though, by a mile.

Poohed me pants tho'.

When I was a student in the 80's/90's and lived in Pitsmoor, I was shot at twice by them. Missed though, by a mile.

Poohed me pants tho'.

As would I ! which one was it? not sure if the mods'll let you say though I think they may have deleted my post because I used a name. Although if the paper can name and shame them why can't I? :mad:

And why would you do something so extreme as decriminalise illegal drugs?

Because it takes the scumbags out of the equation. People stop stealing to feed their drug habit. Normally law abiding people don't get criminalised because they like a 'smoke or an 'e'. People who need help can be 'found' and helped. There are so many reasons. Ask Mr Branstrom.

Because it takes the scumbags out of the equation. People stop stealing to feed their drug habit. Normally law abiding people don't get criminalised because they like a 'smoke or an 'e'. People who need help can be 'found' and helped. There are so many reasons. Ask Mr Branstrom.
Ecstasy is a class A drug.... :|

Ecstasy is a class A drug.... :|

A class A drug put into the hands of criminals who have a vested intrest in getting as many people into it as possible, unlike if it were avaialble, taxed and the ille ffects of it dealt with by the NHS. The health service has no interest in making people abuse drugs.

....and the ill effects of it dealt with by the NHS.

I think you'll find the ill effects of it are dealt with by the NHS. Go to the Wicker and have a look at the needle exchange and the methodone they dish out on a daily basis. In my opinion this in no way encourages the user to get off the drug and just gives them either a cheap way to get new needles or a small free stop-gap inbetween regular hits. As far as I know these low lifes are regularly prioritised above standard patients. Can't have them rattling can we. :roll:

A class A drug put into the hands of criminals who have a vested intrest in getting as many people into it as possible, unlike if it were avaialble, taxed and the ille ffects of it dealt with by the NHS. The health service has no interest in making people abuse drugs.
I could agree with this on drugs such as cannabis (doesn't make sense really if I agree with it on some drugs on others but thats the way I feel don't ask me why) but I think making such a relatively new drug legal would be a mistake. We don't know a lot about it and what we do know is that if used OTT it can have devastating effects on the brain. I think if they wanted to do this they'd have do some serious research first. Oh and they'd regulate it's strength or the amount of MDMA in it too so people might end up buying illegal versions of it anwyay - there will always be law breakers after the biggest high. But anyway its not worth dwelling on it aint gonna happen!

I think you'll find the ill effects of it are dealt with by the NHS. Go to the Wicker and have a look at the needle exchange and the methodone they dish out on a daily basis. In my opinion this in no way encourages the user to get off the drug and just gives them either a cheap way to get new needles or a small free stop-gap inbetween regular hits. As far as I know these low lifes are regularly prioritised above standard patients. Can't have them rattling can we. :roll:

What about before Thatcher made heroin illegal? Where doses were administered to addicts for less cost than drug related crime creates and enabled the addicts not only to ahve jobs but to be participating members of society.

Oh wait, thats not right is it, they're scum and you're better than them.

Some people :rant:

I could agree with this on drugs such as cannabis but I think making such a relatively new drug legal would be a mistake. We don't know a lot about it and what we do know is that if used OTT it can have devastating effects on the brain. I think if they wanted to do this they'd have do some serious research first. But anyway its not worth dwelling on it aint gonna happen!

What about heroin where this used to be the case?

Oh wait, thats not right is it, they're scum and you're better than them.

Some people :rant:

:D

Ok not all heroin addicts are scum and many are on the methodone scheme (and afterwards Subatex I think) to get themselves off it, while holding down jobs and contributing to society, which must delight you in the extreme. But you know full well I was referring to the type that take their methodone and either try to sell it on in order to pay for their 'proper' hit or just take it and take their hit as well. This was my point with regards to your comment about the NHS funding but you chose to ignore that didn't you.

Some people though eh? :)

:D

Ok not all heroin addicts are scum and many are on the methodone scheme (and afterwards Subatex I think) to get themselves off it, while holding down jobs and contributing to society, which must delight you in the extreme. But you know full well I was referring to the type that take their methodone and either try to sell it on in order to pay for their 'proper' hit or just take it and take their hit as well. This was my point with regards to your comment about the NHS funding but you chose to ignore that didn't you.

Some people though eh? :)

I didn't choose to ignore it, I just failed to see how lhalf a sentence needed a response.

Can you tell me how much it costs to give an addict heroin for one day if the NHS gave it them? It's cheap enough that we'd actually SAVE money by not trying to get them off it until they wanted to themselves. As for the encouragement, how many rehab centres do you see, how many trained staff can we not afford to pay for while we keep the drug illegal.

Remember that while criminals are in control of the supply, they'll be trying to get as many people addicted as possible. Giving Heroin to those that need it doesn't encourage just anyone to take it and might save lives.

so sad that some people always seeking evidence to justify their prejudices, you want to check out the Bush family's drug dealing activities, and did you ever hear how the white US govt helped Afghani fighters to sell heroin so they had the money to buy guns to fight the Russkies, it ain't all in the Star you know

so sad that some people always seeking evidence to justify their prejudices, you want to check out the Bush family's drug dealing activities, and did you ever hear how the white US govt helped Afghani fighters to sell heroin so they had the money to buy guns to fight the Russkies, it ain't all in the Star you know

Who cares about america we're talking about the UK....:loopy:

People bemoan the fact that young black men are significantly more likely to be stopped by the police. Isn't the front page of tonight's star a complete justification of this statistic and shouldn't the do gooders seek out crime facts and figures before bleating

Are you suggesting that reading the front page of the star constitutes "seeking out crime facts and figures"? I don't think any criminology professor (ie people who have spent their lives studying crime) in the world would agree with some of the Victorian opinions we have had so far on this thread.

Crime statistics are easily available, the problem is they often give a better insight into how crime is measured than into what crime takes place. For example, ethnic minorities might not deal more drugs than whites but because the police search them more often they are more often caught with drugs and therefore the statistics lead some people to mistakenly believe that ethnic minorities deal more drugs.

For example, ethnic minorities might not deal more drugs than whites but because the police search them more often they are more often caught with drugs and therefore the statistics lead some people to mistakenly believe that ethnic minorities deal more drugs.

Well, there's an interesting thread in General Chat regarding the huge increase in heroin production since the invasion of Afghanistan and the role of British in troops of protecting the crop, so that could explain why many young Asians are caught up in it.