I accidentally overheard someone say there were no go areas in Sheffield; it's been freaking me out ever since cos I'm new to Sheffield, can you guys put my mind at ease

If you search the forum you will find the subject of "no go" areas in Sheffield discussed at great length, with the Manor being highly prominent as an alleged "no go" area.

But IMO the Manor gets way too much bad press on here, sure it has its problems, but what estate doesn't?

let me put your mind at rest... there's absolutely no need to freak about anything...

Sheffield is just about the safest and friendliest city in the UK. Don't listen to the scare stories.

there *are* areas, that are less "nice" than others, but there really isn't any total "no-go" areas.

you just have to keep your wits about you, and not place yourself in a vulnerable situation...

ie, if you area student... insure your property, and be security conscious. don't be careless.

this is advice that I'd give to anyone:- don't walk down the street, esp at night, with your mobile phone visible, (and try to have it inside your clothes, with a headset, on vibrate, rather than ring... then it's not attracting the attention of thieves.

stick to well lit areas, don't use back ways, and badly lit areas if you can help it.

it's all just simple common sense stuff.

i am disabled:- I use a wheelchair, and although i am careful, about where I carry my money, phone, keys.... (etc) as I *could* be more vulnerable than most, I don't feel scared, despite what folk may think about me being vulnerable.

welcome to our lovely city, and please, don't fret! ok?

PT

I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR MESSAGES

The only No Go Areas in sheffield are the ones in peoples heads.

My kitchen.

Don't go there. It stinks and if I found you there I'd club your head in like a seal. Possibly.

Bramall Lane on match days is a no-go area for your own good - if you attend that place you'll be open to ridicule the rest of your life...its for your own good stay away :)

Originally posted by Internetowl
Bramall Lane on match days is a no-go area for your own good - :)

I know you say this jokingly (is that a word?!?!) but i used to have an office just off Bramall lane. On match days i sometimes couldn't get to work and couldn't park my car outside my own office.

-PK-

Originally posted by GimmeSomePK
I know you say this jokingly (is that a word?!?!) but i used to have an office just off Bramall lane. On match days i sometimes couldn't get to work and couldn't park my car outside my own office.

-PK-

Must've been something else going on then judging by their attendance levels.:hihi:

The Burngreave Road area is not a safe place to walk at night.

Drivers should also be aware of front seat bag snatchers when they stop at the traffic lights - lock yourself in the car.

Stay away from pitsmoor and firvale and burngreave especially at night.
And if you happen to be white then REALLY avoid these areas at all costs.

Originally posted by royjames
Stay away from pitsmoor and firvale and burngreave especially at night.
And if you happen to be white then REALLY avoid these areas at all costs.


Like I said "In Your own heads",and statements like that only fuel the pathetic ideas that some people have.

I would say that the above statement stinks of racist overtones,please explain why white people should not go through Pitsmoor?,how does this affect the hundreds of white people that live in the area?.

On what information do you have that would reinforce this statement?
Is a statment like this made,purely to create a state of fear in people,or does it have a degree of fact hidden within it?,I doubt it very much.

There are several places you don't wanna go in Sheffield if you don't wanna be scared for life, be warned:

Sheffield Wednesday 'football' ground area,
Starbucks,
Subway,
Hillsborough,
Meadowhall,
Manor Top's Aldi,
Millhouses Tesco on Saturday morning,
Winter Gardens near the stinky coffee place,
Primark,
Stocksbridge (middle ages area),
Kingdom (Townie land),

or you will die of a horrible, painful and humiliating death !

Originally posted by tango2
I would say that the above statement stinks of racist overtones,please explain why white people should not go through Pitsmoor?,how does this affect the hundreds of white people that live in the area?
They drive Subarus, wear Burberry, listen to GLC, they blend in :hihi: :heyhey: :hihi:

:D :D to take with humour ;)

Originally posted by royjames
Stay away from pitsmoor and firvale and burngreave especially at night.
And if you happen to be white then REALLY avoid these areas at all costs.

roy, that is an outrageous comment. (it's total TWADDLE!- as usual)

I am a white person, and I don't find the burngreave/ sutrrounding area at all intimidating!

I have lived there, and I never had problems...


PT

i bet you would at 2am going up spital hill belive me its not very nice :)

Not at all, Panda. In my time, i have done the 2/3 am "wander along spital hill",

nary a whisper of a problem.

PT

Sheffiled does have its bad areas, but like Plain talker says just be carefull at night and you'll be fine.

I sometimes have to go on emergency call out's at night in my lline of work and have been in Sheffield at all hours of the day and night in some of the roughest areas and never had any problems.

Compare that to the night I had to cover Nottingham and was called out by the local Police. They said they would meet me at this particular housing estate and advised me not to come alone.

Another Engineer was called and when we got there we were escorted on to the estate by two Police men who were both armed!!

You wont see that in Sheffield, not even on Viking Lea, which in my opinion is much worse than the main part of the Manor.

I have wandered through most of Sheffield at various times of the day and night, in various states of drunkeness and I have never had any bother from anyone.

I did however nearly get stabbed 5 minutes after getting of a train in Leeds once, in the middle of the day.

Originally posted by royjames
Stay away from pitsmoor and firvale and burngreave especially at night.
And if you happen to be white then REALLY avoid these areas at all costs.

I walk home through Pitsmoor, Firvale or Burngreave every night. I also used to live in Fir Vale and, whilst not pleasant, it was as safe as anywhere I know.

Page Hall and Parson Cross are worse, but I walk there as well.

ive walked alone through pitsmoor and had no troble what so ever. All the drug dealers keep away from every one else because they dont want to attract attention to the area

I think it would be a brave man indeed who dared to venture up Spital Hill or through Burngreave alone in the early hours. I think it is misleading/unfair to tell someone who is new to Sheffield, that they can do this without fear. They can't. Even the police don't go wandering round there unless they are mob handed.

I bet the statistics would show that you are more likely to get hurt in town on Saturday night than in Pitsmoor.

Originally posted by nick2
I bet the statistics would show that you are more likely to get hurt in town on Saturday night than in Pitsmoor.
mornin mavis;)

Originally posted by royjames
Stay away from pitsmoor and firvale and burngreave especially at night.
And if you happen to be white then REALLY avoid these areas at all costs.

If you've been touring the area campaigning for the BNP with a loudspeaker van a hostile reception is quite understandable. :D

I lived in the Fir Vale area for 25 years and never once felt threatened or unsafe.

well like i said ive had no trouble and am female in pitsmoor, alot of the people are imigrants and are just happy to be living in england and are polite and helpful.

Originally posted by manniefresh
I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR MESSAGES

Do you have to thank us in capitals? ;)

Alex

DO NOT! go Pittsmoore, burngreave or Darnall especialy at night. Been there in the day time twice. Got chased out twice. ''Hey who are you? what you doin here''? Me. ''I am gong to EWB auctioneers off Carlisle street''. ''No you are not you are here causing trouble'' Me. Run for bus with two of them chasing me down towards the 75 or is it 76 bus stop. Now I will never go to that sink of an area again. So you think I am frightened. TOO BLOODY RIGHT I AM. I went to the police about this & they had absolutley no sympathy what so ever. PATHETIC waste of tax payers money.

Originally posted by royjames
Stay away from pitsmoor and firvale and burngreave especially at night.
And if you happen to be white then REALLY avoid these areas at all costs.

You're about 30 years too late to tell my next door neighbours then :roll:

Originally posted by royjames
Stay away from pitsmoor and firvale and burngreave especially at night.
And if you happen to be white then REALLY avoid these areas at all costs.

Well you still havent provided any facts to back this statement up,or maybe you just posted it in order to stir the thread up a touch?.
Looks like that didnt work either,most areas are as safe or as unsafe as you want them to be,,,,look for trouble and you will find it.

I take it you wont be going canvassing in pitsmoor then?,cos im sure the locals would accomodate your views with great interest.

Any night in which there is something going on at Niche nightclub. Upon closing time, all of Sheffields non-so clever specimens bail out onto the street to continue their 'gang warfare' and await the arrival of black BMW's with 'gun toting gangsta's who gonna shot your ass' - usually going by the name of Dave or something - who thinks it's normal to act in an ethnocentric way. Go up to Fulwood or Ranmoor if you want to feel safe - decent people and Sheffields nicest area.

It is sensible to avaoid some rough areas (like some of those mentioned above) if you don't need to go there. The danger is that some of the undesirables who live in such places will leave those areas and vist other places so it is not as simple as saying avoid certian areas. The truth is that it is people who are rough not areas and people can travel.

Originally posted by jswr
Go up to Fulwood or Ranmoor if you want to feel safe - decent people and Sheffields nicest area.

also renowned for it's great night clubs, bars, restaurants and shops.

I would say pitsmoor, havelock square, kelham island, mainly for drug reasons, although you get these probs almost every where nowadays, the main problem is being a skinny person who looks like they are an easy target so dont flash the cash in front of dodgy looking people and you should be ok.

Oh not forgetting Darnal, I used to work up there and travelling through that area after 10 pm was pretty dodgy, and bonfire night was a nightmare, there were cars being set on fire and fire works flying all over the place, and that was just the 12 year olds.(reminds me of when I was a kid):)

But to be honest there are not really any no go areas in sheffield although any park after dark could be considered dangerous but it all depends on who is lurking there.

So Panda, when was the last time you walked through or near Burngreave and Spital Hill? Have you ever? Hmmmm, I expect that from the wonderful RoyJames, we all know his views on the world. Magneteer, what are your grounds for such comments? I think it's sad that you talk such crap, I would say go and check the place out as you might be pleasantly surprised but not much point really. Some people are to bigoted and set in their ways to ever acknowledge they are wrong!

Originally posted by neeeeeeeeeek
So Panda, when was the last time you walked through or near Burngreave and Spital Hill? Have you ever? Hmmmm, I expect that from the wonderful RoyJames, we all know his views on the world. Magneteer, what are your grounds for such comments? I think it's sad that you talk such crap, I would say go and check the place out as you might be pleasantly surprised but not much point really. Some people are to bigoted and set in their ways to ever acknowledge they are wrong!


i walked through there a few weeks ago actually if you really need to know:)

hope thats cleared that one up[

Neeek, It's got nothing to do with bigotry. Any adverse comments of a particular area are being made by people who obviously know Sheffield quite well, and who are aware of past events and problems in certain areas one of which happens to be Burngreave. It does'nt mean that all who live in that area are bad etc, of course they are not. We are simply telling it how it is, and I think it is only reasonable to warn a newcomer to the area of the dangers which they MAY encounter in such areas.

Well you seem to have survived to tell the tail. The nice people of Burngreave must try harder next time!

Originally posted by neeeeeeeeeek
Well you seem to have survived to tell the tail. The nice people of Burngreave must try harder next time!

are you suggesting something there ? by the way are you a member of the burngreave regeneration mob ? saw a picture of them in the star a few weeks ago:D :D :D

Not a member of any mobs, good or bad!
Might start one though..
:heyhey:

Originally posted by neeeeeeeeeek
Not a member of any mobs, good or bad!
Might start one though..
:heyhey:

looks like in the future ill have to get a taxi home if i ever miss the bus:o :o :o

I dont even like driving down burngreave the place is so intimidating,you wonder what might happen if you have to stop for anything.
Maybe im over reacting here but I certainly wont go down the place at night time,I used to years ago and even then I was aprehensive.
One night I was approached and told to hand over my leather coat I told him to sod off and he walked off.
Nah no self respecting person goes down there at night time,too risky.

I got lost in Burngreave one time. Found myself walking down a street lined with drug dealing Rastas. Decided that turning back would make me look weak (bit daft I know). First Rasta I got to was trying to sell me summat. "Actually," I said to him "I'm just looking for the chippie." "Straight up this road and turn left." he replied. Seeing that I'd had a chat with first guy none of the others hustled me and I got to my chip shop no trouble. Gotta love the people of Sheffield!

you have to wonder though, how can you say there are no "no-go areas" in sheffield, when there are shoot outs on the burngreave road, stabbings and beatings in firth park and a red-light district within walking distance of the city centre?

I think the best idea is to beware no matter where you are, as it has already been pointed out, bad people DO travel, so never let your guard down especially after hours.

Treat Sheffield as you would any other major city, as a place with many different types of people, some good, some not so good especially at closing time.

Overall, have fun, have a good time, but stay safe.

Many years ago there was a pub called the Catherine near burngreave and it was a notourious place for drug dealing.
Anyway I went there once to meet a mate and when I walked in I was met with silence,I was the only white face in the pub,I went to the toilet and was immediatley followed by 3 large black men who asked what I was doing there.
I told them I was waiting to see a mate of mine and when I told them his name they said ok man we thought you was the filth,I tell you what I **** myself that night.
Memories eh?

you have to wonder though, how can you say there are no "no-go areas" in sheffield, when there are shoot outs on the burngreave road, stabbings and beatings in firth park and a red-light district within walking distance of the city centre?
Then I guess you are a prisoner in your own home then as someone was stabbed in Hillsborough not long ago.


I dont even like driving down burngreave the place is so intimidating,you wonder what might happen if you have to stop for anything.

FFS Roy get a grip, so what is it you find so intimidating?

i never said that you should never go to those areas, i advised that there were times when you should beware of most areas, get your facts straight "neeeeeek"

Originally posted by neeeeeeeeeek
Then I guess you are a prisoner in your own home then as someone was stabbed in Hillsborough not long ago.


Slight mis-use of statistics there, Hillsborough is hardly a notorious area known for knife crime.

Certainly not a place where even the Police are scared to goto...

Slight mis-use of statistics there, Hillsborough is hardly a notorious area known for knife crime.

I was pointing out that bad things can and do happen anywhere.

Certainly not a place where even the Police are scared to goto...

And your source for this information? Oh yes, the fountain of knowledge that is Magneteer.

Haven't found an area in Sheffield I'm not happy to walk through and I've been through them all (been a milkman and a postman) - used to work in Fir Vale & Pagehall everyday. Walked along Spital Hill morning, day and night and never had a problem either. Also been to Niche and it's been fine, Kingdom on the other hand....... :)

Originally posted by neeeeeeeeeek
I was pointing out that bad things can and do happen anywhere.
And your source for this information? Oh yes, the fountain of knowledge that is Magneteer.

Magneteer? I was referring to knowledge from people I know in the force and the Jamie Theaktson narrated program "Cops" *actually*

Its the same in every city, they all have 'ghetto' like pockets where crime tends to outweigh the good that alot if not most the community try and do

Originally posted by RPG

Its the same in every city, they all have 'ghetto' like pockets where crime tends to outweigh the good that alot if not most the community try and do

True. I don't understand why some people refuse to accept that Sheffield has its share of really bad areas that are quite unsafe.

True. I don't understand why some people refuse to accept that Sheffield has its share of really bad areas that are quite unsafe

I can accept that all cities have good and bad areas but what annoys me are people going on about how dangerous Burngreave is when they really have no real idea.

Originally posted by neeeeeeeeeek
I can accept that all cities have good and bad areas but what annoys me are people going on about how dangerous Burngreave is when they really have no real idea.


having lived in pitsmoor twice i can assure you i know i have a idea of its problems every city town has its bad areas some are better than others in this case pitsmoor is one of the worst in sheffield

saying that i do no some nice persons in that area and have been known to drink there :) :) :)

Originally posted by neeeeeeeeeek
I can accept that all cities have good and bad areas but what annoys me are people going on about how dangerous Burngreave is when they really have no real idea.

Ill go along with that,,but I also Go through Pitsmoor,Firthpark,Carlisle St,Grimesthorpe on a daily basis,I have dealings with the locals and to date have had no problems.

If these so called "No Go Areas" are treated with respect,then the area returns the favour.
If you go there with your idea of Ghetos,drugs and prostitues and think that every next person is going to shoot you.
The bad vibes you project will be great,people pick up on these vibes and feel the need to protect themselves,their culture and way of life.

Oh I saw a Policeman on Spital Hill the other day (alone) chatting to some "Big Black Men",they were laughing and joking.
Maybe I was in the wrong area or maybe I was dreaming it,because there were no riot vans.
Maybe his laughter was one of fear and the realisation of his impending murder.

I feel totaly at ease when in areas like this,Im not saying its perfect but alot of other areas are not perfect.

Originally posted by panda79
having lived in pitsmoor twice i can assure you i know i have a idea of its problems every city town has its bad areas some are better than others in this case pitsmoor is one of the worst in sheffield

saying that i do no some nice persons in that area and have been known to drink there :) :) :)

I would feel safer in Pitsmoor,than somewhere like the four greens.
I still recall the Petrol through the letterbox along with a lighted rag,and housebrick through bathroom window while 4 yr old son was in bath.
Car stolen four times,shed robbed twice two attempted muggings,dog shot at the list is endless and all on the same street as well.

Burngreave is far from being a no go area. There are problems in the area and yes if you flash your brand new £300 phone at 2am you may have a problem. The people who knock these areas have probably only driven through at high speed.

Originally posted by tango2
If you go there with your idea of Ghetos,drugs and prostitues and think that every next person is going to shoot you.
The bad vibes you project will be great,people pick up on these vibes and feel the need to protect themselves,their culture and way of life.


so if i go down to the redlight district in sheffield with the idea of no prostitutes will there be none around? and will i be met with some nice 9-5 girls on their way home from work?

i think not and nor should you tell people that sheffield is perfectly safe no matter what, i wouldn't want someone reading this page to end up like the late michaela hague, just through thinking that it was ok to walk through the biggest redlight district in the area!

oh what a lovely rose-tinted world you live in!

Originally posted by tango2
I would feel safer in Pitsmoor,than somewhere like the four greens.
I still recall the Petrol through the letterbox along with a lighted rag,and housebrick through bathroom window while 4 yr old son was in bath.
Car stolen four times,shed robbed twice two attempted muggings,dog shot at the list is endless and all on the same street as well.

but im sure stuff like that gos off everywhere not just pitsmoor longley etc

Those who say everything is fine to new arrivals are doing those people a great disservice,I would not like to think I was giving people the idea that they are perfectly safe in pitsmoor.
Now if these people go down there thinking that everything is fine and they get in to bother I am glad it wont be on my conciouos.

Those who say everything is fine to new arrivals are doing those people a great disservice,I would not like to think I was giving people the idea that they are perfectly safe in pitsmoor.

If they believe you Roy then they will think thye are going to get shot or robbed if they stop the car!

Out of interest Panda how long ago did you live in Burngreave?

You can't judge areas by what people who don't live there say. You need to ask the residents for their views. For instance, I once had need to call the police out to an incidence at the bottom of the tower blocks near the university and their response was quite impressive. I asked them why they came so quickly and their answer was that it's a notorious area rife with crime. They also referred to it as loony towers, don't know why.

Anyone confirm that it has some dodgy residents and that it should be considered a no-go area?

Originally posted by neeeeeeeeeek
If they believe you Roy then they will think thye are going to get shot or robbed if they stop the car!

Out of interest Panda how long ago did you live in Burngreave?

i lived in pitsmoor 77-83 and 94-96

personally i think its the legal/illegal blues parties what are a cause of some of the problems in pitsmoor but as i said in a previous posting i have freinds in pitsmoor and i have been known to pop into the area for a pint or 4:)

lol Max me thinks you are having a laugh ?? Oh I get it you mean around my area,yes we also have some shall we say interesting people .
Loony towers? nothing like insulting all those in the tower blocks is there??
Or maybe just me ,either way who gives a monkeys.:heyhey:

Originally posted by royjames
lol Max me thinks you are having a laugh ?? Oh I get it you mean around my area,yes we also have some shall we say interesting people .
Loony towers? nothing like insulting all those in the tower blocks is there??
Or maybe just me ,either way who gives a monkeys.:heyhey:

Just telling it like it happened roy, if the cap fits ....

i lived in pitsmoor 77-83 and 94-96

I can't coment on the period between 77-83 but can say that the place has come along way since the second time you lived there.. A place can change greatly in 8 years, it's a shame that peoples attitudes are stuck in the past!

There is no such thing as a ‘NO-GO’ area in Sheffield, if there was then there would be signs up by the police or the council saying so. Some of the areas mentioned by people on this thread like Burngreave, Pitsmoor, Fir Vale, Firth Park etc. are all areas of Sheffield that have had a reputation for crime in the past – ‘IN THE PAST’.

For anyone travelling through any of these areas now, they would see the huge difference – not only in the landscape but the non-existent feeling of intimidation. These places have not only grown into prosperous areas but there are people now choosing to attend the education establishments that have been built, new road systems, better housing.

Fir Vale School, Firth Park College, Owler Brook Infants – all award winning buildings with high standards being met year in.

You really need to live and grow up in a certain area to see how other people from the same city perceive your area, every area in Sheffield has crime in it, every city in Britain has crime in it and every country has it’s crime. Usually you’ll find that the only people who criticise an area are those who have never lived there for a considerable time and don’t really know the people.

Certain people from certain political parties are afraid of the fabric that makes up a lot of these areas. If you take a closer look you’ll find that the ‘NO GO’ tag is made up by those people.

Originally posted by jonsastar
I would say pitsmoor, havelock square, kelham island, mainly for drug reasons, although you get these probs almost every where nowadays, the main problem is being a skinny person who looks like they are an easy target so dont flash the cash in front of dodgy looking people and you should be ok.

Havelock Square doesn't exist! Hasn't done for 10+ years! Broomhall has changed a lot, jonsastar. It's much more studenty and friendly. My parents live there, and they're retired professionals in their 70s. They love it. It seems like its reputation has lingered far longer than the reality. I wonder if that's the case with other areas that people are warning about?

Originally posted by Lestat
There is no such thing as a ‘NO-GO’ area in Sheffield, if there was then there would be signs up by the police or the council saying so. Some of the areas mentioned by people on this thread like Burngreave, Pitsmoor, Fir Vale, Firth Park etc. are all areas of Sheffield that have had a reputation for crime in the past – ‘IN THE PAST’.



So there are no longer any bad areas in Sheffield?! Stop kidding yourself.

So there are no longer any bad areas in Sheffield?! Stop kidding yourself.

I believe Ecclesall is pretty bad these days, lots of students so lots of burglaries, car crime, terrible traffic problems...
Oh well, we can’t all live in a nice area can we.

Originally posted by neeeeeeeeeek
I believe Ecclesall is pretty bad these days, lots of students so lots of burglaries, car crime, terrible traffic problems...
Oh well, we can’t all live in a nice area can we.

You mean Ecclesall Rd, not Ecclesall, and even Ecclesall Rd, despite being full of students, is much favourable to most areas.

Incidentally:

Crime and Community Safety
.................................................. ..........................................Ecclesal l.... Hallam .... Dore..........Sheffield Average
Burglary from a dwelling (Rate per 1,000 households)............ 19.4....... 18.3....... 16.8............ 29.4
Robbery offences (Rate per 1,000 population)......................... 1.0...........1.1........ 0.6.............. 2.6
Violence against the person (Rate per 1,000 population)......... 0.7......... 0.7......... 2.3.............. 6.0
Theft from a motor vehicle (Rate per 1,000 population)........... 13.0........ 10.1....... 12.7.......... 18.5
Theft of a motor vehicle (Rate per 1,000 population)............... 2.6........... 2.2........ 2.3.............. 6.9
Source: Sheffield City Council Community Safety Team 2002.

Hallam is now known as the Fulwood ward. If you want safer areas, these 3 are the wards with the lowest crime in the city.

Originally posted by t020
Incidentally:

Crime and Community Safety
.................................................. ..........................................Ecclesal l.... Hallam .... Dore..........Sheffield Average
Burglary from a dwelling (Rate per 1,000 households)............ 19.4....... 18.3....... 16.8............ 29.4
Robbery offences (Rate per 1,000 population)......................... 1.0...........1.1........ 0.6.............. 2.6
Violence against the person (Rate per 1,000 population)......... 0.7......... 0.7......... 2.3.............. 6.0
Theft from a motor vehicle (Rate per 1,000 population)........... 13.0........ 10.1....... 12.7.......... 18.5
Theft of a motor vehicle (Rate per 1,000 population)............... 2.6........... 2.2........ 2.3.............. 6.9
Source: Sheffield City Council Community Safety Team 2002.

Hallam is now known as the Fulwood ward. If you want safer areas, these 3 are the wards with the lowest crime in the city.

I'm suprised we got to page 5 before something like this appeared.
When did Hallam become knows as Fullwood, when people realised that "Fullwood Ward" added another £10K onto the house prices perhaps ?

You mean Ecclesall Rd, not Ecclesall, and even Ecclesall Rd, despite being full of students, is much favourable to most areas.

Awww, just like a hungry piranha fish or a Jack Russell.

:D :heyhey:

If your looking for a crime area just stand at the 75/76 bus stop in the markets and catch a bus towards Fir Vale.

Originally posted by nick2
I'm suprised we got to page 5 before something like this appeared.
When did Hallam become knows as Fullwood, when people realised that "Fullwood Ward" added another £10K onto the house prices perhaps ?

I think it happened before last years council elections when they changed the boundaries around. AFAIK for the next general election, the Sheffield Hallam constituency will be made up of the 4 council wards of Dore, Ecclesall, Fulwood and Stannington (Crookes is moving to Sheffield Central).

Originally posted by t020
I think it happened before last years council elections when they changed the boundaries around. AFAIK for the next general election, the Sheffield Hallam constituency will be made up of the 4 council wards of Dore, Ecclesall, Fulwood and Stannington (Crookes is moving to Sheffield Central).

Isn't Stannington miles away from the three previously mention areas?

Alex

Originally posted by t020
I think it happened before last years council elections when they changed the boundaries around. AFAIK for the next general election, the Sheffield Hallam constituency will be made up of the 4 council wards of Dore, Ecclesall, Fulwood and Stannington (Crookes is moving to Sheffield Central).

It's still called Hallam then, it's not called Fullwood.

Originally posted by amhudson119
Isn't Stannington miles away from the three previously mention areas?

Alex

Yeah, Stannington is at least 5 miles away from Fullwood, Eccleshall, Hallam etc.

Originally posted by sheffield501
so if i go down to the redlight district in sheffield with the idea of no prostitutes will there be none around? and will i be met with some nice 9-5 girls on their way home from work?

i think not and nor should you tell people that sheffield is perfectly safe no matter what, i wouldn't want someone reading this page to end up like the late michaela hague, just through thinking that it was ok to walk through the biggest redlight district in the area!

oh what a lovely rose-tinted world you live in!


At what point did I say Sheffield was perfectly safe no matter what? if you actualy read the posts you will see i did not even say that.
So dont even sugest that I did,where did I sugest that people should walk through the biggest red light light district in the area?,again I never said that either.

Originally posted by mrplodge
Burngreave is far from being a no go area. There are problems in the area and yes if you flash your brand new £300 phone at 2am you may have a problem. The people who knock these areas have probably only driven through at high speed.


Steady on there,you might get accused of telling people to get out there mobiles in Pitsmoor.

Originally posted by t020
I think it happened before last years council elections when they changed the boundaries around. AFAIK for the next general election, the Sheffield Hallam constituency will be made up of the 4 council wards of Dore, Ecclesall, Fulwood and Stannington (Crookes is moving to Sheffield Central).
So what's Psalter in?

Alex

All areas have their problems, some more so than others. As previously mentioned, this thread started from a new comer who doesn't know anything about the rough parts of the city. So lets just give straight answers and be helpful! No bitching or provoking others please!

I personally would not go out at night on my own anywhere. Well, certainly not on foot anyway. I drive almost everywhere now, for my own safety, but despite being locked in my car, with my panic alarm attached to my dashboard, I refuse point blank to drive in some areas. These areas include, but are not in any order: Firth Park, Shiregreen and surrounding areas, Manor, Woodthorpe, Low Edges, Pitsmoor, Burngreave.

Neither would I pull up at any "local" shops to pop to the cash machine. I always drive to ASDA or somewhere similar where I know there's better security and less gangs congregating.

In this world, the trick is not to put yourself at risk at all. If you don't have your own transport, try to stay in well lit areas, carry a panic alarm in your pocket (or some pepper, as my Gran highly reccommends!) and try to avoid being alone. If you're a student, it'll be hard for you to find yourself alone as there's always someone to walk with/talk to etc.

Do listen to the comments on here. Generally people are trying to help you and advise you. Keep your wits about you and stay safe!

Bloominek Caprice, you make Sheffield sound like some New York ghetto in the 80's, I may now be forced to get a armored car and some security, snipers on the roof where ever I go, bullet proof vest, perhaps some form of cloaking device so I won't be seen by the rest of Sheffield who must be out to kill me! Are you a contestant in the running man? Have I missed something? I thought Sheffield was pretty safe but according to some people on here it’s a miracle I am still alive, living in the hell that must be Burngreave!
The poor new comer will be heading for the M1 sharpish!!

:D

Originally posted by neeeeeeeeeek
Bloominek Caprice, you make Sheffield sound like some New York ghetto in the 80's, I may now be forced to get a armored car and some security, snipers on the roof where ever I go, bullet proof vest, perhaps some form of cloaking device so I won't be seen by the rest of Sheffield who must be out to kill me! Are you a contestant in the running man? Have I missed something? I thought Sheffield was pretty safe but according to some people on here it’s a miracle I am still alive, living in the hell that must be Burngreave!
The poor new comer will be heading for the M1 sharpish!!

:D

Oh no don't... you really don't wanna go near the M1. Dear me, are you mad!? Your car will disappear from underneath you while you're still driving! :hihi:

He Caprice you forgot to mention parson cross??
Blimey girl you worse than me lol:hihi:

Lol I do over-react, I admit! I just take the alarm in my car incase I need it when I get out - ie when I arrive at work at 5.45 am (its lonely - believe me!) and the central locking in is cos of the "car jackings" - you'd be a mug not to!

Originally posted by chillicat
Havelock Square doesn't exist! Hasn't done for 10+ years! Broomhall has changed a lot, jonsastar. It's much more studenty and friendly. My parents live there, and they're retired professionals in their 70s. They love it. It seems like its reputation has lingered far longer than the reality. I wonder if that's the case with other areas that people are warning about?

Ive only had a few probs there my self on what was called the frontline at one stage, probably about ten years ago as well, I don't have much call to go down there my self nowadays.

I ve gotta say if you leave them alone (the dealers) they normally leave you alone, I think its probably calmed down since cj's closed, but like I say I don't go down there much any more so you'll have to forguive me if it's all changed.

Anyone know where I can get a tank to drive about in and an MP5 for my protection - seems like Sheffield is worse than Iraq. Better yet lets get the UN to station a peace keeping force here. Makes me wonder where I've been walking about then all these years.

Seriously though, you'll find that if you actually treat people like people instead of scum then you'll be fine. If you look like your about to sh*t yourself then you're a much easier target and are half inviting it on to yourself (no I'm not saying people deserve to be mugged). Be fun to see some of you lot walk around Amsterdam - you'd be gibbering wrecks before long.

Originally posted by nick2
It's still called Hallam then, it's not called Fullwood.

No, you obviously weren't able to read what I said.

The Sheffield Hallam *CONSTITUENCY* is made up of four council *WARDS*: Dore, Ecclesall, Fulwood (formerly Hallam) and Stannington. I hope this is clear enough for you.

Originally posted by Rich
Yeah, Stannington is at least 5 miles away from Fullwood, Eccleshall, Hallam etc.

Not really. Stannington is pretty much next to Fulwood, a couple of miles tops, and remember it's the WARD of Stannington, which joins on to the ward of Fulwood.

Originally posted by amhudson119
So what's Psalter in?

Alex

Psalter Lane is in the Nether Edge ward.

Originally posted by t020
No, you obviously weren't able to read what I said.

The Sheffield Hallam *CONSTITUENCY* is made up of four council *WARDS*: Dore, Ecclesall, Fulwood (formerly Hallam) and Stannington. I hope this is clear enough for you.

No it's not, it's a proposal which will be discussed at a public meeting in March. Whatever the outcome, it will not come into effect until the election after next.

Originally posted by max
No it's not, it's a proposal which will be discussed at a public meeting in March. Whatever the outcome, it will not come into effect until the election after next.

Stannington is the proposed change, but AFAIK the Hallam ward has already been renamed Fulwood? In which case, Sheffield Hallam constituency currently comprises: Dore, Ecclesall, Fulwood and Crookes. Is this the case?

Originally posted by t020
Stannington is the proposed change, but AFAIK the Hallam ward has already been renamed Fulwood? In which case, Sheffield Hallam constituency currently comprises: Dore, Ecclesall, Fulwood and Crookes. Is this the case?

Dore = Dore & Totley plus Broomhill, so 5 altogether.

Originally posted by Captain_Scarlet

Manor Top's Aldi


:D :D to take with humour ;)

It's a Netto :d

mmmmmm, I can see this thread swerving in another direction

Originally posted by t020
I think it happened before last years council elections when they changed the boundaries around. AFAIK for the next general election, the Sheffield Hallam constituency will be made up of the 4 council wards of Dore, Ecclesall, Fulwood and Stannington (Crookes is moving to Sheffield Central).

The constituency boundary changes will be taking place not for the general election expexted in May, but for the one after that. Then the constituencies will (probably) be:

SHEFFIELD, BRIGHTSIDE AND HILLSBOROUGH - Burngreave, Firth Park, Hillsborough, Shiregreen and Brightside, Southey.
SHEFFIELD CENTRAL - Broomhill, Central, Crookes, Nether Edge, Walkley.
SHEFFIELD, HALLAM - Beauchief and Greenhill, Dore and Totley, Ecclesall, Fulwood, Stannington.
SHEFFIELD, HEELEY - Arbourthorne, Darnall, Gleadless Valley, Graves Park, Manor Castle.
SHEFFIELD SOUTH EAST - Beighton, Birley, Mosborough, Richmond, Woodhouse.

Stocksbridge and Ecclesfield will be paired with Penistone.



There was a thread about this a while ago. It's off topic here though.

see here (http://www.mdfs.net/User/JGH/Docs/Politics/ParlReview)

What have the above threads got to do with no go areas. Boring & pointless. I think we have identified the no go areas. Lets then just have some tales about what happens in these dogey areas. Ime ok, I live in Dronfield. Thank god!

Originally posted by Tim42
Ime ok, I live in Dronfield. Thank god!

:) :) :) :) :)

Originally posted by Tim42
Ime ok, I live in Dronfield. Thank god!

Ooh, very posh and ladida.

Doesn't help your spelling though, does it?

Sorry, slightly off topic... but is living in Dronfield supposedly posh!? :confused:

Originally posted by Briano
Sorry, slightly off topic... but is living in Dronfield supposedly posh!? :confused:

People in Dronfield think it is. Cole Aston has the same affliction.

Yeah! I live in Dronfield. Its not posh. Its just very pleasent & safe. Me woman lives at Wybourn. Not posh. where she lives absolutely no trouble, every one really nice. Lots of houses bought from former council tenants. Really good. Oh & yes I am crap at spelling but the aim in writing is to communicate. The thing about spelling is a Victorian fetish about rules & regimentation. Scholars from centuries before were not by todays standards did not spell ''correctly''.

This has been gone into many times, and without wanting to open a can of worms: Yes, writing is about communicating. Communication involves person A saying something and person B understanding it. If person B can't understand what person A is trying to say because he doesn't speak the language, can't read the handwriting or has difficulty understanding the context because of bad spelling or grammar then communication has broken down; person A is talking to himself.
Scholars centuries ago might have written in the way they wanted, but that was because there was no printing and thus no means of communicating to a large audience. With printing came spelling conventions.

While we're at it: what does "dogey" mean? It rhymes with "bogey", doesn't it?

It's interesting how those who have failed to learn justify their ignorance by claiming knowledge is out-of-date.

*Duck to miss the missiles thrown at me*

Thats right! Time for a pint.

Originally posted by tango2
Ill go along with that,,but I also Go through Pitsmoor,Firthpark,Carlisle St,Grimesthorpe on a daily basis,I have dealings with the locals and to date have had no problems.

If these so called "No Go Areas" are treated with respect,then the area returns the favour.
If you go there with your idea of Ghetos,drugs and prostitues and think that every next person is going to shoot you.
The bad vibes you project will be great,people pick up on these vibes and feel the need to protect themselves,their culture and way of life.



Ingenious! lets blame the victims now for being mugged because they were scared!

The last time I was mugged in sheffield was as a naive youngster in filey street Broomhall . So unless it has changed in the last ten years I would nominate broomhall as an area to avoid. Anti-white racist graffiti used to be in the dual carriageway underpass at the time, bidding "white boys" entering a "welcome to hell". There were warnings posted in the YMCA about personal security in the area. But i also know of a student party there where shots actually were fired through the door because they wouldn't buy drugs.

In my view Broomhall at the time was rife with intimidation of young whites.

I agree that it's the people and not the areas that are a problem. My parents live at Firt Park, and other than car crime.. they have never had any real problems.

I live at Shirecliffe which also has a bad press at the moment, and to be fair, I am seriously considering moving. It isn't the area however, but two problem families and the many "gang" members that visit one particular house. Most of these problem youths (and this is the police confirming this... not prejudice) come from Firs Hill, Cookeswood, Southey and Pitsmoor...... as people say, only people are to blame not the areas that get the reputations.

I might add that I work with a number of people that live in the "nicer" areas of Sheffield such as Totley, Fulwood, Dore and Ranmoor, and they suggest that there are youth problems and break-in's, car crime etc in their areas ...... it happens everywhere.

Originally posted by tanith19
I might add that I work with a number of people that live in the "nicer" areas of Sheffield such as Totley, Fulwood, Dore and Ranmoor, and they suggest that there are youth problems and break-in's, car crime etc in their areas ...... it happens everywhere.

Of course it does, but to different extents, as proven by the crime figures here (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?postid=305526#post305526) .

Originally posted by tanith19
I agree that it's the people and not the areas that are a problem. My parents live at Firt Park, and other than car crime.. they have never had any real problems.

I live at Shirecliffe which also has a bad press at the moment, and to be fair, I am seriously considering moving. It isn't the area however, but two problem families and the many "gang" members that visit one particular house. Most of these problem youths (and this is the police confirming this... not prejudice) come from Firs Hill, Cookeswood, Southey and Pitsmoor...... as people say, only people are to blame not the areas that get the reputations.

I might add that I work with a number of people that live in the "nicer" areas of Sheffield such as Totley, Fulwood, Dore and Ranmoor, and they suggest that there are youth problems and break-in's, car crime etc in their areas ...... it happens everywhere.

Well thats as may be, last year there were a couple of shootings at pitsmoor, whatever the reasons for an area's problems we can safely say you're much more likely to be hassled in the street to buy drugs in pitsmoor than what you are in totley,fulwood or dore.

Originally posted by simeon
Well thats as may be, last year there were a couple of shootings at pitsmoor, whatever the reasons for an area's problems we can safely say you're much more likely to be hassled in the street to buy drugs in pitsmoor than what you are in totley,fulwood or dore.


Bloody hell you cant say that,its not PC come on now you will have the mods on your back now.

As a skinny long haired white guy in his mid twenties, I've had more abuse and insults and threats walking along ecclesall road or the middle of town, from trendy types than I have walking around Pitsmoor, broomhall, kelham island area, Hillsborough on match day or any of the supposedly dodgy areas. Also the only area where my house has been broken into is near hunters bar round about. So if you make a judgement off that narrow experience, then it's student areas or nice parts of the city centre that are the no-go areas, not those with high ethnic diversity or the outskirts (which in my book are the nicer parts of Sheffield)

Originally posted by aNTAcid
As a skinny long haired white guy in his mid twenties, I've had more abuse and insults and threats walking along ecclesall road or the middle of town, from trendy types than I have walking around Pitsmoor, broomhall, kelham island area, Hillsborough on match day or any of the supposedly dodgy areas. Also the only area where my house has been broken into is near hunters bar round about. So if you make a judgement off that narrow experience, then it's student areas or nice parts of the city centre that are the no-go areas, not those with high ethnic diversity or the outskirts (which in my book are the nicer parts of Sheffield)

Come off it man!

Been round Ecclesall & Hunters bar millions of time for the past 20 odd years. Never ever ever been in any trouble. 20 minuets in Pittsmoore, yes its the pitts, & i get the beef. Discuss. I am not making this up. See early thread. Oh . Do not go at night.
Good luck.

Originally posted by simeon
Come off it man!

It's true!!!! Oh I did once get my nose broken by a white youth in a baseball cap and tracksuit down near the broadfield pub too, but think he was just jealous of the three women i had with me. :P

S2 S3 S4 S5 worst of the worst ( in my opinion and I'm a mean bitch are) Arborthorne, Manor, Parson Cross , Southey Green Woodthorpe and Burngreave! if I offended anyone I don't realy care

Originally posted by jarvo
S2 S3 S4 S5 worst of the worst ( in my opinion and I'm a mean bitch are) Arborthorne, Manor, Parson Cross , Southey Green Woodthorpe and Burngreave! if I offended anyone I don't realy care

You're an idiot.

Originally posted by simeon
Well thats as may be, last year there were a couple of shootings at pitsmoor, whatever the reasons for an area's problems we can safely say you're much more likely to be hassled in the street to buy drugs in pitsmoor than what you are in totley,fulwood or dore.

That may be true, but on the other hand it's definitely wise to keep a low profile in Totley, Fulwood and Ecclesall, should you be bored into an early grave by talk of "weekend cars", "wine tasting evenings", "stock options", "catchment areas" and "tax avoidance methods". The will to live can certainly dip dramatically when talking to some of these folks.

Even if you survive, it could be enough to turn you on to a mind-altering drug habit.

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED

maybe just maybe some of the problems with pitsmoor etc and drugs could be caused by some of the wealthier citizens of sheffield going to buy drugs:|

Originally posted by aNTAcid
It's true!!!! Oh I did once get my nose broken by a white youth in a baseball cap and tracksuit down near the broadfield pub too, but think he was just jealous of the three women i had with me. :P
Not suprised talking like an idiot :)

Originally posted by panda79
maybe just maybe some of the problems with pitsmoor etc and drugs could be caused by some of the wealthier citizens of sheffield going to buy drugs:|

Whenever there are problems concerning ethnic minorities, it's always someone else to blame isn't it.

Originally posted by simeon
Whenever there are problems concerning ethnic minorities, it's always someone else to blame isn't it.

i have no idea what your on about there maybe you can explain what you meant in more detail

Originally posted by tango2
The only No Go Areas in sheffield are the ones in peoples heads.
try hanging about gower st after 12 o'clock and see if you feel safe

I'm also relatively new to Sheffield, I've only lived here for a few months but I have to say I've found it to be really friendly and safe. Admittedly I've not wandered around too many places late at night. I did however, get lost once at about 3am. A friend and I were trying to get somewhere when we realised he'd lost his wallet, so we got out of the cab about 15minutes from town (it seemed like a good idea at the time!) and proceeded to meander aimlessly through a housing estate for at least half an hour. Now being quite drunk at the time, we thought it was a good idea to stop a passing car and ask the driver where we were. The driver was very helpful, but we managed to get lost again. My friend saw a couple of guys who, if I was being stereotypical, it could be said looked a little unsavoury. I was rather worried, having been brought up in a bigger city and told never to walk around late at night, and never to talk to odd looking strangers. But these guys were so helpful, I really think we would have been lost until morning if they hadn't helped us. Now, I have no clue what part of Sheffield this was, so maybe it was a good area, all I know is it looked like a housing estate of some type. Umm, but yeah, I guess the point of my inane rambling is that I've not found Sheffield to be a dangerous place, and that in a situation where it would have been easy for someone to try robbing us or something, people were helpful.

Originally posted by haggis
try hanging about gower st after 12 o'clock and see if you feel safe

I go through gower st on a regular basis (almost every day and night) no problems (ever).

I must ask why anyone would want to hang around gower st at midnight? its hardly the big social area of sheffield.

the no go areas are as follows,,the manor,,burngreave,,pitsmoor,the wensley estate,,firvale,,shiregreen,parson cross,firth park,longley,southey green etc infact just dont go there full stop unless ya wanna get knifed

quite a silly post pal to be honest, i live on the wensley estate and altho its had its problems in the past its a lot better than it was. as for the other areas i think if you take sheffield as a whole all areas have problems, ie drugs, muggings, burgalry ete. my sister moved to handsworth a while ago thinking it would be better but from darnall right thro to handsworth the drug dealing is terrible. i have a daughter in woodhouse and its just as bad there, unless you have the means to move to the outskirts of sheffield then youv got what youv got. its people what make areas what they are , not the property prhaps the sheffield council should stop dumping troublesome people in the same areas. only problem with that is the folk with the nice areas dont want to no, property values would drop and we cant have that can we??????.

Originally posted by philbot
the no go areas are as follows,,the manor,,burngreave,,pitsmoor,the wensley estate,,firvale,,shiregreen,parson cross,firth park,longley,southey green etc infact just dont go there full stop unless ya wanna get knifed

Can't vouch for most of the areas on your list, but please explain (with evidence) why Longley is on that list. :loopy:

This really is a daft topic. You can go anywhere and potentially be a victim of crime.

Interestingly, I've lived on manor and hollinsend, frequent pubs/clubs around pittsmoor and wicker, yet I've only ever been punched or had a kicking on meadowhead, london road, bed nightclub and hunters bar, not exactly what I would describe as 'no-go ares'. And every time it's been by white scallies.

Originally posted by brooksy
prhaps the sheffield council should stop dumping troublesome people in the same areas. only problem with that is the folk with the nice areas dont want to no, property values would drop and we cant have that can we??????.

No we can't, plus they can't just "DROP" people into houses that are all privately owned/rented anyway.

typicall f---you jack my sides toasted.

Originally posted by royjames
Stay away from pitsmoor and firvale and burngreave especially at night.
And if you happen to be white then REALLY avoid these areas at all costs.

I was used to deliver pizza's around the Wensley estate,Pitsmoor,Firvale etc a couple of years ago and never had any problems Working till upto 1am most nights.I dont want to sound racist but I was told I wouldnt last long being a 'white boy'.
I think in general most areas have there own 'no go areas' that can be a bit rough but Sheffield as a whole is a nice place.

I've lived in Sheffield all my life, never had much trouble. I'd say like a lot cities/large towns, be careful around the ring road as the CCTV and police presence (when there is one) tends to force stuff out to the edges, where students wandering home etc are a more safer bet for muggers... I'm careful below Ponds Forge and round the top of the Wicker, Shalesmoor, Hanover Way, Netherthorpe Road and so on. These aren't the worst places on earth by a long shot, but you'll get a few more undesirables round there than in the centre. Still, I've personally not had any trouble round those parts.

I'm afraid I do avoid a lot of the estates mentioned - they aren't ghettos but a bit rougher than I'm used to, but I've walked through a LOT of places in Sheffield at night... Attercliffe, Darnall, Heeley, Ecclesall, not even seen any trouble. I try not to make a habit of it though in most parts of the city these days.

i am with ROYJAMES on this one if you are white avoid any areas with an ethnic majority as you are likley to get mugged and :suspect: anyone

Originally posted by t020
Of course it does, but to different extents, as proven by the crime figures here (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?postid=305526#post305526) .

There's not even a 2% difference in those figures, hardly anything to write home about. Any chance of the figures for these 'no go' areas?

Originally posted by philbot
the no go areas are as follows,,the manor,,burngreave,,pitsmoor,the wensley estate,,firvale,,shiregreen,parson cross,firth park,longley,southey green etc infact just dont go there full stop unless ya wanna get knifed

I get the feeling you have a lot of growing up to do.

Originally posted by simeon
Whenever there are problems concerning ethnic minorities, it's always someone else to blame isn't it.

so what facts can you provide to back up the theory that its ethnic minorities that cause all the problems?.

This is how careful the animals have to be in Parson Cross.
click HERE (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v689/viking99/forums/doorman.bmp)

Originally posted by craigmason
i am with ROYJAMES on this one if you are white avoid any areas with an ethnic majority as you are likley to get mugged and :suspect: anyone


Im sure you have some sort of proof to back up this statement,if so id love to see it.

Isn't the majority of crime committed by whites?

It's quite sad that in a multicultural society like ours, when things go wrong we still blame anyone with dark skin or eastern accent for our problems.

Originally posted by fnkysknky
There's not even a 2% difference in those figures, hardly anything to write home about. Any chance of the figures for these 'no go' areas?

What on earth are you talking about? Can you not calculate? For example, the City Average for robbery offences is 260% higher than that of the Ecclesall ward. The reason there's not much difference between the wards is because they're the 3 lowest/safest. The point of the figures was to illustrate how much lower they are compared to the city averages, not between each other. :loopy:

Originally posted by tango2
so what facts can you provide to back up the theory that its ethnic minorities that cause all the problems?.

The fact is go to the jessop's hospital area late at night.Tell me what racial groups the pimps skulking behind the hedges are. Walk down William street broomhall.Tell me what racial group the men hassling you to buy drugs are. Do a vox pop survey of every student who's been mugged in sheffield.Tell me what racial group the muggers belong to.

Originally posted by simeon
The fact is go to the jessop's hospital area late at night.Tell me what racial groups the pimps skulking behind the hedges are. Walk down William street broomhall.Tell me what racial group the men hassling you to buy drugs are. Do a vox pop survey of every student who's been mugged in sheffield.Tell me what racial group the muggers belong to.

Well I can tell you that the only hassle I have ever had is from white youths. I only know two friends who have been mugged, both by white youths. My nose was broken by a white youth. The people you see fighting on the streets in town on a friday or saturday night are white youths......... But maybe that's just me.

pointing the finger at one group or the other is about the most pointless exercise imaginable... for example i know plenty of people who have suffered beatings and muggings at the hands of white girls, surely not the most common, but it does happen... the link between reported muggings is that the offender is always a complete p***s and they seldom get caught... even if they do, they will not be held accountable for full amount of their crimes and will be back doing it again sooner than we care to think about.

Originally posted by simeon
The fact is go to the jessop's hospital area late at night.Tell me what racial groups the pimps skulking behind the hedges are. Walk down William street broomhall.Tell me what racial group the men hassling you to buy drugs are. Do a vox pop survey of every student who's been mugged in sheffield.Tell me what racial group the muggers belong to.



at last common sense:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Originally posted by simeon
The fact is go to the jessop's hospital area late at night.Tell me what racial groups the pimps skulking behind the hedges are. Walk down William street broomhall.Tell me what racial group the men hassling you to buy drugs are. Do a vox pop survey of every student who's been mugged in sheffield.Tell me what racial group the muggers belong to.


So based on these few details you conclude that all the crime is committed by ethnics?,I doubt it very much.
I am aware of numerous,lets say somewhat iffy characters,let me see how many are ethnics?,,,,none.
So am I right to conclude that all crime is commited by white people or would that be so so wrong to imagine such a thing.

Originally posted by tango2
So based on these few details you conclude that all the crime is committed by ethnics?,I doubt it very much.
I am aware of numerous,lets say somewhat iffy characters,let me see how many are ethnics?,,,,none.
So am I right to conclude that all crime is commited by white people or would that be so so wrong to imagine such a thing.

No there is a minor detail of national statistics which have black people as being ten times more likely than white people to be committing crime, but only four times more likely to be stopped and searched . There is a therefore a discrepancy in the police response to black crime born out of fears of being accused of racism. In the afore mentioned area around jessops church for example the police patrols have always just driven past the pimps who have the run of the area late at night, inspite of pleas from local residents.

Interesting....! People who are scared of walking through Pitsmoor....a walk which many people did for over two weeks at all times of the night and day when the bus strikes were on. Im surprised some of you have the nuts to get out of bed in the morning.

Typically good old RJ on this very forum isnt exactly a million miles away from Pitsmoor himself. Last time you went there did you wear a sandwich board saying 'I hate N!ggers?'

Originally posted by craigmason
i am with ROYJAMES on this one if you are white avoid any areas with an ethnic majority as you are likley to get mugged and :suspect: anyone

What - and I have been living in an area with and ethnic majority ofr about 5 years now and have so far have completely failed to be mugged, abused, insulted or anything. Even when I gave a rather burly and unknown black chap a lift to a couple of local garages to see if we could find some jump leads for his car he failed to carjack me or steal my wallet. I don't know you just cant get the ethnic stereotypes these days!

On a serious note though I would be rather more worried about living anywhere near Craig in case unthinking, xenophobic stupidity is a transmissible disease...

Originally posted by evildrneil
On a serious note though I would be rather more worried about living anywhere near Craig in case unthinking, xenophobic stupidity is a transmissible disease...

I think you are safe as the prerequisite for his particular brand of racial prejudice is purely stupidity, which is mostly a matter of genetics - just don't have children with him.

Originally posted by simeon
No there is a minor detail of national statistics which have black people as being ten times more likely than white people to be committing crime, but only four times more likely to be stopped and searched . There is a therefore a discrepancy in the police response to black crime born out of fears of being accused of racism. In the afore mentioned area around jessops church for example the police patrols have always just driven past the pimps who have the run of the area late at night, inspite of pleas from local residents.

yes and we all know how reliable National Statistics are,as non whites are in the minority surley it would be true that as a percentage the figures would be higher.

lets say 20% of people in pitsmoor commited a crime,and 20% of people in Parson Cross commited a crime.
Obviously per head the figures for Pitsmoor would be greater than that of Parson Cross Simply because more people live in the area.

I would like to see any coments from the police in relation to leaving the pimps to their own devices at Jessops,surely if this was so the Police just wouldnt go there at all,this would then be a true No Go Area.

In order to gain a true picture I will take you up on your challenge and visit the mentioned areas this evening.
Allthough I have lived in Sheffield for the last 30 years and know the areas you talk about Im confident of the results.

Have a look here for the national crime statistics, you can search by postcode. http://www.crimestatistics.org.uk/output/Page1.asp

Sheffield - Fifth biggest city in England, one of the lowest crime rates, friendliest people. Recent crime statistics named Sheffield as "the UK's safest city." http://www.shef.ac.uk/psychology/newpgrads/whyshef.html

"Official crime statistics give so distorted a view of the real trends and patterns in criminal behaviour that they can be of no use in criminological explanation". http://www.solent.ac.uk/law/crime.html

Originally posted by simeon
The fact is go to the jessop's hospital area late at night.

Hmmm, we all know what you were doing round there don't we...:nono: !

It's funny (strange, not ha ha!) how these threads often lead onto issues of race, revealing personal insecurities amongst folk, but worst of all, gulp, as in this case, sexual habits!!, and that's a FACT! I apologise now if I have caused any offence... :rolleyes:

Originally posted by 1_HotGal
Hmmm, we all know what you were doing round there don't we...:nono: !

It's funny (strange, not ha ha!) how these threads often lead onto issues of race, revealing personal insecurities amongst folk, but worst of all, gulp, as in this case, sexual habits!!, and that's a FACT! I apologise now if I have caused any offence... :rolleyes:

What i was doing round there? Yes i was very unfortunate to live round there in siddall street. And speaking of revealing personal insecurities well it would do if you've got pimps lurking in the shadows every night. One night a pimp threatened to smash my effing face in because i wouldn't give him any money. I called the police but they weren't interested they said don't worry about it "it's just one of the blokes who "looks after the girls".Just call us again if he does anything else.
Within days however two young eager officers had the temerity to stop and question me as i came out of my house. My biggest regret is that when the british national party leafletted the area i wasn't registered to vote.

Originally posted by tango2
yes and we all know how reliable National Statistics are,as non whites are in the minority surley it would be true that as a percentage the figures would be higher.

lets say 20% of people in pitsmoor commited a crime,and 20% of people in Parson Cross commited a crime.
Obviously per head the figures for Pitsmoor would be greater than that of Parson Cross Simply because more people live in the area.

I would like to see any coments from the police in relation to leaving the pimps to their own devices at Jessops,surely if this was so the Police just wouldnt go there at all,this would then be a true No Go Area.

In order to gain a true picture I will take you up on your challenge and visit the mentioned areas this evening.
Allthough I have lived in Sheffield for the last 30 years and know the areas you talk about Im confident of the results.

The same night the pimp threatened me i woke up to find the area cordoned off because there had been a murder during the night. To get a really true picture of jessops you have to imagine that you're laying in bed at four oclock in the morning as the night air is pierced by screams of prostitutes being accosted for money by their pimps. I wish these desperately trendy liberals were made to live in these areas. This was at the time of the macpherson enquiry into stephen lawrence, when the discussion was all about police harrassment of black men. It was plain to me that police far from harrassing black men were scared of them where i live.

I have returned alive needless to say,from my adventures in the darker sides of sheffield.
All visits were made between 10.00pm and 2.30am

Jessops

Sadly I failed to find any black men in pink fluffy brim hats driving pink caddy.
I did however see a few err,lets say ladies of the night and all I can say is,how do they keep there prices so low?.

NOTE:at no point did I take up on any of the various,and somewhat mysterious offers mades to us.

We did at one point chat to one of these girls,who was actually very polite,she did tell us why she did it and why she was raising the money but that is her business and wont be posted on here.
She made no mention of Huggy Bear type pimping and at no point were we chased out of the area by way of sawn off shotgun.

Pitsmoor/Spital Hill

Actually had quite a good laugh on there,two old jamacan guys kept us amused for some time with their stories of the old days and so on.
There was an equal mixture of types in this area and all in all was a trouble free evening and we came away laughing.

Bents Green (Just out of interest)

Within ten minutes of being there,we became harrassed by a group of about 15 youths outside the Chinese.
Various exchanges were made between parties and we left when a bottle was thrown toward our vehicle.

Hunters Bar Roundabout

Nothing much happening in this area,just a few winos at the bus stop.
They were a bit loud but nothing special.

All in all the evening was without major incident and I failed to find areas that were of any great threat.
At no point in the evening was I or any of my party offered drugs.
With the exception of Bents Green no offers for fights round the back of the shops were made.

This evening is the turn of Firth Park,Shiregreen,Ecclesfield,Parson Cross and Chappletown.

We will if possible also attempt to obtain the verdict of the police in mentioned areas.

Please sugest any areas and we will gladly visit them for you.


This is Tango News Live from sheffield

Originally posted by tango2
I have returned alive needless to say,from my adventures in the darker sides of sheffield.
All visits were made between 10.00pm and 2.30am

Jessops

Sadly I failed to find any black men in pink fluffy brim hats driving pink caddy.
I did however see a few err,lets say ladies of the night and all I can say is,how do they keep there prices so low?.

NOTE:at no point did I take up on any of the various,and somewhat mysterious offers mades to us.

We did at one point chat to one of these girls,who was actually very polite,she did tell us why she did it and why she was raising the money but that is her business and wont be posted on here.
She made no mention of Huggy Bear type pimping and at no point were we chased out of the area by way of sawn off shotgun.

Pitsmoor/Spital Hill

Actually had quite a good laugh on there,two old jamacan guys kept us amused for some time with their stories of the old days and so on.
There was an equal mixture of types in this area and all in all was a trouble free evening and we came away laughing.

Bents Green (Just out of interest)

Within ten minutes of being there,we became harrassed by a group of about 15 youths outside the Chinese.
Various exchanges were made between parties and we left when a bottle was thrown toward our vehicle.

Hunters Bar Roundabout

Nothing much happening in this area,just a few winos at the bus stop.
They were a bit loud but nothing special.

All in all the evening was without major incident and I failed to find areas that were of any great threat.
At no point in the evening was I or any of my party offered drugs.
With the exception of Bents Green no offers for fights round the back of the shops were made.

This evening is the turn of Firth Park,Shiregreen,Ecclesfield,Parson Cross and Chappletown.

We will if possible also attempt to obtain the verdict of the police in mentioned areas.

Please sugest any areas and we will gladly visit them for you.


This is Tango News Live from sheffield

You wrote this post before you even went didn't you?

Originally posted by tango2
I have returned alive needless to say,from my adventures in the darker sides of sheffield.
All visits were made between 10.00pm and 2.30am

Jessops

Sadly I failed to find any black men in pink fluffy brim hats driving pink caddy.
I did however see a few err,lets say ladies of the night and all I can say is,how do they keep there prices so low?.

NOTE:at no point did I take up on any of the various,and somewhat mysterious offers mades to us.

We did at one point chat to one of these girls,who was actually very polite,she did tell us why she did it and why she was raising the money but that is her business and wont be posted on here.
She made no mention of Huggy Bear type pimping and at no point were we chased out of the area by way of sawn off shotgun.

Pitsmoor/Spital Hill

Actually had quite a good laugh on there,two old jamacan guys kept us amused for some time with their stories of the old days and so on.
There was an equal mixture of types in this area and all in all was a trouble free evening and we came away laughing.

Bents Green (Just out of interest)

Within ten minutes of being there,we became harrassed by a group of about 15 youths outside the Chinese.
Various exchanges were made between parties and we left when a bottle was thrown toward our vehicle.

Hunters Bar Roundabout

Nothing much happening in this area,just a few winos at the bus stop.
They were a bit loud but nothing special.

All in all the evening was without major incident and I failed to find areas that were of any great threat.
At no point in the evening was I or any of my party offered drugs.
With the exception of Bents Green no offers for fights round the back of the shops were made.

This evening is the turn of Firth Park,Shiregreen,Ecclesfield,Parson Cross and Chappletown.

We will if possible also attempt to obtain the verdict of the police in mentioned areas.

Please sugest any areas and we will gladly visit them for you.


This is Tango News Live from sheffield

What a load of nonsense. Are we really all supposed to believe that, based on your unproved claims, Bents Green is a problem area and in Pitsmoor the good old Jamaicans have a laugh with you and the prostitutes around Jessops are very chatty and polite? HAHAHA. I think I'll stick with the official crime stats and my own experiences rather than listen to your attempt at propaganda (which borders on being libellous), amusing as it was.

Originally posted by t020
What a load of nonsense. Are we really all supposed to believe that, based on your unproved claims, Bents Green is a problem area and in Pitsmoor the good old Jamaicans have a laugh with you and the prostitutes around Jessops are very chatty and polite? HAHAHA. I think I'll stick with the official crime stats and my own experiences rather than listen to your attempt at propaganda (which borders on being libellous), amusing as it was.

Course it's laughable.These lefties don't realise how ridiculous they are. For years and years they've been coming out with this stuff and no one dared stand up in public and tell them it was rubbish. The prostitutes are the salt of the earth and the local blackmen took him for a cup of tea... It must be so nice to be a guardian reader.

"Borders on the libellous" t020?

I think not - Bent's Green is not a recognisable individual or a "body corporate" so couldn't sue for libel in a million years.

Anyway, tango2's post was fair comment IMHO!

Originally posted by tango2
I have returned alive needless to say,from my adventures in the darker sides of sheffield.
All visits were made between 10.00pm and 2.30am

Jessops

Sadly I failed to find any black men in pink fluffy brim hats driving pink caddy.
I did however see a few err,lets say ladies of the night and all I can say is,how do they keep there prices so low?.

NOTE:at no point did I take up on any of the various,and somewhat mysterious offers mades to us.

We did at one point chat to one of these girls,who was actually very polite,she did tell us why she did it and why she was raising the money but that is her business and wont be posted on here.
She made no mention of Huggy Bear type pimping and at no point were we chased out of the area by way of sawn off shotgun.

Pitsmoor/Spital Hill

Actually had quite a good laugh on there,two old jamacan guys kept us amused for some time with their stories of the old days and so on.
There was an equal mixture of types in this area and all in all was a trouble free evening and we came away laughing.

Bents Green (Just out of interest)

Within ten minutes of being there,we became harrassed by a group of about 15 youths outside the Chinese.
Various exchanges were made between parties and we left when a bottle was thrown toward our vehicle.

Hunters Bar Roundabout

Nothing much happening in this area,just a few winos at the bus stop.
They were a bit loud but nothing special.

All in all the evening was without major incident and I failed to find areas that were of any great threat.
At no point in the evening was I or any of my party offered drugs.
With the exception of Bents Green no offers for fights round the back of the shops were made.

This evening is the turn of Firth Park,Shiregreen,Ecclesfield,Parson Cross and Chappletown.

We will if possible also attempt to obtain the verdict of the police in mentioned areas.

Please sugest any areas and we will gladly visit them for you.


This is Tango News Live from sheffield



tango if you like thse less than savoury areas so much why dont you buy a house there you can a left wing love in :loopy: :loopy: :loopy: :loopy:

Originally posted by t020
What a load of nonsense. Are we really all supposed to believe that, based on your unproved claims, Bents Green is a problem area and in Pitsmoor the good old Jamaicans have a laugh with you and the prostitutes around Jessops are very chatty and polite? HAHAHA. I think I'll stick with the official crime stats and my own experiences rather than listen to your attempt at propaganda (which borders on being libellous), amusing as it was.


Ahhh,there you go see.

I never said Bents Green was a problem area,I only stated that one incident (if you can call it that) occured.

all in all everywhere was trouble free as I wouldnt class a group of youths outside a chipshop as being a major crime area.

Originally posted by simeon
Course it's laughable.These lefties don't realise how ridiculous they are. For years and years they've been coming out with this stuff and no one dared stand up in public and tell them it was rubbish.

Aw diddums, were you scardy werdy of those nasty lefties even when Maggie had a majority of over a 100.

Originally posted by t020
What a load of nonsense. Are we really all supposed to believe that, based on your unproved claims, Bents Green is a problem area and in Pitsmoor the good old Jamaicans have a laugh with you and the prostitutes around Jessops are very chatty and polite? HAHAHA. I think I'll stick with the official crime stats and my own experiences rather than listen to your attempt at propaganda (which borders on being libellous), amusing as it was.

Were you born without an anus, because it looks like your backing up and its overflowing from your mouth.

Can you tell us on which grounds his personal experience (and opinion) borders libellous? I trust you will show us some case law to back up your claims.

:rolleyes:

Originally posted by panda79
tango if you like thse less than savoury areas so much why dont you buy a house there you can a left wing love in :loopy: :loopy: :loopy: :loopy:

I never said I liked the areas that much did I?,and as for being a leftie,,,,tut,tut, well i never.

I was just saying it as I saw it,maybe even taking the rise a little but people are so uptight they fail to see that.

Dont forget it aint that long since I was petrol bombed from my own home in Longley, do I give a toss?,,,,not realy as I still live close to Longley and Sh*t happens.

Originally posted by simeon
You wrote this post before you even went didn't you?

Hardly when I posted it this afternoon,last night was yesterday and this afternoon was today

At least in my diary it is,what day is it in your world?

Originally posted by tango2
I never said I liked the areas that much did I?,and as for being a leftie,,,,tut,tut, well i never.

I was just saying it as I saw it,maybe even taking the rise a little but people are so uptight they fail to see that.

Dont forget it aint that long since I was petrol bombed from my own home in Longley, do I give a toss?,,,,not realy as I still live close to Longley and Sh*t happens.

the thing is you passed off a few hours in pitsmoor and the hookers area as the truth maybe you should spend 24 hours there just to a real feel of what the areas like rather than just a few hours

Originally posted by panda79
the thing is you passed off a few hours in pitsmoor and the hookers area as the truth maybe you should spend 24 hours there just to a real feel of what the areas like rather than just a few hours

ok ill grab the tent out as there is a bit of grass at the side of East House Pub,,,do they do food in there? incase I get hungry lol

Originally posted by tango2
ok ill grab the tent out as there is a bit of grass at the side of East House Pub,,,do they do food in there? incase I get hungry lol

dont the east house do b@b im sure if you ask them nice they might give you a room for the night:)

okee dokee will do,,,,lol:D

Originally posted by tango2
okee dokee will do,,,,lol:D


maybe we could do a 24 hour stop in a not very nice area thon to see what happens


im game for it:loopy:

Originally posted by panda79
maybe we could do a 24 hour stop in a not very nice area thon to see what happens


im game for it:loopy:


only if royjames agrees to come along for the ride.

Originally posted by tango2
only if royjames agrees to come along for the ride.


i think roy james gets too much bad press on here im sure he is a nice guy really maybe we should have a meet up just make sure the bar has fine irish stout then ill pop in for a bit:)

My back garden is a No Go Area,because its mine so you lot cant go in it,,,,,so there.
Anyway as far as Pitsmoor goes,I do visit the area quite alot as we have friends that live in the area.
I have never seen anything to make me fearfull of the area,allthough I am aware of minor incidents from time to time,but nothing greater than the screaching cars of good old southey and the 12 yr old Pi*s heads out side the co-op,,oh happy days.

Originally posted by panda79
maybe we could do a 24 hour stop in a not very nice area thon to see what happens


im game for it:loopy:

Maybe you do have to live in the area rather than just breeze through in your car. The housing association that owns the appartment block in siddall street can tell you all about the problems. They had to redesign the doorways because pimps and prostitutes used to hang round the doors and come into the lounge. Even though it was a nice modern building people just used to abandon their flats there because they couldn't live with it anymore.

Getting back to the thread though, I would hardly class Broad Lane (Siddall Street is just off it) as a "no go" area - those flats are bang opposite the old church which has been converted into student accommodation for some years now, hardly the most threatening place in Sheffield.

Originally posted by Longcol
Getting back to the thread though, I would hardly class Broad Lane (Siddall Street is just off it) as a "no go" area - those flats are bang opposite the old church which has been converted into student accommodation for some years now, hardly the most threatening place in Sheffield.

The old church used to be st george's lecture hall. The area might be on the student map during the day but used to change character dramatically at night when the prostitutes and pimps arrive.

I walk past regularly on the way home from the Red House at night and never have any bother.

Hardly what I'd call a "no go" area.

Originally posted by Longcol
I walk past regularly on the way home from the Red House at night and never have any bother.

Hardly what I'd call a "no go" area.

Well i had bother there, is it so true that the swaggering pimps have moved on from the late nineties when i lived there.,I got chased up the road by a pimp who crossed the road to me and kept calling out "YO" ... "YO! i want to talk to you. "It's been my experience as a young white that being so addressed by black people in the street in the dead of night is the prelude to an unpleasant experience.

I'm sure there are worse areas. Afterall i doubt either the prostitutes or the pimps are local to netherthorpe. But it's no consolation when it's going on outside your window.

Originally posted by t020
What on earth are you talking about? Can you not calculate? For example, the City Average for robbery offences is 260% higher than that of the Ecclesall ward. The reason there's not much difference between the wards is because they're the 3 lowest/safest. The point of the figures was to illustrate how much lower they are compared to the city averages, not between each other. :loopy:

Depends how you look at them though doesn't it you prat.

I was referring to as a percentage how many people were affected by crime so for your example of robbery - in Dore (the lowest) 0.1% of people were robbed where as the city average is still only 0.26% - a difference of 0.16% which is hardly a massive amount. I'm pretty sure you knew exactly what I was on about you just like being an arsehole and don't want to accept that there isn't much of a difference there. I'd still like to see the figures for the worst areas in Sheffield.

I attended a meeting tonight that had the local uniformed police inspector in attendance.

He gave us some figures that show, overall, in the locality of sharrow nether edge , crime is down by 12%

Which is heartening news, and confirms what I have been saying about this area not being so bad, really.

PT

Originally posted by fnkysknky
Depends how you look at them though doesn't it you prat.

I was referring to as a percentage how many people were affected by crime so for your example of robbery - in Dore (the lowest) 0.1% of people were robbed where as the city average is still only 0.26% - a difference of 0.16% which is hardly a massive amount. I'm pretty sure you knew exactly what I was on about you just like being an arsehole and don't want to accept that there isn't much of a difference there. I'd still like to see the figures for the worst areas in Sheffield.

But when the chance is 2.6 times higher (as is the case in your example) I'd say it was a significant difference.

I too would love to see the crime figures for the worst areas, but unfortunately, surprisingly enough, Sheffield council isn't quite so forthcoming with them.

PS. Don't resort to petty name calling, you only make yourself look like one.

t 20

Sharrow is considered an "area 4 priority",

Which means it is classified as an area of particular socio-economic deprivation, with certain "special" funding being necessary to support the area in education, in crimefighting, and social / health too.

And...

(quelle suprise) if you *read* my above post, you will see that I have already said that the local inspector has given us the figure that crime generally is on the downturn, and that in this area crime has reduced overall by 12%

that's a figure....

and a fact for you

How much more do I need to do? List every last incident, that occured in this area and the specific police response?

Crime.

In.

This.

District.

Has.

Reduced.

By.

(shouts)

12 %

ok.....?

PT

PT - I don't really see how your comments are related to what I was saying in my last couple of posts, which were in response to fnkysnky. However, I can respond to your post (despite its seeming irrelevance to mine) by pointing to the crime figures of Sharrow. For example, in 2002, robbery offences per 1000 were 12.3 compared to a city average of 2.6. That's also a FACT. That's almost FIVE TIMES the city average. Even with the "impressive" fact you threw my way, i.e. a reduction by 12%, that still leaves 10.8 per 1000 so still more than FOUR times the city average. They're the FACTS.

8) Nah Den Ace....

Ecclesall is a bit rough. Wasn't there a well publicised murder there a while ago? Near the old brewery?

I certainly won't be walking the roads of Ecclesall after dark.

Regards,

Spacehopper.

oh, t20...

(shakes head, slowly)

what is it about your compulsion of deriding pretty much everywhere in Sheffield that isn't Eccleshall?

if Sheffield is so bad, and so scary, why is it such a popular choice for working and studying in? sheffield is a great city. and i fail to see why it should be pulled to bits, and (falsely) accused of being some kind of druggy, pimp-y teenage-mum filled hell hole.

If you consider it to be so bloomin' awful, don't live there, it's as simple as that...

Oh, i forgot, you already have your little "ivory tower", don't you...

(sighs, exasperatedly)

PT