Just seen a new build in 3 bed semi in Norfolk Park advertised for £130k.

I understand that these are part of a regeneration project.

1) Is this a high crime area?
2) How long would it take to walk from there to the Moor?
3) I would be interested in any general opinions from local residents about Norfolk Park as a place to live
4) Is the regeneration project succesful?
I would guess that a lot of newcomers from outside the area are coming in.
Are they getting on Ok with the established locals or are there tensions?

I have lived on Norfolk Park for over 10 years now. I have seen hardly any occurrences of crime since i moved here.

It would take me approx 15 mins to get to the Moor from my house (new build). The tram is a better option unless you want to get to the bottom of the Moor.

IMO, i don't think the regeneration is being managed too good at the moment. This could be leading to people not being happy at the moment (i have been living with a wooden fence in front of my house for the last 12 months).

Being an 'established' tenant, i would have to say that i have not noticed any tensions at all between the new tenants and the old tenants. In my opinion, the more new tenants we get the better!.

If you decide to buy the house, i offer a big fat welcome to you!

:clap:

Thanks very much for the info Vidster and the welcome!

Hi JoGenn

I'm one of said newcomers to Norfolk Park. I moved out of a city living apt into a 3 bed property in October and I'm very happy here. In response to your questions:

1) I think it's o.k. for crime. I've had no problems not even small ones - it seems kinda friendly and family really. Be warned that the area does have a bad rep from when there used be tower blocks and dodgy people (before the new development).

2) I'd guess a 30 - 40 min walk from the moor. I can do the station in about 20 mins so I'm guessing. Although there are trams every 7 minutes.

3) I think it's cool. Peaceful and chilled but close enough to town to make you feel you're not miles away from the action. Nice views too.

4) Haven't got a clue, but I think they've got the mix of people right. Some of the properties are rented to students, others are owned by young(ish) professionals like me, there are a good number of families too. And of course there are the old-school Norfolk Parkians like Vidster.

I can't see why anyone wouldn't like it here... But I'm biased.

p.s. am not selling or anything. I do genuinely like it here and wish people would realise that this area is now very different since the regeneration.

It actually does sound very interesting.
Close to town and a 3 bedroom new build for 130k, that's great value and has to be interesting!

It sounds like Sheffield has been succesful with its regeneration plans here which has got to be good news for everyone

I've promised never to bad-mouth the Norfolk Park regeneration development again, and I will keep that promise, but have you checked out the Bellway Homes Parkland's development just a bit further up the road off City Road in Manor?

You can get NHBC approved new build houses there for about £100k- £30k less than on the Norfolk Park development. The Parklands development is a similar urban regeneration scheme to the Norfolk Park development (with much better looking properties, see: http://212.50.188.108/cgi-win/vebra.cgi?details1?src=vebra&PropertyCode=1104001/BASSL/21232/2 and http://www.martinco.com/property/lettings/sheffieldsouth/mcp945).

The big long discussion about the Norfolk Park develoment vs the Bellway development can found here: http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=16745

Based on what I've seen from the property pages of Sheffield based estate agency websites (Halifax, Blundells, Haybrook, Saxton Mee)- these new build properties are selling like hot cakes and the Bellways sales office on the Parklands site is always really busy with potential buyers!

The Bellways page about the development can be found at: http://www.bellway.co.uk/ (Click on 'Yorkshire', then locate the Parklands development on the webpage that appears)

Lib1

Lib1, the links that you have posted up of Parklands show 2 bed mid town houses, this is in contrast to the houses that Jogenn has described:
*3 bedrooms
*with garage
*semi detached not terraced

This looks like you're comparing eggs with coconuts!

You also highlight that there is a £30K difference in price between the two developments. Comparing your link that shows the house at Parklands, advertised by Saxtonmee (£99,950) for a 2 bed mid terrace with a new build 2 bed property, end town house on the Gleesons development at Norfolk Park (£105,000 advertised with Blundells), also end terraces are generally perceived to be more desirable than mid terraces, wouldn't you agree that the research you have highlighted is completely flawed?!

Looks to me like there's a £5K price gap, and that's probably reflective of the fact that an end town house is worth more than a mid town house!

BertieBasset-

If you had even bothered to have read my message properly before going off on a rant, you would know that the links that I sent were only supposed to show what the houses on the development look like- see the Brompton and the Grosvenor houses on the Bellways site for details of houses with:

*3 bedrooms
*with garage
*semi detached


In addition, if you had bothered to follow the Bellways link, you would have seen that the most expensive houses (ie- the 3 bed, semi-detached houses) on the development are selling for £108,995- £21,000 less than the Norfolk Park ones. The price has gone up since the last time that I checked, but they were around £100,000 before Xmas (just shows how well the development is doing, so there is no need to apologise for the mistake!)

So there!

Get yer facts straight next time!

Lib1

I've just bought one of the three bedroom 'suffolk' houses on there. There are only a few left, so if you do decide to buy one we'll be neighbours !

I've lived on Norfolk Park before and did loads of research before plumping for this development. For my mind, the location is excellent, the homes are perfect for my needs, the problems previously associated with the area are no longer there, the houses are great value, and the area will only get better. Feel free to PM me with any questions and i'll help you if I can (including telling you the deal they gave me to get me to sign up for one).

Rob

Lib1 re-read what I wrote, it's all factually correct, you were just a remiss about what you were saying...be more comprehensive in your arguments next time.....

P.S. it wasn't a rant! You're just easy to wind up..... :heyhey:

BertieBasset, my message was clear enough to the intended recipient jogenn (I received a PM for him/her asking for more details).

Your criticism of my message was stupid and unneccessary. I've re-read your message, it is not 'factually correct'- it is reactionary and rash.

Be more careful next time

words like "stupid" in the context you're using it here often indicates someone's losing an argument and just feels frustrated...just chill :suspect: .

I compared 2 bed properties on the two developments using your own links as comparisons, what's stupid about that? You're not working in the sales office of Parklands are you....:hihi:

"Lib1, the links that you have posted up of Parklands show 2 bed mid town houses, this is in contrast to the houses that Jogenn has described:
*3 bedrooms
*with garage
*semi detached not terraced"

and

"wouldn't you agree that the research you have highlighted is completely flawed?!"

This is what the 'stupid' statement was in reference to. I am not riled or frustrated by the comments- the comments you made are irrelevant to the specific context of my message. The fact that two-bed houses only show a £5000 difference between the developments is also irrelevant. As you so obnoxiously pointed out, jogenn is looking for a three bed semi.

Just admit that you were wrong. Your reaction is so transparent- you made a mistake in unnecessarily criticising my message and now you're trying to take attention away from yourself. I'm sure that everyone reading this discussion can see that very clearly.

Whether or not jogenn decides to buy on the Parklands development is his/her decision- I only highlighted it as a cheaper alternative to the Norfolk Park Development. My post had nothing at all to do with you and you have contributed nothing of use or of relevance to the discussion.

Lib1

re-read your messages and pick up on the tone of them, you come across as being very defensive and aggressive.

On an earlier thread you wrote, "You can get NHBC approved new build houses there for about £100k- £30k less than on the Norfolk Park development", on a later reply you have worked this down to £21,000....any advances? I said you shouldn't compare eggs with coconuts and I also suggested what you originally wrote was flawed....Please re-read and you'll see this.

Let people form their own opinions. By the way this is a forum, that's why you post up your contribution rather than just emailing back to the original thread starter...and that's what I did!

Duh

BertieBasset, my 5 year old nephew has more maturity than you. Again, I'm sure that everyone on the list can see this.

JoGenn I apologise for the broken thread of your message.

I hope that the information that you found was useful.

Lib1

rather than providing convincing arguments you seem to prefer insults.... :loopy:

Right this is my last message on this topic-

Yes, I initially made a mistake in the price of a 3 bed semi on the Parklands development (saying they were approx £100,000-which they actually were the last time that I checked in December!) , but then I (not you!!!) corrected this mistake:

"the most expensive houses (ie- the 3 bed, semi-detached houses) on the development are selling for £108,995- £21,000 less than the Norfolk Park ones. The price has gone up since the last time that I checked, but they were around £100,000 before Xmas (just shows how well the development is doing, so there is no need to apologise for the mistake!)"

Unconvincing argument? £21,000K difference in price? PLEASE!

And that's it- that's all you've been blathering on about in each of your posts!

You say I'm comparing eggs with coconuts, I say that you have egg on your face!

Get a life mate!

I'm not insulting you. On this particular topic, I'm just putting you in your place.

Yes, this is a discussion forum, but by unnecessarily trying to discredit me and by not contributing anything of worth or use to Jogenn's query, you're just making yourself look like an idiot.

Lib1

PS- Can you actually manage to write a post WITHOUT any cheesy icons- grow up!

Just a quick question about the new houses on Norfolk Park. Are they all privately owned or are some "council houses"? I am sure I saw something when they were first been built about this but can't find anything now so I may have imagined it.

Well done Lib1 in admitting that you were wrong, I bet it feels like a weight's been lifted off your shoulders....:thumbsup: we're only after truth and accuracy :wink:

Hi March, some of the houses are owned by a housing association.

I OPENLY admitted that I had made a mistake in my SECOND message on this discussion thread:

"the most expensive houses (ie- the 3 bed, semi-detached houses) on the development are selling for £108,995- £21,000 less than the Norfolk Park ones. The price has gone up since the last time that I checked, but they were around £100,000 before Xmas (just shows how well the development is doing, so there is no need to apologise for the mistake!)"

Do you have difficulties in reading or something?

you do as in your penultimate post you said..."Right this is my last message on this topic"

you just can't help yourself can you....:hihi:

Originally posted by march
Just a quick question about the new houses on Norfolk Park. Are they all privately owned or are some "council houses"? I am sure I saw something when they were first been built about this but can't find anything now so I may have imagined it.

I asked the same question in the Norfolk Park Sales office the other day when I signed up. The new houses/apartments on the Norfolk Park development are mainly private although there are some Housing Association owned properties there as well. I would say it is about 75% private.

In my message, I also said:

"by unnecessarily trying to discredit me and by not contributing anything of worth or use to Jogenn's query, you're just making yourself look like an idiot"

"Can you actually manage to write a post WITHOUT any cheesy icons- grow up!"

You can't help yourself either, can you?

i just like seeing you go off on one....:headbang: :clap: :banana: :loopy:

Bertie... you PM'd me but I couldn't reply cos I have less than 5 posts. The deal was worth £1.5k in total - I don't know whether that's any good but it I was happy cos I was going to sign anyway. Plus, there's no stamp duty to pay and the kitchen comes with a nice new Smeg fridge freezer - both were a pleasant surprise.

Cheers,

Rob

Hi mrinvestigat,

sounds like it was a deal worth having. I think Norfolk Park as an area is very undervalued. The problems in the past were predominantly down to the tower blocks and the last one goes in April '05, take that out of the equation and the properties look very undervalued....you just need to look at the Queens Tower Development to see that private developers also rate the area.

Thanks again for the info.

Rgds

Bertie

Originally posted by BertieBasset
i just like seeing you go off on one....:headbang: :clap: :banana: :loopy:

Cos you have nothing better to do????????

Sorry just flicking through threads and noticed a top class w**ker and just thought id tell you that you sir are a very petty individual. Well that made me feel better...aahhhhh.

maybe you should take your frustration out on some of your toys...:heyhey:

MissRabbit, glad you noticed that BertieBasset is an idiot.

Just ignore BertieBasset, he (or possibly she?) is just a very sad attention-seeker!

Lordy.

This has turned into a bit of a fierce debate.

Anyway I've got a question for you Lib1 - and I'm being polite here and not trying to start a fight - can I ask what your interest is Parklands?

I've admitted my interest in Norfolk Park - I live here and like it. I'm just interested in the fact that you do express your opinion about Norfolk Park vs Parklands whenever the opportunity presents itself (note the title of this thread is New Houses in Norfolk Park not in Parklands).

My view is that an area is worth as much as people are prepared to pay for it? Why is a studio flat in Chelsea selling for £350,000? When compared to a three bedroomed place in Sheffield, that's so overvalued! But people will still pay that!

The same (to a lesser extent) goes for Norfolk Park surely.

Anyway as I say I don't want to fight with you coz you're fiery and scary and tend to always win arguments. I just want to know your interest.

Cheers

Peter

Hey E-Man Grooving-

Similarly to your interest in the Norfolk Park Development, my interest in Parklands is that I've bought an apartment there (it still hasn't finished been built yet though!).

When I first started visiting the Parklands development, I used to pass the Norfolk Park Development on the tram and genuinely thought (no insult intended- I promise) that it was a new council estate development (due to the colour/shape of the buildings). I'm orginally from a small working class town outside of Manchester and the newer council estates there look v. similar to the Norfolk Park Development buildings.

I was astounded to learn that it was a private development and I was even more flabbergasted to hear how expensive they were!

Nobody seemed to have heard of the Parklands development, everyone was championing the Norfolk Park Development, so my original question 'What's so special about Park Grange Mount' was to find out why.

I never actually did receive a satisfactory reason!

I'm not scary and I don't always win arguments. BertieBasset was just a weak opponent. I have nothing but respect for you- although I do admit that I enjoyed bantering with you earlier!

Lib1

I completely take your point that 'an area is worth as much as people are prepared to pay for it'.

But if there is an equal urban regeneration area down the road with the same quality, the same guarantee (ie- NHBC approval), better looking houses, more privacy (you can see the Norfolk Park Devlopemnt coming at you from a mile away- and it's on a major road), and with CHEAPER PRICES... wouldn't you go for the less expensive option?

Lib1

Oooh dear this might be dangerous but I'm going to debate with you again...

I'll be honest with you, when I was looking at Norfolk Park I wanted somewhere that made me feel that I was still reasonably in touch with the city centre (as I was moving from Royal Plaza on West Street). I do walk to and from town and sometimes and when I can't get a taxi at the end of a night the walk back to Norfolk Park isn't so bad.

I thought the design of the Norfolk Park wasn't too disimilar to a lot of the new builds in the city centre. There are a lot of people who don't like those - "Lego" is a phrase that is often used to describe developments like West One etc. I personally like that and it's all about personal taste isn't it? There are other positives such as having Norfolk Park itself at the back of the development, as well as the tram stop opposite.

The clincher for me was the easy access to the station, which gives me the flexibility to work in Leeds, Manchester, Nottingham or even Derby (I'm a hardcore commuter).

These are probably all factors that the valuers took into account when priceing the two developments. When the City Living thing first kicked off, a load of people balked at the prices in the same way. But the professional valuers did their job well. All of those developments are immensley popular.

Hey but if the regeneration of Norfolk Park is successful it will almost certainly have a knock-on effect on Parklands so it will be good for both of us.

Hi E-Man Grooving-

Again, I totally take your point, but the only REAL difference between the two developments is that you can walk into town from the Norfolk Park Development (that's still a fair old trek though- and as a woman, I don't know if I'd be all that comfortable walking that far home from pubs/clubs alone at night!).

It's only about a 10 mins (max!) walk from the Parklands devlopment to either of the nearest tram stops (Spring Lane and Manor Top/Elm Tree) and from there it's less than 10mins to the train station and about 10mins (15mins max!) to the town centre.

That's 25mins (or half and hour on a busy day!) in total to get into town (and for me- work as well!)

It may take you 5-10mins to get into town on the tram near to the Norfolk Park Development, but I wouldn't want to pay about £20,000 extra to only knock 10-15 mins off my journey from the Parklands development. I'd prefer to get out of bed that little bit earlier in the morning- and that's not something that I say lightly!

Lib1

sticks and stones may break my bones, but Lib1's ramblings do not hurt me...:loopy:

I contributed to a discussion thread highlighting your badly presented argument...you later admitted it was you who was wrong....as for your seemingly endless replies didn't you say, "..."Right this is my last message on this topic"....haha.....

No i mean it this time, yes i do, really, yes really..... Maybe you should play with MissRabbit until her batteries run out.....

Originally posted by Lib1
£20,000 extra to only knock 10-15 mins off my journey from the Parklands development. I'd prefer to get out of bed that little bit earlier in the morning- and that's not something that I say lightly!
Lib1

Ah but £20,000 over 25 years isn't a great deal to pay for a little lie in in the morning and for all the other conveniences. But I ain't gonna convince you (coz u saw the value in Parklands) and you ain't gonna convince me (coz I saw the value in Norfolk Park) so we should put this to rest. We both like where we live and we're both unlikely to lose money on our purchases so why spend time dissing each others' abodes in public like this?

What footie team do you support? Maybe we can debate that? How about politics? I'm voting Lib Dem. Or how do you like your eggs? Poached is the best....

In between the "banter" I notice there are a few people who have bought houses/flats on the 2 developments discussed. Has anyone payed much attention as to the prices on the respective sites and whether or not they have risen much over the past 6-12 months? Particularly the last 6 really when prices have generally settled a bit. I will hopefully be looking to move in another 6 - 12 months and I am considering both places in my very early research, and they may be out of the question if they are going to out perform the market and end up way out of my budget.

Thanks for any response.

Hi march

My boyfriend and I bought a 2 bedroomed apartment on the Norfolk Park estate when the estate was first released back in spring 2003. Since then the price has escalated, both as a result of the property market madness and because we got a relatviely good price for buying early. Since then though I think the prices have settled somewhat - I know that Norfolk Park Ltd have been selling their last few apartments at £118,000 since last October time, and now our apartment is on the market at a similar price, valued in January, so I guess things are calming down somewhat. With regard to the next 6-12 months, who knows what will happen? The general vibe seems to be that the market is steadying, and our valuer told us that the bidding system isn't as rife as it was, so generally properties are now being sold at around the price advertised. I know this is no good if that price is unaffordable, but I suppose at least it stops things getting out of control once offers start being taken.

With regard to the on-going Norfolk Park vs Parklands debate, we bought on Norfolk Park simply because we didn't know about Parklands at the time!

Lycraclad- That's been my point exactly!

People just don't know about the existence of Parklands- I'm pretty sure that I may have been the first to bring up the development on this discussion forum! The Norfolk Park Development is often billed as the cheapest new build site in Sheffield and the Parklands development (which is cheaper!) is always overlooked!

March- When I first bought property on the Parklands development in May 2004, the prices (for the second phase of the development- the first phase was basically sold out by then) started from £71,995. Since January 2005, prices for the second phase of the development now start from £78,995. That's a £7,000 increase and the second phase of the development (and hence my apartment!) has not even been finished yet! At it's current price, I would not be able to afford my apartment if I had waited until now to buy it!

The existing Bellway new(ish) build properties next to the Parklands development (they were built 3-4 years ago), have also risen in price. Using the 'Ourproperty.co.uk' website at http://www.ourproperty.co.uk/ (wonderful little tool!), I've found that the Bellway terraced houses (on Wulfric Road as an example!) which were originally bought for approx £50,000 in 2002 were selling for about £80,000 in 2004 (based on no. 115 Wulfric Road)

Lib1

To E-Man Grooving- You said 'Ah but £20,000 over 25 years isn't a great deal to pay for a little lie in in the morning and for all the other conveniences'.

I've just put £20,000 into the Channel 4 mortgage calculator at a (v.v.v. low) interest rate of 4.75% (the Bank of England base rate- usually variable rate mortgages start from 5.75%). Calculator: http://www.channel4.com/4money/mortgages/features/overpayment_calculator.html

Over 25 years, for the £20,000 alone, you would be paying approx £14,000 in interest! That's £34, 207.04 in total! (When calculating, put 0 in the 'overpayments' field)


Getting out of bed 15mins earlier IS worth it in my book!

But- let's agree to disagree and keep the banter amicable!

Lib1

the houses look fab

Hello

I'm looking to buy in the area as it appears to offer better value than the walkley/crooked area

However I'm also faced with a similar dilemma of colleagues warning of the area's poor reputation - is this valid?

their views are out of date, all the tower blocks were demolished and replaced with low rise new developments. More chance of getting mugged in walkley/crookes i would think.

I've lived there for 5 years now and am happy here. The new houses are fine and the area is pleasant mostly. Only minutes away from the town centre and the park is lovely. There are no pubs though and only 1 shop (2 if you count the chemist that I understand won't be there much longer). Feel free to pm with any specific questions.

i lived in a new build here for a year in 3rd year of uni. On the first new estate on the left as you go up park grange road. The house was excellent with solar power n all. It backed onto norfolk park and was very cheap. However within 3 months my friends car was broken into twice. After the 3rd time he stopped replacing the windopw glass and left a duck taped wooden panel in. Also the build quality of the new homes leaves a lot to be desired. They are nice and "angular" but are made of plaster board and have quite budget kitchens unless they have been improved by a previous owner or landlord so after a few more years im sure some will look a lot worse for wear.