Am I being touchy or taken Toby's remarks out of context?

This morning when the sports guy was interviewing Derek Geary (Irish footballer) Toby dropped a gag about him coming round to do his drive because (I assume ) he has quite a strong accent.

Now don't get me wrong I like Toby and his show. But just recently he has been going on a lot about 'idiots' complaining about political correctness - stating that they were just complaining because they could not be racist.

I am not normally so sensitive because I like a joke and listen to the show and will continue to do so. But this comment made me cringe. I'm not /irish but my grandparents were and suffered these types of jokes all their lives.

If Toby had mimicked an Asian accent the politically correct brigade would have been all over him like a rash.

As I say perhaps I am being too touchy. I am not going to be dramatic and say I will never listen to the show again. But I think he should apologise.
What does everyone else think?

Yes you're being too touchy. Sticks and stones and all that.

Risque topic - but personally I think its tame.

I was on xbox live the other night and some American was shouting, in a crude English accent "tea & crumpets, tea & crumpets" Now that was obviously an attempt to take the mickey but I'm more grown up (I hope) not to react and to see it for what it really was ie NOTHING! I wasn't injured and my feelings weren't hurt. End of story. Nothing against the OP but some people really do take PC too too far.

I agree with you coopster some people do take this political correctness stuff too far.
In a way that is my point. Toby has been defending political correctness a lot on his show recently. He has a view that people who moan about political correctness do so because they just want to be racist.

Then he goes and says something daft like that.

I agree perhaps I am being touchy. But I wanted to make the point. I do think a lot of Irish people are fed up of being labelled as road diggers and drive layers. when someone in the media perpetuates this myth even in jest it is somewhat irresponsible.
I think Toby on reflection would agree.

If someone was interviewed with a strong Pakistani accent and he made a gag about corner shops he would not be on air tomorrow.

Why is making remarks about the Irish any different?

A lot of it stems from anger/upset/being wronged coming from people who aren't the subject.

Fair enough, if there were comments about Pakistanis and corner shops, SOME Pakistanis may take offense but I bet the majority would see it for what it really is, a joke. The majority of people who'd complain would be the PC brigade, most of who are white who think that the minoritys cant stand up for themselves IF they need to and indeed want to.

I kind of agree with you Coopster but like you say it is a risque topic and it made me cringe. I think the joke was in poor taste.

I agree I am probably too sensitive but I still think he over stepped the mark

To me the PC brigade need a few home truths but I'm not going to be the one that does it.
However, the same goes about a certain West coast City citizens a joke the other day said I always get the train to *********, not because its easier but I like my car.

Is this racist, I don't think so however people tend to blow it of all propotion.

Its such a poor stereotypical joke its hard to get offended. I would stop listening to his show though because hes terrible.

Its not just radio a local council panel meeting was suspended because some one made a racial comment , at the next meeting a homophobic comment was made but nothing was said .

Am I being touchy or taken Toby's remarks out of context?

This morning when the sports guy was interviewing Derek Geary (Irish footballer) Toby dropped a gag about him coming round to do his drive because (I assume ) he has quite a strong accent.

Now don't get me wrong I like Toby and his show. But just recently he has been going on a lot about 'idiots' complaining about political correctness - stating that they were just complaining because they could not be racist.

I am not normally so sensitive because I like a joke and listen to the show and will continue to do so. But this comment made me cringe. I'm not /irish but my grandparents were and suffered these types of jokes all their lives.

If Toby had mimicked an Asian accent the politically correct brigade would have been all over him like a rash.

As I say perhaps I am being too touchy. I am not going to be dramatic and say I will never listen to the show again. But I think he should apologise.
What does everyone else think?
sorry mate im half german ,polish.a jokes a joke.who cares anymore.get real .get of the do gooder horse for god sake.its sad.

I heard this and thought it very funny. He may have thrown it in to show just have ridiculous political correctness has become.

As a newby of only one week on the forum I would just like to say that Basilrathbon is much funnier than Toby Foster. I seem to spend ower much time laughing out loud at his input. Rock on Basil!

As a newby of only one week on the forum I would just like to say that Basilrathbon is much funnier than Toby Foster. I seem to spend ower much time laughing out loud at his input. Rock on Basil!

Toby Foster should invite him on his show, should he not ? :D

Am I being touchy or taken Toby's remarks out of context?

This morning when the sports guy was interviewing Derek Geary (Irish footballer) Toby dropped a gag about him coming round to do his drive because (I assume ) he has quite a strong accent.

Now don't get me wrong I like Toby and his show. But just recently he has been going on a lot about 'idiots' complaining about political correctness - stating that they were just complaining because they could not be racist.

I am not normally so sensitive because I like a joke and listen to the show and will continue to do so. But this comment made me cringe. I'm not /irish but my grandparents were and suffered these types of jokes all their lives.

If Toby had mimicked an Asian accent the politically correct brigade would have been all over him like a rash.

As I say perhaps I am being too touchy. I am not going to be dramatic and say I will never listen to the show again. But I think he should apologise.
What does everyone else think?you are quite correct,whats good for one is certainly good for another,but because he is irish he is supposed to accept the comments,my parents were irish,but i dont get upset by irish jokes,dont go off in a mood or riot in the streets,but its just the same as the pakistani/muslim jokes when you boil it down,maybe we have a better sense of humour thats all..

Chuffin Chives its a joke thats all

GET A LIFE !!!

Whats happening to the good old fashion British Humour?

they obviously have nothing to worry about and lead very sad existinces.

When will the anti pc mob start kicking off ? soon hopefully, oh and its the same pc muppets that moan about the state of the yob culture etc etc well guess what, its your pc ways and views that are one of the main reason for stuff like that getting worse.

thats a fact

ALl the Anti-pc people recieve bans.... Thats why only one point of view is ever seen.

PC people, get a life and do something worthwhile.

I'm not /irish but my grandparents were and suffered these types of jokes all their lives.

Suffering from a joke? Goodness, gracious, me whatever next, the poor people.

The comment was innocent enough its peoples interpretation that is racist, perhaps they should be looking at themselves instead of pointing the finger at others

ALl the Anti-pc people recieve bans.... Thats why only one point of view is ever seen.

PC people, get a life and do something worthwhile.

Exactly Mr Busdriver well said mate.

The Irish are the same race as us, white caucasian.
Whatever the joke is, it can't be racist.
It might be Irishist.

i remember once at a last laugh someone wrote 'toby foster is a w@nker" on the wall.. he went mental and threatened to ring the police if the person wasn't kicked out.. what a comedian the man is..


Obviously, that's not true.

All joking to one side, does Geary do drives cus mine needs doing and our lass is giving me verbals. :D

Maybe they don’t like your avatar , would that be Wednesdayist. :hihi:

Suffering from a joke? Goodness, gracious, me whatever next, the poor people.

it's only a joke if the recipient finds it funny, though?

If it'd been funny, it might have qualified as a joke, maybe?

:partyhat:

Its such a poor stereotypical joke its hard to get offended. I would stop listening to his show though because hes terrible.

J-Boy, is there any chance of you setting up your own breakfast show and entertaining us in the morning or indeed creating a sitcom to rival Phoenix Nights.

I'm sure you'll get a massive audience and I for one am finding hard not to do a wee as I type with the anticipation. ;)

I didn't hear the joke but sort of guessed that there's be the usual 'PC gone mad' content on this thread that has nothing to do with the show. :rolleyes: And before any of the rantrs start accusing me of being 'PC' - just check some of my posts.

Anyway - I think there are two things to take in to account with issues like this. One is teh spirit in which the comment was meant, and the second is the way in which the 'targetted recipient' took the comment. If this was directed towards a specific individual then I think the prime indication that it had gone too far would be if the recipient simply refused to be interviewed or walked out.

If a well intentiond humorous aside was made, and someone took it really badly, then perhaps that person needs to look at their own motivations on teh issue. If the comment had been designed to be hurtful and malicious, then that's another case.

And therein lies the judgement call for people. Some years ago I was involved in radio broadcasting and part of my job was to respond to complaints made about content. I don't believe that any complaint against us (it was a student / community radio station) was ever upheld by the Radio Authority / Home Office / whatever they were back then because the powers that be tended to be more sensible than many of the complainants who just had their 'hot buttons' pressed by something that someone said.

Anyone in live entertainment broadcasting knows that occasionally stuff will go pear shaped - what matters IMO is whether the intention ws to get a cheap laugh by causing genuine hurt or upset to someone.

Obviously, that's not true.

Now this is the real Toby Foster putting you straight on that one !!!:D:D:D

I get called a Dee Dar every other day ..but it dont bother me! :D

You may not rate Toby Foster much, but compared to the rest of the cack that passes for early morning radio in this city, he's Eric Morecambe.

Or perhaps you prefer men who use voice coders and pretend to be foul mouthed rodents? Hilarious. Not.

Just as there are laws of physics is there a law of broadcasting which says that everyone in local radio must say or do something which is reminiscent of something said or done by Alan Partridge? This thread reminded me of the episode of I'm Alan Partridge where he says "Dere's more to Oireland dan dis".

A lot of different responses to the thread.
I started it because the comments made me cringe. But also to prove a bit of a point and start a debate. I am not a member of the 'PC' brigade and sometimes think that political correctness has gone a bit mad.

To be fair I think Toby meant it as a simple joke or aside. Having listened to him for a while on Radio Sheffield I do not believe there was anything malicious in his remarks. I also do not believe he is a racist in any way shape or form.

My point was that if the comment had been made about an ethnic minority of some description there would have been uproar.

Perhaps as another poster suggest we should have greater freedom to make jokes (if they are funny) and we should all not be so touchy.

But Toby's comments made me think.

I found the 'Irish' gag in bad taste. But would I have been so upset if it was about the Welsh or the Scots or Pakistanis etc etc. Probably not. It is just because it is perhaps more relevant to me and I find the Irish stereotypes a little unfair.

So perhaps I will think a bit more about jokes made about other people a bit more in the future.

The other point was about political correctness. The reason I was so taken aback by Toby's remarks was because he has talked a lot recently about people who hate political correctness. Almost having a go. Yet at the same time made the joke about the Irish in as one poster describes an 'Irishist' way. Which is probably more accurate than saying racist.

I am not politically correct. Never have been. I don't like racists but believe in freedom of speech. I have picked on Toby's comments because he has defended political correctness yet made a comment like that which was uncalled for. It was not nasty just not thought out.

I will still listen to Toby because he seems like a good genuine and funny guy. I like his show. I just hope he thinks about what he says in the future as perhaps we all should.

Whats more serious...

1) Parking in a disabled parking space

or

2) Telling a racist joke


This made me laugh, some student had a T shirt on saying "Kick Racism out", and then got in his car.......which he had parked in a disabled parking bay :loopy:

So lets get this right, if I tell a racist joke thats serious, but if I park in a disabled parking spot thats OK. :loopy:

The worlds mad

its obvious that toby meant it as a wind up,and it was taken as such,but there are people out there who,not being irish will think it,s in bad taste,the irish have a great sense of humour and i bet there wasnt one complaint made by them, but compare what could have happened if it had been another ethnical joke....

all racist jokes start the same ,the teller says,"did you hear the one about the ....." then they look round first to see who is present or who might be listening.. what a carry on,a joke is a joke,if its not abusive it should be treated in the context it was made,to make you laugh,this sort of stuff never happened in the sixties,people had enough sense to know it was a joke,they paid to watch charlie williams and bernard manning live on stage,ali g has carried it on in the later years,i cant see a problem with humour,as long as your prepared to laugh at yourself along with others

Whats more serious...

1) Parking in a disabled parking space

or

2) Telling a racist joke


This made me laugh, some student had a T shirt on saying "Kick Racism out", and then got in his car.......which he had parked in a disabled parking bay :loopy:

So lets get this right, if I tell a racist joke thats serious, but if I park in a disabled parking spot thats OK. :loopy:

The worlds mad

Perfect example of what i have been saying for years, people like this make me sick the pc numptys just contradict themselves in everything they do.

Idiots

Whats more serious...

1) Parking in a disabled parking space

or

2) Telling a racist joke


This made me laugh, some student had a T shirt on saying "Kick Racism out", and then got in his car.......which he had parked in a disabled parking bay :loopy:

So lets get this right, if I tell a racist joke thats serious, but if I park in a disabled parking spot thats OK. :loopy:

The worlds mad

Well done, you spotted an inconsistent and inconsiderate idiot.

It's NOT OK to park in such a place - of course it isn't. Just becaue someone does it doesn't make it right - that's a truly fatuous argument.

If you tell a racist joke it says something about you, just like being an inconsiderate idiot says something about this chap you saw parking in the wrong place.


Perfect example of what i have been saying for years, people like this make me sick the pc numptys just contradict themselves in everything they do.

Idiots


I just love the way you generalise from individuals to everyone else. Fantastic. :rolleyes: The guy was wrong to park where he did - that doesn't make everyone who expresses a viewpoint about racism wrong to be concerned about truly racist and bigoted behaviour.

i call my dad an alcoholic for bein scottish all time, is that racist?

My point was that if the comment had been made about an ethnic minority of some description there would have been uproar.

Juist to be pedantic, IIRC the (southern) Irish are considered to be an official ethnic minority here?

The problem with these sorts of jokes is that it gets old very quickly. Anyone who has an unusual name or job, or anything else, can get so tired of hearing the same trite 'joke' tripping off people's lips and they all say these things with a smug air as though they imagine they're the first person ever to work it out! :hihi: The recipient just responds with a weak smile ... they've heard it a hundred times before.

The other point is that stupid people hear someone like a radio presenter making a prejudiced or bigotted comment to someone they might know well (an in joke) and they think it's ok for them to do it too.

In his position, he should think twice before he utters :)

How many complaints have Radio Sheffield had about the remark? None, I suspect. There's a thread elsewhere on here having a go at Leeds. Would that not be deemed offensive by some? Is Peter Kaye (as Brian Potter) offensive to wheelchair users? Wasn't Eric Morcambe offensive to Luton Town fans? Ricky Gervais offensive to office managers? Dawn French offensive to scatty overweight female vicars? John Thompson offensive to pc stereotypers? I had my drive tarmaced by an obese black woman lesbian with one arm and learning difficulties. She made a great job of it, much better than Kier.

There's a thread elsewhere on here having a go at Leeds. Would that not be deemed offensive by some?

Only if they came from Leeds? Anyway we have to be offensive about Leeds, it's a cultural tradition in our two fair Cities, been going on for hundreds of years.

I think there's even a bye-law about it ... :P

For info, Irish people are a distinct ethnic minority group recognised under Race Relations law and are a distinct category on the census. Irish in this context is not confined to Southern Irish. So abuse or discrimination against Irish people is certainly covered by the law of the land.

I have not read this whole thread so make no comment on the merits or otherwise of whatever remarks were made on the radio.

Risque topic - but personally I think its tame.

I was on xbox live the other night and some American was shouting, in a crude English accent "tea & crumpets, tea & crumpets" Now that was obviously an attempt to take the mickey but I'm more grown up (I hope) not to react and to see it for what it really was ie NOTHING! I wasn't injured and my feelings weren't hurt. End of story. Nothing against the OP but some people really do take PC too too far.

Argh damn American teenagers spoiling Xbox Live! (oops, have I just been racist about Americans and/or American citizens between the ages of 13 and 19?)

PC has gone a bit mad in this country. It can only be offensive if whoever it is talking about is finding it offensive. It is not the place for middle class white people from England to determine what Irish, Scots, Muslims find offensive. It would be interesting to know if Radio Sheffield had any complaints at all.

I just love the way you generalise from individuals to everyone else. Fantastic. :rolleyes: The guy was wrong to park where he did - that doesn't make everyone who expresses a viewpoint about racism wrong to be concerned about truly racist and bigoted behaviour.

This is what the roughneck pc brigade do everyday

Football fans = Hooligans
Comedian tells a joke = racist
white working class = chav (the only acceptable racism there seems to be)
Youths = chav

But you only have to mention the word black or asian, gay and they are there waiting to pounce HOPING you make a comment that they can twist into being some kind of racist or homophobic thing.

i see it happen with my own eyes all the time, i dont know maybe they do it to feel better about themselves or cheer them sens up as they have probally never laughed in there life.

I remember when bernard manning died most of the pc gimps were practically dancing in the streets saying stuff like they were glad he was dead and how they hoped jim davidson etc were next!!!! WTF whats worse telling a few disttastefull jokes or wishing someone dead

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

This is what the roughneck pc brigade do everyday

Football fans = Hooligans
Comedian tells a joke = racist
white working class = chav (the only acceptable racism there seems to be)
Youths = chav

But you only have to mention the word black or asian, gay and they are there waiting to pounce HOPING you make a comment that they can twist into being some kind of racist or homophobic thing.

i see it happen with my own eyes all the time, i dont know maybe they do it to feel better about themselves or cheer them sens up as they have probally never laughed in there life.

I remember when bernard manning died most of the pc gimps were practically dancing in the streets saying stuff like they were glad he was dead and how they hoped jim davidson etc were next!!!! WTF whats worse telling a few disttastefull jokes or wishing someone dead

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

I doubt we'll get a meeting of minds here.

"Comedian tells a joke" - racist - I think that's rather over the top?

"White working class = chav" - steady on - that's my family and background being generalised on there and to be honest I don't believe that I've ever come across any 'PC' person calling the whole of the white working classes of this country 'chavs'.

Yes, some people do this, but I think you generalise too far. And this isn't a thread about PCness - it's whether a comment made on a radio show was racist or not.

Bringing the PC claptrap in to it (from either a pro- or anti- perspective) just muddies teh waters.

If Toby had mimicked an Asian accent the politically correct brigade would have been all over him like a rash.

Very true.

Yes, some people do this, but I think you generalise too far. And this isn't a thread about PCness - it's whether a comment made on a radio show was racist or not.

The fact that the OP posed the question at all inevitably leads most people to think it is about PCness.

Obviously, that's not true.

a- whys that post been deleted. is it too offensive?

b- im sure u remember it toby, in one of the last weeks of the lescar.. landlord came and asked him to leave..

Am I being touchy or taken Toby's remarks out of context?

?

Yes. You need a sense of humour.

Obviously, that's not true.

What a comedian or a W******?

(Only joking. I am baiting you and I am well known for being a master baiter).:hihi:

I find the guy rather funny.. Personally i think he's too good for Radio Sheffield.

Humour is usually only funny if there is some truth in the joke.. Not all Irish are Gypsies but all Gypsies have Irish heritage and accents

Huh? What happened to the Romany gypsies?

Wouldn't that be nationalist, rather than racist?

If the English aren't a race how can we be classed as racist?

If the English aren't a race how can we be classed as racist?



Whoa careful mate, you may be accused of being racist and offending anyone whos English

If the English aren't a race how can we be classed as racist?

The English are a national origin racial group. This was established in law in a case in Scotland: BBC Scotland v Souster 2001. Mr Souster was sacked as rugby correspondent because, he claimed, he was English. Souster took a race discrimination claim to the Court of Sessions (Scottish equivalent of the Court of Appeal). Lord Cameron of Lochbroom who gave the leading judgement observed that:

a racial group may be defined by reference to its communal origins and traditions, which may be either "national" or "ethnic".

I observe words such as English....are used in common parlance both as nouns and as adjectives in what can only be described as a racial sense....Thus to speak of...."the English" is to denominate a group having a particular historical identity in terms of their origins.

Tony Linsell of the Steadfast organisation has done some sterling work in badgering the Office for National Statistics to include "English" categories for the ethnic as well as national identity questions on the next census form.

The English are a national origin racial group. This was established in law in a case in Scotland: BBC Scotland v Souster 2001. Mr Souster was sacked as rugby correspondent because, he claimed, he was English. Souster took a race discrimination claim to the Court of Sessions (Scottish equivalent of the Court of Appeal). Lord Cameron of Lochbroom who gave the leading judgement observed that:



Tony Linsell of the Steadfast organisation has done some sterling work in badgering the Office for National Statistics to include "English" categories for the ethnic as well as national identity questions on the next census form.

So we have the Scottish deciding if there is an English race,

and the government desciminating against us by not having English as a race on forms.

Talk about making a mountain out of a molehill!!:roll:

If England is a nation of nasty racists.

Then why do people seeking asylum wish to come here ???

If I was to emigrate, I would choose to go to a country where I wouldn't feel threatened.

Maybe its just the PC brigade trying to create prolems that don't exsist?

Who cares!

Get a grip!!

During my life I've been called a 'short arse', a 'bald *******', a 'big nosed git' and a 'honkey'. All true, all unavoidable, all characteristics from which I have no escape. Was I ever offended? No! I grew up and realised that yes, I am, indeed, a short, bald, big hootered honkey git. They were right. Wish I'd acted the complete prat and put in a claim for 50 grand per verbal abuse thingy though .... just because it is the done thing. Oh, and according to the wife I'm an idle sod but that's changable apparently.

People tale the mick out of me because I drive a Toyota Carina. Its true.



And I can't live my life, I have nightmares at night and when I wake up in the morning the nightmares not gone away.... no shes still laid at the side of me.

The fact that the OP posed the question at all inevitably leads most people to think it is about PCness.

You're right the thread is about 'PCness' but perhaps not exactly the way you might think.

I thought it would bring out a lot of people defending Toby's remarks by saying that political correctness has gone mad.

Maybe they are right.

But the point is that the people defending Toby's remarks are the very people he seems to dislike and takes the 'mick' out of.

There you go maybe i do have a sense of humour after all.

I found it all a bit ironic.

I think some people missed this when posting. Actually I am not a big fan of political correctness in its most extreme forms.

Anyway up the Irish.

Yes. You need a sense of humour.

Point taken.

meh! why do people always tell you that you need a sense of humour when they're trying to pretend that nasty, hurtful remarks are 'a joke' and somehow you should find them as funny as the utterer does :huh:

Strangely enough, those people are always the first to cry when the tables are turned, and then who has 'no sense of humour'? :D

meh! why do people always tell you that you need a sense of humour when they're trying to pretend that nasty, hurtful remarks are 'a joke' and somehow you should find them as funny as the utterer does :huh:

Strangely enough, those people are always the first to cry when the tables are turned, and then who has 'no sense of humour'? :D

mmm interesting point of view bearing in mind you found the 'Achmed-the dead terrorist' funny despite some thinking it was offensive. :huh:

Jesus Christ! (apologies to any christians) what a waste of a thread. The fact that people spend so long discussing this sort of thing amazes me.

Personally, I've got a hell of a lot more things to think about than if Toby could have said something that may possibly be construed as rascist by a few people on a local radio show.

Like footy n stuff

Jesus Christ! (apologies to any christians) what a waste of a thread. The fact that people spend so long discussing this sort of thing amazes me.

Personally, I've got a hell of a lot more things to think about than if Toby could have said something that may possibly be construed as rascist by a few people on a local radio show.

Like footy n stuff

The trouble is ,his remark was not derogatory in the least.Have folks nothing better to do, than nit pick .?

The trouble is ,his remark was not derogatory in the least.Have folks nothing better to do, than nit pick .?

That's what I mean - utter madness. :loopy:

where do we draw the line..
a mate of mine told me of how a work college of his callled him a "fat b##tad"
he admits he is of the salad dodger crew, BUT his college is of asian origin.
now if he had responded with a racist coment he would of been sacked.
he reckons if he had took the the "fatist" coment to the hr dept they would told him to shut it!!!
so where do we draw the line?????????

I’m not a big fan of Toby Foster, but I’ve got nothing against the lad. This is a classic case of mountain out of a mole hill.

Nobody appears to have complained and nobody seems to be offended. So where is the problem? What has this thread achieved? Nothing. Except to create a situation that never bloody existed in the first place!

Imitating an Irish/Scottish/Welsh/Geordie/Brummie accent is generally done because the person doing it knows that the people on the receiving end have got a sense of humour. Unfortunately because of PC idiots we are led to believe that Asians do not have a sense of humour, therefore mimicking an Asian accent is forbidden. Believe it or not the “ethnic minority” do have a sense of humour and can think for themselves.

Nobody appears to have complained and nobody seems to be offended. So where is the problem? What has this thread achieved? Nothing. Except to create a situation that never bloody existed in the first place!



Well said.

I can't believe that this idiotic thread is still on here :loopy:

mmm interesting point of view bearing in mind you found the 'Achmed-the dead terrorist' funny despite some thinking it was offensive. :huh:

:huh: was this Achmed a real person? or is this like me not crying at vera duckworth from corrers dying, as she's just a character in a soap? Or am I now supposed to feel empathy for a terrorist, someone who might be trying to kill me? :confused: What a bizarre comment.

The reason some of us go on about this stuff, is that some of us have had lame insults in the guise of 'jokes' aimed at us and some of us have had friends who've been upset by such things said to them.

My take is that people in the public eye should be more careful what they say in public, just so that idiotic others don't follow their example where it might not be welcome. Try making the 'tarmacking the drive' comment to some hunky Irishman in a bad moment, and see what it gets you, maybe?

where do we draw the line..
a mate of mine told me of how a work college of his callled him a "fat b##tad"
he admits he is of the salad dodger crew, BUT his college is of asian origin.
now if he had responded with a racist coment he would of been sacked.
he reckons if he had took the the "fatist" coment to the hr dept they would told him to shut it!!!
so where do we draw the line?????????

If he had been women working in one of Londons top banks he could have claimed millions if somebody called them a fat b…… :roll:

:huh: was this Achmed a real person? or is this like me not crying at vera duckworth from corrers dying, as she's just a character in a soap? Or am I now supposed to feel empathy for a terrorist, someone who might be trying to kill me? :confused: What a bizarre comment.
The reason some of us go on about this stuff, is that some of us have had lame insults in the guise of 'jokes' aimed at us and some of us have had friends who've been upset by such things said to them.

My take is that people in the public eye should be more careful what they say in public, just so that idiotic others don't follow their example where it might not be welcome. Try making the 'tarmacking the drive' comment to some hunky Irishman in a bad moment, and see what it gets you, maybe?

:huh: Fatuous reasoning there ruby. Of course 'Achmed' was a puppet, a caricature if you will.

Unfortunately this caricature brought to life by the 'comedian' included stereotypical racial references to Muslims. The 'comedian' then includes two other groups in a lame attempt to justify his act, namely Jews and Catholics.

The fact is I found it hilarious, but then I'm not a, Muslim, Catholic or Jewish. Neither have I or anyone close to me been blown to smithereens by a suicide bomber.

Others who already have a predisposition to hatred, and are thick, will no doubt jump on the potrayal as a justification for their 'all Muslims are terrorists' rants.

Finally, if back in the 80's a 'comedian' had constructed a puppet and called it 'Paddy the dead terrorist' and then included in his act a thick Irish accent, references to potatoes and tarmac you clearly would have thought this unacceptable.

Bizarre indeed. :roll: :confused:

As for Toby, keep up the good work. You can please some of the people some of the time, but not all the saddos ever. :hihi::hihi:

I take on board a lot of people's views on here. Perhaps it was nit picking.
But some have missed my point. I am not a fan of Pcness, if you read what I posted.

I have nothing against Toby I just think he got it wrong on this. You cannot criticise the anti-PC brigade in one breath and then make an un-PC joke the next. That was the point.

Anyway I did not expect this thread to last this long so this is my last post.

As for the people who have simply posted to ask why the thread has lasted so long and that it was pointless. Maybe you are all right. It is subjective.

But by posting those kind of comments you have simply prolonged the life of the thread.

Here is recent picture showing a pre-production meeting of Toby's show.

http://www.anl.org.uk/images/BNP_LyndaMiller_KKK.jpg

Little m, I can't believe you could remember something that happened so long ago, or did you spend a lot of time just searching for something to use against me? :rolleyes: I'm not sure who of the two of us is the fatuous one! Hilarious indeed.

Am I being touchy or taken Toby's remarks out of context?

This morning when the sports guy was interviewing Derek Geary (Irish footballer) Toby dropped a gag about him coming round to do his drive because (I assume ) he has quite a strong accent.

Now don't get me wrong I like Toby and his show. But just recently he has been going on a lot about 'idiots' complaining about political correctness - stating that they were just complaining because they could not be racist.

I am not normally so sensitive because I like a joke and listen to the show and will continue to do so. But this comment made me cringe. I'm not /irish but my grandparents were and suffered these types of jokes all their lives.

If Toby had mimicked an Asian accent the politically correct brigade would have been all over him like a rash.

As I say perhaps I am being too touchy. I am not going to be dramatic and say I will never listen to the show again. But I think he should apologise.
What does everyone else think?

Im from an irish mother and i dont find it offensive in the least.Political correctness gone mad.

:Little m, I can't believe you could remember something that happened so long ago, or did you spend a lot of time just searching for something to use against me? :rolleyes: I'm not sure who of the two of us is the fatuous one! Hilarious indeed.

rubydazzler don’t worry you are not on your own, I disagreed with little m on a thread and he said he had a life and didn’t have time to provide links to substantiate is claims, strangely though he had time to trawl through my posts. :suspect:

where do we draw the line..
a mate of mine told me of how a work college of his callled him a "fat b##tad"
he admits he is of the salad dodger crew, BUT his college is of asian origin.
now if he had responded with a racist coment he would of been sacked.
he reckons if he had took the the "fatist" coment to the hr dept they would told him to shut it!!!
so where do we draw the line?????????

This drives me bonkers
be reets he had every right to make a racist comment back if he's called him fat first but would he get away with it ?

Its about time this thread was brought to an end.!!:roll:

Its about time this thread was brought to an end.!!:roll:

But can't let you have the last word though.:hihi:

Why not go back to the beginning, then? I have to say I found Blusky's first post (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=297139&page=5) to be thoughtful - raising a legitimate question but consciously not letting it get out of hand.

I agree with RubyDazzler. she's spot on when she says that people in the public eye should be more careful what they say in public. It's different from talking to your mates when you know exactly who you're talking to so you'll know if it would offend them.

Did anyone else hear Toby mention this thread on his show a couple of days ago? He was talking about not wanting to listen in on other people talking about himself and said that on the Sheffield Forum there is a thread about whether or not he is a racist. :hihi:

A friend was talking to an Asian guy the other day, he blamed all the woes that the UK is suffering on imigrants from Eastern Europe. :confused:

Am I being touchy or taken Toby's remarks out of context?

This morning when the sports guy was interviewing Derek Geary (Irish footballer) Toby dropped a gag about him coming round to do his drive because (I assume ) he has quite a strong accent.

Now don't get me wrong I like Toby and his show. But just recently he has been going on a lot about 'idiots' complaining about political correctness - stating that they were just complaining because they could not be racist.

I am not normally so sensitive because I like a joke and listen to the show and will continue to do so. But this comment made me cringe. I'm not /irish but my grandparents were and suffered these types of jokes all their lives.

If Toby had mimicked an Asian accent the politically correct brigade would have been all over him like a rash.

As I say perhaps I am being too touchy. I am not going to be dramatic and say I will never listen to the show again. But I think he should apologise.
What does everyone else think?

I think you have a got abit too touchy.

We would have people apologising til the cows come home over poor stereotypical jokes like that.

I think most Irish people sort of expect the odd crap joke to be pulled now and then.

Same with me really I know some Welsh lads that give abit of light hearted banter towards me for being English.

Chuffin Chives its a joke thats all

GET A LIFE !!!

Whats happening to the good old fashion British Humour?

What would a bus driver know about humour?

Am I being touchy or taken Toby's remarks out of context?

This morning when the sports guy was interviewing Derek Geary (Irish footballer) Toby dropped a gag about him coming round to do his drive because (I assume ) he has quite a strong accent.

Now don't get me wrong I like Toby and his show. But just recently he has been going on a lot about 'idiots' complaining about political correctness - stating that they were just complaining because they could not be racist.

I am not normally so sensitive because I like a joke and listen to the show and will continue to do so. But this comment made me cringe. I'm not /irish but my grandparents were and suffered these types of jokes all their lives.

If Toby had mimicked an Asian accent the politically correct brigade would have been all over him like a rash.

As I say perhaps I am being too touchy. I am not going to be dramatic and say I will never listen to the show again. But I think he should apologise.
What does everyone else think?

Didn't hear this in context but I think its just ignorance rather than racism from a failed comedian with nothing funny to say.

Am I being touchy or taken Toby's remarks out of context?

This morning when the sports guy was interviewing Derek Geary (Irish footballer) Toby dropped a gag about him coming round to do his drive because (I assume ) he has quite a strong accent.

Now don't get me wrong I like Toby and his show. But just recently he has been going on a lot about 'idiots' complaining about political correctness - stating that they were just complaining because they could not be racist.

I am not normally so sensitive because I like a joke and listen to the show and will continue to do so. But this comment made me cringe. I'm not /irish but my grandparents were and suffered these types of jokes all their lives.

If Toby had mimicked an Asian accent the politically correct brigade would have been all over him like a rash.

As I say perhaps I am being too touchy. I am not going to be dramatic and say I will never listen to the show again. But I think he should apologise.
What does everyone else think?
where do we stop with it??? im bald,have been for a number of years,but we dont get defended for our lack of hair,football hooligans are always portrayed as pot bellied,shaven headed and tattooed,im all 3 ,but not a football hooligan,so ,as my background is part romany gypsy,african,old english,should everything offend me???? or are there more important things in life??????people will find things funny,other people wont,we aren,t here for long,lets all just get on,vive la difference.

I think you have a got abit too touchy.

We would have people apologising til the cows come home over poor stereotypical jokes like that.

I think most Irish people sort of expect the odd crap joke to be pulled now and then.

Same with me really I know some Welsh lads that give abit of light hearted banter towards me for being English.
which is a bit rich,the welsh are the true english.every time britain got invaded,always from the east,north east and south east(romans,normans,vikings angles,saxons & jutes),the true english fled in fear,settling in the west(wales was the furthest west),being replaced by the invading hordes,thats why so many placenames on the east coast end in thorpe or burgh.

which is a bit rich,the welsh are the true english.every time britain got invaded,always from the east,north east and south east(romans,normans,vikings angles,saxons & jutes),the true english fled in fear,settling in the west(wales was the furthest west),being replaced by the invading hordes,thats why so many placenames on the east coast end in thorpe or burgh.


Doesn't make them the true English though, does it? It was the Celts(not the Welsh, important distinction) who were forced into modern day Wales firstly by the Romans (Wales is an anglified version of the Latin Walis which, IIRC, means something like 'foreigners' or the like) and later by the Germanic invaders from the East.

So to be pedantic, the ancestors of the Welsh were once the indigenous occupiers of what is now England :)

so "the ancestors of the welsh were once the indigenous occupiers of what is now england",so they were already english before we got invaded.

same as in ireland,where dna samples taken in the east of ireland differ wildly from those taken in the west of ireland,meaning that the irish are descended from different ethnic backgrounds on an east /west split,rather than the north/south religious divide,however,my learned friend,we digress from the thread,maybe we should start our own.

so "the ancestors of the welsh were once the indigenous occupiers of what is now england",so they were already english before we got invaded.

No, because England as a country is a much later construct. Therefore, they couldn't have been 'English'.

same as in ireland,where dna samples taken in the east of ireland differ wildly from those taken in the west of ireland,meaning that the irish are descended from different ethnic backgrounds on an east /west split,rather than the north/south religious divide,however,my learned friend,we digress from the thread,maybe we should start our own.

That would certainly make sense - it backs up what we said about the Celts being forced Westward by the invading forces from the east.

You're right though - we're waaaaaaaaaaaaaay off topic here :)

Did anyone else hear Toby mention this thread on his show a couple of days ago? He was talking about not wanting to listen in on other people talking about himself and said that on the Sheffield Forum there is a thread about whether or not he is a racist. :hihi:

Yes, he mentioned it the other morning. He said " There is a thread on The Sheffield Forum" which says Im racist. .Toby has replied once on this thread to deny something that a member said he had done(and he hadnt). He says he doesnt get involved in replying to threads only if something is incorrect.

Doesn't make them the true English though, does it? It was the Celts(not the Welsh, important distinction) who were forced into modern day Wales firstly by the Romans (Wales is an anglified version of the Latin Walis which, IIRC, means something like 'foreigners' or the like) and later by the Germanic invaders from the East.

So to be pedantic, the ancestors of the Welsh were once the indigenous occupiers of what is now England :)

Thanks for that, Annoni_mouse - I'll just add that as an excellent example of Newspeak to the other thread running. :hihi:

Cheers,

StarSparkle

Yes, he mentioned it the other morning. He said " There is a thread on The Sheffield Forum" which says Im racist. .Toby has replied once on this thread to deny something that a member said he had done(and he hadnt). He says he doesnt get involved in replying to threads only if something is incorrect.

So that rumour about him being a transvestite with cannibalistic tendencies who hangs around Castle Market looking for trainspotters is totally unfounded then?

Thanks for that, Annoni_mouse - I'll just add that as an excellent example of Newspeak to the other thread running. :hihi:

Cheers,

StarSparkle


We no longer call them threads - they are now called "Non linear information exchanges"


:)

So that rumour about him being a transvestite with cannibalistic tendencies who hangs around Castle Market looking for trainspotters is totally unfounded then?

That's all perfectly true.

That's all perfectly true.
wot started as a thread is now turnin into toby foster bashing,IMO.if you dont like his humour,answers simple,switch channels.we all choose our preferences,as i said before,thank god(whatever faith you are) we are all different.

P.S stop taking **** out of WANYE ,the alarm engineer.you know who you are.

i do switch him off every time , he talks so fast sometimes hes a cross betweem bruce forsythe /and wisdoms mr grimsdale on phoenix nites hes not bad but stick on radio sheffield and nobody gets a word in. and his sidekiick fall guy, on his own is good but together its morcombe/wise on radio but not as funny .i say give basilrathbon a show because his sense of humour is brilliant. i think he beats harryhill merton,etc averry funny man i spend half my time just lookin for his commentson here.

Did anyone else hear Toby mention this thread on his show a couple of days ago? He was talking about not wanting to listen in on other people talking about himself and said that on the Sheffield Forum there is a thread about whether or not he is a racist. :hihi:

I heard it.

It was after he'd made a joke about Scots being drunks.

He'll be having a go at the sheep sh.. sh.. sh.. shearers next. :hihi:

i do switch him off every time , he talks so fast sometimes hes a cross betweem bruce forsythe /and wisdoms mr grimsdale on phoenix nites hes not bad but stick on radio sheffield and nobody gets a word in. and his sidekiick fall guy, on his own is good but together its morcombe/wise on radio but not as funny .i say give basilrathbon a show because his sense of humour is brilliant. i think he beats harryhill merton,etc averry funny man i spend half my time just lookin for his commentson here.

I disagree. I thought his interview with the religious guy on gay adoption this morning was actually quite good.

And as I've said before, he's a sight better than owt else on at breakfast time.

I couldn't be doing with listening to a big, fat, ugly, rough sounding, talentless idiot in the morning.

That's why I stopped listening to Chris Moyles and switched to Toby Foster.




(what do you mean have I seen him?!?)

I disagree. I thought his interview with the religious guy on gay adoption this morning was actually quite good.

And as I've said before, he's a sight better than owt else on at breakfast time.

I agree - he did a great job with the religious nutter this morning (and quite rightly so).

I agree - he did a great job with the religious nutter this morning (and quite rightly so).

He was like a Yorkshire Paxman - but with less hair product :)

I couldn't be doing with listening to a big, fat, ugly, rough sounding, talentless idiot in the morning.

That's why I stopped listening to Chris Moyles and switched to Toby Foster.




(what do you mean have I seen him?!?)

Chris moyles is a joke not funny Toby changed radio sheffield for the better and toby will prbably reading this thread

P.S stop taking **** out of WANYE ,the alarm engineer.you know who you are.


Do you know Wayne?

toby will probably reading this thread

But you'll never see through my brilliant disguise.

Chris moyles is a joke not funny Toby changed radio sheffield for the better and toby will prbably reading this thread

I'm sure he'll take my comment as lightly as intended.

And if he is reading this, and it is indeed the real Toby, then 'top work fella - the show is great'.

p.s. Has anyone seen Everard Davy's website. http://everarddavy.com/
What's that all about?

I'm sure he'll take my comment as lightly as intended.

And if he is reading this, and it is indeed the real Toby, then 'top work fella - the show is great'.

p.s. Has anyone seen Everard Davy's website. http://everarddavy.com/
What's that all about?

:confused:

He reminds me of a confused old uncle - I'm not sure he actually is a news reader - I think he's just walked in off the street and no ones got the heart to ask him to leave.

Yes, he mentioned it the other morning. He said " There is a thread on The Sheffield Forum" which says Im racist. .Toby has replied once on this thread to deny something that a member said he had done(and he hadnt). He says he doesnt get involved in replying to threads only if something is incorrect.

Yes, I should really do a better job reading threads before replying to them I think.:|

:confused:

He reminds me of a confused old uncle - I'm not sure he actually is a news reader - I think he's just walked in off the street and no ones got the heart to ask him to leave.
Everard Davey has a superb dry sense of humour and is a perfect foil for Toby. There's very few characters left on local radio since Roger Moffatt died!

Didn't hear this in context but I think its just ignorance rather than racism from a failed comedian with nothing funny to say.

I don't think you can call him a failed comedian - he comperes the Last Laugh and has his own BBC radio show... Just because he's not on telly doesn't mean he's a failure - that's like saying every theatre actor is a failure because they're not on Eastenders or Hollyoaks. I think Toby is a breath of fresh air in the mornings - some people just seem to be always looking for reasons to be outraged/offended.

Everard Davey has a superb dry sense of humour and is a perfect foil for Toby. There's very few characters left on local radio since Roger Moffatt died!

Well he has one of the best names I've ever heard.

And I agree that he has a very dry sense of humour

And I love the way that if he makes a mistake he doesn't try to hide it embarrasingly, he just says things like 'I've already read this once, why am I reading it again?' or 'you don't want to hear that' etc.

Toby Foster should invite him on his show, should he not ? :D
Yes, RS might give him Toby's job like they gave Toby Tony Capstick's job.

i call my dad an alcoholic for bein scottish all time, is that racist?

Your dad's a full time scotsman then is he? good, I hate these part-time scots!!!

Everard Davey has a superb dry sense of humour and is a perfect foil for Toby. There's very few characters left on local radio since Roger Moffatt died!
roger moffat,i remember when he got censured for calling someone who had stolen his female neighbours car battery ******** whilst on air,he tended to say what a lot of us thought,and also remember being put in a cage on Calender when Elvis died,due to his comments.Characters like him are few and far between,the likes of him,i believe will never be seen again.

Everard is the voice of news on BBC Radio Shefield and has been for 17 years or more.
His web site refers to his work as a cartoonist and now has some new content.
He is very dry but is a complete news professional and the perfect foil for Toby Foster in the morning.

Check it out at http://everarddavy.com/

News is best when it's local on BBC Radio Sheffield try www.bbc.co.uk/southyorkshire
AndyK

I used to love Everard Davy years ago, and that woman he used to be on with in the morning. they were a great double act.

Nice to hear he's still going anyway.

Am I being touchy or taken Toby's remarks out of context?

This morning when the sports guy was interviewing Derek Geary (Irish footballer) Toby dropped a gag about him coming round to do his drive because (I assume ) he has quite a strong accent.

Now don't get me wrong I like Toby and his show. But just recently he has been going on a lot about 'idiots' complaining about political correctness - stating that they were just complaining because they could not be racist.

I am not normally so sensitive because I like a joke and listen to the show and will continue to do so. But this comment made me cringe. I'm not /irish but my grandparents were and suffered these types of jokes all their lives.

If Toby had mimicked an Asian accent the politically correct brigade would have been all over him like a rash.

As I say perhaps I am being too touchy. I am not going to be dramatic and say I will never listen to the show again. But I think he should apologise.
What does everyone else think?

Yes you are correct - the PC brigade would have been all over him like a rash... A nasty incurable one...

That's what sets you & I apart from the PC brigade. We are immune to such dermatollogical insults.

For example; I have Irish, Scottish & French ancestry within both sides of my parentage; I have a homosexual relative, but I am big & ugly enough to be able to laugh at social stereotyping without taking offence. Why? Because I'm a grown up & am able to see that taking offence would be pointless & achieve nothing.

Because I am a beautiful English citizen who has the priviledge of owning multicultural DNA & historical socialisation that allows me to be able to be above taking offence.

I AM THE CELEBRATION OF MULTICULTURALISM; HUNDREDS OF YEARS OF IT!

So to get narked would be hypocritical - wouldn't it?

Once you accept that you are English by the grace of God you are onto a winner.


What's R E A L L Y narking you is the duplicity of standards alowed by the liberal elite that run the radio station.

It's them Guardian reading tree hugging handbag waving apollogists that you want to vent your spleen upon - for those media type are running this fine, green & pleasant land at the moment and making free-thinking people believe that their brain-washed thoughts are actually their own.

Working class heroes - the lot of them. :thumbsup:

DK - keepin it real. Aaye

Toby Foster, cant stand the bloke, I went to the Comedy Club and he was on, talk about not funny, and then he had the people at the next table kicked out, for heckling, omg they were funnier then he was, and they didnt really do anything wrong, just a bit loud while he was on and listened quietly while the real comedian was performing

Break down Toby Foster then to it's 2 main components.

Toby - a grotesque empty vessel - normally filled with ale.

Foster - something you end up doing as a last resort because you can't manage one yourself.

Makes you think doesn't it? :thumbsup:

Obviously, that's not true.

I like Toby, he's an all round entertainer....whoops!
Regards. Hardwicke.

Break down Toby Foster then to it's 2 main components.

Toby - a grotesque empty vessel - normally filled with ale.




I genuinely laughed at this.:hihi:

Everard is the voice of news on BBC Radio Shefield and has been for 17 years or more.
His web site refers to his work as a cartoonist and now has some new content.
He is very dry but is a complete news professional and the perfect foil for Toby Foster in the morning.

Check it out at http://everarddavy.com/

News is best when it's local on BBC Radio Sheffield try www.bbc.co.uk/southyorkshire
AndyK

He sounds like a dirty phonecall..

A BBC newsflash - Toby Foster has just been discovered tarred and feathered and chained to a skip outside Radio Sheffield. I hope you are all satisfied now that such resentment and annymosity has been stirred up.

A lot of different responses to the thread.
I started it because the comments made me cringe. But also to prove a bit of a point and start a debate. I am not a member of the 'PC' brigade and sometimes think that political correctness has gone a bit mad.

To be fair I think Toby meant it as a simple joke or aside. Having listened to him for a while on Radio Sheffield I do not believe there was anything malicious in his remarks. I also do not believe he is a racist in any way shape or form.

My point was that if the comment had been made about an ethnic minority of some description there would have been uproar.

Perhaps as another poster suggest we should have greater freedom to make jokes (if they are funny) and we should all not be so touchy.



But Toby's comments made me think.

I found the 'Irish' gag in bad taste. But would I have been so upset if it was about the Welsh or the Scots or Pakistanis etc etc. Probably not. It is just because it is perhaps more relevant to me and I find the Irish stereotypes a little unfair.

So perhaps I will think a bit more about jokes made about other people a bit more in the future.

The other point was about political correctness. The reason I was so taken aback by Toby's remarks was because he has talked a lot recently about people who hate political correctness. Almost having a go. Yet at the same time made the joke about the Irish in as one poster describes an 'Irishist' way. Which is probably more accurate than saying racist.

I am not politically correct. Never have been. I don't like racists but believe in freedom of speech. I have picked on Toby's comments because he has defended political correctness yet made a comment like that which was uncalled for. It was not nasty just not thought out.

I will still listen to Toby because he seems like a good genuine and funny guy. I like his show. I just hope he thinks about what he says in the future as perhaps we all should.

You are right. I think that the effect of Racism or any other form of discrimination only hits home when we are faced with it our selves. If on a daily basis you were faced with verbal or attacks because of either the colour of your skin or the way you dress or your way of life. Or if your child was being taunted at school because of these things and the teacher continued to dismiss it as being over sensetive. Then trust me you REALLY
would be sensetive to 'Racist' comments made in the media. I'm not sure how much direct Raciscm and discrimination Irish people face, but somehow i don't think that it is at the same level as what Pakistani or Muslim people face.

I'm not sure how much direct Raciscm and discrimination Irish people face, but somehow i don't think that it is at the same level as what Pakistani or Muslim people face.

Do you think the level of racism against the Irish peaked during the bombing campaigns of the 70,s ? .......and if so do you think the bombings may have contributed to the higher level of racism or the level of racism diminished over time as the bombings stopped ?

To such an extent in fact that a throw away mildly amusing one liner can attract so much attention.

Like i said before, i'm not really sure how much Racism irish people actually face. The thing that caught my attention was the fact that many people were making assumptions that if this sort of comment about Pakistani/muslim people had been made, there would have been uproar. I think that when people genuinely feel upset or offended by somthing then they are the ones who will make their voices heard, and rightly so. In the same way, i think that if the irish community feel genuinly belittled, demonised or stereotyped then they should make a formal complaint to the show.
I don't think that people need to complain about other communities and how they fight for equality, just to be able to make their own point.

So a reference to British football hooligans is a slur which i might take on board as being offensive against my race ? (white british being the main stereotype football hooligan when referred to by media)

Frankly i cant get worked up about it - small minorities with extreme or well defined actions do unfortunately attract blanket prejudice / stereotype.

So a reference to British football hooligans is a slur which i might take on board as being offensive against my race ? (white british being the main stereotype football hooligan when referred to by media)

Frankly i cant get worked up about it - small minorities with extreme or well defined actions do unfortunately attract blanket prejudice / stereotype.

Except when they lump us (the english) with the scots who are undisputed male wearers of skirts because south of the wall thats transvesticism

So a reference to British football hooligans is a slur which i might take on board as being offensive against my race ? (white british being the main stereotype football hooligan when referred to by media)

Frankly i cant get worked up about it - small minorities with extreme or well defined actions do unfortunately attract blanket prejudice / stereotype.Good grief Logiebaird, are we existing in a parallel universe? I just posted this on the "who do Asians think they" are thread and then noticed your post above.

I'm sorry but I can't get so worked up about it because the reality is that people are prejudice against "other". It's a fact of human existence. Look at South Africa today with the black on black violence. Jumping down somebody's throat and denouncing them, without any attempt to understand their experience is not going to bring about harmony between the races. My point is that this kind of political correctness simply serves to alienate people more and stifles any attempt to reach a reconciliation or understanding.

Spooky!

Nah - I copied your work but put it in my own words so teacher wouldnt notice.

But then again we are probably just the silent majority getting on with our lives in spite of constant interference by governments and media wheras others are more easily influenced and persuaded.

Anybody who listens to Toby knows what he's like, he's a comedian at the end of the day and you can't tell a joke without upseting someone, you'd be alright working with me if you get upset so easily, the entire day, every day is about ripping the brown stuff out of your mates, back off, it's a joke

Cant believe you can be so flippant !!!

In todays Daily Mail there is a spot fine of £50 for a kid releasing a helium baloon as that is littering and also a ban on bunting due to health and safety.

This is Blair Brittain - fun is strictly off limits - kindly toe the line or you will be looking at a spotfine milladio

So a reference to British football hooligans is a slur which i might take on board as being offensive against my race ? (white british being the main stereotype football hooligan when referred to by media)

Frankly i cant get worked up about it - small minorities with extreme or well defined actions do unfortunately attract blanket prejudice / stereotype.

Yes it must be nice to be able to just get along with your life quietly, without anything affecting you. Maybe we should all apply your philosophy to life then we will all live happily ever after. :gag:

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Could be worse. It could be 60's music:sad: zzzzzz

Could be worse. It could be 60's music:sad: zzzzzz

Now if it was 60s music he would actually be GOOD !

Yes it must be nice to be able to just get along with your life quietly, without anything affecting you. Maybe we should all apply your philosophy to life then we will all live happily ever after. :gag:


Now it would be a bit silly to say nothing affects me its just that i have a tolerance level and a sense of humour....... for instance when Patrick Kielty infers that the suicide bombers are thicker than the irish because they had the sense at least not to wear their bombs then i can disregard all the innuendo and take benefit from the humour / self deprication without disecting who may or may not be offended. .... its called comedy.

And im not just defending Toby because he is part of my family.

And im not just defending Toby because he is part of my family.

So Logiebaird -What family would this be?

Mammals...............

Mammals...............

Surely he is more from fish family with those eyes ...

you are quite correct,whats good for one is certainly good for another,but because he is irish he is supposed to accept the comments,my parents were irish,but i dont get upset by irish jokes,dont go off in a mood or riot in the streets,but its just the same as the pakistani/muslim jokes when you boil it down,maybe we have a better sense of humour thats all..I have never met a P C person or a Muslim with a sense of humour! but I have met lots of Irish who have a very well developed sense of humour and can even laugh at juvenile humour like Fosters after a few pints of the black stuff!

Now if it was 60s music he would actually be GOOD !

Boring guitars sounding kinks ect :rolleyes:

Atleast the 70's and 80's put together good music and entertainment in fashion.

they obviously have nothing to worry about and lead very sad existinces.

When will the anti pc mob start kicking off ? soon hopefully, oh and its the same pc muppets that moan about the state of the yob culture etc etc well guess what, its your pc ways and views that are one of the main reason for stuff like that getting worse.

thats a fact

Its a fact because Ian said so. No proof or evidence or anything to back this thinking up but its a fact because Ian said it.

why hasn't the title been changed this is a slur on one of south yorkshires best comedians and broadcasters of all time, the title on the thread about people dumping cars got closed, so either the title has to be changed or the thread closed, i find it unfair that one thread can be closed for fear of offence to groups of individuals, this thread is still as offensive to the person named.

Surely he is more from fish family withoster those eyes ...

So is "Toby" Foster an abbreviation of turbot foster ?

So is "Toby" Foster an abbreviation of turbot foster ?

LOL

And PS the 60s invented fashion !! The 80s is not all its cracked up to be ...

[get a life have you nothing else better to do,I doubt toby will give a rats arse if you stop listening (GO TOBY.GO TOBY)

[get a life have you nothing else better to do,I doubt toby will give a rats arse if you stop listening (GO TOBY.GO TOBY)

well said Paul. Toby is a legend and a very funny man, as well as being a very clever chap. He knows what he is doing and he did no harm so whats the big deal? Why don't you email Mr Foster himself and ask about it? I guarantee you will get a response.