oh what fun that was this morning!!! A big SUV is overturned there- fire, police and ambulances all in attendance- causing chaos in the city!!!!

glad we go early then, it wasn't there at 6:40.

Was anyone hurt? :(

K x

They had the cutting eqiupment out but im not sure!

What's an SUV :confused:

Originally posted by Strix
What's an SUV :confused:

A 4x4 as far as I know. The ones mentioned in the 'School run people in the morning' thread. As others have mentioned they do tend to flip over very easily which is why you're not as safe in one as you may think.

Originally posted by Strix
What's an SUV :confused:

Sports Utility Vehicle.:| :|

Originally posted by Strix
What's an SUV :confused:

A "Sports Utility Vehicle", ie. a "sporty" 4x4, ie. a Freelander or similar, designed for off-roading but will probably drop to bits if you tried driving over anything more treacherous than the gravel on your drive.

Originally posted by nick2
A "Sports Utility Vehicle", ie. a "sporty" 4x4, ie. a Freelander or similar, designed for off-roading but will probably drop to bits if you tried driving over anything more treacherous than the gravel on your drive.

Unless of course its a good old Landrover Defender.:thumbsup: :clap:

Originally posted by Andy78
A 4x4 as far as I know. The ones mentioned in the 'School run people in the morning' thread

Probably one of the school-runners trying a new annoyance tactic, seeing as there's no school to park up at this week!

Originally posted by feargal
Probably one of the school-runners trying a new annoyance tactic, seeing as there's no school to park up at this week!

Heehee. Be careful, You'll get shouted at. :D

I heard it swerved to avoid hitting three uninsured Muslim cyclists who were being chased by chavs.:P

Originally posted by saxon51
I heard it swerved to avoid hitting three uninsured Muslim cyclists who were being chased by chavs.:P

Not AGAIN!!! haahaahaa :thumbsup:

Awww, did anybody get pics? We could do with a laugh

Tharr'll lernem :D 'My next car's a Volvo'? :hihi:

(hope everybody was okay though)

Originally posted by Strix
Awww, did anybody get pics? We could do with a laugh


Now now strix that's naughty! ;)

But they think they can park anywhere :confused:

Great way to avoid carparking charges in town. Park it on it's roof in the middle of the carriageway :D

I hope the occupant(s) are okay amidst all this frivolity. :(

Got to wonder though. How the hell do you flip something - even an SUV - over on THAT roundabout?:suspect:

Originally posted by saxon51
I hope the occupant(s) are okay amidst all this frivolity. :(

Got to wonder though. How the hell do you flip something - even an SUV - over on THAT roundabout?:suspect:

easy- if there cornering round there all it takes is a car to nudge them a little from the side and they will flip cos there centre of gravety will be high up and leaning to the left!

Does anyone know how the accident happened? Considering the location, it seems to me that it would be difficult to overturn a vehicle like this unless you were travelling fast.

Originally posted by saxon51
Unless of course its a good old Landrover Defender.:thumbsup: :clap:

Nah, that's a hairdressers car.

I think that it was travelling pretty past around the roundabout and a cheeky cyclist clipped its driver's side wing mirror. Hope the cyclist had insurance.

Originally posted by saxon51
Unless of course its a good old Landrover Defender.:thumbsup: :clap:

that wouldn't be an SUV.

Originally posted by Cyclone
that wouldn't be an SUV.

Why not?

About a decade ago Richard Branson managed to roll one of his landrovers on the motorway. And all he said about it was that he was really impressed by the protection it afforded his family in the incident and would continue to buy them.

No mention of how unstable they are at high speed.

Suzuki Jeeps [the original ones] used to tip over quite easily too, they had to redesign them.

Mercedes A class had similar problems with it's high speed slalom tests with one wheel lifting off the ground, they had to detune the suspension and make it less sporty.

And finally a personal anacdote about landrovers swaying too much with their high centre of gravity. I was on a motorway roundabout in the coventry area ten years ago when the landrover in front was tipping fuel out of it's locked filler cap onto the roadway because it was too full or tipping over too much on the bend.

Originally posted by nick2
Nah, that's a hairdressers car.

Nice to know that half the world's armies (including the British) have been using these 'Hairdresser's cars' for the past 50 years because of their ruggedness, stability, dependability and adaptability.

Originally posted by muddycoffee
And finally a personal anacdote about landrovers swaying too much with their high centre of gravity. I was on a motorway roundabout in the coventry area ten years ago when the landrover in front was tipping fuel out of it's locked filler cap onto the roadway because it was too full or tipping over too much on the bend.

That's just overfilling of the tank rather than the CoG of the vehicle.

Originally posted by muddycoffee
About a decade ago Richard Branson managed to roll one of his landrovers on the motorway.

It was a Range Rover which is slightly different from a LandRover and was well known for instability at high speed.

Originally posted by jackthedog
Why not?
'Proper' working 4x4 :)

Originally posted by Draggletail
'Proper' working 4x4 :)

And there speaks a man (I think) with taste. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

park square has got some nasty bumps and adverse camber on it......... could easily have helped the 4x4 flip over

Originally posted by tomgoodfella
park square has got some nasty bumps and adverse camber on it......... could easily have helped the 4x4 flip over
And the rest of the city has more potholes, lumps bumps and gashes, should we ban chelsea tractors all together?

Originally posted by Draggletail
'Proper' working 4x4 :)

Does that allow the Land Rover Defender to escape being dubbed a 'Chelsea Tractor' then?

As opposed to a Discovery?
What's the difference?

Not being funny BTW :)

Originally posted by jackthedog
Does that allow the Land Rover Defender to escape being dubbed a 'Chelsea Tractor' then?

As opposed to a Discovery?
What's the difference?

Not being funny BTW :)

Maybe it's all in my mind, but the discovery is for tarts :hihi: the defender is a no frills working vehicle meant for farmers etc - probably doesn't even have power steering.

To be honest, It's just an Impression I have formed over the years - I have never driven one.
If I'm wrong, I'm sure someone on here will put me right :D

Originally posted by Strix
What's an SUV :confused:

AKA - Chelsea Tractor

Originally posted by jackthedog
Does that allow the Land Rover Defender to escape being dubbed a 'Chelsea Tractor' then?

As opposed to a Discovery?
What's the difference?

Not being funny BTW :)

I think if a Land Rover Defender sole use is for day to day driving around the streets of south yorkshire and not up on some farm then yes its classed as a chelsea tractor

And eyes back to the topic!

Does anyone know if anyone was hurt?

K x

I saw it at about 9.30 - the only sign of the accident was the actual car facing the wrong way on the round about on the outside lane to go down Sheaf Street, with a police car next to it with its lights on.
The car had obviously had the roof cut off and the windscreen all seemed pretty much intact but on the side of the road.

Someone mentioned about it probably being nudged by another car and hitting the side of the road - I can see that happening because where it was, the banking at the side of the road is quite steep.

Originally posted by saxon51
Nice to know that half the world's armies (including the British) have been using these 'Hairdresser's cars' for the past 50 years because of their ruggedness, stability, dependability and adaptability.
.... and government subsidies that they need to recoup.


My 110SW was a complete bag of nails. Glad when I changed it for a Jeep that went all the same difficult places with the same confidence except it was in air conditioned leather lined heated seat CD player luxury.

Land Rover = drain on the UK economy.

Park Square roundabout, like most of the roads in this damn city, has a crap surface.

Its not difficult to navigate though, it still surprises me the number of people who get the wrong lane!

One problem here is the traffic light timings. As soon as one set goes red, the other set changes to amber, so the first amber gambler risks colliding with the second amber gambler.

The traffic lights on Suffolk Road (at Columbia Place) are just as bad, i've seen 2/3 smashes here because the lights change too soon.

Nobody seems to know if anyone was hurt; is this a bad sign? Hope not, I hate things like that.

K x

Originally posted by dinp
One problem here is the traffic light timings. As soon as one set goes red, the other set changes to amber, so the first amber gambler risks colliding with the second amber gambler.

The traffic lights on Suffolk Road (at Columbia Place) are just as bad, i've seen 2/3 smashes here because the lights change too soon.
Arguably, people run amber/red lights because they know they have time to. You should never set off on green until you've checked there are no joy riders or fire engines coming :D

Originally posted by Tony
.... and government subsidies that they need to recoup.


My 110SW was a complete bag of nails. Glad when I changed it for a Jeep that went all the same difficult places with the same confidence except it was in air conditioned leather lined heated seat CD player luxury.

Land Rover = drain on the UK economy.
Dunno about subsidies, Ford own LandRover now, BMW before that. Both invested in new models, BMW raided the knowledge pool for the X5, then sold 'em to a willing buyer.

As for the military connection, they are well regarded, definitely the vehicle of choice for UK troops, and even the US special forces have been lobbying to be allowed to buy them, successfully, they now have a fleet, and have used them in Iraq and Afghanistan (that I know of).

Farmers too tend towards the Defender, rather than the more urbanised variants, c'mon how many Cherokees do you see "down the farm".

I agree with you on pretty much all counts there foo_fighter. I was making the point that Landrovers are abysmally unreliable.

I've had 4 different 4x4's, which I use for the purpose intended as well as in town and the motorway. I have to say that out of all of them the LR was the worst.

The military have a big LR spares pool and the parts are bolt on, bolt off in the main. The US like em because they are small and nimble compared to the ridiculous and useless behemoth truck that is the Hummer. The military also don't dress them up with air con, leather, radios, satnav or the other things that we all like nowadays. The very basic LR is fine providing you have half a dozen together and a few spare parts and a mechanic..

I know 5 people with new Range Rovers, and all have ongoing problems. I know 4 people with Porsche Cayenne's, and none have had a moment of hassle. I gues that isn't much of a recommendation for LR.

Isn't this a bit OT ;)

Originally posted by Tony
I know 5 people with new Range Rovers, and all have ongoing problems. I know 4 people with Porsche Cayenne's, and none have had a moment of hassle. I gues that isn't much of a recommendation for LR.
Well aren't we in with the Chelsea set.

5 Range Rovers and 4 Cayennes amongst your friends, do you live on the Wybourne? ;)

I know LRs reputation for reliabilty hasn't been great recently, and don't doubt your figures, but they are *supposed* to be improving. I'm not hearing good things about the FreeLander though.

I've had a few "old school" LRs, including a Series2A-SWB (2.25 petrol), and a 110 County (3.5 V8 ) at the extremes. The SWB was brilliant, the V8 was nails (couldn't keep the carbs in balance for love nor money), so my impressions are mixed.

In general I find the diesels better, but I'm aware there have still been issues. Go for a (more) basic Defender diesel (like the military and farmers) do, and they're pretty good, and quite easy to work on, it's the "posh" stuff that seems to get iffy, in my experience.

chavs!!!!! in SHEFFIELD, you're joking!!!!!!!!:heyhey:

Originally posted by julz
chavs!!!!! in SHEFFIELD, you're joking!!!!!!!!:heyhey:
Welcome to another new member :P

Originally posted by saxon51
Nice to know that half the world's armies (including the British) have been using these 'Hairdresser's cars' for the past 50 years because of their ruggedness, stability, dependability and adaptability.

Hairdresseers have to off-road sometimes too you know, to get to those remote customers in Ranmoor, with the long twisty gravel drives.

Aggghh, Foo fighter and Tony are at it again...

Run for cover everyone, it's about to blow!

:D

Originally posted by nick2
Hairdresseers have to off-road sometimes too you know, to get to those remote customers in Ranmoor, with the long twisty gravel drives.
It's that unadopted road with the huge pot pits in it that takes you by surprise that bugged me :mad:

Driving round looking at property, and 'clunk' :mad: One (almost) beached Zafira. :mad:

Originally posted by jackthedog
Aggghh, Foo fighter and Tony are at it again...

Run for cover everyone, it's about to blow!

:D
LOL

Don't worry, I'll have this thread closed before you can say "What the

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Originally posted by jackthedog
Does that allow the Land Rover Defender to escape being dubbed a 'Chelsea Tractor' then?

As opposed to a Discovery?
What's the difference?

Not being funny BTW :)
I have a neighbour who has a Defender, and it is shiny and clean and has never been off tarmac all it's very short life - It is therefore a chelseaT

Another neighbour has a Honda HRV 4x4 car, which is often loaded up to the gunnels and comes back after a 2 week holiday covered in crud. But this car is no larger than an escort estate, although a little higher. I expect it has a more efficient engine and better fuel economy and emissions than an escort estate.

Isn't a landrover descovery a steel bodied car and a Defender Aluminium?

Originally posted by muddycoffee
I have a neighbour who has a Defender, and it is shiny and clean and has never been off tarmac all it's very short life - It is therefore a chelseaT

Another neighbour has a Honda HRV 4x4 car, which is often loaded up to the gunnels and comes back after a 2 week holiday covered in crud. But this car is no larger than an escort estate, although a little higher. I expect it has a more efficient engine and better fuel economy and emissions than an escort estate.

Isn't a landrover descovery a steel bodied car and a Defender Aluminium?

Yep. Very similar chassis though. 100" wheelbase for the Discovery, Mostly either 90" or 110" for Defender.

Interestingly, I did read that a regular Defender 90 is shorter than a Fiesta or Micra.

Hairdresser's car?

http://www.twenot.nl/landrove.htm

http://www.ezthemes.com/previews/l/landrover.jpg

Hairdressers car!!!!

http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~agwagner/suv/

Originally posted by saxon51
Hairdresser's car?

http://www.twenot.nl/landrove.htm


I'm not giong to ask what's happening to that hat :rolleyes:

He's Dutch, and there ain't a canal nearby!:D

Why not view the councils traffic cameras at
http://sccplugins.sheffield.gov.uk/utc/cameralocs.htm

and then we can all see the action for ourselves

Originally posted by scottf
oh what fun that was this morning!!! A big SUV is overturned there- fire, police and ambulances all in attendance- causing chaos in the city!!!!

Want a bigger laugh ? imagine being in a crash on the motor way and being in a VW !

Originally posted by poppins
Want a bigger laugh ? imagine being in a crash on the motor way and being in a VW !

Huh?

I intend to drive a defender, i think they are amazing! they might be heavy on fuel but you can drive one your whole life and therefore not contribute to the piles of old cars waiting to be crushed into smaller metal cubes. if that isn't eco friendly enough my second choice would be a hybrid toyoto prius thing.

and i er currently drive a VW.

Originally posted by poppins
Want a bigger laugh ? imagine being in a crash on the motor way and being in a VW !
Well poppins, I think that a modern Golf or a Passat would be pretty good protection if you were in a crash. They are very well built and stong cars.

Originally posted by saxon51
Hairdresser's car?

http://www.twenot.nl/landrove.htm

http://www.ezthemes.com/previews/l/landrover.jpg

Hairdressers car!!!!

http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~agwagner/suv/
Lets Off Road!! :heyhey: ;)

Too right Tony, but only in the vehicles in the first 2 links.:thumbsup:

FYI: 2 people I know who were travelling at the time stopped at the accident before 999 crews arrived. Couple of minor injuries, nothing serious though apparently.

Originally posted by shouldi8
Why not view the councils traffic cameras at
http://sccplugins.sheffield.gov.uk/utc/cameralocs.htm

and then we can all see the action for ourselves

Added to favourites :thumbsup:

You realise I'll have to get Mr. Strix to drive the car somewhere, whilst I see if I can spot it on there :D

Originally posted by muddycoffee
Well poppins, I think that a modern Golf or a Passat would be pretty good protection if you were in a crash. They are very well built and stong cars.
I still don't fancy your chances against a tree or lorry :rolleyes:

Originally posted by shouldi8
Why not view the councils traffic cameras at
http://sccplugins.sheffield.gov.uk/utc/cameralocs.htm

and then we can all see the action for ourselves

when i read about the crash i pulled up the park square camara and it was offline, i think they tend to do that at times when there is a problem near one

dave

Originally posted by alchemist
when i read about the crash i pulled up the park square camara and it was offline, i think they tend to do that at times when there is a problem near one

dave

Well you don't want to see dead bodies being pulled from wrechage by accident, do you? Especially if it's somebody you know

Something to do with kerb i believe

Originally posted by burny
Something to do with kerb i believe

Who is kerb? :D

K x

Originally posted by saxon51
[B]Hairdresser's car?

http://www.twenot.nl/landrove.htm



well
http://www.twenot.nl/Specials/Landrover/tw01.jpg

this one certainly needs a trim......

but yes, essentially, a car for namby pambies -

this on the other hand

http://www.henrikc.dk/militaryvehicles/yugo/vbl.jpg

is for people who like to travel anywhere.

(Panhard VBL - based on a diesel Peugeot 405 .Particular features of note - optional NBC defence system, armor plated underbelly, airconditioning, long range, flexible seating system, large luggage capacity, 45deg incline capacity, top speed 100kmh - . It's also fully amphibious)

Originally posted by Phanerothyme
well
http://www.twenot.nl/Specials/Landrover/tw01.jpg

this one certainly needs a trim......

Obviously never been near a hairdresser then. :thumbsup: