as i was getting on the coach yesterday to come home i saw the building but what is it going to be didnt have chance to have a nosey does any1 know

It's the Sheffield Digital Campus - http://www.sheffielddigitalcampus.com/ And it's completely ruining the view out of my office :(

It's a fantastic building. Just what Sheffield needs as a gateway development.

The proposed hotel for the Nelson Mandella building is pretty impressive too.

All we need now is something iconic outside the train station where the old office blocks were demolished.

thanks for that i noticed all there is every where in sheffield at the moment is cranes an building work going on looks a right mess

It's a fantastic building. Just what Sheffield needs as a gateway development.

The proposed hotel for the Nelson Mandella building is pretty impressive too.

All we need now is something iconic outside the train station where the old office blocks were demolished.

Something iconic like an adequate size taxi rank and somewhere to pick-up/drop-off people at a major city station would be a start!

thanks for that i noticed all there is every where in sheffield at the moment is cranes an building work going on looks a right mess

I disagree.

I think all the cranes make for a beautiful sight.

A sure sign of future prosperity!

(awaits a flaming!)

Something iconic like an adequate size taxi rank and somewhere to pick-up/drop-off people at a major city station would be a start!

Well yes, i agree, it is a big ridiculous.

I disagree.

I think all the cranes make for a beautiful sight.

A sure sign of future prosperity!

(awaits a flaming!)

yes will be nice when done but been ages since been in the town an to see crane up on crane they must be doing alot to improve sheffield

yes will be nice when done but been ages since been in the town an to see crane up on crane they must be doing alot to improve sheffield

I know we shouldn't plug other sites but Skyscraper City (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=647) is an excellent source of information and discussion regarding Sheffield (and other town/city) developments.

:thumbsup:

thanks for that i noticed all there is every where in sheffield at the moment is cranes an building work going on looks a right mess

I am surprised that anyone could call it a mess. We are living through one of the most iconic moments in the history of sheffield as all the awful cheap post war buildings are replaced by much higher quality buildings which make much better use of the space in the city. The shopping for the first time will be in a proper "centre" instead of spread out along an impossible 2 mile stretch from moorfoot to the wicker.

The other point is that the apx. 29 tower cranes and construction you can see in the city at the moment is just a flavour of what is about to happen. When they get cracking with the Moor, Chesham house, the New retail Quarter(Sevenstone) and the West Bar development, then sheffield will feel like Dubai, with at least 3 times the amount of cranes we have today.

ok i take the mess remark back be nice to see it when it all done

Something iconic like an adequate size taxi rank and somewhere to pick-up/drop-off people at a major city station would be a start!

Picked a friend up from the station about 9pm on Tuesday night - about 20 taxis queueing right around the corner past the car park. You had to blindly take a chance and pull out into the oncoming traffic to get round the corner and into the pick up point. Its ridiculous.

It would be OK if you were still allowed to park in the multi-storey for free for 1 hour to pick someone up. But that's been stopped now so all traffic has to sit in the gridlock caused by the taxis who seem to think that being 4 feet closer to the front of the rank and blocking the whole area is going to get their next fare quicker. And then when you get to the pick up area there's what, 8 spaces? and then people turn into the undercover loopy bit and stop immediately rather than pull forward. And you can't get round them because it's been built too narrow. Best bet is to just pull up and park on the pavement at the entrance to the multistorey, it's plenty wide enough and you don't get involved in the jam.
Nice surroundings or not, being able to access the station is key to the experience of visitors to the city. Currently it's a joke that leaves a very bad impression with visitors (and locals).

I disagree.

I think all the cranes make for a beautiful sight.

A sure sign of future prosperity!

(awaits a flaming!)

You're awaiting a flaming because you know you're talking a load of b****cks about cranes making a beautiful site and as for a 'sure sign of future prosperity', where are all the permanent jobs being created by these developments, other than for people like yourselves (estate agents?) to make a quick buck from.

I actually quite like cranes. They move about and are a darn site more attractive than some of the other sights on the Sheffield skyline.
And I guess the permanent jobs come when the buildings are finished and businesses move in (assuming they won't sit empty for years).

You're awaiting a flaming because you know you're talking a load of b****cks about cranes making a beautiful site and as for a 'sure sign of future prosperity', where are all the permanent jobs being created by these developments, other than for people like yourselves (estate agents?) to make a quick buck from.

I think you need to be more positive.

Have you not read the ongoing reports about Sheffield becoming more and more desirable to large companies?

There are LOTS of grade-A offices being built around the city, as well as hotels etc.

Sheffield is rapidly creating more of a 'pull' for investment and i think within 2 or so years the city will really reap the rewards.

Do you honestly believe companies would invest in constructing these developments if they didn't think the demans was there?

You seem somewhat resentful of this city. Maybe it's time to look at your own failings instead of blaming others.

:loopy:

I am surprised that anyone could call it a mess. We are living through one of the most iconic moments in the history of sheffield as all the awful cheap post war buildings are replaced by much higher quality buildings which make much better use of the space in the city. The shopping for the first time will be in a proper "centre" instead of spread out along an impossible 2 mile stretch from moorfoot to the wicker.

The other point is that the apx. 29 tower cranes and construction you can see in the city at the moment is just a flavour of what is about to happen. When they get cracking with the Moor, Chesham house, the New retail Quarter(Sevenstone) and the West Bar development, then sheffield will feel like Dubai, with at least 3 times the amount of cranes we have today.

You're embarrassing yourself muddycoffee by some of your comments here.
Sheffield going through an iconic moment would be :hihi: if it wasn't so stupid. I can't think of a city where the word 'iconic' has been more overused and therefore much undervalued and simply rarely implemented.
Turning Sheffield into Dubai? Not my idea of a nice place to be. Didn't you know that what looks impressive under a scorching desert sun can look absolutely dreadful on a wet, miserable winters day in England?:gag:
I think you should stick to what you do relatively well (road movies) and leave the planning and aesthetic design of the city to those who know what they're talking about.

and leave the planning and aesthetic design of the city to those who know what they're talking about.

That certainly wouldn't be you then.

:hihi:

You're awaiting a flaming because you know you're talking a load of b****cks about cranes making a beautiful site You forgot to add 'in your opinion'. I too think cranes add something to a city centre skyline.

I actually quite like cranes. They move about and are a darn site more attractive than some of the other sights on the Sheffield skyline.

Wouldn't disagree with you there!:thumbsup:

And I guess the permanent jobs come when the buildings are finished and businesses move in (assuming they won't sit empty for years).

Yes. There are a few offices planned but the vast majority are still for flats, (mainly for students) the majority of the rest remain empty for long periods.

ok i take the mess remark back be nice to see it when it all done

That's what they always said....

"Sheffield, it'll be nice when it's finished"

Maybe SCC should adopt it as their slogan?

I think you need to be more positive.

Have you not read the ongoing reports about Sheffield becoming more and more desirable to large companies?

There are LOTS of grade-A offices being built around the city, as well as hotels etc.

Sheffield is rapidly creating more of a 'pull' for investment and i think within 2 or so years the city will really reap the rewards.

Do you honestly believe companies would invest in constructing these developments if they didn't think the demans was there?

You seem somewhat resentful of this city. Maybe it's time to look at your own failings instead of blaming others.

:loopy:

Have you not read reports that there is to be a sharp economic downturn in 2008.

Other than the office block planned for the former site of Office World on Eyre Street can you tell me about any other grade A private office development for private corporations that are definately going ahead in 2008?

That certainly wouldn't be you then.

:hihi:

You haven't seen my plans for the future of the city so obviously you're not in a position to comment on whether they are better than the mess we have at the moment.:P
Without a shadow of a doubt I can assure you they are.;)

All we need now is something iconic outside the train station where the old office blocks were demolished.

According to the Digital Campus website the third phase of their development will occupy the messy space next to the station.

Have you not read reports that there is to be a sharp economic downturn in 2008.

Other than the office block planned for the former site of Office World on Eyre Street can you tell me about any other grade A private office development for private corporations that are definately going ahead in 2008?

Have you not read all the reports saying Sheffield looks likely to buck this trend? (Obviously all the reports both negative and positive have to be looked at objectively, not sure you're doing this though).

There's the office world block - 100,000 sqft, St Paul Place 2 & 3 - both about 60,000 sqft, Savile House - 110,000 sqft, the E-Campus (what this thread is about) - 600,000 sqft, St. Mary's Gate - 60,000 sqft, Chesham House - ?60,000 sqft?, The Courts - 60,000 sqft, V2 & 3 both about 70,000sqft. And so the list goes on...

That's not including smaller schemes such as The Gateway, Velocity Tower or various apartment blocks which have office in them up to about 30,000 sqft.

Also, the West Bar development which will deliver about 1 million sqft of office space should get approval at the start of this year.

So yes there IS a lot of office space under construction, which if filled WILL bring permanent jobs to the city.

Actually, I would go as far as saying there's more office space under construction than residential.

You beat me to it Paul.

... what an idiot.

I would just like to support Paulmat's post by saying that there is such a demand for new Grade A, office space in sheffield that many under construction office blocks are already bought and will be full as soon as they are released to the buyer.

i only wanted to find out what the bilding was not start a debate :hihi:

And just incase you now think there's nothing but apartments and offices going up;

Retail/Leisure:
Sevenstone will be starting construction this year - 860,000 sqft,
work has already started on the redevelopment of the Moor - 1 million sqft+,
the NUM building will be replaced with offices and retail/leisure space (don't know how much),
the West Bar development will have 170,000 sqft of retail and leisure
and most of the apartment blocks going up have retail units on the ground floor.

How about some more permanent jobs (and bring in more tourists) - Hotels:
Our first 5* hotel should start construction this year - This will help make Sheffield more of a business destination, especially as Leeds, Liverpool, Newcastle, Nottingham, Leicester and more don't have one,
there's the Office World site hotel,
St Marys gate,
Bramall Lane,
another on the riverside,
a 4 or 5* outside the station,
and once again, that all singing all dancing West Bar development will have another 4 or 5*

Right then, I know a lof of you like to believe the council is anti-car, but here's some multi-storey car parks they're building:
Arundel Gate,
Eyre Street,
Charter Row,
Scotland Street,
Park Hill,
and at least two are planned as part of the West Bars development

I know rugs will still denounce all that's happening in Sheffield, but hopefully it will show some people that our city centre is evolving from a wasteland into what should be a thriving centre attracting jobs, and people from all across the country. :)

i only wanted to find out what the bilding was not start a debate :hihi:

You can never manage that on the SheffieldForum. ;)

How many workers per 1000sq ft of office space ? Will all this new office space be taken by relocation of existing city companies or will there thousands of new jobs ?

How will the local transport/road system cope ? One thing I don't see are plans for any new roads and the council are busy blocking many of the old routes. Apparently all traffic now has to pass through Cutler's Gate ;)

Well the number of workers per 1,000 sqft varies quite a bit. In a tightly packed call centre you could get quite a few more than somewhere with a lot of desk space.

As an example of size, if you've been into the new H&M or River Island in town, they're about 20,000 sqft, TK Maxx is 18,000 sqft and Virgin is something similar. So if you imagine these with desks in, you can guess how many you will fit in. ;)

I'm afraid I couldn't say whether the space will be taken by local companies, or new ones. I would imagine there will be some companies already in the city wanting new space, but this could also open up room for those to expand.

And with the local transport links, yeah I do agree they need some work on them.

Not forgetting that many current Sheffield companies will gain more business from the new companies which will also create extra jobs.

i only wanted to find out what the bilding was not start a debate :hihi:

Count yourself lucky no one's mentioned muslims yet :hihi:

And just incase you now think there's nothing but apartments and offices going up;

Retail/Leisure:
Sevenstone will be starting construction this year - 860,000 sqft,
work has already started on the redevelopment of the Moor - 1 million sqft+,
the NUM building will be replaced with offices and retail/leisure space (don't know how much),
the West Bar development will have 170,000 sqft of retail and leisure
and most of the apartment blocks going up have retail units on the ground floor.

How about some more permanent jobs (and bring in more tourists) - Hotels:
Our first 5* hotel should start construction this year - This will help make Sheffield more of a business destination, especially as Leeds, Liverpool, Newcastle, Nottingham, Leicester and more don't have one,
there's the Office World site hotel,
St Marys gate,
Bramall Lane,
another on the riverside,
a 4 or 5* outside the station,
and once again, that all singing all dancing West Bar development will have another 4 or 5*

Right then, I know a lof of you like to believe the council is anti-car, but here's some multi-storey car parks they're building:
Arundel Gate,
Eyre Street,
Charter Row,
Scotland Street,
Park Hill,
and at least two are planned as part of the West Bars development

I know rugs will still denounce all that's happening in Sheffield, but hopefully it will show some people that our city centre is evolving from a wasteland into what should be a thriving centre attracting jobs, and people from all across the country. :)

:hihi: I think Paulmat and Unisol are, as usual, living in fantasy land.
The stats you've used only impress the people who have a vested interest in these developments and the naive!

There are lots of wills and coulds in there Paulmat and, as I'm sure you know but are scared to admit, these schemes are reliant on the state of the national economy which will ultimately decide what gets built and what doesn't despite the positive spin put on Sheffield's future economic state by faceless beaurocrats that are unaccountable and unreachable to the Sheffield public.

You know, as well as I do, that for every temporary, glossy, shiny new development that gets built, another part of the city suffers. For most jobs created, a similar number are lost elsewhere in the immediate locality.

While ever you remain on here putting a positive spin on mediocre redevelopment schemes, I'll be here to bring some much needed balance to the debate.;)

:hihi: I think Paulmat and Unisol are, as usual, living in fantasy land.
The stats you've used only impress the people who have a vested interest in these developments and the naive!

There are lots of wills and coulds in there Paulmat and, as I'm sure you know but are scared to admit, these schemes are reliant on the state of the national economy which will ultimately decide what gets built and what doesn't despite the positive spin put on Sheffield's future economic state by faceless beaurocrats that are unaccountable and unreachable to the Sheffield public.

You know, as well as I do, that for every temporary, glossy, shiny new development that gets built, another part of the city suffers. For most jobs created, a similar number are lost elsewhere in the immediate locality.

While ever you remain on here putting a positive spin on mediocre redevelopment schemes, I'll be here to bring some much needed balance to the debate.;)You're not from Leeds by any chance? :rolleyes:

You're not from Leeds by any chance? :rolleyes:

Now that's the most insulting thing anybody's ever said to me!:o

No I'm not old bean. Sheffield born and bred!:love:

Unfortunately, that's the problem. Sheffield's trying to turn itself into L**ds!:gag: And I'm sure you wouldn't want that now would you?

Now that's the most insulting thing anybody's ever said to me!:o

No I'm not old bean. Sheffield born and bred!:love:

Unfortunately, that's the problem. Sheffield's trying to turn itself into L**ds!:gag: And I'm sure you wouldn't want that now would you?

No we are just trying to turn or self in to a city that is once again able to compete with Leeds and the other big cities.

No we are just trying to turn or self in to a city that is once again able to compete with Leeds and the other big cities.

And obviously, indoing so, you end up just like them! But, in reality, just a pale imitation.:(

no i don`t believe so, nothing is really that special about Leeds especially, in fact i would say most of our city centre is better then theirs, and is different in so many ways, good ways.

No I'm not old bean. Sheffield born and bred!:love:

Stop being so negative then and have something positive to say about our fair city. Its been in decline for so long. We should all now be embracing the regrowth.

Sheffield will never be like that West Yorkshire s***hole........there are nice people living here. :hihi:

It is interesting to read the list of organisations involved in the Digital Campus ..

http://www.sheffielddigitalcampus.com/delivery_partners/

Its pretty much the usual suspects playing with tax payers money. It would be interesting to know if they have any tenants lined up for it. Anyone want to guess if the building will be empty in 2 years time or they will have bitten the bullet and put a call centre in there :suspect:

no i don`t believe so, nothing is really that special about Leeds especially, in fact i would say most of our city centre is better then theirs, and is different in so many ways, good ways.

I totally agree.
Their city centre is as bad as it is because of the uncontrolled, crass developments that have happened during the last 10 to 15 years. L**ds had probably the finest Victorian city centre of any city in the UK but instead of building on that legacy they've gone for the quick buck and created lots of centralised wealth surrounded by a ring of inner city poverty.
It's almost like an English version of an Indian or South American city! Not my idea of progress.

Stop being so negative then and have something positive to say about our fair city. Its been in decline for so long. We should all now be embracing the regrowth.

Sheffield will never be like that West Yorkshire s***hole........there are nice people living here. :hihi:

Try reading some of my other posts by clicking on my username and you'll find plenty of positives as well as constructive critisism. There are plenty of world beating developments that have happened in Sheffield which just makes it all the more frustrating when these developments are surrounded by crap.

There are lots of wills and coulds in there Paulmat and, as I'm sure you know but are scared to admit, these schemes are reliant on the state of the national economy which will ultimately decide what gets built and what doesn't despite the positive spin put on Sheffield's future economic state by faceless beaurocrats that are unaccountable and unreachable to the Sheffield public.



You're going to look even more stupid then when all the developments Paul listed are built because they are all approved and mostly currently under construction and already let/bought.

The main cause of Sheffield's apathy towards progress is because we have too many people like Rugs.

They should go and live in Grimsby or something.

:gag:

Try reading some of my other posts by clicking on my username and you'll find plenty of positives as well as constructive critisism. There are plenty of world beating developments that have happened in Sheffield which just makes it all the more frustrating when these developments are surrounded by crap. I did yesterday, that's how i came to my conclusion. Afraid you come across as a bit of a resident know it all tbh.

You're going to look even more stupid then when all the developments Paul listed are built because they are all approved and mostly currently under construction and already let/bought.

The main cause of Sheffield's apathy towards progress is because we have too many people like Rugs.

They should go and live in Grimsby or something.

:gag:

If you read my original challenge it was about specific office developments (not shops or housing) for private companies (not government organisations) that will definately be built during 2008.
I understand perfectly well what developments have planning permission and which ones work has already started on and even find one of them in particular (West Bar) a decent proposal for that particular site, just off the ring road, in the valley bottom and in a recognised office/business area (it's just a shame that the 3rd tower at the northern end of the site with a sloping south facing roof isn't going to have solar panels fitted).

As for apathy. There is a lot in Sheffield, but for good reason and that's because we've been here before in the 1960's where we've rushed headlong into the latest trendy thing about how we're all going to live and work in the future and then when people suddenly realise that it's not for them the city's left with huge swathes of derelict, unsaleable/unletable housing. The only difference this time is that these future ghettos are privately financed rather than publicly funded.

I did yesterday, that's how i came to my conclusion. Afraid you come across as a bit of a resident know it all tbh.

:o Rudeboy! You're so rude.:)
Actually, I am a bit of a know it all. But then again when I've studied architecture, planning, urban design, economic and environmental sustainability for the last 10 years then I'm afraid I do know it all (well nearly, as much as anyone can with the passion I have for the subject) and I would be patronising you and insulting your intelligence if I was to say otherwise.:P

If you've read my other posts you should be able to tell me on your next post what buildings/developments I actually like then!

:o Rudeboy! You're so rude.:)
Actually, I am a bit of a know it all. But then again when I've studied architecture, planning, urban design, economic and environmental sustainability for the last 10 years then I'm afraid I do know it all (well nearly, as much as anyone can with the passion I have for the subject) and I would be patronising you and insulting your intelligence if I was to say otherwise.:P

If you've read my other posts you should be able to tell me on your next post what buildings/developments I actually like then!

I fear I'm not worthy to respond to someone who's been studying a subject for all of 10 years. :rolleyes: