i have just watched a bit of kill it, cook it, eat it.
its just shown how they kill a piglet. :loopy:
now i eat meat but i didnt need to see this.
anyone else see this?

i have just watched a bit of kill it, cook it, eat it.
its just shown how they kill a piglet. :loopy:
now i eat meat but i didnt need to see this.
anyone else see this?

I think the clue was in the title...

i have just watched a bit of kill it, cook it, eat it.
its just shown how they kill a piglet. :loopy:
now i eat meat but i didnt need to see this.
anyone else see this?

why SHOULDNT you see it?
thats your food, thats how it lives, thats how it dies, if more people see the truth then maybe more people would THINK about how they live their lives, not just about meat, but everything

I purposely didn't watch it I'm not sure what watching the death of an animal is meant to achieve :(

I purposely didn't watch i'm I'm not sure what watching the death of an animal is meant to achieve :(

thank you.

you must`ve known they would be doing that(what with the title) if you didn`t want to see it then why watch it?

you must`ve known they would be doing that(what with the title) if you didn`t want to see it then why watch it?

i didnt realise and i didnt watch it.
i was watching eastenders then went to answer the phone, when i came back it was on.
never realised eastenders had finished.

I purposely didn't watch it I'm not sure what watching the death of an animal is meant to achieve :(

Well it shows people where their meat comes from. Unless someone is a vegetarian, they have no right complaining that it's not nice, that's pure hypocrisy.

Well it shows people where their meat comes from. Unless someone is a vegetarian, they have no right complaining that it's not nice, that's pure hypocrisy.

I think that everyone knows where meat comes from surely, unless they live in a bubble perhaps.

The older I get the more I'm convinced that if you want to eat meat you should prove you could kill it, maybe pluck it and gut it yourself. I'm not that old but I've always known where meat comes from and when it comes down to it, I've done and am willing to do it.

I'm not blood thirsty and I'm not a loony who enjoys it in any way, but it does make you respect the animal you're eating a lot more than just trying to blank out the grisly details of origin of your sausage roll.

The older I get the more I'm convinced that if you want to eat meat you should prove you could kill it, maybe pluck it and gut it yourself. I'm not that old but I've always known where meat comes from and when it comes down to it, I've done and am willing to do it.

I'm not blood thirsty and I'm not a loony who enjoys it in any way, but it does make you respect the animal you're eating a lot more than just trying to blank out the grisly details of origin of your sausage roll.

I understand the point that your making, but I also know very well that I have the greatest respect for animals and I don't need to see it die to bring it home to me that it did.

I understand the point that your making, but I also know very well that I have the greatest respect for animals and I don't need to see it die to bring it home to me that it did.

Maybe, maybe not, never say never I guess, we can always learn something.

I think that everyone knows where meat comes from surely, unless they live in a bubble perhaps.

My thoughts exactly.

i didnt realise and i didnt watch it.
i was watching eastenders then went to answer the phone, when i came back it was on.
never realised eastenders had finished.

Ahhhhh!
ok, i thought you`d put it on for quick look or something, I get it now!

i didnt realise and i didnt watch it.
i was watching eastenders then went to answer the phone, when i came back it was on.
never realised eastenders had finished.

I'd love to see phil mitchell slit a piglets throat :hihi:

Maybe, maybe not, never say never I guess, we can always learn something.

Its not something that I feel I need to learn, and I'm not sure just what the lesson would be?

We have it on now, we just watched them slaughtering piglets.

I've watched this yes and all it's shown me, is how humanely and well treated the animals are. The pork production in this country is brilliant, the treatment of the pigs by the Spanish people was disgusting. Calling them food and not even acknowledging that they are animals! The UK ones were treated so much better :) Look for the labels, buy British pork is all that I've learned from this!

I've watched this yes and all it's shown me, is how humanely and well treated the animals are. The pork production in this country is brilliant, the treatment of the pigs by the Spanish people was disgusting. Calling them food and not even acknowledging that they are animals! The UK ones were treated so much better :) Look for the labels, buy British pork is all that I've learned from this!

Mmm well you may think me cynical but they would hardly put a foot wrong while being filmed would they!

It's a strange idea for a programme. The format seems to be based on Autopsy with Dr Gunther von Plastinate (or whatever his name is).

I believe that if you eat meat you should understand where it comes from, but this sort of Infotainment TV is ultimately
pointless.

I don't understand why they are obsessing on the age of the piglets they are eating, why is that relevant? They are about twice the age of your average roast chicken.

One other thing - the butcher featured in the programme is John Mettrick. I wonder if he's the same J Mettrick whose shop near Glossop is used as the set for the butchers shop in League of Gentleman which sells special stuff?

I didn't watch it as I was working. Isn't there one on soon with Jamie Oliver too about how they kill chickens?

I purposely didn't watch it I'm not sure what watching the death of an animal is meant to achieve :(

Erm, it is to educate people about the whole process of producing meat. People have become detatched from this cos all they see is a perfectly packaged, clean piece of meat presented to them in a supermarket. That's my take on it, anyway.

Apparently later in the series they've got Armin Meiwes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armin_Meiwes) appearing as a special guest.

Of course, when people become detached from 'squeamishness' producers can do exactly what they want because no one is going to ask questions. I totally agree urban caveman, if I wasn't prepared to kill at least some of what I eat, not that I eat a great deal of meat anymore anyway, then I would give up meat totally, it is pure cowardice to cosume it without actually killing it or facing up to the fact that a lot of animals live a pretty miserable life to provide pretty rubbish meat to people who are deliberately ignorant. I didn't think I could do it and it was very odd day when I actually did kill an animal for food, eviscerating an animal while it's still warm, etc. was a completely alien experience but I'm glad I did it. One day hopefully all the meat I eat I will have raised myself.

I just thought that it was a poorly made programme. I am told that it is ''chop a Goat time'' tonight.
I think that the Pub is looking favourite.

I just thought that it was a poorly made programme. I am told that it is ''chop a Goat time'' tonight.
I think that the Pub is looking favourite.

I wouldn't argue with that, BBC1 is usually poor but BBC3...

I won't watch trash like that. What is it with food programmes that they've become the province of men (and the McKeith woman) all trying to out-macho one another lately? If it's not posturing about pseudo-science, it's shlock horror or OTT swearing. Christ, Nigella might be too posh for words but at least it makes food look pleasurable.

If they want to get serious about 'where food comes from' then do it in a serious way, not as cheap Infotainment.

What's next? Some Infotainment about the Holocaust by having a Big Brother style show featuring 'real Jews'? It's just 'Jerk Off TV' made by some executive who thinks he's young and 'hard' by being as shocking as possible.

Absolutely agree Mathom, I remember a time, not long ago when there were some really first class documentaries on this subject being made, where there is some real enquiry not "here are the facts we think are relevant followed by a spurious and specious conclusion."

Don't get me started on McKeith, I won't be responsible for my actions. I'd love her to actually try and sue me for defaming her in some way, debunking and exposing her quackery could be a new weekend hobby in the run up to the trial!

I hope you're reading this McKeith!

The purpose of the show is to make you aware that clean, cellophane wrapped pieces of meat were once a living, breathing animal and it deserves respect and you should think about your actions when you consume meat.

I'm a committed carnivore and I watched and I think everyone who eats meat should watch it to acknowledge that in order for you to enjoy your sunday roast something has to die. If you're not prepared to watch and acknowledge that then you are a hypocrite of the first order. Desparately trying to distance yourself from what is essentially a nasty process in order to reap the rewards.

It also shows the skill and dedication of the butcher. It would also do you good every now and again to go and see your local butcher and purchase from him instead of a supermarket. He has more soul, more passion, more respect for animals and more integrity in his little bloodstained finger than tesco ever will.

It's a strange idea for a programme. The format seems to be based on Autopsy with Dr Gunther von Plastinate (or whatever his name is).

I believe that if you eat meat you should understand where it comes from, but this sort of Infotainment TV is ultimately
pointless.

I don't understand why they are obsessing on the age of the piglets they are eating, why is that relevant? They are about twice the age of your average roast chicken.

One other thing - the butcher featured in the programme is John Mettrick. I wonder if he's the same J Mettrick whose shop near Glossop is used as the set for the butchers shop in League of Gentleman which sells special stuff?

I just looked it up and the John Mettrick featured as the butcher on the programme IS the very same one whose shop in Hadfield near Glossop is the one used in League of Gentlemen.

http://www.mettricksbutchers.co.uk/cgi-bin/news/news.pl

The purpose of the show is to make you aware that clean, cellophane wrapped pieces of meat were once a living, breathing animal and it deserves respect and you should think about your actions when you consume meat. .

I don't need some cheap infotainment hectoring me about food, where it comes from, where it goes and how it's turned into poo in-between.

I also don't need them dressing it up in something 'guilt trippy' that the Vegetarian Society would put out in one of their tracts. It's not like prior to the rise of Tesco in the 70s we were all hunter gatherers, responsible for butchering our own meat. We have bought it from shops and traders for centuries - even people who raised their own pigs (like my grandparents) paid someone professional to come in and 'do the deed'.

If people want to watch this stuff it's a long, long way from doing any kind of public service - it's demeaning the whole thing because the majority of the audience watch it just to see if they can stomach watching animals being killed.

I don't need some cheap infotainment hectoring me about food, where it comes from, where it goes and how it's turned into poo in-between.

I also don't need them dressing it up in something 'guilt trippy' that the Vegetarian Society would put out in one of their tracts. It's not like prior to the rise of Tesco in the 70s we were all hunter gatherers, responsible for butchering our own meat. We have bought it from shops and traders for centuries - even people who raised their own pigs (like my grandparents) paid someone professional to come in and 'do the deed'.

If people want to watch this stuff it's a long, long way from doing any kind of public service - it's demeaning the whole thing because the majority of the audience watch it just to see if they can stomach watching animals being killed.No, you just want to mindlessly consume without a thought about how it gets there. so long as you are gratified then thats all that matters

No, you just want to mindlessly consume without a thought about how it gets there. so long as you are gratified then thats all that matters

Not at all ;) I watched pigs and chickens being slaughtered when I was a child - not on TV but close up and in the 'flesh' so to speak, unfortunate turn of phrase! My family was also into fishing, shooting and hunting and we'd regularly have rows of dead birds, pheasant, partridge, duck, pigeon etc lined up in our porch. I've also prepared pheasant myself - picking the lead shot out if it's been hung for a long time is quite a nasty job as it's bloody and stinks. And I've watched black pudding being made - a big bucket of blood and fat which you have to stir with your hand until it clots...

No. I just think this is cynical TV. If people want to see if they can watch animals being slaughtered, they should go and do a day's work in a processing plant or abbatoir because those places struggle to retain any staff and they'd be glad to offer some work ;)

It's all very well being able to watch it in the telly with a beer in your hand but 99% of people would never work in a chicken plant beyond an hour or two.

Why do these programmes have to exist?Along with that bloody chicken farm prog by Whittingstall or whatever his name is.I don't want to watch stuff being killed for entertainment of the masses.

For Christmas I skinned, guttered, cleaned and cooked a pheasant.
I didn't kill it though but as I eat meat, game etc I think I ought to be able to take it through all the stages.
hazel

I think the aim of most of these programmes (and definitely Hugh f_W's) is to campaign for the improvement of the welfare of animals reared for meat consumption.
They are trying to make a difference at the consumer end of the market and make the general public realise that cheap meat prices have a consequence for the health and welfare of the animal.

They are trying to encourage us to be more responsible about the meat we eat and I say well done!

Animal welfare standards in the UK are in general way ahead of the continent (specifically with respect to pork production I think) but we should realise that if we only ever seek the cheapest product (£2 chickens, battery eggs) then we need to accept that we are complicit in a system that treats animals in an inhumane way.

It is nice to be kind to animals, when you have got plenty of brass. Some people can only afford £2 for a chicken.
If it's a choice between putting grub on the table and a maltreated chicken - then intercourse the chicken.

It is nice to be kind to animals, when you have got plenty of brass. Some people can only afford £2 for a chicken.
If it's a choice between putting grub on the table and a maltreated chicken - then intercourse the chicken.

But it never used to be this cheap - what did people do before the supermarket price plummeted?

Better home economics (!) would enable everyone to be able to pay the extra 50p a head to buy meat that has been raised humanely.

But then, a lot of people could not care less about animal welfare. That's the bottom line.

But it never used to be this cheap - what did people do before the supermarket price plummeted?.

Went poaching.

Seriously.

Went poaching.

Seriously.

I can't imagine the majority of single parents from the ASDA aisles out in the dead of night going all Danny The Champion of the World...

Supermarket price wars have only been driving down the price of chicken to unsustainable levels (as we've seen with milk) in the last few years.

Perhaps we do need to persuade all the shoot managers that the thousands of pheasants they bury each year after the hoi polloi have had their fun can find a much more welcome home in corner shops and butchers...win win all round.

But it never used to be this cheap - what did people do before the supermarket price plummeted?

Better home economics (!) would enable everyone to be able to pay the extra 50p a head to buy meat that has been raised humanely.

But then, a lot of people could not care less about animal welfare. That's the bottom line.

And if more people bought them, there would be mroe demand, farmers could put more land over to humane production, supermarkets could buy in more and the prices would come down, as they have done to an extent with organic fruit and veg. It will never be able to rival value meats, but I'd rather eat less decent and well reared meat.

It is nice to be kind to animals, when you have got plenty of brass. Some people can only afford £2 for a chicken.
If it's a choice between putting grub on the table and a maltreated chicken - then intercourse the chicken.Which is a very valid point. But if you can afford to not eat the cheapest stuff then you shouldn't eat it.

I think the aim of most of these programmes (and definitely Hugh f_W's) is to campaign for the improvement of the welfare of animals reared for meat consumption.
They are trying to make a difference at the consumer end of the market and make the general public realise that cheap meat prices have a consequence for the health and welfare of the animal.

They are trying to encourage us to be more responsible about the meat we eat and I say well done!

Animal welfare standards in the UK are in general way ahead of the continent (specifically with respect to pork production I think) but we should realise that if we only ever seek the cheapest product (£2 chickens, battery eggs) then we need to accept that we are complicit in a system that treats animals in an inhumane way.

I think we also have to accept that we are complicit in the number of OAP's dying from cold each winter because they cannot heat their homes now that is inhumane.

Age Concern estimate more than 20,000 people over 65 across the UK will die between December and March. Thats Eight an hour.

LINK (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4371096.stm)

Why are we complicit, because generally it's out of site out of mind and wrinkly OAP's aren't as cute as fluffy animals so we choose not to think about it.

Ironically while places like Spain, France and Italy may not have the high standard of animal husbandry as the UK they do tend to look after their old folk a damn site better than us Brits.

I can't imagine the majority of single parents from the ASDA aisles out in the dead of night going all Danny The Champion of the World...

Supermarket price wars have only been driving down the price of chicken to unsustainable levels (as we've seen with milk) in the last few years.

Perhaps we do need to persuade all the shoot managers that the thousands of pheasants they bury each year after the hoi polloi have had their fun can find a much more welcome home in corner shops and butchers...win win all round.

Few people have had to scrimp to afford a bit of chicken in the past fifty years or so, but back when my grandparents were young they were so poor sometimes they even had to share a boiled egg between two. Meat was for rich people only. My grandad suffered lifelong anaemia as a result and wasn't even fit enough to fight in WWII. So when he was old enough he turned to poaching and they always had meat on the table.

Intensive chicken rearing has been going on for at least 40 years and in a lot of cases is now more humane than it used to be - certainly in terms of egg production which was truly awful when I was a kid - I've seen the farms.

Pheasants do get eaten - it's very nice too. And you get the bonus of eating meat that really has been reared humanely as pheasants get to roam all over!

What gets to me is waste rather than anything else - I cannot throw away meat, I feel too guilty, so I only ever buy just enough. Which is one of the reasons we don't have turkey at Christmas.

I enjoyed pheasant this year for our New Year's meal (and bread sauce - yum) - what gets my goat is how many are wasted as a result of shoots, when so many more people could be enjoying them, yet we are cramming chickens into dark barns with not enough room to move.
I guess animal welfare standards (particularly for poor old chickens) have been worse in the past, but people need to be aware of the implications of cheap supermarket prices as they make their decisions at the aisle - I liked the in-store video idea!

And don't get me started on people wasting food because they don't know how to cook, or are scared of 'best-before' dates...