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rajivsingh 27-12-2007, 13:58 Ok bear with me on this one cos I may get flak but I want to try and make a point.
I think that for the first time in the history of British football, we have the best player in the world currently playing in our league. I know that Kaka won some award but a case can easily be made that Ronaldo is the best player in the world at present. Kaka was great in about 2 games last season and Milan are mince this season. He got plaudits largely cos he was great in two games that coincidently Ronaldo was poor in!
If we accept that R is the best, then it is a first as the best player has never played in the UK (at the time he was the best player) If we go backwards I d suggest that the best players have been Ronaldinho, Zidane, Ronaldo (the fat one) Gullit, van Basten, Maradona, Cruyff etc etc. Henry was probably the closest we had previously but was never better than Zidane or Ronaldinho.
Anyway what do you think?
Guderian 27-12-2007, 14:11 No, because he still tends to hide a bit in the really big games.
Ok, he is young, and is given a lot of attention by defenders, but it is still true.
I do believe it will come in time however....
Take Milan vs United last year.
Kaka excelled in front of a worldwide audience. I think that performance sealed his World Player award.
Ronaldo however was totally ineffective..
I wouldnt stand for a player winning such an award when he looks like a drag queen without the wig. Kaka for me.
briggy1967 27-12-2007, 14:19 Will go with ya on that one mate,Kaka won the World Player of the year award and probably just edged it but at the moment cant see past Ronaldo as number 1
Agent Gypo 27-12-2007, 15:47 Kaka, Christiano Ronaldo and Steven Gerrard are the worlds best for me.
No, because he still tends to hide a bit in the really big games.
Ok, he is young, and is given a lot of attention by defenders, but it is still true.
I don't pay enough attention to Premiership/European games to know if this is true, but I assume it is, since Guderian should know what he's talking about. :P
That's probably the clincher. The very best players are the ones who reach their greatest heights in the most important games. Ronaldo may very well be the most skilful around at the moment, but to qualify as a true great .. he's gotta do it against Chelsea, Real Madrid, and the likes of Italy in a WC semifinal or final.
ghettostan 27-12-2007, 17:13 Messi
Henry
Baptista
worlds best for me
CockneyMafia 27-12-2007, 17:32 He is a superb player. I had the privelege to see him play for Portugal against Brazil, and along with Quaresma, he was easily the best player on the pitch.
However, I find these 'best in the world' polls somewhat pointless because they only reward flair players who get goals, and never those who are equally important such as goalkeepers, defenders or defensive midfielders. It's a bit like looking at a great band and only ever remembering the lead singer.
A very good example of this is the Madrid team of 6 or 7 years ago, which was packed with flair players who won plaudits the world over. Yet their single most important player, and someone they never replaced, was Claude Makelele, possibly one of the most undervalued players on the globe at the time. By his own admission, Makelele is not a 'flair' player (he is certainly not a goalscorer) but it is no coincidence that after this departure, owing to Madrid's egoistic 'Galactico' policy, that they went on a run of several trophyless years. This may of course, be down to the fact they played a maverick attacking game without the need for such prosaic notions as a 'holding midfielder', but either way, players of this ilk, rarely, if ever, get the credit they deserve.
Going back to the OP, I am not sure who the best player in the world right now is. How can you compare a strikers worth to a goalkeepers? Would Ronaldo or Kaka be as effective if they weren't surrounded by world class players?
If the sign of a great player is to transform a teams fortunes, then Maradona for me will always be unsurpassed; it takes a rare breed of player to almost single handedly win your team the domestic championship, and your country the world cup.
sufc_tom 27-12-2007, 17:51 Yet their single most important player, and someone they never replaced, was Claude Makelele, possibly one of the most undervalued players on the globe at the time. By his own admission, Makelele is not a 'flair' player (he is certainly not a goalscorer) but it is no coincidence that after this departure, owing to Madrid's egoistic 'Galactico' policy, that they went on a run of several trophyless years.
Agree with absolutely everything you said Mikey.
Thats what gets my goat about all these fans puzzled why Lampard and Gerrard can't succeed at international level, but at club level is exceptional.
The answer is simple, because at club level Makalele does all the midfield work and often Lampard pops up with his party peice 25yard shot or a quality pass. Not taking anything away from Lampard, who is a GOOD player, but not great and simply benefits from all the good work of Makelele. Where someone like Gerrard is GREAT because he can boss a midfield in similar fashion to Makelele.
I agree that he is a fantastic player, although I wish he'd remove the 'falling down when touched' from his game.
scottishdude 27-12-2007, 21:25 Will go with ya on that one mate,Kaka won the World Player of the year award and probably just edged it but at the moment cant see past Ronaldo as number 1
Just edged it!!! He got 1047 votes, Messi got 500 and odd and Ronaldo got about 474 so i think he more than edged it. Even if you add Messi and Ronaldo together he still got more votes.
briggy1967 28-12-2007, 01:10 Just edged it!!! He got 1047 votes, Messi got 500 and odd and Ronaldo got about 474 so i think he more than edged it. Even if you add Messi and Ronaldo together he still got more votes.
I meant he just edged it in MY opinion mate,not in other peoples opinion!!!
rajivsingh 28-12-2007, 09:22 However, I find these 'best in the world' polls somewhat pointless because they only reward flair players who get goals, and never those who are equally important such as goalkeepers, defenders or defensive midfielders. It's a bit like looking at a great band and only ever remembering the lead singer.
A very good example of this is the Madrid team of 6 or 7 years ago, which was packed with flair players who won plaudits the world over. Yet their single most important player, and someone they never replaced, was Claude Makelele, possibly one of the most undervalued players on the globe at the time. By his own admission, Makelele is not a 'flair' player (he is certainly not a goalscorer) but it is no coincidence that after this departure, owing to Madrid's egoistic 'Galactico' policy, that they went on a run of several trophyless years. This may of course, be down to the fact they played a maverick attacking game without the need for such prosaic notions as a 'holding midfielder', but either way, players of this ilk, rarely, if ever, get the credit they deserve.
If the sign of a great player is to transform a teams fortunes, then Maradona for me will always be unsurpassed; it takes a rare breed of player to almost single handedly win your team the domestic championship, and your country the world cup.
Agree with all of this pretty much. Defensive players often get forgotten about and Makalele was prominent not only in Madrid's but also Chelsea's success.
And Maradona was the best player ever for all the reasons you say. Add to this the fact that tackling was even harder some years back without the plethora of red cards handed out now. He was amazing at mexico 86.
I still think that Ronaldo is playing better than Kaka at present. I dont watch much Italian football though but judging by the Milan derby and Milan's results this season he is nowhere near Ronaldo who has carried Utd for a season and half now.
As for the big stage player, he did it against England and also against Brazil. Maybe when he does it in a champions league final or semi then we ll finally recognise him.
CHAIRBOY 28-12-2007, 20:05 I saw Ferguson laughing today - at the media - and at the nonsense being written about Ronaldo's free-kicks and how he is supposedly placing the ball with the valve in a set position.
Totally wide of the mark! The secret is out thanks to Fergie: "Practice makes perfect"! I also think it helps when you don't attend the club's Christmas marathon.
The secret is out thanks to Fergie: "Practice makes perfect"!
But it doesn't. Beckham practised those free-kicks hour upon hour for what .. twenty years now? And he still misses most of the time.
It's LUCK that makes them occasionally fly into the corner.
I agree that he is a fantastic player, although I wish he'd remove the 'falling down when touched' from his game.
haha hes a lighweight, to answer the question tho, he is a only like 20 ish.. imagine in 10 years..? I think he is amazing.. Check out MOTD to watch them praise him...
briggy1967 29-12-2007, 01:30 But it doesn't. Beckham practised those free-kicks hour upon hour for what .. twenty years now? And he still misses most of the time.
It's LUCK that makes them occasionally fly into the corner.
Heyesey u are either taking the **** or you havent got a clue what you are talking about,Beckham has his faults but i cant think of a better taker of Free Kicks in the game.
Without his Free Kick v Greece at Old Trafford we wouldnt have qualified for the World Cup
But it doesn't. Beckham practised those free-kicks hour upon hour for what .. twenty years now? And he still misses most of the time.
It's LUCK that makes them occasionally fly into the corner.
Was it Lee Trevino who was accused by a journalist of being lucky after holing from off the green to deny Jacklin a major.
Trevino laughed and and replied.."its funny, the more I practise the luckier I seem to get"
For my two penneth...Kaka is the best player in the world but Ronaldo is catching him up with every game he plays
rajivsingh 29-12-2007, 09:15 haha hes a lighweight, to answer the question tho, he is a only like 20 ish.. imagine in 10 years..? I think he is amazing.. Check out MOTD to watch them praise him...
Yeah he does fall over a bit but it is blown out of proportion. Lots if not most other players playact too. Ballack dived to get the penalty and Zat Knight sent off but MOTD didnt mention that at all! There are lots of instances of players falling over every game but Ronaldo is singled out for criticism.
rajivsingh 08-01-2008, 15:20 Just bumping this back again as I dont think people have expressed their views on the premiership as opposed to whether ronaldo really is the best.
IF and I emphasis IF, Ronaldo is indeed the best, then is this a first for the English league.
i mean have we ever had the best player in the world playing here. And that would have to be at the time cos Gullit was past his best when he played here. Henry was good but better than zidane or ronaldinho?
I dont think so.
I think going backwards we have Ronaldinho, Zidane, Ronaldo(fat), Gullit, Van Basten, Maradona, Kempes, Cruyff etc.
Interested to know what others think!
Agent Gypo 08-01-2008, 15:32 I think it's hard to say that one player is better than any other in the world. Kaka and Ronaldo are undoubtedly more skilfull than Steven Gerrard, but I know whose name would be on my team sheet first.
I'd take Gerrard over someone like Zidane or vintage Ronaldinho too. Again, it's a no contest when it comes to skill, but Gerrard is the sort of player that galvanizes a whole team. Personally I think he's been the best midfielder in the world for the last 4 or 5 seasons.
rajivsingh 08-01-2008, 15:37 I think it's hard to say that one player is better than any other in the world. Kaka and Ronaldo are undoubtedly more skilfull than Steven Gerrard, but I know whose name would be on my team sheet first.
I'd take Gerrard over someone like Zidane or vintage Ronaldinho too. Again, it's a no contest when it comes to skill, but Gerrard is the sort of player that galvanizes a whole team. Personally I think he's been the best midfielder in the world for the last 4 or 5 seasons.
Sorry pal! But ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha !
Best in the world!!!!
He is good. in fact very good but get real! You d take him over zidane at his best!!!
I m dying here!
:hihi:
Guderian 08-01-2008, 15:56 I think Gerrard is a great player, but he is is not as disciplined as he might be.
Rafa once alluded to this, suggesting they needed someone to "put their foot on the ball" against Everton.
He took Gerrard off, as he was just charging around like a headless chicken.
Energy is one thing, but Gerrard tries too many "Hollywood" passes for me. Its ok when Beckham tries it, as he is accurate, but with Gerrard it often sails into the crowd over the head of the receiver.
Agent Gypo 08-01-2008, 16:12 Sorry pal! But ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha !
Best in the world!!!!
He is good. in fact very good but get real! You d take him over zidane at his best!!!
I m dying here!
:hihi:
Laugh all you want, in the interests of building a team I'd take Gerrard over Zidane every time. For similar reasons I'd take Alan Shearer over Ronaldo (Barca/Inter), Paolo Maldini over Ashley Cole, or John Terry over Rio Ferdinand.
NEKRO138 08-01-2008, 22:12 I think Bergkamp was certainly one of the best in the world during his time in the premiershp.
briggy1967 09-01-2008, 02:36 Laugh all you want, in the interests of building a team I'd take Gerrard over Zidane every time. For similar reasons I'd take Alan Shearer over Ronaldo (Barca/Inter), Paolo Maldini over Ashley Cole, or John Terry over Rio Ferdinand.
Gerrard over Zidane..........NO
Shearer over Ronaldo at his best.......NO
Maldini over Cole............is a poor comparison,Maldino everytime
Terry over Ferdinand is a tough one but would go for Terry cos of his leadership and he scores more goals
Guderian 09-01-2008, 08:19 Terry -utter carthorse for me. Suited to the Premiership, but never been convinced by him on a Euro/International stage.
SimpyTimpy 09-01-2008, 10:23 If you assume the fact that currently the Premiership is the best league in the world then it would be incredibly hard to look past Ronaldo being the best player in the world.
He's a midfielder, he's the top scorer in the Premiership; a league which includes strikers such as Drogba, Rooney, Torres, Berbatov etc. He's been instrumental in all of Manchester Uniteds successes over the last two years yet Kaka, who hasn't had a great season thus far is still considered better.
The fact that the best player in the world hasn't been in the English leagues for years is simple. Footballer of the Year awards are voted for by European nations, and there is a real stigma in Europe regarding the English game. It's probably linked to the fact that we call Terry, Gerrard, Rooney, Lampard, Ferdinand and Ashley Cole the top class players in the Premiership and the majority of Euro football fans only see them in international games - therefore thinking the Premiership is overrated.
The argument that Ronaldo doesn't excel in the harder games is a little unfair, although it does have some grounding. However many people will tell you that the Premiership title is won by the results the big four get against the 'average' teams rather than the results they get from playing each other. Ronaldo has played very well for Portugal on the international stage and has, apart from the Milan game last season, played exceptionally well in Europe for Man Utd.
If you ask me it was the games Man Utd played against Milan last season that settled people's opinions of which was the better player... and if you ask me, they voted the wrong player to be World Footballer of the Year.
Don't even get me started on how on earth Messi came 2nd in the Footballer of the Year award too - just another example of European bias.
rajivsingh 09-01-2008, 10:32 If you assume the fact that currently the Premiership is the best league in the world then it would be incredibly hard to look past Ronaldo being the best player in the world.
He's a midfielder, he's the top scorer in the Premiership; a league which includes strikers such as Drogba, Rooney, Torres, Berbatov etc. He's been instrumental in all of Manchester Uniteds successes over the last two years yet Kaka, who hasn't had a great season thus far is still considered better.
The fact that the best player in the world hasn't been in the English leagues for years is simple. Footballer of the Year awards are voted for by European nations, and there is a real stigma in Europe regarding the English game. It's probably linked to the fact that we call Terry, Gerrard, Rooney, Lampard, Ferdinand and Ashley Cole the top class players in the Premiership and the majority of Euro football fans only see them in international games - therefore thinking the Premiership is overrated.
The argument that Ronaldo doesn't excel in the harder games is a little unfair, although it does have some grounding. However many people will tell you that the Premiership title is won by the results the big four get against the 'average' teams rather than the results they get from playing each other. Ronaldo has played very well for Portugal on the international stage and has, apart from the Milan game last season, played exceptionally well in Europe for Man Utd.
If you ask me it was the games Man Utd played against Milan last season that settled people's opinions of which was the better player... and if you ask me, they voted the wrong player to be World Footballer of the Year.
Don't even get me started on how on earth Messi came 2nd in the Footballer of the Year award too - just another example of European bias.
Excellent post - primarily cos I agree with you!!!
I agree that Kaka was "better than ronaldo" based on the two games they palyed in the semi last year. Otherwise I am convinced that Ronaldo is better. kaka was rubbish in the Milan derby last week apart from one brilliant free kick.
Messi is actually very good but had a very fitful season last year too. Im sure a lot of his votes were because of the maradona style goal he scored.
Ive never really bought into the Sky Hype of the best league in the world. I dont think we are and i agree that we hype it too much calling all the above players world class (I mean Ashley Cole!!!!)
I ve still to find anyone to convince me that we ve ever had the best player in the world playing in the league.
rajivsingh 09-01-2008, 10:33 Terry -utter carthorse for me. Suited to the Premiership, but never been convinced by him on a Euro/International stage.
Dont let the little Englanders hear you say that! He s the best in the world dont you know!
rajivsingh 09-01-2008, 10:35 I think Bergkamp was certainly one of the best in the world during his time in the premiershp.
Probably the best call so far i think. he was certainly one of the best but I dont think did enough consistently over a season to be better than fat Ronaldo or Zidane.
Guderian 09-01-2008, 10:40 Dont let the little Englanders hear you say that! He s the best in the world dont you know!
Waiting for Briggy.......
Agent Gypo 09-01-2008, 12:16 Gerrard over Zidane..........NO
Shearer over Ronaldo at his best.......NO
Maldini over Cole............is a poor comparison,Maldino everytime
Terry over Ferdinand is a tough one but would go for Terry cos of his leadership and he scores more goals
I guess we all have different ideas of building a team. The reason I'd plump for the players mentioned is for their workrate, leadership and determination. For me, players like that are far more important to a team than Zidane, Ronaldinho and the like.
Of course, once a solid backbone is in place, a player like Ronaldo, Kaka or Zidane takes that team to another level.
Ronaldo.....Shearer
Christiano Ronaldo....Gattuso....Gerrard....Beckham
Maldini.....Terry....Cannavaro.....Neville
Schmeichel
A team like that is full of leaders, the kind of people who will work until they drop, with a few flair players. That's the kind of side I'd want.
briggy1967 09-01-2008, 14:14 I guess we all have different ideas of building a team. The reason I'd plump for the players mentioned is for their workrate, leadership and determination. For me, players like that are far more important to a team than Zidane, Ronaldinho and the like.
Of course, once a solid backbone is in place, a player like Ronaldo, Kaka or Zidane takes that team to another level.
Ronaldo.....Shearer
Christiano Ronaldo....Gattuso....Gerrard....Beckham
Maldini.....Terry....Cannavaro.....Neville
Schmeichel
A team like that is full of leaders, the kind of people who will work until they drop, with a few flair players. That's the kind of side I'd want.
Agreed mate,but tbh i think a team needs 1 leader on the pitch otherwise the others who want to be leaders (erspecially the ones you have mentioned) will get wound up and frustrated,and you dont need gattuso in midfield if you have Gerrard
Guderian 09-01-2008, 15:15 Why? Gattuso to hold, Gerrard to bomb on.
briggy1967 10-01-2008, 00:47 Why? Gattuso to hold, Gerrard to bomb on.
Because Gattuso doesnt hold,he runs around like a headless chicken i:e Robbie Savage and Gerrard would always be looking to cover for him,if you put someone like Carrick,King or Barry there to cover then yes it gives Gerrard freedom to bomb forward which is what he does best (and better than Lampard does)
Agent Gypo 10-01-2008, 02:22 Because Gattuso doesnt hold,he runs around like a headless chicken i:e Robbie Savage and Gerrard would always be looking to cover for him,if you put someone like Carrick,King or Barry there to cover then yes it gives Gerrard freedom to bomb forward which is what he does best (and better than Lampard does)
Carrick, King and Barry don't have anything like the same amount of aggression as Gattuso, but he is far from a 'headless chicken'. He's won 2 Champions League titles, a World Cup, and played 300 games for AC Milan as a holding midfield player.
By the way, Barry isn't really a holding midfielder (plays inside left in a 5) and King certainly can't hack it there.
rajivsingh 10-01-2008, 11:44 I guess we all have different ideas of building a team. The reason I'd plump for the players mentioned is for their workrate, leadership and determination. For me, players like that are far more important to a team than Zidane, Ronaldinho and the like.
Of course, once a solid backbone is in place, a player like Ronaldo, Kaka or Zidane takes that team to another level.
Ronaldo.....Shearer
Christiano Ronaldo....Gattuso....Gerrard....Beckham
Maldini.....Terry....Cannavaro.....Neville
Schmeichel
A team like that is full of leaders, the kind of people who will work until they drop, with a few flair players. That's the kind of side I'd want.
That is a good team. Not sure bout Terry as my first choice or even Neville but cant argue with the rest.
Feel a traitor but would have to say that Cech or Buffon probably better than Schmeichel.
Guderian 10-01-2008, 22:08 That is a good team. Not sure bout Terry as my first choice or even Neville but cant argue with the rest.
Feel a traitor but would have to say that Cech or Buffon probably better than Schmeichel.
I take it you didnt watch him much then!
I guess we all have different ideas of building a team. The reason I'd plump for the players mentioned is for their workrate, leadership and determination. For me, players like that are far more important to a team than Zidane, Ronaldinho and the like.
Of course, once a solid backbone is in place, a player like Ronaldo, Kaka or Zidane takes that team to another level.
Ronaldo.....Shearer
Christiano Ronaldo....Gattuso....Gerrard....Beckham
Maldini.....Terry....Cannavaro.....Neville
Schmeichel
A team like that is full of leaders, the kind of people who will work until they drop, with a few flair players. That's the kind of side I'd want.
Sorry but if anyone thinks any of those English players come anywhere near a World XI in the last 10 years or so they have got to be seriously off their trolly.
Shearer may have been world class from Euro 96 through to the World Cup finals in 98 - but the only consistently world class players we've had in my lifetime have been Banks, Moore and Bobby Charlton.
Agent Gypo 11-01-2008, 00:32 Sorry but if anyone thinks any of those English players come anywhere near a World XI in the last 10 years or so they have got to be seriously off their trolly.
Shearer may have been world class from Euro 96 through to the World Cup finals in 98 - but the only consistently world class players we've had in my lifetime have been Banks, Moore and Bobby Charlton.
It's a good team, it isn't supposed to be a World IX.
Not only that, I've never seen Banks, Moore or Bobby Charlton play a game, and nobody could possibly guess how well they would hold up in the modern game.
briggy1967 11-01-2008, 14:48 Carrick, King and Barry don't have anything like the same amount of aggression as Gattuso, but he is far from a 'headless chicken'. He's won 2 Champions League titles, a World Cup, and played 300 games for AC Milan as a holding midfield player.
By the way, Barry isn't really a holding midfielder (plays inside left in a 5) and King certainly can't hack it there.
Are you on Drugs???
Both King and Barry have done cracking jobs for England in the holding position,Barry especially as when Lampard was out injured (and then left out when fit) he was prob our best player,he allows Gerrard to do what he does for Liverpool which he cant do whan he plays alongside Lampard
And btw,Barry can play left back,left wing or holding midfielder
Guderian 11-01-2008, 15:05 Are you on Drugs???
Both King and Barry have done cracking jobs for England in the holding position,Barry especially as when Lampard was out injured (and then left out when fit) he was prob our best player,he allows Gerrard to do what he does for Liverpool which he cant do whan he plays alongside Lampard
And btw,Barry can play left back,left wing or holding midfielder
Barry was ABYSMAL against Russia. He is NOT a top class holding midfielder, end of.
Not even going to discuss King playing there. Good centre half, but thats it.
Agent Gypo 11-01-2008, 17:26 Are you on Drugs???
Both King and Barry have done cracking jobs for England in the holding position,Barry especially as when Lampard was out injured (and then left out when fit) he was prob our best player,he allows Gerrard to do what he does for Liverpool which he cant do whan he plays alongside Lampard
Barry had a couple of good games for England against poor opposition. That he was our best player speaks volumes about the performance from the rest of the team.
When he lined up against Russia, he fell to pieces.
And btw,Barry can play left back,left wing or holding midfielder
Yes, he can play to a decent level in a few positions, but he is not a holding midfielder.
briggy1967 13-01-2008, 03:48 Barry was ABYSMAL against Russia. He is NOT a top class holding midfielder, end of.
Not even going to discuss King playing there. Good centre half, but thats it.
"end of" well that kills off any argument dont it u pleb
Barry IS one our best holding midfielders............END OF
Does "End Of" prove my point???
I never said he was a top class holding midfielder,i said he did a cracking job when he came in for Lampard during Euro Qualifiers.
And King isnt a good centre half hes a damn good one and has never let England Down whatever position he has played in
And Agent Geezer,you can only beat whats put in front of you,the fact that he had better games than the rest of the team againt inferior opposition proves my point that he IS a good holding midfielder,If Terry has a good game againt Luxembourg does that make him just an average defender?
If Rooney has an Average game against Leichtenstein does that make him an average Forward?
NO....IT MEANS THEY ARE GOOD IN THE POSITION THEY HAVE PLAYED IN.........REGARDLESS OF THE OPPOSITION, THEY HAVE DONE A JOB!!!
Agent Gypo 13-01-2008, 14:48 Barry played in the centre alongside Gerrard, not as a holding midfielder in front of the back four. He doesn't play that role for Villa either.
We can argue the toss all day, but Barry is not used as a holding player.
I like him as a player, but his strongest position; and the one he usually plays for his club; is drifting between the left and left-centre of midfield.
briggy1967 13-01-2008, 18:15 Barry played in the centre alongside Gerrard, not as a holding midfielder in front of the back four. He doesn't play that role for Villa either.
We can argue the toss all day, but Barry is not used as a holding player.
I like him as a player, but his strongest position; and the one he usually plays for his club; is drifting between the left and left-centre of midfield.
Yes Barry played alongside Gerrard but he held which is why u saw Gerrard doing what he does for Liverpool and never does for England when playing alongside Lampard because Gerrard feels more responsability to the team thean Lampard
And YES his best position is on the left but he still played damn well for England (bar 1 game)in his midfield position............end of !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Agent Gypo 13-01-2008, 20:04 As Guderian put it: Barry is not a top class holding midfielder.
Two decent performances against the kind of teams that chimps could play reasonably well against does not change that.
briggy1967 13-01-2008, 21:56 As Guderian put it: Barry is not a top class holding midfielder.
Two decent performances against the kind of teams that chimps could play reasonably well against does not change that.
Apparantley Mike Ashley has asked for permission to speak to Guderian about the Newcastle Job!!!
not wanted 14-01-2008, 01:02 Getting back to the original thread title I think you have got to say that Ronaldo is the best player in the world at the moment but he needs to win a Euro sponser cup before he gets the title. I'm not a man u fan and I never will be but when tey are on the form that they were on the other day they play such wonderful football.
It's not all about Ronaldo but he has power, drive, speed, poise, a wide variety of tricks, sublime skill and could be on course to score over 30 goals from midfield in a season.
He is a bit special and still pretty young considering the age he got into the man u team.
rajivsingh 14-01-2008, 09:23 after the performance on saturday, who says he is no the best player in the world.
Anyway, my point (still unanswered really) is that can anyone think of a time when we have had the best player in the world in the english league.
If not now, then it cant be far away before he is acknowledged to be so.
rajivsingh 14-01-2008, 09:27 I take it you didnt watch him much then!
Guderian- i watched him a lot and to choose anyone over schmeichel hurts me a lot! But I still think that cech and buffon are better keepers. Frankly you d have any of that three in goal!
Did you see him in the studio for the villa-utd game last week. F**Kin shearer says ""unfortunately" Utd won" and quick as a flash, schmeichel says "why do you say unfortunately?" Cue cut to quick change of topic!!
The anti-Utd beeb bias is hilarious at times thopugh fergie does not help it with his stance against them.
briggy1967 14-01-2008, 15:35 Guderian- i watched him a lot and to choose anyone over schmeichel hurts me a lot! But I still think that cech and buffon are better keepers. Frankly you d have any of that three in goal!
Did you see him in the studio for the villa-utd game last week. F**Kin shearer says ""unfortunately" Utd won" and quick as a flash, schmeichel says "why do you say unfortunately?" Cue cut to quick change of topic!!
The anti-Utd beeb bias is hilarious at times thopugh fergie does not help it with his stance against them.
Spot on mate
So called expert pundits are paid to give their views on the game NOT to be biased towards the team they played for
But guarantee you will never see Shearer knocking Newcastle even tho they are absolutley awful at the moment
Hansen will never have a dig at Liverpools back 4 IF they muck up,same with Lawro
Wrighty,even tho hes the best and most honest of the lot will always stick up for Arsenal (although tbh theres nothing bad to say about em),same goes for Dixon
Gotta disagree about Goalie thing tho
Schmeichel was better than Cech and Buffon
rajivsingh 14-01-2008, 15:43 Spot on mate
Gotta disagree about Goalie thing tho
Schmeichel was better than Cech and Buffon
Fair enough! I ll change my mind with you chaps on this and go for Schmeichel too!
Agent Gypo 14-01-2008, 17:18 Schmeichel is the best of the three for me. Although goalkeepers usually get better with age, and Cech is only 25.
Were Buffon and Schmeichel as good as Cech at 25? Hmmmm.....
rajivsingh 27-02-2008, 13:16 I think I should retract this thread! After all the hype of the last few days, clearly I am much mistaken. Obviously Ledley King is the best player in the world! :roll:
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