British Breakthrough Act (voted for by Radio 1 listeners)
Keane

British Group
Franz Ferdinand

British Male Solo Artist
The Streets

British Female Solo Artist
Joss Stone

British Single

Will Young - Your Game

British Urban Act

Joss Stone

British Rock Act
Franz Ferdinand


British Live Act

Muse

bRITs25: The Best Song Award

Robbie Williams - Angels

Pop Act

McFly

International Male Solo Artist

Eminem


International Female Solo Artist


Gwen Stefani


International Group

Scissor Sisters

International Album

Scissor Sisters - Scissor Sisters


International Breakthrough Act
Scissor Sisters

Outstanding Contribution To Music:
Bob Geldof

do you think these bands deserved to win, am most disapointed that morrissey did not win best british male - he has done alot more for music than any other person nominated.

British Single:

Will Young - Your Game


Is this a joke?????????????:gag:

i havnt even heard the song - where did it get to in the charts?

Will Young is Sylvester the Cat on valium! this was a very poor choice to win, then again - the Brits aren't exactly the Grammy's.

nme awards are next week tho and as its the reader that votes they tend to be much more realistic than the brits

Originally posted by f_g
i havnt even heard the song - where did it get to in the charts?

No. 6 when it was released in March 2004

I wonder if Robbie will give any credit to the bloke who wrote angels and who he nicked the song off ( sorry offered him a one off payment and refused to put his as a co writer of the song)

Joss Stone won Best Urban Act?

Isn't she from Devon?

Originally posted by f_g
nme awards are next week tho and as its the reader that votes they tend to be much more realistic than the brits

Id rather pay heed to the smash hits awards than what readers of the NME think

Let ....me......guess........snow patrol, keane, franz, bloc party, pete doherty....lh de dah...boring dull, pah. Predictable pap.

Since when have Frank Ferdinand been '"Rock" :confused:

Originally posted by boyface
Id rather pay heed to the smash hits awards than what readers of the NME think

Let ....me......guess........snow patrol, keane, franz, bloc party, pete doherty....lh de dah...boring dull, pah. Predictable pap.
Smash Hits ??????

That purveyor of all that is credible in the music industry.



Nurse, quick, up the medication!

Nothing particularly offensive there with the possible exceptions of giving McFly an award and the bizarre opinion the Angels is the best song of the last 25 years - but I guess its hard to find one song that even 2% of people would agree with, its not would I would have chosen but probably as likely to please the highest number of people as anything.

I heard that Robbie Williams didn't even write "Angels".

The story I read was that it was a poem written by a man who'd lost his wife and daughter in a car crash. Williams met the man while in rehab when his career nosedived after the cover of George Michael's "Freedom 90" .

Originally posted by alchresearch
I heard that Robbie Williams didn't even write "Angels".

The story I read was that it was a poem written by a man who'd lost his wife and daughter in a car crash. Williams met the man while in rehab when his career nosedived after the cover of George Michael's "Freedom 90" .

To be fair to Robbie Williams, I'm not sure he has ever claimed to have written it.

Originally posted by foo_fighter
Smash Hits ??????

That purveyor of all that is credible in the music industry.



Nurse, quick, up the medication!

Yeah, but at least the music in smash hits knows its manufactured pap....as opposed to industry led nme drivel who dictate to the 14 yr olds who they will like, by constant hype and front cover publicity.

Anyway, dont the NME awards go something like this:

Best Bristish Band:

Franz Ferdinand
Bloc Part
Snow Patrol
Embrace
Keane

Like, yeah, thats an open vote...as long as you pick one of the 5 choices we give you. Gimme strength.

the nme awards starts as an open vote! and then the top 5 are picked for the last bit

so all the voting i did for sexiest male - morrissey paid off!

I think thats a good choice all round actually. No on who deserved one ahs really missed out, either on an award or a nominaion.


And i think will youngs done some good songs actually.

Robbie williams has clamed to have wrote Angels. On the single he is down as a co writer on the album he is the only writer.
The other bloke got a one off for his rights after been told that it was a fair deal by robbies management at the time. The bloke has missed out on a couple of million from the album sales and other royalies.

I heard that too! I think I read a story about the person that 'really' wrote it, in take a break or something, perhaps he means he wrote the music?
I dont think Joss Stone deserved anything, I think she's rubbish. and it just sounds like she puts on this fake soul voice that anyone can do. i feel sorry for snow patrol losing to Franz ferdinand because er i like them more?!


Just my opinion.

Originally posted by Lestat
British Single:

Will Young - Your Game


Is this a joke?????????????:gag:

Someone's defo havin a laff here - I don't remember this song at all!! If there must be a pop tune as best song, how about Natasha Bedingfield's "These Words" or even Lemar's "If there's any Justice" - at least I can see these still being played on the radio in 20 years time.

Glad to see Franz Ferdinand having success, though - and the Streets winning Best Male.

And Eminem and Gwen Stefani winning too. :thumbsup:

So I guess The Brits could've been a lot worse ..... oh no, I've just realised I could possibly be mistaken for a chav now ..... :gag:

Bring on the NME Awards!! :clap:

StarSparkle

The Scissor Sisters are one of the most original and talented bands I have heard for a long time! :clap:

:banana: Love em! :banana:

K x

What was everyone's high/low points of tonights show?

your a bit early its still on!

Kean , FANTASTIC !!!!

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The best bit!:thumbsup:

Bob Geldof?

Why? Rat Trap and Dont like Mondays - ok -ish. What is his contribution that hasn't been bettered by a hundred others? Methinks this is more to do with sir bob - saviour of the world than any musical contribution.

Discuss

Doesn't every album that wins a brit or is brit nominated sell shed loads more after the "awards" anyway?

Call me cynical if you wish, but that's the reason for this industry led circus.

And....who buys them? They've all been out for ages! It's people who can't form an opinion for themselves and buy what they are told too by company fatcats.

It's a complete "I'm hip with the kids mentality" when in actual fact they're only hip with putting more cash in the pockets of the music industry CEO's.

AND!!!! Outstanding contribution to music.....Bob Geldoff. NO! He hasn't made any significant contribution to music for years. Granted what he has done is worthy of merit, but it has no relevance to music. This both boils my blood and gets my goat. His boomtown rats music is very good and he has a few good solo merits, but if he hadn't done his thing for charideee he wouldn't be getting this. It isn't music related.

Er, John Peel anyone? Oh no, forgot, the music he played isn't going to make any significant profit for the corporate labels is it...silly me.

What a joke.

Bring on the Smash hits poll winners party. I'd take Westlife over Keane every day of the week. At least they know what they are.

Originally posted by boyface
Doesn't every album that wins a brit or is brit nominated sell shed loads more after the "awards" anyway?
Call me cynical if you wish, but that's the reason for this industry led circus.
And....who buys them? They've all been out for ages! It's people who can't form an opinion for themselves and buy what they are told too by company fatcats.
It's a complete "I'm hip with the kids mentality" when in actual fact they're only hip with putting more cash in the pockets of the music industry CEO's.
AND!!!! Outstanding contribution to music.....Bob Geldoff. NO! He hasn't made any significant contribution to music for years. Granted what he has done is worthy of merit, but it has no relevance to music. This both boils my blood and gets my goat. His boomtown rats music is very good and he has a few good solo merits, but if he hadn't done his thing for charideee he wouldn't be getting this. It isn't music related.
Er, John Peel anyone? Oh no, forgot, the music he played isn't going to make any significant profit for the corporate labels is it...silly me.
What a joke.
Agreed, to all the above. Bob got the "Sir" bit for the charity work (which was started by Midge Ure anyway), so he doesn't need any more "awards" for that. John Peel would have been way more worthy.

Originally posted by boyface
Bring on the Smash hits poll winners party. I'd take Westlife over Keane every day of the week. At least they know what they are.
Hmmm, still not sure about this though, to be fair, it's neither the fault of Westlife nor Keane how "the buisness" works, they're both jost trying to do what they do.

Originally posted by foo_fighter

Hmmm, still not sure about this though, to be fair, it's neither the fault of Westlife nor Keane how "the buisness" works, they're both jost trying to do what they do.

Oh I agree in a sense, and fair play to them, but it's easy for somebody like keane to believe the whole "wow you're amazing and the saviour of British music" kind of plaudits, when in actual fact to get nominated for such an award you have to appeal to the masses, thus making you lowest common denominator music that both the kids will click their fingers to and your gran will hum along to while doing the dusting.

Acts like westlife start in a manufactured way knowing they are going to appeal to kids and housewives, where as keane start as mates trying to make music with soul, but end up playing inoffensive elevator music only to be told they are "amazing" solely because they have become unit shifters for people who think their music is "pleasant".

Originally posted by boyface
Oh I agree in a sense, and fair play to them, but it's easy for somebody like keane to believe the whole "wow you're amazing and the saviour of British music" kind of plaudits, when in actual fact to get nominated for such an award you have to appeal to the masses, thus making you lowest common denominator music that both the kids will click their fingers to and your gran will hum along to while doing the dusting.
Acts like westlife start in a manufactured way knowing they are going to appeal to kids and housewives, where as keane start as mates trying to make music with soul, but end up playing inoffensive elevator music only to be told they are "amazing" solely because they have become unit shifters for people who think their music is "pleasant".
I do know what you’re saying, but doesn't that make Westlife quite immoral people, knowingly getting into the business like that? At least Keane are merely amoral, they "thought" they were doing something, then the nasty men in suits corrupted them.
Alternatively, aren't they all just people trying to make a crust? They are an unusual bunch of people, admittedly, who crave fame and notoriety, but if they can keep a sensible distance from believing all the hype, they all do OK (that's where Robbie obviously went wrong).

Originally posted by foo_fighter
I do know what you’re saying, but doesn't that make Westlife quite immoral people, knowingly getting into the business like that? At least Keane are merely amoral, they "thought" they were doing something, then the nasty men in suits corrupted them.
Alternatively, aren't they all just people trying to make a crust? They are an unusual bunch of people, admittedly, who crave fame and notoriety, but if they can keep a sensible distance from believing all the hype, they all do OK (that's where Robbie obviously went wrong).

Yeah, I agree with all you've said. It's just the fact that these "awards" masquerade as a credible awards ceremony when in actual fact any music that is innovative and new and exciting won't get a mention as it won't sell a great deal and therefor there is nothing in it for Sony and the likes.

I don't know why somebody just doesn't get up, accept their award, then tell it like it is.

As for making a crust. Franz Ferdinand, for example, made much better music as The Yummy Fur, but made the conscious descision to take the route they've taken purely to "get big" and make a living from it. Which is fair enough, but why not say it? Don't pretend to be something you are not.

And the guy from Scissor Sisters. NO! You were not on the bones of your arse in a strip bar in NY when you formed the band...you were a well known international dj, you played the likes of Sonar fetival in spain for a grand a night etc.
It's all just ********...

I've had me rant, I'll leave it now......

Originally posted by boyface
I've had me rant, I'll leave it now......
It made me smile anyway.

Well said.

:thumbsup:

Boyface makes a good point re Geldoff. It is hard to deny the man's great contribution to the sum of human happiness via "charidee" etc. However, I too balk at the idea of the man being lauded as a significant contributor to popular music. With respect to Boyface [obviously, taste is subjective], I don't even think that his Boomtown Rats material was particularly good or influential. Although, I admit that the single "I Don't like Mondays" sold more than a few copies. I always viewed "the Rats" as a Woolworths' version of "Punk Rock", lacking in originality and credibility. Boyface is quite correct in saying that Geldoff has done very, very little for a long time.

Re Franz Ferdinand, yes the best of the bunch. However, maybe I am showing my age here [43], but early XTC and Talking Heads did it much better the first time around. Maybe innovation is an over-rated concept anyway? The band were certainly head and shoulders above everyone else there, and it is nice to hear choppy, shard-like guitar sounds and jagged rhythms again.

The best laugh all night tho was Robbie Williams' face when he thought that Gary Barlow and Howard Donald (of his Take That days) were going to present the award for best single for the past 25 years... Brilliant.

Regarding that category, who made the decisions regarding the shortlisted songs? Why wasn't John Lennon in there - I was under the impression that Imagine was released in the 80s... Although, given my appalling taste in music, coupled with the fact I am a mere whipper snapper, I may be mistaken

Originally posted by boyface
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AND!!!! Outstanding contribution to music.....Bob Geldoff. NO! He hasn't made any significant contribution to music for years. Granted what he has done is worthy of merit, but it has no relevance to music. This both boils my blood and gets my goat. His boomtown rats music is very good and he has a few good solo merits, but if he hadn't done his thing for charideee he wouldn't be getting this. It isn't music related.

Er, John Peel anyone? Oh no, forgot, the music he played isn't going to make any significant profit for the corporate labels is it...silly me.
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As much as I admire Bob Geldof as a great humanitarian, I was puzzled that he received an award for his contribution to music, especially within months of the death of John Peel, who would seem the truly worthy winner of such an Award.

I like a lot of the Boomtown Rats' musical output - and if anyone's in any doubt of its quality, I suggest they listen to the lyrics on the Rats' album "Tonic for the Troops".

But John Peel should have posthumously received a Brit Award for Contribution to Music, this time round. I shudder to think where British music would have been without him over the last 25 years. His contribution was unparallelled.

On a lighter note, I was delighted to see Siouxsie Sioux present an award to the Scissor Sisters. I p""""ed myself laughing at some girls in the crowd who obviously hadn't a clue who she was at first - THEN their 'flavour of the month' media darlings the Scissor Sisters (nothing against them though) so effusively threw their arms around her and said such nice things about her! :P

Just shows the shallowness and ignorance of some audience members at these showbiz bashes, who think they're so 'cool' to be there :gag:

StarSparkle

how do they get there? because of their rich parents in the music industy??

i think franz deserved to win they have worked hard i saw them as a support band before they became big and they were great then.

To be honest i didnt see why bob geldoff should have won at all.

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Awww. I luv Robbie Williams!!! He's great! He's got looks and personality and he's just an all round nice guy i think.
What im wonderin is why the hell did Joss Stone win anything!!! I personally think she's CRAP!! and too young for this whole music career, it just doesn't suit her and i think she's trying to hard to be someone she's not!!!!
Anyone else feel the same?

Yes, to tell the truth it was the first time i saw joss stone.

my teenage son had the program on and i decided to watch it with him .
I immediately thought how false.
An insult to real soul singers. a mimic. just sounded like some one singing in the bath trying different voices out.
nedless to say i wont be buying any of her albums.

Thank you Tara!!! Finally someone agrees with me!!! And i also will NOT by buying any of her albums!!!

Right, I'm going to have my two-pennies worth and it's so long no one's going to read it all I'm sure, but anyway!

I had such a rant when the nominations show was on. Each year its the same stuff that's nominated, whatever is flavour of the months to the critics - this year being the guitar based drivel that is very boring.
Perhaps I am biased in being more of a pop fan who at 19 years old still buys Smash Hits (I do mean to give it up, they just keep putting McFly on the front :blush: ), however, my tastes are much more diverse but pop is the main theme. But that aside I do genuinely believe they are unfair to nominate so many bands just because they're credible at the time.
As for the winners:

British Breakthrough Act: Keane - Keane aren't my kind of music anyway and I do think they're genuinely boring. However, for some reason I did quite enjoy they're performance on the show a bit more than I would normally.... I do believe they have done well in the past year so I guess they do deserve it. I think there could have been a bit more of a diverse range in the nominations, but the same goes for a lot of the categories.

British Group: Franz Ferdinand - I bought their album and was disappointed. Their sound is something different, but the album sounds all the same. Good, but not the best British group. Again, I don't think the nominees were much better...

British Male Solo Artist: The Streets - I like the fact he's doing something different in the urban scene, rather than just rapping or doing the rnb stuff, but again, not an artist I like. I have heard most of the album and I didn't like it. I guess he does deserve it on the grounds that he is so unique at the moment.

British Female Solo Artist: Joss Stone - Out of the nominees I wanted either Joss or Natasha Bedingfield to win. I'm not a fan of Joss and I've not heard her albums, but at her age it is quite amazing what she can do. However, hearing her perform live at the Brits, I think she's a lot more hyped up than she actually is. I think Natasha should have won, her live voice is much more amazing.

British Single: Will Young - Your Game - Definitely not a fan of Will, I hate his voice. I really like this song though, and it'd be so much better if it wasn't his voice. There's been much better songs out there though. But good on Will still being around all this time despite being from Pop Idol. Ithink Natasha Bedingfield's These Words was nominated and it that case it should have won as it was much more popular with the public.

British Urban Act: Joss Stone - Not urban at all. If the Streets were nominated (I can't remember, but they probably were) they should have won, going on what I said before.

British Rock Act: Franz Ferdinand - I think British rock isn't as heavy this year and not as traditional so this is a bit tricky to say who should have got it. Like I said before, I was disappointed in them, but they've got a unique sound (unless they've pinched it from someone I'm unaware of). I can't remember the other nominees so I can't really say if they deserve it.

British Live Act: Muse - Now I thought Muse were one of these bands that's been going about over 10 years, so I was surprised when they were saying on the show that they'd only been going 6. It seems that they get nominated every year and I always wonder how because they never seem to do anything. I've never really their stuff so I can't really comment. If this category included the international groups, the Scissor Sisters should have been the only contender for this. They're shows are amazing. And they are shows not concerts with fancy pyrotechnics.

Brits25: The Best Song Award: Robbie Williams - Angels - I can se why it was nominated because it has made such an impact in the past few years, but as most people see it, definitely not the best song of the past 25 years. I don't know what my choice would be, I think there's too many songs to narrow it down to one and what makes it special varies from person to person, depending on their experiences with the song/artist.

Pop Act: McFly - I do think they deserve this. I suppose I can be criticised for thinking this because I am such a huge fan of them, but I think my reasons are pretty valid, especially compared to the other nominees. Even though they have ridden on the back of Busted's success at first, they have actually worked so hard in less than a year, doing every show imaginable that they could, from the summer concerts to the Saturday morning kids shows, although it did soon become more due to demand than promotion. They can sing live, and they can play live as I have experienced a few times, and they are really nice, down-to-earth guys, who do come across as genuine when they're on tv. They've also brought a style of music that was popular 50 years ago back to life in their own way and have helped introduced the likes of the Beach Boys to a younger generation.

International Male Solo Artist: Eminem - Not sure on this one... Again I can't remember the other nominees. Eminem was good when he came out because he was different, a white man rapping and incorporating humour. But since he's gone on he's just started to annoy me. All the songs that he does on his own and with the other guys from his lable etc just seem to be promoting each other, like D12, Dre and all the other 'one hit wonders' that have been signed by them. And all his songs are sounding the same.

International Female Solo Artist: Gwen Stefani - She's released one single. Even though she's released an album too, I don't think that's quite enough to go on seeing as she's so new to her solo career. She is something different in her style, but until the public, not fans, hear more of her music, I think the award should have gone to someone more established.

International Group: Scissor Sisters - The Sisters defintely deserve this award for being so hard working, flamboyant, different. Definitely one for the reason Ana said inthe acceptance speech "To everyone who called us a freak and that we couldn't do it, hahahaha". Lovely, genuine people too.

International Album: Scissor Sisters - Scissor Sisters - Again, well deserved for being something different and so funky. Love it.

International Breakthrough Act: Scissor Sisters - As above

Outstanding Contribution To Music: Bob Geldof - He's contributed towards helping get rid of poverty, but not to music. The only song I could name of his is I Don't Like Mondays. Funny how he only performed that one and one more at the show. I'm sure Duran Duran performed LOADS last year (although I don't think they quite deserved it either.). I think John Peel should have got that.

Originally posted by carcrash
Robbie williams has clamed to have wrote Angels. On the single he is down as a co writer on the album he is the only writer.
Dunno what album you're looking at, but on my copy of "Life Thru a Lens" it specifically says:
All songs written by R. Williams and G. Chambers except [exceptions; not including Angels]
And he did give a thankyou to Guy after the awards ceremony, claiming he 'forgot' to do it during his speech.

It's certainly not the best song of the last 25 years though, I think most people would agree. I personally cannot stand the song even though I'm a big fan of Robbie's work. However, in defence of Angels, "Best Song" is so subjective, it would be totally impossible to pick a song which everyone would agree on.