People, please, turn your fog lights off when it's not foggy. It doesn't make your car look any better when you have them on for no other reason than you've found their button on your dash.

Also if you get stopped by the police you'll get a minimum of a talking too, maybe even a fixed penalty. Then you'll be on here writing about how unfair they treat you for trying to make your car look a a Christmas decoration !!!

TURN THEM OFF IF THEY ARE NOT NEEDED !!!:rant:

I use my front fog lights instead of my headlamps sometimes as they are less bright and point down on to the road so i figured they would dazzle less. Is this acceptable if the headlamps are off?

edit- they do look better too with side lights on aswell so i have to disagree!.

I use my front fog lights instead of my headlamps sometimes as they are less bright and point down on to the road so i figured they would dazzle less. Is this acceptable if the headlamps are off?

You might want to check that they are on then, I didn't think most modern cars fogs worked without the headlights on?

I may be wrong but mine don't on either of my cars.

Their fog lights will be on till around February now!:loopy:

If properly adjusted, front fog lights will not dazzle because they cast a flat, wide illumination. It's like this so it it doesn't reflect back into your face when you are actually in fog.

Now if you're talking about REAR fog lights, I'm totally with you on that on - they really do dazzle the driver behind in anything other than thick fog.

It was foggy this morning though !x :confused:

It was foggy this morning though !x :confused:

Then you can use your fog lights :D

Then you can use your fog lights :D

The clue is in the name.

Then you can use your fog lights :D

Fanks

I don't know where they are LOL - Is that worse :roll:

Then you can use your fog lights :D

But please turn them off when the fog subsides,PLEASE!!
The clue when they're on is the big yellow warning light on the dashboard,which is not usually on.:loopy::)

I always throught there are two uses for fog lights:

1) To use when its foggy
2) For people who try and prentend they own a sports car, athen they drive past you and they have a clapped out Critron AX.

From The Highway Code (http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Highwaycode/DG_069859):
Rule 226
You MUST use headlights when visibility is seriously reduced, generally when you cannot see for more than 100 metres (328 feet). You may also use front or rear fog lights but you MUST switch them off when visibility improves (see Rule 236).
[Law RVLR regs 25 & 27]
Rule 236
You MUST NOT use front or rear fog lights unless visibility is seriously reduced (see Rule 226) as they dazzle other road users and can obscure your brake lights. You MUST switch them off when visibility improves.
[Law RVLR regs 25 & 27]

So there we are - you may only use foglights when visibility is seriously reduced, i.e. less than 100m. It is an offence (under the Road Vehicle Lighting Regulations) to use them when visibility is not reduced.

Front foglights (particularly aftermarket "cosmetic" ones) cause substantial glare and dazzle when used inappropriately.

Foglights may only be used in conjunction with sidelights/headlights - they must not be capable of being operated independantly (I think that's a Construction and Use offence but I'm not certain).

Cars using their foglights inappropriately are a good guide to the mentality of the driver though.

Well said Razor :thumbsup:

I use my front fog lights instead of my headlamps sometimes as they are less bright and point down on to the road so i figured they would dazzle less. Is this acceptable if the headlamps are off?
I see numerous cars everyday with the headlights off and fog lights on, or even both sets of lights on.

EDIT:

Foglights may only be used in conjunction with sidelights/headlights - they must not be capable of being operated independantly (I think that's a Construction and Use offence but I'm not certain).
Maybe they had sidelights on then rather than completely off.


The fog lights are brighter and while they don't always dazzle like a full bean would, they are uncomfortable and distracting when coming the other way.

edit- they do look better too with side lights on aswell so i have to disagree!.
that's a matter for personal taste... as I'm not really a car person I wont comment ;)

Normally I'm too busy being blinded by folk's full beams to have any time left to worry about the fog lights.

Someone else has said this to me recently, but I can't think of an instance where I've been blinded by anyone's main beam in recent months.

If properly adjusted, front fog lights will not dazzle because they cast a flat, wide illumination. It's like this so it it doesn't reflect back into your face when you are actually in fog.

Now if you're talking about REAR fog lights, I'm totally with you on that on - they really do dazzle the driver behind in anything other than thick fog.

Why is it people on here pretent to know what they are talking about?
Dip beams have a sheild over the filament to stop the beam from dazzling other road users main beam and fog lights do not thats why using fogs other than in poor visibility is illegal.
Ive heard fog lights called idiot lights,After all who would turn off a dip beam with a designed good spread of light for fog lights which illuminate little more than the front of the bumper?

Fog lights shine down onto the road. Try driving towards an idiot with their foglights on if they're coming over the brow of a hill - see how they reflect off the road and dazzle you? That's why it's illegal. You are supposed to use fog lights as you would main beam - switch off when you have oncoming traffic.

Someone else has said this to me recently, but I can't think of an instance where I've been blinded by anyone's main beam in recent months.


Really? Perhaps your style of vehicle prevents it then. Or perhaps you travel well-lit roads where the difference in light values isn't as great. Or maybe you're just lucky.

Either way, I can think of a couple of occurances this week alone where dazzle has affected my view - and that's with me compensating my viewing angle for oncoming traffic too.

I'm not entirely convinced that it is main beam though. I think some vehicles just have particualry bright and oddly positioned dipped lights.

I use my front fog lights instead of my headlamps sometimes as they are less bright and point down on to the road so i figured they would dazzle less. Is this acceptable if the headlamps are off?

edit- they do look better too with side lights on aswell so i have to disagree!.

:loopy: They do dazzle!!!

I started a thread on this last year - it really annoys me!!!



[/QUOTE]
Cars using their foglights inappropriately are a good guide to the mentality of the driver though.[/QUOTE]

:nod::rolleyes:

I use my front "fog" lights as soon as its dark, i always will. Ive never yet been "dazzled" "blinded" etc by oncoming drivers with theirs on. You will find they dont shine straight forward, they shine down.

Its not our fault you drive crap cars.......

Let the grief commence.




Chill.

I thought it was me moaning a lot more than usual, but I have noticed a lot more people driving with fog lights on. I travel on an ulit, winding route and it really is a distraction. I appreciate people may have switched them on whilst driving through a foggy patch, however somtimes I think it is because people feel it adds value to their car.

I blame the manufacturers; if they didn;t make such a fuss about a car having fog lights as an extra, they would be treated as any other part of the car.

Also, if you put on full beam, please, please turn it off when another car approaches, this is far more of a hazzard than fog lights.

I use my front "fog" lights as soon as its dark, i always will. Ive never yet been "dazzled" "blinded" etc by oncoming drivers with theirs on. You will find they dont shine straight forward, they shine down.


You will find that they shine down from the tops of hills as you reach the top, into the windscreens of oncoming cars, but you probably don't care.

They are fog lights. For use in fog, as the name suggests. They are not accessory lights to make you look like a chav. or additons to your headlights to use if it's a bit too dark. If your car requires its fog lights for you to be able to see, then I suggest it's you who has the crap car, or, at least, crap lights.


Chill.


Already am.

I use my front "fog" lights as soon as its dark, i always will. Ive never yet been "dazzled" "blinded" etc by oncoming drivers with theirs on. You will find they dont shine straight forward, they shine down.

Its not our fault you drive crap cars.......

Let the grief commence.


I tend to remember why people started using their front fogs.

I blame Ford, Front fog lights were only fitted to the top of the range cars. To be blunt people used them to say "look at my car its better than yours" Makes me laugh now, because all cars now have them and the only people who use them are young lads and blokes that want people to look.

I call them "T0$$3R5" looks like I might be right, shame the police dont take action.

Here you are how to tell if you have front fog lights or driving lights
http://www.cwn.org.uk/999/west-midlands-police/2001/01/010118-fog-lights.htm
wrong use and it's a hefty fine. Be warned.

Front fog lights were necessary decades ago, when headlights weren't sufficiently strong for driving in fog.

But now that headlights are many times more powerful than they used to be, the simple fact is that there is no need for front fog lights at all.

Similarly, rear fog lights should only be used when it's REALLY foggy, like a hundred yards visibility or less, and then please turn it off if there's anyone close behind you.

Too many people use front fog lights as style accessories, but they don't realise that THEY DO dazzle people.

It's about time car manufacturers were prevented from installing front fog lights on new cars, because they are needless and dangerous to other road users.

I use my front "fog" lights as soon as its dark, i always will. Ive never yet been "dazzled" "blinded" etc by oncoming drivers with theirs on. You will find they dont shine straight forward, they shine down.

Why? I'm genuinely interested in your mentality.

Don't get me started on this, people on the bloody motorway in the rain turning their fog lights on.. they should all be killed...

I think I may have mentioned this previously...

http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=215245&highlight=fog+lights

:rolleyes:

I use my front "fog" lights as soon as its dark, i always will. Ive never yet been "dazzled" "blinded" etc by oncoming drivers with theirs on. You will find they dont shine straight forward, they shine down.

Its not our fault you drive crap cars.......

Let the grief commence.




Chill.
Who's fault is it that you can't follow the basic rules of the road as laid down in the highway code?

I use my front "fog" lights as soon as its dark, i always will. Ive never yet been "dazzled" "blinded" etc by oncoming drivers with theirs on. You will find they dont shine straight forward, they shine down.

Its not our fault you drive crap cars.......

Let the grief commence.




Chill.

I bet your one of the people who puts there front and rear fog lights on when driving on motorways in the rain..
Grrrrrrrrr

Don't get me started on this, people on the bloody motorway in the rain turning their fog lights on.. they should all be killed...

I think I may have mentioned this previously...

http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=215245&highlight=fog+lights

:rolleyes:

If visibility is below 100 metres then they can do that. And heavy rain and spray can reduce visibility down to far less than that sometimes.

If visibility is below 100 metres then they can do that. And heavy rain and spray can reduce visibility down to far less than that sometimes.

I think we have been here before!
:hihi:

But once the car behind you is close then you should turn it off as they can then see you and don't need blinding with a red glow which can also mask the break lights!

But we have ceetainly had this conversation before!

Why? I'm genuinely interested in your mentality.



Only the front ones, they are DRIVING lamps as proven as DRIVING lamps.


And no i dont turn my rear ones on on the motorway or the rain or in light fog. Only when visibility is under 100m.

Keep chilling.

To be honest, if it upsets you all that much then im more than happy to continue using them.

I think we have been here before!
:hihi:

But once the car behind you is close then you should turn it off as they can then see you and don't need blinding with a red glow which can also mask the break lights!

But we have ceetainly had this conversation before!

Agreed (did we agree last time too?)

Only the front ones, they are DRIVING lamps as proven as DRIVING lamps.


And no i dont turn my rear ones on on the motorway or the rain or in light fog. Only when visibility is under 100m.

Keep chilling.

To be honest, if it upsets you all that much then im more than happy to continue using them.

If they are driving lamps then you aren't doing what you said (driving with fog lamps on ). But I doubt they are. If they have a separate switch and a warning light on your dash, then they are fog lights.
Share with us, what car do you drive, I'm sure we can find the spec online and see if it lists 'driving' lamps.

I use my front fog lights instead of my headlamps sometimes as they are less bright and point down on to the road so i figured they would dazzle less. Is this acceptable if the headlamps are off?

edit- they do look better too with side lights on aswell so i have to disagree!.


The problem with that is you are committing and offence.
Foglights can only be used when the visibility is below 100 metres. You never get that kind of fog in the city, it would be like a pea soup. You might get a fixed penalty or points on your license.

I dont have a light on my dash come on when i use them. I do when i put my rear ones on.

They are fog lights. For use in fog,


That is very thick fog, of the type you sometimes get on the snake pass or M62!
I have never seen fog this thick in the city.

sometimes i put my fog lights on to see how many people have got nothing better to do but to complain on here where it will make no difference what-so-ever.
get a life you moaning morons.

And I thought it was only me! Like they all say, fog lights are for fog. They are mounted low down to spread light under the fog which hangs above ground level. Don't know if it still applies, but there used to be a law which said something like driving lights mounted below 18" above the road surface were only to be used in foggy conditions. More powerful headlights in fog do little more than make an approaching vehicle more visible. They do nowt to improve a driver's own vision. More likely, they reduce it by reflecting more light backwards. Fog lights switched on automatically just because it's dark only say "Look at me! I've got a new toy!" They also show that the user is a prat.

Now then!.......what about some comment about the current belief that it's OK to drive through amber lights on traffic signals? OK until there's a prang, maybe, and like the illegal use of foglights it's not something the constabulary seem to be keen to stop.

I did always think foglights were used by big men who use their cars on offroad rally's a lot and then drive straight into the city.
Due to this, the obvious next conclusion is that they have massive genitalia


Although we all know the opposite

I must admit i use them on rural roads near us just to light up the edges of the road when driving with spirit (as they are soft and sometimes they fall into the road) when in town i turn them off and i dont think i have ever used the rear ones tbh..

what I actually hate is the people who flash me to tell me that i have my full beam on when in actual fact i have self leveling xenons on the outside and my side lights on the inside. the headlights move with the steering whel and the inclination of the road to give the driver the best possible view of the road and it will never be in the direct line of the oncomming traffic.

i find the fact of someone putting there full beem on more of a hazard (seens as though mine have never been used) and is more lickly to cause an accident or distraction than fog lights in a well lit area...

Someone else has said this to me recently, but I can't think of an instance where I've been blinded by anyone's main beam in recent months.

I was behind a driver who had her main beams on, and got blinded by oncoming traffic flashing their main beams at her! :hihi:

Front fog lights were necessary decades ago, when headlights weren't sufficiently strong for driving in fog.

But now that headlights are many times more powerful than they used to be, the simple fact is that there is no need for front fog lights at all.

Similarly, rear fog lights should only be used when it's REALLY foggy, like a hundred yards visibility or less, and then please turn it off if there's anyone close behind you.

Too many people use front fog lights as style accessories, but they don't realise that THEY DO dazzle people.

It's about time car manufacturers were prevented from installing front fog lights on new cars, because they are needless and dangerous to other road users.

This is not true. In fog, a great deal of light from normal headlamps is reflected back at the driver, most of it from within the first metre or so, which prevents them from seeing ahead. Headlamps are usually located higher up than fog lights in order to make the car visible to other road users. That they are brighter these days does not increase their utility in foggy conditions; quite the contrary in fact. Having fog lights low down ensures that much of the proximally reflected light is invisible to the driver, thereby providing a clearer view in fog. I do agree that cars with fog lights parallel to the main units are silly, and am surprised that many of these are expensive cars such as Mercs. Having fog lights high-up is counterproductive.

If properly adjusted, front fog lights will not dazzle because they cast a flat, wide illumination. It's like this so it it doesn't reflect back into your face when you are actually in fog.

Now if you're talking about REAR fog lights, I'm totally with you on that on - they really do dazzle the driver behind in anything other than thick fog.

Tosh! Dipped beams point away from oncoming traffic and avoid dazzle. As you admit, fog lights fan out to both sides of the road and hence, even though you can't admit it, do dazzle oncoming traffic, unless the fog is thick, of course.

My fog lamps are in the bumper, much lower than the headlights.

My fog lamps are in the bumper, much lower than the headlights.


very informative......Thankyou!

what I actually hate is the people who flash me to tell me that i have my full beam on when in actual fact i have self leveling xenons on the outside and my side lights on the inside. the headlights move with the steering whel and the inclination of the road to give the driver the best possible view of the road and it will never be in the direct line of the oncomming traffic.


They're flashing you because you're dazzling them, no matter how posh and fancy sounding your lights are.

[QUOTE= I do agree that cars with fog lights parallel to the main units are silly, and am surprised that many of these are expensive cars such as Mercs. Having fog lights high-up is counterproductive.[/QUOTE]

Actually, i drive a merc (sorry to sound like a t**t) but the front 'foglights' are below the front headlamp fixed into the bumper, the central lights by the headlight are side and main beam lights and the 'foglights' are actually driving lamps defined by the respect of the beam deflectors in the lens and the fact that there is no warning lamp on the dashboard and can be used with side lamps only as well as dip.
If i may explain....

Many years ago i had a rally prepared skoda (dont laugh too much) on this car i had 1200watts of foreward facing lights 150w in each lamp including factory headlights, the additional spotlamps were cibe super oscar lamps, 2x pencil beam totaly clear lenses providing long straight collums of light (for distance) 2x driving lamps, with deflectors enabling to see 'around corners' and 2x foglamps with a very short but low and wide beam to show curbsides by 'cutting' under fog. i had these adjusted correctley and used them only when circumstance permitted.

In short, foglights and driving lamps are different by the way they work, if your car has factory fitted auxillary lamps and displays a yellow warning lamp they are to be used only in reduced visibility fog or falling snow, if it displays a green indication lamp they are deemed suitable for 'regular' driving
Rear fog lamps however, are to be used only in fog with a severley reduced vision (150yds or less i believe)
And people using rear foglamps in the rain should in my opinion, be shot!!! How do you expect us to see brake lights?

They're flashing you because you're dazzling them, no matter how posh and fancy sounding your lights are.

Very likely. I'd like a set of fancy self levelling lights, but they do sound like a good idea that doesn't work!

Very likely. I'd like a set of fancy self levelling lights, but they do sound like a good idea that doesn't work!

I find most posh and fancy sounding things don't work!

Actually, i drive a merc (sorry to sound like a t**t)...

I wouldn't say you sound like a t**t just because you drive a Merc!

The way I see it there are 4 categories of rear fog lamp users:

1. Those who see a whisper of mist on an otherwise clear road (or possibly the exhaust emissions of the car in front) :loopy:

2. Those who don't even know that they are switched on (and wonder why cars overtake them and then appear to brake repetitively without any decrease in speed) :loopy:

3. Those who think that you have a far better chance of seeing them at night :loopy:

4. Those who use them sensibily when there is extremely reduced visibilty in fog (and rain - especially on dual carriageways or motorways) :thumbsup:

Unfortunately (as most of us are aware) there are far too many idiots on the roads doing all kinds of things that cause problems for other drivers - selfishness, ignorance and downright disregard for motoring law, and it's unlikely that any "campaign" by any medium will ever get the message home to these people :mad:

I wouldn't say you sound like a t**t just because you drive a Merc!

Thats good, because mercs are just the best by far:hihi:

Very likely. I'd like a set of fancy self levelling lights, but they do sound like a good idea that doesn't work!

All Xenons are self levelling, it's a legal requirement. They work quite well.

If visibility is below 100 metres then they can do that. And heavy rain and spray can reduce visibility down to far less than that sometimes.

But not if other road users are in the area. Also, given fog lights are designed to shine under the fog, all that using them in rain will do is illuminate the spray. Not very wise.

I don't think the highway code says anything about other vehicles being close by, just the visibility.
Regarding rain, I was only referring to rear lights. I've been on the motorway in such conditions that you couldn't see the cars in front until 10 or 20 metres away if they only had side lights running. To be fair we were only doing 30 mph anyway, but I could more easily see (and wasn't dazzled) by rear fog lights in front of me, and so I used my own as well to assist the cars behind.
I don't think I've used my front fogs since I bought my current car nearly 2 years ago, apart from to check that they were working.

I use my front "fog" lights as soon as its dark, i always will. Ive never yet been "dazzled" "blinded" etc by oncoming drivers with theirs on. You will find they dont shine straight forward, they shine down.

Its not our fault you drive crap cars.......
Let the grief commence.




Chill.




I dont have a light on my dash come on when i use them. I do when i put my rear ones on.


I'm guessing you must be the one with a "crap car" mate if it doesn't even have that basic function.

Hang on my mistake we are all wrong, I saw a taxi last night with his front fogs on for no other reason than he's a "Professional Driver" :loopy:

So sorry for causing such a stir with this thread but if a taxi has his front fogs on in good conditions then it must be OK!!

(DON'T get me started on Taxis !!)

Maybe all upstanding citizens should be issued with bb guns and some training on hitting fog lights at 40 paces with them.

Maybe all upstanding citizens should be issued with bb guns and some training on hitting fog lights at 40 paces with them.

Are you sure you've got a big enough spoon? :hihi:

Maybe all upstanding citizens should be issued with bb guns and some training on hitting fog lights at 40 paces with them.

maybe car drivers should be issued with bullbars (i think most cars including jags and mercs can have them) for idiots that think its ok to go around vandalising other peoples property.

I wasn't suggesting that it was okay, it was tongue in cheek.
Not sure what use your bull bars would be though, I was simply going to wind my window down to shoot out the offending lights, why assume that I'm a pedestrian?

I use my front "fog" lights as soon as its dark, i always will. Ive never yet been "dazzled" "blinded" etc by oncoming drivers with theirs on. You will find they dont shine straight forward, they shine down.

Its not our fault you drive crap cars.......

Let the grief commence.




Chill.


Why? Are you perhaps incapable of reading or following the highway code? Or even using not-so-common sense?

I wasn't suggesting that it was okay, it was tongue in cheek.
Not sure what use your bull bars would be though, I was simply going to wind my window down to shoot out the offending lights, why assume that I'm a pedestrian?

Sorry cyclone, it has happened to me in the past and cost me a new windscreen. Although it was a milkshake and not BB pelets... as for bull bars they are used to nudge cars off the road by some.

I'm guessing you must be the one with a "crap car" mate if it doesn't even have that basic function.

Yep, my S Line Audi is crap..............:D

Why? Are you perhaps incapable of reading or following the highway code? Or even using not-so-common sense?

Because they are driving lamps ;)

Sorry cyclone, it has happened to me in the past and cost me a new windscreen. Although it was a milkshake and not BB pelets... as for bull bars they are used to nudge cars off the road by some.

It'd end up like mad max, or duel, you nudging my car and me shooting ball bearings back at you. It'd be a good film, but not so good in real life. If you don't use your fog lights inappropriately I'd never even have to get my Walter PPK (B) out of the secret compartment though.

foglamps and driving lams are diffrent but its no crime if you use fog when its not foggy...

Because they are driving lamps ;)

Which Audi is it?

S3 specifications from Audi;
Front fog lights
http://www.audi.co.uk/audi/uk/en2/new_cars/a3/S3/specifications.details.a3.s3.8p1s39_0.html

Same thing for all of the S's, 4, 5 ,6... I stopped at this point. If all these have fog lights listed and not driving lamps then I expect the 7 and 8 are exactly the same.

foglamps and driving lams are diffrent but its no crime if you use fog when its not foggy...

Yes it is. Have a closer read of the highway code (the section was helpfully posted on page 1 of this thread). You MUST not use fog lights when visibility is not below 100 metres, that makes it a road traffic offence if you do.

foglamps and driving lams are diffrent but its no crime if you use fog when its not foggy...

Ummm, yes it is! I believe someone has already quoted the highway code





Because they are driving lamps ;)

Didn't you say they were fog lamps? :confused:

audis have driving lamps as well as fogs and can be used for both

audis have driving lamps as well as fogs and can be used for both

its either a fog lamp or a driving lamp. minis have small driving lamps that look like fog lights.
but due to the lens differences which disperse the light for fog lights, they cannot be the same thing.

well i would sooner have driving lamps and i use fogs at night and never get pulled over by the cops

audis have driving lamps as well as fogs and can be used for both

Really. Audi.co.uk doesn't agree with you, can you provide any credible technical data that will prove your point?

well i would sooner have driving lamps and i use fogs at night and never get pulled over by the cops

Because there are so few traffic cops these days. Hopefully you wil be at some point though.

ime a traffic cop

ime a traffic cop

it wouldn't be difficult for us to believe either.

no ime not in the traffic

whats the diffrance between driving and spotlamps and fogs theb

ime a traffic cop

of course you are, and I'm the christmas fairy.

Presumably you'd be in the Sheffield police (I assume you're local)?

no ime not in the traffic

So your a non traffic, traffic cop? does that make you an Inspector??

I doubt you'd be so ignorant of the highway code if your were actually a serving police officer !!

ime a car sales man whats diffrance between driving lamps fog lamps and spot lamps

One thing we have established now is that you're a liar. And that you keep typing 'ime'.

whats the diffrance between driving lamps fog lamps and spotlamps

You will find that they shine down from the tops of hills as you reach the top, into the windscreens of oncoming cars, but you probably don't care.

.


You will find that headlamps do too at some point over the hill.

Yep, my S Line Audi is crap..............:D


Compared to mine yes, but that's just bragging rights!:hihi:

What year, cos still can't believe that Audi's don't have front fog indicators. I've had a few dubs which are from the same overall manufacturer and they all did.

When I use my fog lights and headlights I enjoy the flashes and waves I get from other drivers showing their appreciation of my well lit and sexy looking car!

Please believe me when i TELL YOU that there are no lights on my dash when i use my front DRIVING LAMPS.

As soon as i switch my rear FOG LAMPS on ***BING*** i get a light on my dash.


You poor people really have nothing better and more productive to do with your lives do you.


see my signature....... :)

whats the diffrance between driving lamps fog lamps and spotlamps
Here you are http://www.cwn.org.uk/999/west-midlands-police/2001/01/010118-fog-lights.htm
"WEST MIDLANDS POLICE NEWS"
Quote "Basically, if the lights are on a separate switch with a warning light on the dashboard, these are fog lights, and should only be used in extreme conditions.

"If they come on when you flick on the main beam switch then they are driving lights not fog lights and will disappear when the lights are dipped or switched off." unquote

Please believe me when i TELL YOU that there are no lights on my dash when i use my front DRIVING LAMPS.

As soon as i switch my rear FOG LAMPS on ***BING*** i get a light on my dash.


You poor people really have nothing better and more productive to do with your lives do you.


see my signature....... :)

Still waiting to know what model it is, since no Audi S lines that I can find come with driving lamps. Maybe you should get the dealer to check out your dash, you've probably got a blown bulb in there.

Cyclone, get over it.

My previous car, a MK5 golf gti's spec also said Fog Lights and guess what, it didnt have any lights in the bumper at all, these were part of the head light cluster.


Go back to work

Cyclone, get over it.

My previous car, a MK5 golf gti's spec also said Fog Lights and guess what, it didnt have any lights in the bumper at all, these were part of the head light cluster.


Go back to work


All the new S3's and S4's have fog lights (exactly the same ones as on my wife's vdub, so just please explain what year and model you have. Then we can see if you aren't just talking out of your ar**.
Incidentally, you said let you grief commence, so we're only doing what you're asking. No pleasing some people:hihi:

yes the foglamps on the vw golf are in the headlams

I welcome the grief with open arms. :))

Just been out to a 2000 audi A8 and the light does not come on when you operate the suposed fog lights...

My jag does have two lights, one for the front set and one for the back set and i have just tested them...

How about just agreeing some of these expensive cars simply have too many lights when it seems no-one actually knows what they are all for or even how they are operated! :)

I'll stick my simple life... headlights full/dipped, sidelights, separate button for fogs.

If you use fog lights in fog & driving lamps when driving, When should you use head lights? just a thought

I do agree that cars with fog lights parallel to the main units are silly, and am surprised that many of these are expensive cars such as Mercs. Having fog lights high-up is counterproductive.

No it's not. My Citroen C8 has it's front fog lights as part of the lamp clusters, and they work perfectly as fog lights - I get no reflection back off the fog at all.

Cyclone, get over it.

My previous car, a MK5 golf gti's spec also said Fog Lights and guess what, it didnt have any lights in the bumper at all, these were part of the head light cluster.


Go back to work

I can only assume that since you are refusing to name the car you know full well that it has fog lights and were hoping that no one would question your statement.
Unlucky. :hihi:

I welcome the grief with open arms. :))
Apparently not, since you won't actually say what car you drive for fear of being proven to be a fibber.

Yes Cyclone, im petrified.....


My car is a 1979 ford cortina XL

There we go, you're a liar. Glad it's all settled.

and you've got too much spare time on your hands.

Good night, Merry Christmas xx


I think The cortina xl was a few years before 1979 :)


could be wrong

All Xenons are self levelling, it's a legal requirement. They work quite well.

Well STT-Jag's don't work quite well, otherwise people wouldn't keep flashing him! :hihi:

MOD NOTE

Lets keep it civilised and back off with the name calling.

I use my front "fog" lights as soon as its dark, i always will.

You fail to say "why"? Are you so blind you can't see properly with the main lights?

Ive never yet been "dazzled" "blinded" etc by oncoming drivers with theirs on.

So you don't actually drive then? Or just to the end of the drive?

You will find they dont shine straight forward, they shine down.

*IF* they're set correctly... which from my experience a large percentage are not. There is still no legitimate reason to use them when it's not foggy. It is a stoppable and fineable offence.

Its not our fault you drive crap cars.......

Ahhhh..... Q.E.D!

You fail to say "why"? Are you so blind you can't see properly with the main lights?



So you don't actually drive then? Or just to the end of the drive?



*IF* they're set correctly... which from my experience a large percentage are not. There is still no legitimate reason to use them when it's not foggy. It is a stoppable and fineable offence.



Ahhhh..... Q.E.D!



Regardless of my previous reasons to use them i will now only be using them to annoy people like you.

Have a nice weekend. x

Regardless of my previous reasons to use them i will now only be using them to annoy people like you.

Have a nice weekend. x

We'll be laughing every time we see someone stopped and fined, thinking that it might be you! :hihi:

To be honest I think more of the dazzling is from drivers who have cars with badly adjusted headlights rather than foglights.

A lot of cars also have adjustment for weight which will alter the angle depending on the setting.

But badly adjusted headlights really annoy, especially when you're driving on roads without lighting.....

This thread is getting silly! Let's try & clear the confusion.......

Head lights are the big ones that you switch on (or should!) when you are mobile at night or when visibilty is poor. That's not to light your way in the latter case, but to let others see you.

Driving lights (other than head lights... Confused?) can be what were once known as spot lights. Look at the extra big stuff on the rally cars. They supplement headlights & and usually shine out further than what the manufacturer provides as standard. (though extra driving lights can be standard on some cars! More confusion!)

Fog lights are what it says on the tin. They are for fog and not a lot of use in normal conditions, (except, as someone maintains, to annoy more knowledgeable drivers). If you don't believe that, switch off your headlights and try driving on fogs alone. Make sure you have good insurance if you persist in doing this for long. Yes, they are low mounted, yes, they do dazzle, particularly when the road's wet and the downward light is reflected upwards. That's why they are illegal when there's no fog around. There might not be a separate warning light on the instrument panel, there should certainly be one incorporated in the operating switch, like the one for heated rear windows & rear fogs.

It's surprising no one has come up with a sensible reason for using front fogs in normal visbility conditions. Maybe there isn't one!

I think you're all missing an important point - far more dangerous are the idiots who think that side lights are adequate in conditions of poor visibility.

I've just come back over Snake and had a very rare opportunity to use my fog lights- it's bad enough out there that you can count the cats' eyes as you pass them.

Nevertheless, I still turned off my rear fogs when I had someone behind me that could be dazzled. Shame that couldn't be said for the person in front of me too.

(BTW- my SAAB has front and rear fogs clearly marked on the buttons that turn them on and off, but there's only a light on my dash when the rear ones come on. Maybe there's a bulb not working in my dash?)

Only the front ones, they are DRIVING lamps as proven as DRIVING lamps.


And no i dont turn my rear ones on on the motorway or the rain or in light fog. Only when visibility is under 100m.

Keep chilling.

To be honest, if it upsets you all that much then im more than happy to continue using them.
For the lights to be driving lamps they have to work in conjuction with the headlamps on full beam. They should also be above the level of the front bumper. Fog lights are set below this level and worked from a seperate switch to the rest of the lights.

The Law:

Position of Main Beam Headlamps ... no regulation on their vertical height.

Alignment of Main Beam Headlamps .. to the front.

Position of Front Fog Lamps ... maximum height 1200mm, no minimum.

Alignment of Fog Lamps ..... so that the top of the beam is 3% below the horizontal.

Fog Lamps must not be used .... "so as to cause undue dazzle or discomfort to other persons using the road".

The number of people out in the fog today without ANY lights on was ridiculous. *rolls eyes*

Attention seeking small minded inconsiderate idiots, I think that just about covers it.

:loopy:

Is this post STILL going on...

Zzzzzzzzz

Is this post STILL going on...

Zzzzzzzzz

It wasn't until you rekindled it. :rolleyes:

It was proper foggy today on bits of the M1. There were all kinds of variations in lighting being used, from full beam + fogs to one broken light feably attempting to shine through the murk.

Like a proper Christmas lights show it was.

They are a great irritant, they should, as the Highway Code specifies be used in fog, and actual fog, not mist, presumably if driving with them on all the time were entirely safe the Highway Code would make no mention of this and the police would not ever bother stopping and occasionally fining drivers who ignore this. The only other time fog lights should be used is when taking photographs of your car for your own personal pleasure and enjoyment because it does indeed make the car look good, but of course when you're in the drivers seat you can't fully appreciate this!

Perhaps Mr. Hughes should begin a crackdown on gratuitous fog light use as an act of contrition for his recent speeding offence?

So your rationale for using them is solely to dazzle and annoy other road users?

That's an interesting approach to road safety.

Yes Cyclone, im petrified.....


My car is a 1979 ford cortina XL

Is this it parked over here (http://www.megamonty.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/cortinacrusader.jpg) I see you have a choice of fog lights and driving lamps :D

I think you might be mistaking my front "driving lights" for fog lights. Don't worry, it's an easy mistake to make.

I'd be worried about the police stopping me if there were ever any police patrolling the roads...