Starts on Monday!

Motorists driving through the new bus gate on the Wicker will be fined from Monday to force private vehicles to use the new £65 million section of inner ring road.

Council bosses say they are to begin enforcing the traffic restriction in a bid to improve journey times through the area for buses. Although traffic cameras have been operational for a while, drivers have only been issued with warnings, while people get used to the new road system.

But from Monday, anyone caught will be fined up to £60.

As our old chum Nelson Muntz would say - ''Ha - ha!''

All I can say to those drivers is, don't come back in a fortnight claiming you never knew about it.

All I can say to those drivers is, don't come back in a fortnight claiming you never knew about it.

You just know someone will though, don't you......

You just know someone will though, don't you......

Of course they will - The signs aren't big enough, but I used to be able to, the council didn't send me a letter personally informing me etc etc. :D

As it's legal for motorcycles to use bus lanes. . do anyone know if the same rules apply to a bus-gate?

Well I found this in an amendment being put forward:

2.6 It should be noted that the revisions to the BPO (bus priority order) proposed in this report will not affect the existing permitted use of certain bus priority facilities by pedal cycles, solo motorcycles, Royal Mail vehicles and other defined vehicles, or the existing use of those facilities which are ‘tram only’.

Linky (http://www.sheffield.gov.uk/your-city-council/council-meetings/planning-boards/city-centre-south-and-east/agendas-2004/agenda-6th-december-2004/bus-priority-order)

Ignorance of the law is no excuse.As a pedestrian I say ban all cars off all roads.:hihi::hihi:

I totally disagree with the £60 pound fine.

why? I hear you ask

Because, my journey home is so quick due to all the plantpots who can't read road signs, and seem to be completely unaware that there is a new road.

All the plantpots stuck in snarl ups on the wicker, mean I get to drive on the new ring road, virtually traffic free (and at 5pm on weekdays), jourey home is less than 15 mins :)

This could affect my journey time home......

Stay on the wicker please

I totally disagree with the £60 pound fine.

its called a bus lane for a reason, it was design for buses so they can get to their destination on time, if they allow you on it then it wouldnt be called a bus lane would it:loopy:

its called a bus lane for a reason, it was design for buses so they can get to their destination on time, if they allow you on it then it wouldnt be called a bus lane would it:loopy:



Read the rest of my post for the reason why

and heres one back for you :loopy:

:hihi:

Well I found this in an amendment being put forward:

2.6 It should be noted that the revisions to the BPO (bus priority order) proposed in this report will not affect the existing permitted use of certain bus priority facilities by pedal cycles, solo motorcycles, Royal Mail vehicles and other defined vehicles, or the existing use of those facilities which are ‘tram only’.

Linky (http://www.sheffield.gov.uk/your-city-council/council-meetings/planning-boards/city-centre-south-and-east/agendas-2004/agenda-6th-december-2004/bus-priority-order)

sorry can someone please say a simple yes or no to solo motorbikes / scooters allowed down buss gates i know we allowed in hillsbrought but the wiker ext i not sure:loopy::loopy::loopy::loopy::help:

sorry can someone please say a simple yes or no

That WAS a simple answer. They're allowed through some bus priority facilities, but not necessarily all. You'll have to check the signs to be sure.

its a bit harsh the fine but at the end of the day busses need to be on time and be able to get around quickly and i catch busses rather than drive as its easier

people use the bus gates regular and get away with it and its annoying in a morning when u are trying to get to work on time

I'm a bit biased cos I have no use of a car therefore it will be a blessing for me on the bus but.....It takes twice as long to get from Greystones rd to town sometimes than the other half of the journey from Arundle Gate to Firth Park and this is on the same bus.
Anyone who travels on Ecclesall Rd at 4pm will tell you the same.

sorry can someone please say a simple yes or no to solo motorbikes / scooters allowed down buss gates i know we allowed in hillsbrought but the wiker ext i not sure:loopy::loopy::loopy::loopy::help:Well the bus lanes on the wicker always had bikes on it - mine included (as it was allowed) cant see it being any different now.

just paid a fine for going through a bus lane in hillsboro ,
£60 , but if you pay straight away , its only £30 , great eh:rolleyes:, i don't frequent hillsboro , and i odviously didn't see it ..my fault intirely ..........but what i will add ...........is walking from pitsmoor to town throught the new road section which i do quite a bit.... crossings are ........in my oppinion a discrace ....... no high sign green men on the crossings ....and no sound ............ you have to look where you press the button to see when it's good to cross .....whats that all about ???????............. jmo .........not good at all !!!

Just drove past the old whitbread brewery area and there are signs saying from next sunday you wont be able to use ladys bridge to get to hillsbrorough.
Got to use the new ring road instead.

Just drove past the old whitbread brewery area and there are signs saying from next sunday you wont be able to use ladys bridge to get to hillsbrorough.
Got to use the new ring road instead.
As it seems you won't be able to turn left off the Wicker onto the IRR**. It will be a tough lesson for those wanting to try and cheat the gate, then change their minds at the last minute.

They will have to turn left onto Stanley St, 2nd left onto Joiner Street, left onto Nursery St, right back along Blonk St, Exchange Place and Street, then left onto Parkway, then left onto Cutlers Gate. Must be going on a mile.

Never mind the camera on the Wicker, I'd pay to see the expression on drivers faces doing this.:hihi:

**I could be wrong with this though :suspect:

Starts on Monday!

Motorists driving through the new bus gate on the Wicker will be fined from Monday to force private vehicles to use the new £65 million section of inner ring road.

Council bosses say they are to begin enforcing the traffic restriction in a bid to improve journey times through the area for buses. Although traffic cameras have been operational for a while, drivers have only been issued with warnings, while people get used to the new road system.

But from Monday, anyone caught will be fined up to £60.

Best news all day :hihi:

Can anyone tell me, if I'm coming towards town down Savile Street, it's two lanes, the left hand one is a bus lane?

Is this a 24hr bus lane or can cars use it at any time?

Where abouts is the bus gate?

When I get to the junction just before the Wicker Arches (before going under them) as i'm heading into the city, do I have to go in the other direction? or do both lanes go left under the bridge and then left round the back of victoria hotel and onto the parkway?

I don't go anywhere near the city unless it can't be avoided, so I'd like to know in advance if possible.

I've seen that little map the council have on their website and it doesn't really give any indication of road layout in detail, is there another one better online anywhere?

thanks.

I wonder if this bus gate like the one at hillsborough is going to allow cars through at certain times?

just paid a fine for going through a bus lane in hillsboro ,
£60 , but if you pay straight away , its only £30 , great eh:rolleyes:, i don't frequent hillsboro , and i odviously didn't see it ..my fault intirely ..........but what i will add ...........is walking from pitsmoor to town throught the new road section which i do quite a bit.... crossings are ........in my oppinion a discrace ....... no high sign green men on the crossings ....and no sound ............ you have to look where you press the button to see when it's good to cross .....whats that all about ???????............. jmo .........not good at all !!!

These are "Puffin" type crossings, the pedestrian green man indicator is on the push button unit, there isn't anything on the far side of the road. This is what the Government recommends for all new signalised crossings, so you'll have to get used to it.

They don't have bleepers when there is another crossing close by on which pedestrians could be confused by the bleeps from the other crossing.

Can anyone tell me, if I'm coming towards town down Savile Street, it's two lanes, the left hand one is a bus lane?

Is this a 24hr bus lane or can cars use it at any time?

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Where abouts is the bus gate?

When I get to the junction just before the Wicker Arches (before going under them) as i'm heading into the city, do I have to go in the other direction? or do both lanes go left under the bridge and then left round the back of victoria hotel and onto the parkway?

I don't go anywhere near the city unless it can't be avoided, so I'd like to know in advance if possible.

I've seen that little map the council have on their website and it doesn't really give any indication of road layout in detail, is there another one better online anywhere?

thanks.

As you come down savile street, and carry on straight under the arches, the bus gate is straight down the wicker, and the road goes off to the left. (if that makes any sense).

These are "Puffin" type crossings, the pedestrian green man indicator is on the push button unit, there isn't anything on the far side of the road. This is what the Government recommends for all new signalised crossings, so you'll have to get used to it.

They're great if you use them how they are designed to be used - press the button then walk a few steps along the pavement so you can see the traffic lights - when they are at red you can cross...

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As you come down savile street, and carry on straight under the arches, the bus gate is straight down the wicker, and the road goes off to the left. (if that makes any sense).

Thanks, so to help me visualise it, I'd drive under the wicker arches in the right hand lane, and then cross the bus lane in order to go up towards the parkway? Whilst the bus lane carries straight on?

Just drove past the old whitbread brewery area and there are signs saying from next sunday you wont be able to use ladys bridge to get to hillsbrorough.
Got to use the new ring road instead.

Why would you turn right onto lady's bridge to get to hillsbrough?

It's quicker to go straight on past the courts, then straight on onto the ring road at West bar roundabout.

The ring road has made some journies longer in time though. At shalesmoor i used to come out the road that you can get to kelham island on and go straight on up the hill to the hospital. Now you have to turn left towards West Bar Roundabout and then logically when you get there instead of turning round back to shalesmoor go up west bar to the hospitals. There are no longer any right turns.

Now if i wanted to get to the Tesco's say I now have to turn left go at least half a mile to West Bar then turn around and drive 1/2 a mile towards Shalesmoor. Instead of turning right at Shalesmoor and a distance of a about 20 yards. And there is no provision for cycles at the juntion either even though it is signposted. Maybe they have come down now the ring road is fully opened to stop thse cyclists using a route that does not include the ring road.

Thanks, so to help me visualise it, I'd drive under the wicker arches in the right hand lane, and then cross the bus lane in order to go up towards the parkway? Whilst the bus lane carries straight on?

I can't remember off hand, but yeah, something like that.

Thanks, so to help me visualise it, I'd drive under the wicker arches in the right hand lane, and then cross the bus lane in order to go up towards the parkway? Whilst the bus lane carries straight on?

Not quite - The bus lane now ends before you get to the Wicker Arch, to go towards Parkway move over to your left where it ends (watch out for buses on your nearside) and follow the road round to get to the Parkway. The buses can go straight on down the Wicker through the inbound bus gate. If you want to go towards Shalesmoor stay in the right hand lane and go round onto the new road under the new bridge.

They're great if you use them how they are designed to be used - press the button then walk a few steps along the pavement so you can see the traffic lights - when they are at red you can cross...

Don't do that - there are detectors at a lot of the new Puffin crossings to check that pedestrians haven't crossed already when the time for the green man comes, if there is no one there because you have walked away it will not change to red for the vehicles. Press the button and wait on the red paving where you can see the red and green man signal.

I can already tell the difference going home on my bus. Much much quicker.

Now if we could get these cameras on every bus lane/bus gate in Sheffield it would be brilliant.

I was laughing my head off today (Not nice I know) but hundreds of people were driving through the bus gate when I was at wicker pharmacy, I cant believe how much money the council will be raking in... but then again, i also cant believe how many people cant read the signs

I have a motorbike and it is really annoying when people dont follow the signs.

They should have a camera outside the magistrates court/charge office as many people dont take note of the signs there either,

Also the council want kicking for the signs on the new ring road, there is one which says motorcycles etc can turn right but when you get to the junction it says cycles, taxi and bus only... (if anyone is interested it is near west bar going away from shalesmoor)

Great idea I think but they need to increase the fine or do something that makes people follow the rules (Possibly penalty points)... its a bus lane for a reason.


**Rant over** lol

It will be good when it is all sorted because the Wicker, canal basin, and the market area will be virtually traffic free and then I understand they are going to redevelop the whole area and it will be lovely.

They're great if you use them how they are designed to be used - press the button then walk a few steps along the pavement so you can see the traffic lights - when they are at red you can cross...

You can't do that where I live, there are railings on either side of the crossing.

I find these crossings downright dangerous. We have them in our (pedestrianised) city centre (not Sheffield) where the road bisects the High Street so the crossings get very congested with pedestrians and you've got no hope of being able to see the low signs and there's no audio signal - you just have to follow everyone else like sheep.

when will drivers have a CAR GATE thats what i want to know:hihi::hihi::hihi:

no taxis or busses allowed:hihi::hihi:

when will drivers have a CAR GATE thats what i want to know:hihi::hihi::hihi:

no taxis or busses allowed:hihi::hihi:


lol, they do... its called the motorway, i know you still get busses and taxis but no where near as much as you do anywhere else

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Great idea I think but they need to increase the fine or do something that makes people follow the rules (Possibly penalty points)... its a bus lane for a reason.

The Council can't give out penalty points, the offence has been decriminalised, they can only issue fines. They are also limited by the government on the level of the fine, they are using the maximum amount already.

The Council can't give out penalty points, the offence has been decriminalised, they can only issue fines. They are also limited by the government on the level of the fine, they are using the maximum amount already.

From what I see a lot of plantpots are driving on through the bus gate as normal at the Wicker.

What's going to happen to all the fried chicken takeaways once the through traffic is banned?

Which side of the car do these cameras face, ie which numberplate needs to accidently fall off before passing through? :hihi:

Which side of the car do these cameras face, ie which numberplate needs to accidently fall off before passing through? :hihi:

These aren't fixed cameras like speed / red light. They are CCTV cameras operated by a person, who will identify the offence, then zoom in and record it. Cameras can pan / tilt / zoom, so they can track you. There is often more than one camera at a particular site(like Hillsboro).

I am staggered at the number of people still driving through the bus gate on the Wicker, without a care in the world.

I am also amazed at the number of cars coming out of Johnson St, turning right onto Nursery St (by the Harlequin pub).
Its now legal (as Nursery St is now 2 way there), but I have no idea where all these cars are coming from. Its an absolute procession!

Are these cars all turning off on the Wicker BEFORE the bus gate?
They seem to be totally lost, regardless. I live opposite there, and you can see couples arguing at the wheel as to which way to go next!
FARCE.

These aren't fixed cameras like speed / red light. They are CCTV cameras operated by a person, who will identify the offence, then zoom in and record it. Cameras can pan / tilt / zoom, so they can track you. There is often more than one camera at a particular site(like Hillsboro).

So both plates then. :hihi:

I've checked the map (link below) of the new relief road, but I still can't see the best way to get to Seville street if heading from the train station. My old route would be via the parkway roundabout, along blonk st, right at the bridge and then down the Wicker.

I tried this route the other day for the first time in a while but took a left turn towards the inner relief road due to the enforcement of the bus lanes and ended up going up nursery st (thought this used to be one way).

Is it better to now head up the parkway, then left onto the cutlers gate road, across the wicker and then right on the roundabout towards seville street or is there a more obvious route that I am missing??

http://www.sheffield.gov.uk/Easysite/admin/AssetManager_ServeAsset.asp?crypt=%C2%89%C2%AD%C2% A8%C2%95%C2%91%C2%93%C2%BE%C2%BA%C2%B5%C2%95%C2%A2 %C2%BD%C3%80%C2%B0%C3%89%C3%93%C2%82%C2%A2%C3%85%C 2%B7%C2%90%C2%B9%C2%9E%C2%A1%C2%81%C2%83p%C2%88eP% C2%B0%C2%BA%C2%9D%C2%A7zn%7D%C2%97m%C2%8FL%C3%86%C 2%A3%C2%9B%C2%87y%C2%9A%C2%BB%C2%96%C2%A1%C2%88%7F %C3%90%C2%B2%C3%8C%C2%AB%C2%85%C3%87%C2%AE%C2%B9%C 2%BC%C2%C2%C2%C2%C2%C2%C2%C2%C2%C2%C2%C2%C2%C2%C2

You go up the Parkway, down Cutlers Gate and after the Wicker turn right which brings you round to Savile Street.

Have a look at page 2 of this: http://www.sheffield.gov.uk/Easysite/admin/AssetManager_ServeAsset.asp?crypt=%C2%89%C2%AD%C2% A8%C2%95%C2%91%C2%93%C2%BE%C2%BA%C2%B5%C2%95%C2%A2 %C2%BD%C3%80%C2%B0%C3%89%C3%93%C2%82%C2%A2%C3%85%C 2%B7%C2%90%C2%B9%C2%9E%C2%A1%C2%81%C2%83p%C2%88eP% C2%B0%C2%BA%C2%9D%C2%A7zn%7D%C2%97m%C2%8FL%C3%86%C 2%A3%C2%9B%C2%87y%C2%9A%C2%BB%C2%96%C2%A1%C2%88%7F %C3%90%C2%B2%C3%8C%C2%AB%C2%85%C3%87%C2%AE%C2%B9%C 2%BC%C2%C2%C2%C2%C2%C2%C2%C2%C2%C2%C2%C2%C2%C2%C2

What's going to happen to all the fried chicken takeaways once the through traffic is banned?

They'll probably start parking on both sides of the street, all day long!

These aren't fixed cameras like speed / red light. They are CCTV cameras operated by a person, who will identify the offence, then zoom in and record it. Cameras can pan / tilt / zoom, so they can track you. There is often more than one camera at a particular site(like Hillsboro).

Are they going to put a camera on the new gate at Bridge St do you know?

They're missing out on some right cash here. No one pays attention to it.

Are they going to put a camera on the new gate at Bridge St do you know?

They're missing out on some right cash here. No one pays attention to it.

Yes I understand that they are looking to have one there and other places too.

They'll probably start parking on both sides of the street, all day long!

The Council will be able to enforce parking via CCTV cameras in a few months time, which may help withthe parking issues down there.

its a bus lane.. for busses, if people want to use it then they should pay a fine. i hate bus lane sneaks.

on a slightly different subject:

I hate the people who try and block cars using the bus lane out of the enforcement hours.. if its out of the enforcement hours and the roads are heavy with traffic I will always use the bus lane.. helps keeps cars moving... obviously other people see it a different way. I've had it a fair few times where people move their cars half onto the bus lane to stop me using it... not sure why.. maybe they just can't read the signs properly. It happens a lot to me on Queens rd at the weekends when I'm heading back into town.

^^That's not you're fault though, it's just other drivers being to daft to realise it's out of hours. The lanes are there to be used when they're not under enforcement.

The Council will be able to enforce parking via CCTV cameras in a few months time, which may help withthe parking issues down there.





I'm gonna park my car where I want BOZO.....

No ones telling me what to do

I'm gonna park my car where I want BOZO.....

No ones telling me what to do

Why are you taking that tone - name calling isnt really appropriate is it? Planner1 is just stating what the council will be allowed to do in the near future!

I'm gonna park my car where I want BOZO.....

No ones telling me what to do

Well then you'll be getting a nice big fine. :D

Or were you being sarcastic? :confused:

Why would you turn right onto lady's bridge to get to hillsbrough?

It's quicker to go straight on past the courts, then straight on onto the ring road at West bar roundabout.

The ring road has made some journies longer in time though. At shalesmoor i used to come out the road that you can get to kelham island on and go straight on up the hill to the hospital. Now you have to turn left towards West Bar Roundabout and then logically when you get there instead of turning round back to shalesmoor go up west bar to the hospitals. There are no longer any right turns.

Now if i wanted to get to the Tesco's say I now have to turn left go at least half a mile to West Bar then turn around and drive 1/2 a mile towards Shalesmoor. Instead of turning right at Shalesmoor and a distance of a about 20 yards. And there is no provision for cycles at the juntion either even though it is signposted. Maybe they have come down now the ring road is fully opened to stop thse cyclists using a route that does not include the ring road.

You cant go straight on past the courts due to this being bus only

They should put cameras up at the end of west street up at the broomhill side because people in cars use that when they are not meant to. Also i would fine them £60 and give them 3 pts they will learn quicker that way. Yes you guess it I am a bus driver but also a car user so i get both ends of it

They should put cameras up at the end of west street up at the broomhill side because people in cars use that when they are not meant to. Also i would fine them £60 and give them 3 pts they will learn quicker that way. Yes you guess it I am a bus driver but also a car user so i get both ends of it

I understand that West Street is one of the locations the Council are looking at for enforcement.

The Council can't impose points for motoring offences, only the police can do that and road traffic enforcement isn't a policing priority.

Like I said on another thread, now the council have realised they can make shed loads of money this way without lifting a finger, watch the floodgates open.

Like I said on another thread, now the council have realised they can make shed loads of money this way without lifting a finger, watch the floodgates open.

The Council only makes money if people disobey the rules, so if people stay legal, they make nothing. Once enforcement is taking place, offence levels drop to a tiny fraction of previous levels, so income is not as large as you might imagine.

This is only the second site where camera enforcement of bus lanes is taking place, so it's hardly opening the floodgates is it?

There is a considerable amount of work involved in getting a CCTV enforcement site up and running, so it's hardly raking money in without lifting a finger. There are also considerable overhead costs involved.

Manchester started their enforcement regime with 12 fixed camera sites and a vehicle mounted mobile camera. Compared to this, Sheffield's 2 fixed sites is quite a modest effort, not the all-out rush to cash in which you portray.

7 cars in front of my bus this evening leaving town at the ring road junction.
5 got through on green,
1 on amber,
1 on red.
Guess what as well, my bus didn't get through.
Most annoying thing though is the only 2 visible cameras were pointing along the ring road so they all got away with it & in the case of the 7th driver he got away with it twice.

I am staggered at the number of people still driving through the bus gate on the Wicker, without a care in the world.

I am also amazed at the number of cars coming out of Johnson St, turning right onto Nursery St (by the Harlequin pub).
Its now legal (as Nursery St is now 2 way there), but I have no idea where all these cars are coming from. Its an absolute procession!

I'm even more :o, at the number of drivers still going through the gates at Hillsborough. More money than sense:loopy:.

I moved away from Sheffield 7 year ago but was up there over xmas visiting familly and friends, went down to Bennetts fishing tackle were I used to work and dint have a clue how to get back out of the wicker and ended up going through the bus lane up towards pitsmoor to turn round to get back onto the parkway, I used to do that journey every day, mind you the traffic was a pain then, oh and couldnt believe the damage the floods had done to the shop.

does anyone know if these cameras are actually live because there seems to be a huge number of offenders and they are not at all deterred by the signs.

Expecially at night, the restriction is 24 hours!

does anyone know if these cameras are actually live because there seems to be a huge number of offenders and they are not at all deterred by the signs.

Expecially at night, the restriction is 24 hours!

Thread started at the beginning of December. Anyone know of anyone whos been given a fine?

does anyone know if these cameras are actually live because there seems to be a huge number of offenders and they are not at all deterred by the signs.

Expecially at night, the restriction is 24 hours!

The word Arrogant springs to mind.

Last evening every man and his dog were driving on through the Wicker bus gate so at the end of the day if the council are not bothering to enforce the regulations then its just a case of the good ol Labour government wasting millions of pounds of OUR money.
Just wondering what the next daft idea in tinkering with the City's road will come next.

I really hope car drivers get nailed with this...:D

does anyone know if these cameras are actually live because there seems to be a huge number of offenders and they are not at all deterred by the signs.

Expecially at night, the restriction is 24 hours!

Yes, cameras are live.

i bet a lot of SF users have drove through? any fines yet??

Why is this bus gate going to be 24 hour when busses don't run after midnight? the Hillsborough one is not 24 hour???
Anyone know??

Why can't it be full access from midnight -6am ?

i bet a lot of SF users have drove through? any fines yet??

Have been issuing warning notices so far. Fines will start on Monday. See article in the Star: http://www.thestar.co.uk/headlines/TRAFFIC-Wicker-nogo-area.3652603.jp