For ages on-and-off, I have been debating with a couple of my friends about the death of Myra Hindley, the infamous Moors Murderer.

I don't think she died at all. I think she has been released from prison, and now has a new identity. :suspect:

My reason for thinking this are.

She died on 15th November 2002, and the reason of death given was pneumonia. As pneumonia is quite easily diagnose and treat by antibiotics these days, is it believeable someone of 60 yrs would die of this? :suspect:

She only had four pall-bearers, and they carried her coffin easily. Was it empty? :suspect:

Legislation was due in 2003 by the European Court with regards to 'lifers' and the maximum terms they should serve. This would have caused public outcry if Myra had been able to get out of prison, due to the overwhelming public opinion that in her case 'life should mean life' :suspect:

Her funeral arrangements were somewhat shielded from the public view. What was the reason for this? :suspect:

If Myra was ever going to be released, which Home Secretary would want to be the one rememered for allowing her out? Maybe this way, justice is done (or not done, delete as applicable!) and nobody carries the can? :suspect:

What do you guys think?

K x

Knowing this government.. I wouldnt be surprised at all if Myra is still alive and breathing in england somewhere.

:clap: A conspiracy theory! To be honest Kristian I've never really questioned Myra Hindley's death.. but thinking about it now... I suppose its not impossible that she could be living with a new identity. But why would they release her after all this time? :suspect: And is pneumonia as a cause of death really that unlikely for a 60 year old? ..... Hmmm... got me thinking now! :P

I thought around 1 in 3 people that got pneumonia still died from it? Those most at risk are children and older people.

Apparently she is living with Elvis.

I sometimes wonder if Hitler is really dead.
It was very chaotic in Germany in April 1945 and a man like Hitler would have had no trouble coming up with a double.
The S.S. are said to have burned Hitler's body with petrol but petrol was very short in Berlin at that time.
Hitler had just got married----wouldn't he liked to have a few days in Berchtesgarten before he handed his dinner-plate in ?
Wouldn't an egocentric like old Adolf have preferred to go out in a blaze of glory , rather than be done away with in a back garden ?
Since the war "Hitler " has been spotted in places like Beunos Aires , Cairo , Hull , Durban , Rochdale and Skegness. Can all these sightings be wrong ?
What prompted this is that last night there was a man in our local chippie with a short , square moustache and a lock of hair , curling over his forehead. He was also very nasty-tempered and threatened to " march behind there and duff you up ". Obviously Hitler will be very old now but with all the advances in medicine and so on , it's quite possible the old boy is still toddling around , still causing trouble.

Originally posted by jonsastar
Apparently she is living with Elvis.

Nice one, but I'm serious!

K x

Originally posted by sheffexpat
I sometimes wonder if Hitler is really dead.
It was very chaotic in Germany in April 1945 and a man like Hitler would have had no trouble coming up with a double.
The S.S. are said to have burned Hitler's body with petrol but petrol was very short in Berlin at that time.
Hitler had just got married----wouldn't he liked to have a few days in Berchtesgarten before he handed his dinner-plate in ?
Wouldn't an egocentric like old Adolf have preferred to go out in a blaze of glory , rather than be done away with in a back garden ?
Since the war "Hitler " has been spotted in places like Beunos Aires , Cairo , Hull , Durban , Rochdale and Skegness. Can all these sightings be wrong ?
What prompted this is that last night there was a man in our local chippie with a short , square moustache and a lock of hair , curling over his forehead. He was also very nasty-tempered and threatened to " march behind there and duff you up ". Obviously Hitler will be very old now but with all the advances in medicine and so on , it's quite possible the old boy is still toddling around , still causing trouble.

He'd be 116 by now...but then again, Cliff Richards and Des O'Connor are still upright, so anything's possible.

Originally posted by Snook
I thought around 1 in 3 people that got pneumonia still died from it? Those most at risk are children and older people.
And She was reprted to be a chain smoker. I know someone who was much younger who smoked heavily and died of this only about 10 years before.

And as for only 4 coffin bearers. Isn't that quite normal for a slight person or a child.

Originally posted by Kristian
Nice one, but I'm serious!

K x

I wasnt actually aware the monster had died.

It would be hard for officials to keep a secret there would be to much reason for some one who new she was alive to not keep it secret.

Honestly if they say shes dead then I think she is.

The coffin seems to be a bit of an unneccesary waste. Surely there's a landfill site somewhere close by.

Originally posted by jonsastar
I wasnt actually aware the monster had died.

It would be hard for officials to keep a secret there would be to much reason for some one who new she was alive to keep it secret.

Honestly if they say shes dead then I think she is.

What about all the other famous conspiracy theories? 9/11, Diana etc. Nobody can prove they're right or wrong...

K x

Originally posted by Kristian
[B]

She died on 15th November 2002, and the reason of death given was pneumonia. As pneumonia is quite easily diagnose and treat by antibiotics these days, is it believeable someone of 60 yrs would die of this? :suspect:

She only had four pall-bearers, and they carried her coffin easily. Was it empty? :suspect:

B]

Pneumonia is a very common cause of death.

Some undertakers often use only three pallbearers, two at the head one at the feet.

Originally posted by Kristian
What about all the other famous conspiracy theories? 9/11, Diana etc. Nobody can prove they're right or wrong...

K x

Why would they let her out of prison alive, NO , it just doesnt make sense.

On the other hand, Diana, there was lots of reason to have her done in, we couldnt have the future Kings mother being married to an arab could we.

911, whats the theory there then, the Yanks did it to cover up there recession. Or maybe to have a reason to take the oil fields in Iraq. hmmm.....

I hate conspiracy theories.

Why do people have to read more into major events than is necessary? Boredom, I think.

Originally posted by markham
He'd be 116 by now...but then again, Cliff Richards and Des O'Connor are still upright, so anything's possible.

Is Cliff Richards over 100? He certainly seems to have been around since the beginning of time.

I think she'd dead and to be honest I'd forgotten all about her.

Pneumonia still carries people off, even with antibiotics.

She was one of the 'bogie men' of my childhood, as I was a toddler when she and Brady were committing their crimes.

Given that Brady is still inside (I think), I doubt they'd let her go even 'under wraps'.

Joe

Originally posted by Kristian
She died on 15th November 2002, and the reason of death given was pneumonia. As pneumonia is quite easily diagnose and treat by antibiotics these days, is it believeable someone of 60 yrs would die of this? :suspect:

What do you guys think?

K x

just over a year ago i had a cold, then i thort i was having a asthma attack so huby rang the ambulance, all i can remember is being took out of the ambulance, then i woke up.. it was 8 days later. i had been on a ventilator in the ITU and they told my hubby they couldnt say whether or not i would make it.i had got pneumonia.while i was in there another lady died of it.
i was like you tho before it happened to me i never dreamt that it was still so deadly in this day and age:(

Litha

Is Myra Hindley dead? I hope so, they buried her.

Edward see those alluring lights, tonight will be your very last night
A woman says 'I know my child is dead, I'll never rest my hands on his sacred head'

Hindley awakes and Hindley says 'Wherever he has gone, I have gone'

Oh, Manchester, so much to answer for

(Stephen Patrick Morrissey)

Originally posted by BoroughGal
I hate conspiracy theories.

Why do people have to read more into major events than is necessary? Boredom, I think.

Because in time the people are proved right to have been suspicious, and with the Freedom of Information Act now in place, we'll see at lot more stories like this surfacing!

Originally posted by JoePritchard
Given that Brady is still inside (I think), I doubt they'd let her go even 'under wraps'.

Joe

However, Brady has said he does not want to be released, and admits he has a mental illness. Myra repented her crimes, and said she was led into it.

K x

Pneumonia is still a common cause of death, 4 people to carry a coffin is more than enough and as for her funeral arrangements - why tell us anyway?

Originally posted by fnkysknky
Pneumonia is still a common cause of death, 4 people to carry a coffin is more than enough and as for her funeral arrangements - why tell us anyway?

Yeah, you're right. Theres obviously absolutley no other alternative...

K x

Originally posted by fnkysknky
Pneumonia is still a common cause of death


I had pneumonia when I was 6 months old (circa 1966).


I got better.</python>


It's true though. I was in hospital for the best part of 9 weeks (as was my mother, at roughly the same age, coincedentaly).


I didn't even know it'd croaked (Hindley):confused: let alone been dumped in a pit??

Originally posted by timo
Is Myra Hindley dead? I hope so, they buried her.

If they have buried her I hope she WAS alive!:evil:

totally agree, hope she rots in hell.

Originally posted by timo
Is Myra Hindley dead? I hope so, they buried her.

Yeah..shame she was dead, we should have done it to her a few years back and let the evil bitch see what those kids went through at the hands of her and Brady. May they both rot in hell.:rant:

I hope she's dead too, I just don't believe she is.

Keep an eye out for that friendly old woman moving in on your street!

K x

Originally posted by Kristian
Yeah, you're right. Theres obviously absolutley no other alternative...

K x

I'm not saying there isn't an alternative, I'm just pointing out that the points you made don't really provide muich evidence of a cover up.

Does anyone remember seeing Margaret Thatcher and Myra Hindley together? Are they one and the same person?

Originally posted by max
Does anyone remember seeing Margaret Thatcher and Myra Hindley together? Are they one and the same person?

Ouch Max, you are awful, but so very close to the truth:thumbsup:

BTW has anyone seen Ringo Starr since Yasser Arafat died ?

Originally posted by max
Does anyone remember seeing Margaret Thatcher and Myra Hindley together? Are they one and the same person?

Don't know about these two, but according to rumours, Michael Jackson and La Toya ae one and the same...

shes still alive

For ages on-and-off, I have been debating with a couple of my friends about the death of Myra Hindley, the infamous Moors Murderer.

I don't think she died at all. I think she has been released from prison, and now has a new identity. :suspect:

My reason for thinking this are.

She died on 15th November 2002, and the reason of death given was pneumonia. As pneumonia is quite easily diagnose and treat by antibiotics these days, is it believeable someone of 60 yrs would die of this? :suspect:

She only had four pall-bearers, and they carried her coffin easily. Was it empty? :suspect:

Legislation was due in 2003 by the European Court with regards to 'lifers' and the maximum terms they should serve. This would have caused public outcry if Myra had been able to get out of prison, due to the overwhelming public opinion that in her case 'life should mean life' :suspect:

Her funeral arrangements were somewhat shielded from the public view. What was the reason for this? :suspect:

If Myra was ever going to be released, which Home Secretary would want to be the one rememered for allowing her out? Maybe this way, justice is done (or not done, delete as applicable!) and nobody carries the can? :suspect:

What do you guys think?

K x
After whatching the documentary tonight this idea makes the blood run cold.
Lets hope she is dead and gone

For ages on-and-off, I have been debating with a couple of my friends about the death of Myra Hindley, the infamous Moors Murderer.

I don't think she died at all. I think she has been released from prison, and now has a new identity. :suspect:

My reason for thinking this are.

She died on 15th November 2002, and the reason of death given was pneumonia. As pneumonia is quite easily diagnose and treat by antibiotics these days, is it believeable someone of 60 yrs would die of this? :suspect:

She only had four pall-bearers, and they carried her coffin easily. Was it empty? :suspect:

Legislation was due in 2003 by the European Court with regards to 'lifers' and the maximum terms they should serve. This would have caused public outcry if Myra had been able to get out of prison, due to the overwhelming public opinion that in her case 'life should mean life' :suspect:

Her funeral arrangements were somewhat shielded from the public view. What was the reason for this? :suspect:

If Myra was ever going to be released, which Home Secretary would want to be the one rememered for allowing her out? Maybe this way, justice is done (or not done, delete as applicable!) and nobody carries the can? :suspect:

What do you guys think?

K x I think you're a conspiracy theorist, and, with respect, bonkers.

shes still alive

Would you like expand on that comment darren?

Would you like expand on that comment darren?

Oh No ! Look what the cat dragged back in !

I hate conspiracy theories.

Why do people have to read more into major events than is necessary? Boredom, I think.

conversely, why do people have to believe what the mainstream media tell them without questioning what they are being sold?

brainwashed? don't think?

I sometimes wonder if Hitler is really dead.
It was very chaotic in Germany in April 1945 and a man like Hitler would have had no trouble coming up with a double.


well i doubt if he's still alive now but it's not unthinkable that he made it out of germany alive

project paperclip was a covert op at the end of ww2 that smuggled many of the top nazi scientists into the usa to continue their work

for instance, the usa's rocket program was based on a load of the nazis work (V2 flying bombs etc)

She is alive and well and currently working in a chip shop in Walkley.

For ages on-and-off, I have been debating with a couple of my friends about the death of Myra Hindley, the infamous Moors Murderer. She died on 15th November 2002, and the reason of death given was pneumonia. As pneumonia is quite easily diagnose and treat by antibiotics these days, is it believeable someone of 60 yrs would die of this? :suspect: x

I wish forumers would check their facts before embarking on unsubstantiated stories like this. Myra Hindley died of a heart attack — not pneumonia. And as for her being alive … ! No chance. Every newspaper in England would have checked that one!

Every newspaper in England would have checked that one!
Yes but maybe they're all in on it as well :rolleyes:

I wish forumers would check their facts before embarking on unsubstantiated stories like this. Myra Hindley died of a heart attack — not pneumonia. And as for her being alive … ! No chance. Every newspaper in England would have checked that one!

Pneumonia quite clearly listed as cause of death here (http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=651&id=91892003)

For ages on-and-off, I have been debating with a couple of my friends about the death of Myra Hindley, the infamous Moors Murderer.

I don't think she died at all. I think she has been released from prison, and now has a new identity. :suspect:

My reason for thinking this are.

She died on 15th November 2002, and the reason of death given was pneumonia. As pneumonia is quite easily diagnose and treat by antibiotics these days, is it believeable someone of 60 yrs would die of this? :suspect:

She only had four pall-bearers, and they carried her coffin easily. Was it empty? :suspect:

Legislation was due in 2003 by the European Court with regards to 'lifers' and the maximum terms they should serve. This would have caused public outcry if Myra had been able to get out of prison, due to the overwhelming public opinion that in her case 'life should mean life' :suspect:

Her funeral arrangements were somewhat shielded from the public view. What was the reason for this? :suspect:

If Myra was ever going to be released, which Home Secretary would want to be the one rememered for allowing her out? Maybe this way, justice is done (or not done, delete as applicable!) and nobody carries the can? :suspect:

What do you guys think?

K x

I could've written this myself Kristian!

Having worked in the Probation Service in the past, we had theories along the same lines as you. Personally speaking, I'm convinced she's still around.

Also take into account that only official bodies attended the funeral, and that her 'ashes' were scattered at a 'secret' location.

I had it on good authority from a trusted and well respected colleague within the service that Myra had been spending one day a week in the community prior to her death as part of her rehabilitation into the community programme.

Form your own opinions everyone...

Stagey x

I wish forumers would check their facts before embarking on unsubstantiated stories like this. Myra Hindley died of a heart attack — not pneumonia. And as for her being alive … ! No chance. Every newspaper in England would have checked that one!

She allegedly died of Bronchial Pneumonia, so I don't quite know where you're getting your 'facts' from...

But, if what you say is true, prove that she is dead!

You can't can you?

Just because the papers said she's dead, it doesn't automatically mean it's true....

Believe me, I've worked in the services, and strange things can happen when it comes to the re-integration of offenders into the community.

'Believe nothing of what you hear or read, and only half of what you see'

Stagey x

Pneumonia quite clearly listed as cause of death here (http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=651&id=91892003)
That report also states:

Michael Heath, a pathologist, told a jury at Highpoint prison, in Suffolk, that Hindley suffered from angina, osteoarthritis and breathing problems that meant she had to take 24 different medications.

He told the inquest that Hindley, who was a heavy smoker, died of bronchial pneumonia as a result of hypertension and coronary heart disease. Jurors ruled that she died of natural causes
So you can see that she was obviously a very sick woman and in exactly the kind of state where pneumonia would easily finish her off, what reason do you have to accuse the name pathologist of lying under oath about this case?

I could've written this myself Kristian!

Having worked in the Probation Service in the past, we had theories along the same lines as you. Personally speaking, I'm convinced she's still around.

Also take into account that only official bodies attended the funeral, and that her 'ashes' were scattered at a 'secret' location.
And this clearly wasn’t to stop her funeral from becoming some kind of a freak show or to stop any designated burial point from becoming some kind of a ghoulish tourist attraction :roll:

I had it on good authority from a trusted and well respected colleague within the service that Myra had been spending one day a week in the community prior to her death as part of her rehabilitation into the community programme.

Form your own opinions everyone...
Unsubstantiated, anonymous hearsay, how terribly convincing :roll:

She allegedly died of Bronchial Pneumonia, so I don't quite know where you're getting your 'facts' from...

But, if what you say is true, prove that she is dead!

You can't can you?
You are the one making the outlandish claims the burden of proof is upon you to prove them to be correct not for anyone else to prove a negative.

Just because the papers said she's dead, it doesn't automatically mean it's true....
The news article kristian himself posted link (http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=651&id=91892003) has a Dr Clare Laroche testifying under oath about Hindley’s death why are you accusing her of lying?

Believe me, I've worked in the services, and strange things can happen when it comes to the re-integration of offenders into the community.

'Believe nothing of what you hear or read, and only half of what you see'
All the actual evidence points to her being dead and all you have to oppose that is unsubstantiated anonymous non-specific hearsay, and meaningless slogans why should we take that over the word under oath of amongst others a Patholigst a Consultant and a Coroner in what was a death subject to an enormous amount of media scrutiny?

No and I reckon Dodi n Di are still alive too :suspect: it was lookalikes that were killed while they snook out the back.

The situation being immediately pounced on by Royal Advisors so they could elope into anonymity without messy divorces/ Royals marrying out of Christianity blah blah.

They have enough wealth n property to do this.

I'm pretty sure she's dead. Brady is still alive isn't he? And is Rose West still alive?

That report also states:


So you can see that she was obviously a very sick woman and in exactly the kind of state where pneumonia would easily finish her off, what reason do you have to accuse the name pathologist of lying under oath about this case?


And this clearly wasn’t to stop her funeral from becoming some kind of a freak show or to stop any designated burial point from becoming some kind of a ghoulish tourist attraction :roll:


Unsubstantiated, anonymous hearsay, how terribly convincing :roll:


You are the one making the outlandish claims the burden of proof is upon you to prove them to be correct not for anyone else to prove a negative.


The news article kristian himself posted link (http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=651&id=91892003) has a Dr Clare Laroche testifying under oath about Hindley’s death why are you accusing her of lying?


All the actual evidence points to her being dead and all you have to oppose that is unsubstantiated anonymous non-specific hearsay, and meaningless slogans why should we take that over the word under oath of amongst others a Patholigst a Consultant and a Coroner in what was a death subject to an enormous amount of media scrutiny?

Plekhanov, don't go patronizing me ya young whippersnapper! I've forgotten more than you'll ever know about Probation, the Prison service and Mental Health! After studying Abnormal Psychology, Sociology and Social Policy, and working as part of Multi-disciplinary teams for a number of years, I think I'm more qualified than most to give an opinion! Yah?

Poppet, you're entitled to your opinion, but respect my right to mine!

Just because you state your case, it doesn't make you right and me wrong. Vice-versa!

They're called 'opinions' - we all have them!

:)

Hey, Stagey, wasn't she at the Sportsman last night? :hihi:

More importantly is Richard Hillman still alive, I hope not, for poor Gails sake. The no chin, ferret like bint has surely gone through enough. :thumbsup:

Hey, Stagey, wasn't she at the Sportsman last night? :hihi:

:hihi:

See, I told them I was right!

x

Come to think of it my uncle could still be alive. I wouldn't put it past the miserly old bas**rd to have faked his own death to get out of paying me back that tenner he borrowed.
Oh hang on, he had an open coffin at his funeral. Damn.

Just because you state your case, it doesn't make you right and me wrong. Vice-versa!

They're called 'opinions' - we all have them!

:)

What makes you probablywrong and plekhanov almost certainly right is the overwhelming body of evidence that points to Myra Hindley being dead.
I'd put believing Hindley to be still alive in the same bracket as the flat earth theorist's camp, or those who still reckon we never went to the moon.

She allegedly died of Bronchial Pneumonia, so I don't quite know where you're getting your 'facts' from...

But, if what you say is true, prove that she is dead!

You can't can you?

Just because the papers said she's dead, it doesn't automatically mean it's true....

Believe me, I've worked in the services, and strange things can happen when it comes to the re-integration of offenders into the community.

'Believe nothing of what you hear or read, and only half of what you see'

Stagey x

I Googled ‘Myra Hindley’ and that’s what I got. It depends on which version (there are several) you read. In reply to your other questions, no, I can’t prove she isn’t dead, just as you can’t prove she is! However, if she was alive and living in the U.K someone would have spotted her before now. And I don’t suppose for a minute that any other country would take her in as an immigrant on the grounds that her life would be in danger if she returned to England. And bear in mind, newspapers like the Daily Mirror would pay a fortune to anyone who knew she was alive and where she is living, but there have been no takers so yes, she’s dead.

She is definately alive. I have seen her television shows in the week. She has guests on, and there is a dog called 'Buster' on the show.

Interesting - she was relatively young and would have been under close medical supervision.
On the other hand, Richard Whiteley, who would have good medical care, died of the same thing at a similar age.

What makes you probablywrong and plekhanov almost certainly right is the overwhelming body of evidence that points to Myra Hindley being dead.
I'd put believing Hindley to be still alive in the same bracket as the flat earth theorist's camp, or those who still reckon we never went to the moon.

Do you really think 'evidence' can't be created? lol

Do you ever wonder why it costs an obscene amount of money to properly, professionally create a new identity for a high profile case?

Again, Halibut, you have your opinion. Allow me to have mine!

Kind regards

:)

She died on 15th November 2002, and the reason of death given was pneumonia. As pneumonia is quite easily diagnose and treat by antibiotics these days, is it believeable someone of 60 yrs would die of this? :suspect:

Yes.

Her funeral arrangements were somewhat shielded from the public view. What was the reason for this? :suspect:

I imagine if specific details of the whereabouts were made public, there would have been a large number of people intent on disrupting the service.


Though I can see what you're getting at, if they wanted to slip her out quietly then this would be a good way of doing it.

I think this is plausible. The Bulger killers have been released back into society with new identities. There is no way Hindley could have been released back into society; the general public, not to mention her victims' families, would have been in uproar. The only possible way to release her would be if the public believed her to be dead. If the 'conspiracy theory' is true, let's hope to god they keep her on a very tight leash and away from children.

Do you really think 'evidence' can't be created? lol

Do you ever wonder why it costs an obscene amount of money to properly, professionally create a new identity for a high profile case?

Again, Halibut, you have your opinion. Allow me to have mine!

Kind regards

:)
Congratulations you have neatly shown why trying to debate conspiracy nuts it such a pointless exercise:

The lack of evidence for a conspiracy? Why that’s because of the cover up.

The abundance of evidence disproving the conspiracy theory? Well obviously it's all been fabricated.

All the people who patiently point out the many ways in which your conspiracy theories are as wrong as wrong can be, well either they're poor saps who've been hoodwinked by the conspiracy or maybe they're be in on it to.

So basically nomatter what happens it is interpreted as further proof of the conspiracy :loopy:

Once again sTaGeWaLkEr nobody is trying to stop you have an opinion they are simply pointing out that your opinion is ridiculous and counter to all the evidence in this case. After all to most reasonable people, an opinion back by a multitude of evidence > an opinion, sadly conspiracy nuts are immune to reason.

So basically no matter what happens it is interpreted as further proof of the conspiracy
"Liberalism is a disease whose first symptom is an inability to believe in conspiracies".

Once again sTaGeWaLkEr nobody is trying to stop you have an opinion they are simply pointing out that your opinion is ridiculous

They? What's all this 'they' about?

I'll tell you what....why don't you put your hand over your mouth and shout 'Full up'?

:)

With love

Stagey x

They? What's all this 'they' about?
Maybe I wasn’t being quite obvious enough for you, by ‘they’ I meant all the people in this thread who you seem to think have been oppressing you by pointing out that your baseless opinions on this issue you are just about as wrong as it is possible to be.

Is Myra Hindley dead? I hope so, they buried her.

she was cremated in cambridge

Oh, Manchester, so much to answer for

(Stephen Patrick Morrissey)

[fan mode on]
It's Steven not Stephen
[/fan mode off]

"Liberalism is a disease whose first symptom is an inability to believe in conspiracies".

We have seen many threads about "conspiracies" on this board - 9/11, moon landings, Princess Di's death are the most recent that spring to mind - and some of the main protaganists against the conspiracy theorists have been far from "liberals".

I think the quote complete nonesense - many "liberals" I know have a healthy bs detector.

As for Myra Hindley - yes brown bread, again too many people would have had to be "in on it" and the money that the tabloids would pay to anyone who had been party to any attemp to free Hindley woud surely have brough them forward by now.