I am in total shock of the events of the past week. The hallamshire hospital trust has given the flower shop and the newsagents the chop, giving them untill the 31st dec to vacate. The flower shop has been there for almost 30 years and has been run by the same lady since it first opened. She was told last year that her lease would be for 12 months and would be put up for tender, but she was verbally assured that she would be fine by trust. She was sent a standard letter ( not from the trust but from an outside comapany) informing her she had been unsuccesfull, and thanking her for her interest!! she was given untill 31st dec 2007 to vacate the shop!!!! the news agents also had the same reply after they had tendered, getting the same cold letter this week. The flower shop owner and her workers are in deep shock being told after 30 years service they would be looking for jobs just before christmas! The trust as yet have not given the units time to allow the employees to find work elsewhere. Surley this is a joke? who would make people out of a job at this time of year? i would of thought that the nhs would understand the massive amount of public support that would be given to the flower shop and paper shop? both units have petitions in place, and the reponse has been unreal, people are emailing, ringing, writting letters to the people involved. All the public are up in arms about the decision , and the way it has been done. The units not only provide a service for patients, staff and visitors but also provide a place for people to feel at home, in a place of stress , and upset at times. I know the girls who work in the flower shop have often be very kind to people who have just had very distessing news, (be it loosing a family member or being told bad news as a patient) many times they have sat people down, made them a cuppa and been a shoulder to cry on or an ear to listen. This is not your usual flower and fruit shop !! the staff there have feel very upset by the trusts decision. 4 weeks notice to get out, is not on. One of their staff is a single mom of two boys, she told me of how her son had offered his saved up £10 pocket money to put towards mortage and bills,, this just makes me feel so angry that a family at christmas has to think about these things... i mean are we just all facts and figuers on paper? The press are eager to talk to both shops , as are various radio staions, people are climbing over themselves to sign the petition and the word is that the public is "disgusted" that these people who have served the hospital for so many years can be tossed aside for some big chain comapny, a cold service. do they think a large company is going to give the same persoanl service?? I just can not believe it has happenedl, the flower shop have been warned to stop making a disturbance!!, of course they dont like to have the finger pointed and im sure they would prefere that the staff just roll over!! of course the distress people are feeling is due to the choice the nhs trust has made, they are the shops side and im sure will support them all the way. if the nhs doesnt want disturbance then they should consider the choices and how they inflict them first eh!! its about "people lives" and "peoples choices" and it seems very clear that the only people to want this change is the nhs trust bosses"!!!
NEVER BEEN SO ANGRY AND UPPSET...AND I KNOW, IM NOT ALONE.

Do you own the flower shop?

Should we not be concerned about getting value you for money from the NHS? If extra money from increased rent from a larger company could increase the number of operations carried out for example or reduce the running costs of the hospital?

Would it be a shame to lose a local business? I guess it would be, but sometimes the bigger picture is more important.

If only it was that simple.

With the NHS, any funds gained from other sources are not put into funding more operations etc. Hence every department struggling to spend ALL it's allotted funding before the end of the fiscal year, otherwise they lose it. They scrimp and scrape for most of the year, just in case. But, come March they start to spend spend spend.

Do you really think that the money raised from upping the rent on two shops will make anything of a big difference?

I agree, don't let them get away with it. There should be an online petition.

Angi





Do you own the flower shop?

Should we not be concerned about getting value you for money from the NHS? If extra money from increased rent from a larger company could increase the number of operations carried out for example or reduce the running costs of the hospital?

Would it be a shame to lose a local business? I guess it would be, but sometimes the bigger picture is more important.

I knew someone who ran the WRVS (or may of been the league of friends) ward trolleys at the NGH, she was going round one day and noticed that people weren’t buying and that several had got goods already.

It was discovered that the trolley run had been sold by tender to a newsagent the authorities didn’t even know that the run took place, it transpired that the financial assistance given by the WRVS to the hospital was many times more than the newsagent gave in cash.

This seems yet another example of penny pinching

Aggenda for change

Parking charges for staff at the NGH

Then vastly reducing staff parking so visitors have more spaces generating more revenue

Closing down catering facilities for shift workers out of hours

Punitive and vindictive attitude to staff sickness

And now the newsies and the flower shop at the Hallamshire

All in 2007 has been a busy year at the hospitals

Hospitals are not big business
They do not have shareholders
They do however have managers keen to get more performance related pay and/or OBE's

Hospitals rely on the staff to be happy
Most staff in hospitals are not in it for money
Making it a more hostile place to work is not a good thing for staff morale and recruitment

Deepak

Today it seems that everyone has their hand in your pocket.... it seems this country is all about money and greater things such as humanity and compassion are unimportant. You would of thought that compassion and humanity in a hospital were highly essential. The shops facing closure have given all this and more, will this be the case with a big chain?? I think not, as long as the till rings ..then thats all that matter eh!! sod people..lets just make money... some poeple just have too much money and no heart or compasssion. Oh and if money was really the issue, why were both shops not asked if they wanted to match or increes the tender offer?? would it be that the nhs trust would be gaining in some other way??? will they be telling us that wrvs is next? will the dinning room be put out for teneder next? perhaps a little chef may be able to line your pockets better? Give me a break, this is fascissm!!!

is there an online petition?

Today it seems that everyone has their hand in your pocket.... it seems this country is all about money and greater things such as humanity and compassion are unimportant. You would of thought that compassion and humanity in a hospital were highly essential. The shops facing closure have given all this and more, will this be the case with a big chain?? I think not, as long as the till rings ..then thats all that matter eh!! sod people..lets just make money... some poeple just have too much money and no heart or compasssion. Oh and if money was really the issue, why were both shops not asked if they wanted to match or increes the tender offer?? would it be that the nhs trust would be gaining in some other way??? will they be telling us that wrvs is next? will the dinning room be put out for teneder next? perhaps a little chef may be able to line your pockets better? Give me a break, this is fascissm!!!

I agree that compassion and humanity are great values but we live in a modern society where budgets/finances dominate. If the trust gave them a 12 month lease then to me I would have already been thinking of my own future - anyone knows that you can't count on large organisations to look after you. Sometimes the NHS can't win, we criticise them for not looking after patients properly but when they make difficult decisions to save costs they get criticised for this as well. These shop owners are only facing the same problems as other small businesses, I know as my family had to shut theirs last year also down to not being able to compete with the bigger firms.

I know this sounds heartless with the festive period coming up but it just goes to prove don't count on anything unless its down on paper.

is there an online petition?

there is no online petition as yet. but both shops have petitions in the shop, i believe that they will also be able to be signed at other places around the city center. but i will inform the owners about getting an online version together. thanks x

Hospitals are not big business
They do not have shareholders


Hospitals are the biggest single business in the entire country, and their shareholders are everybody who pays tax. Those shareholders are entitled to want their money spent efficiently.

When (not if, but when) the NHS is privatised, they'll get what they want, and none too soon.

there is no online petition as yet. but both shops have petitions in the shop, i believe that they will also be able to be signed at other places around the city center. but i will inform the owners about getting an online version together. thanks x

I will happily sign an online petition or one in town if possible.
And my family and friends will too.

I dont want to appear cynical, but what Im talking about here is not a criticism towards our modern way of life and the liberal and capitalist system that is determined, that I fully support. The point that Im trying to get over here is the MORAL side of it. Morality is not an interllectualist point of view against liberlism but instead it is the ethical base of any kind of socity poppulated by human beings. I strongly believe that a public institution such as the NHS was acting immoral by giving the proprietos and thier staff just 4 weeks notice after alomost 30 years of honorable service.

...... the NHS was acting immoral by giving the proprietos and thier staff just 4 weeks notice after alomost 30 years of honorable service.

By your own post, they were given over 12 months notice that their tenure was subject to a successful tender.

my mum works in the florist she is gutted not over the money side but more for the friendships she has made in the hospital not only with workers but with the patients.
she loves her job and is so upset that the florist and the newsagents are to close after so many years.
she is very pleased about the support that staff and visitors are giving her at this stressful time.
she would like to thank everyone for that.

Hospitals are the biggest single business in the entire country, and their shareholders are everybody who pays tax. Those shareholders are entitled to want their money spent efficiently.

When (not if, but when) the NHS is privatised, they'll get what they want, and none too soon.

In your dreams!

In your dreams!

Please explain this statement.

By your own post, they were given over 12 months notice that their tenure was subject to a successful tender.

they had been verbally assured for 12 months that they would be ok..that the lease would be renewed to them. And after a tender has been succesfull, then they should give more than 4 weeks notice, at least 3 months.

they had been verbally assured for 12 months that they would be ok..that the lease would be renewed to them.

Sadly, in the real world these days, a verbal assurance is not worth the paper it is written on! - especially not in the NHS ! Been there and got the t shirt !

Please explain this statement.

Simple: Heyesey seems to want the NHS to be privatised. I don't think it will happen, not fully anyway. Privatising the NHS would be a bad thing for us. However, this is off-topic.

Simple: Heyesey seems to want the NHS to be privatised. I don't think it will happen, not fully anyway. Privatising the NHS would be a bad thing for us. However, this is off-topic.

It is but I agree with you.

they had been verbally assured for 12 months that they would be ok..that the lease would be renewed to them. And after a tender has been succesfull, then they should give more than 4 weeks notice, at least 3 months.

Agreed; I think this is very bad form, and so unnecessary. I wonder what's the reason behind the apparent haste.

I shall be signing the petition, and I urge others to do the same. You wouldn't want this sort of thing doing to you, would you?

NHS...No Humane Sensitivity
:huh:

Simple: Heyesey seems to want the NHS to be privatised. I don't think it will happen, not fully anyway. Privatising the NHS would be a bad thing for us. However, this is off-topic.

It is off topic but important to point out that the PFI hospitals are woefully ineffiecient but cut backs are having to hit the more effiecient older ones because the contracts force payments to PFI over next 20 - 30 years. If anyone thinks a privatised US style system is more effiecient they're barking mad.

To get back on topic this is just another sad example of an over-stretched system, burdened by a culture of continueous reform, trying to claw back revenue any way it can!

The reason the NHS is struggling is due to the stupid increase in pay for GP's and Consultants fordoing less work, they just swan off in their free time to do private work and make a mint. While the rest of the staff have had to take a lot of cuts. Their idea of making cuts is to make people redundant and then have to re apply for their own jobs that have been chopped about and re banded so they can de crease their money. No one can do anything about it as its the doctors and consultants thet run it all. Its disgusting, my partner works for the NHS and they are trying all the underhand tactics they can to cut their wages, its the way its managed that need the overall not clinical staff who deserve every penny they get. It seem everyone has to suffer except the people at the top who look after themselves. Also targets come before anything including peoples lives.

NHS...No Humane Sensitivity
:huh:

Thats rather harsh ! We are talking about a paper shop !

I s'pose the same people who are saying "get over it" are the same ones who wouldn't object if their own companies were taken over by multinationals and then their jobs were shipped off to India to be done by someone else as it was more 'cost efficient'? ;)

The tender won't have been won by a commercial enterprise because they would cost the NHS LESS, but because they would pay them MORE to rent the space. That will mean the staff who work in said new shop will be paid less and the customers will pay more.

The money won't go to operations as funding just doesn't work that way, but into the coffers of Estates or whatever the equivalent is. It'll fund a better awayday next year ;)

I am told by a family member who works at the hallamshire...............

"Perhaps we might get some better quality fruit, and yoghurts that are not out of date now".

Lets be honest the fact that they have been there for 30 years in not relevant, a tender is a tender and will have been judged accordingly.

When i myself have used the paper shop I have to say miserable staff do not make you think I hope these people run this shop for ever.

ALSO IT MUST BE NOTED THE OPENING TITLE IS INCORRECT.

They are not closing, someone else will be running them.

i just thought id have rant, it seems like everything in this country is going down the plug hole. Someone will have been back handed to take over the running of the flower shop and papershop. Good old british values.

Have the Hospitals Trust responded in any way to the public complaints about this?

Maybe they'll turn the flower shop into a much bigger, better shop that offers a wider range of products. Hopefully they'll improve the entire entrance at the same time.

At the moment, whilst the newsagents is useful it's range of stock is pretty poor. Most hospitals have a much better shop, often only the one, but that stocks most things patients would need. Hopefully this is the sort of improvement the hospital are looking to make.

No, just, no.

They can't lose the paper shop! Now where do I get my Lottery ticket from on a Wednesday after I've finished on the radio?! :rant:

Cutbacks! :loopy:

They're required services for christ sake! :rant:

Simple: Heyesey seems to want the NHS to be privatised.

I don't think anybody WANTS the NHS to be privatised; nevertheless, sooner or later it will happen. Either sooner, because a government has the guts to go through with it, or later because it'll bankrupt the country and we'll be left with no choice.

No, just, no.

They can't lose the paper shop! Now where do I get my Lottery ticket from on a Wednesday after I've finished on the radio?! :rant:
Cutbacks! :loopy:

They're required services for christ sake! :rant:

Which is why, if you bother to read the thread, yu'll find that the services will continue, just in different hands. :rolleyes:

They can't lose the paper shop! Now where do I get my Lottery ticket from on a Wednesday after I've finished on the radio?! :rant:

Try here (http://www.national-lottery.co.uk) :)

I don't think anybody WANTS the NHS to be privatised; nevertheless, sooner or later it will happen. Either sooner, because a government has the guts to go through with it, or later because it'll bankrupt the country and we'll be left with no choice.

Like any Government would dare. They'd be out of office in no time at all.

I spent 7 weeks at the hospital this year day in and day out with my elderly mother in law who had had a stroke.

Both shops served me well and were used by me on a daily basis, this is a disgusting state of affairs and whole unfair. !!!

Thats rather harsh ! We are talking about a paper shop !
No...we are talking about over 10 people being told they are jobless at christmas time... could they of been told "yes your lease is finished but you will be given 3 months to allow staff to be told and get another job" surley this would of been fair??? peoples lives not just a paper shop or flower shop...would you of liked your job ending put in such a simple way? just a office worker..just a hairdressers..just a postman...???????? how would you like to bring two kids up alone and have to tell them,,,"sorry boys,,no christams this year,, we have to save all the money in case mummy doesnt get work straight away".... try slipping into the lives of the staff !!!

Can people just think about what you would do and feel like to be told this at christmas of all times.To realise you have been left starting a new year out of work.especially when you really enjoy your job and will miss all the people you work with and serve.
if you can just go in to the hospital and sign the petition in support please do.just think the lady has been there 30yrs and then just thrown out like that it is disgusting.
please show your support and :help:

I dont want to appear cynical, but what Im talking about here is not a criticism towards our modern way of life and the liberal and capitalist system that is determined, that I fully support. The point that Im trying to get over here is the MORAL side of it. Morality is not an interllectualist point of view against liberlism but instead it is the ethical base of any kind of socity poppulated by human beings. I strongly believe that a public institution such as the NHS was acting immoral by giving the proprietos and thier staff just 4 weeks notice after alomost 30 years of honorable service.

I'm sorry but beg to differ. By giving these traders a lease for one year it showed that changes might be coming. "30 years of honorable service" they've not been running a charity but a business and part of that includes ensuring that they use their own business acumen to ensure their income. Business acumen in this case says wow we've only got a one year contract I'd better look after myself and see what other opportunities there are elsewhere for running a business. What I think is these traders know that they're unlikely to get the same level of business elsewhere and they should count their blessings they've had 30 good years of unchallenged competition whereas other business traders have been having to cope with competition for a long time.

Its nice to have morals but the NHS is paid for by taxpayers and we simply can't afford to keep watching other peoples backs for them.

NHS...No Humane Sensitivity
:huh:

Rubbish, NHS does not have an endless pot of money. Accusations are always being made about lack of patient care, uncleanliness, bad management. NHS is kept going by overworked, demoralised but committed staff and I as one of them am glad to see that when necessary tough decisions are being made to ensure that money can be properly and efficiently used to provide the best patient care possible and help staff get the resources needed to provide this. If its a choice of paying to subsidise small businesses or providing better treatment I know which one I shall vote for. I think we ought to set a petition up supporting the Trust in making tough decisions.

I'm sorry but beg to differ. By giving these traders a lease for one year it showed that changes might be coming. "30 years of honorable service" they've not been running a charity but a business and part of that includes ensuring that they use their own business acumen to ensure their income. Business acumen in this case says wow we've only got a one year contract I'd better look after myself and see what other opportunities there are elsewhere for running a business. What I think is these traders know that they're unlikely to get the same level of business elsewhere and they should count their blessings they've had 30 good years of unchallenged competition whereas other business traders have been having to cope with competition for a long time.

Its nice to have morals but the NHS is paid for by taxpayers and we simply can't afford to keep watching other peoples backs for them.
well ...I see you the way you are viewing it...perhaps you would like to go and get a copy of the sheffield star...?... if it were such normal thing to occur,,,then why is it in our main paper? hmmmmmmmmmm!!!!!!!!!!!

Rubbish, NHS does not have an endless pot of money. Accusations are always being made about lack of patient care, uncleanliness, bad management. NHS is kept going by overworked, demoralised but committed staff and I as one of them am glad to see that when necessary tough decisions are being made to ensure that money can be properly and efficiently used to provide the best patient care possible and help staff get the resources needed to provide this. If its a choice of paying to subsidise small businesses or providing better treatment I know which one I shall vote for. I think we ought to set a petition up supporting the Trust in making tough decisions.
well..well...the truth is finally comming out... would you be one the trust yourself??? do you really think that by shafting the shops, it allows more money for treatment? dont talk stupid. are you trying to get people who dont know about that on your side? i can see very clear now. :hihi:

well ...I see you the way you are viewing it...perhaps you would like to go and get a copy of the sheffield star...?... if it were such normal thing to occur,,,then why is it in our main paper? hmmmmmmmmmm!!!!!!!!!!!

It'll be in the Star cos it makes a nice headline. Tomorrow it'll be holding fish and chips. My family had to close their business last year also after 30 years, was it in the Star no because it was simply a sign of the times and they couldn't compete with the big boys. If they're so bothered tell the Trust they'll pay more rent equalling what the new tenants are going to pay instead of sitting back and letting the rest of us keep em going. And if you think I don't know what I'm talking about and that I've got it easy you're wrong I've had a difficult couple of years, decided to quit a very well paid job for personal reasons but had to sort things out myself instead of bleating on expecting others to support me. Petition or no petition the Trust will do what they want.

Rubbish, NHS does not have an endless pot of money.... If its a choice of paying to subsidise small businesses or providing better treatment I know which one I shall vote for...

I'm afraid I agree. Those shops were, at best, better than nothing. They sold 'old fashioned' basics - hard green apples, green or over-ripened bananas etc. Nothing that would actually gladden a patient's heart!

I'm sorry if your relatives are affected by the termination of the leases. However, if the overall well-being of the patients in the hospital is increased by the new tenants, it'll be a change worth making.

It's business. And every business person has the option of making the decision to keep on as he always has done (and suffer the consequences), or of moving with the times and serving the public in the way in which it has come to expect.

It'll be in the Star cos it makes a nice headline. Tomorrow it'll be holding fish and chips. My family had to close their business last year also after 30 years, was it in the Star no because it was simply a sign of the times and they couldn't compete with the big boys. If they're so bothered tell the Trust they'll pay more rent equalling what the new tenants are going to pay instead of sitting back and letting the rest of us keep em going. And if you think I don't know what I'm talking about and that I've got it easy you're wrong I've had a difficult couple of years, decided to quit a very well paid job for personal reasons but had to sort things out myself instead of bleating on expecting others to support me. Petition or no petition the Trust will do what they want. we have not been given the option to up the rent or any other improvments. It has been pulled from under our feet. The owner of the flower shop has managed to run well for 30 years because she knows how to run a shop in a hospital, she has made all her customers and friends at the rhh very happy. How long is a new firm going to last? its a big chain moving in on the small shops We are not told who yetr, but i know its a bigger national chain. Are you aware the same thing happened in chesterfield and rotherham hospitals? THEY NOW HAVE A BURGET KING in both places. If some chain like this came to the RHH, do you think the staff and public would support it??? I think not.

well..well...the truth is finally comming out... would you be one the trust yourself??? do you really think that by shafting the shops, it allows more money for treatment? dont talk stupid. are you trying to get people who dont know about that on your side? i can see very clear now. :hihi:

"would you be one of the trust yourself", wish I were cos I could do with the money. No I'm a secretary on a fixed term contract which ends at the end of September working in another hospital. If they don't renew my contract I might go to the Star and start a petition. Or when it gets near the end of my contract I might think of looking at other options - get my drift?:roll:

I'm afraid I agree. Those shops were, at best, better than nothing. They sold 'old fashioned' basics - hard green apples, green or over-ripened bananas etc. Nothing that would actually gladden a patient's heart!

I'm sorry if your relatives are affected by the termination of the leases. However, if the overall well-being of the patients in the hospital is increased by the new tenants, it'll be a change worth making.

It's business. And every business person has the option of making the decision to keep on as he always has done (and suffer the consequences), or of moving with the times and serving the public in the way in which it has come to expect.
ARE YOU AWARE THEY HAVE A BURGER KING IN CHESTERFIELD AND ROTHERHAM HOSPITALS? small shops will of been shunted for those units too...and do you think that the patients are enjoying their burgers?

Are you aware the same thing happened in chesterfield and rotherham hospitals? THEY NOW HAVE A BURGET KING in both places. If some chain like this came to the RHH, do you think the staff and public would support it??? I think not.


Well we support places like this in town and in Meadowhall, so :huh: yes I think both staff and public would

If only it was that simple.

With the NHS, any funds gained from other sources are not put into funding more operations etc. Hence every department struggling to spend ALL it's allotted funding before the end of the fiscal year, otherwise they lose it. They scrimp and scrape for most of the year, just in case. But, come March they start to spend spend spend.

Do you really think that the money raised from upping the rent on two shops will make anything of a big difference?

I agree, don't let them get away with it. There should be an online petition.

Angi

so what is the surplus generated from income genrating activities by NHS trusts used for ?

"would you be one of the trust yourself", wish I were cos I could do with the money. No I'm a secretary on a fixed term contract which ends at the end of September working in another hospital. If they don't renew my contract I might go to the Star and start a petition. Or when it gets near the end of my contract I might think of looking at other options - get my drift?:roll:
Well then you would be one of the lucky ones to have that info... I was told 3 days ago that I would be out of a job by new years eve, I had no idea that this was going to happen...i dont own the shop i have just spent the last 7 years working there. Funny you should say "get my drift" as my two children im bringing up alone certainly dont. Perhaps you would like to explain better to them as you seem to have a , shall we say, "direct and colder way to view things".. perhaps you can explain to them without having a lump in your throat when they offer you love hearts made from pipecleaners and want to offer pocket money they have saved. I talking to deaf ears here. forget it.

Well we support places like this in town and in Meadowhall, so :huh: yes I think both staff and public would

yes a burger king would be great in a hospital, maybe they could open a shop that sold booze and cigs too..yeah thats great. Most of the people who work there, not to mention the patients!!!, dont eat junk food. meadowhall is not like a hospital!!!

Saturday night is C2's 'Burger King Takeout Night' when patients can have a Burger King meal.

http://www.addenbrookes.org.uk/serv/wards/wardc2.html

Try here (http://www.national-lottery.co.uk) :)

Um, no Internet access up at the Hospital.

And I already have enough monthly outgoings without setting up direct debit on the Lottery site every month.

Um, no Internet access up at the Hospital.

And I already have enough monthly outgoings without setting up direct debit on the Lottery site every month.

Rich, just read the thread, and stop wingeing.


No, just, no.

They can't lose the paper shop! Now where do I get my Lottery ticket from on a Wednesday after I've finished on the radio?!
Cutbacks!

They're required services for christ sake!

Which is why, if you bother to read the thread, you'll find that the services will continue, just in different hands.

hmmm same services eh??? I wasnt aware that united news was also a full blown florists, doing wedding ,funerals and many other occasions people buy flowers for....... nor was a aware that united news sell fruit..???:loopy: SAME SERVICE?? PERHAPS YOU HAVE BEEN MISINFORMED... GOOD IDEA TO MAKE SURE YOUR FACTS ARE RIGHT :loopy:

hmmm same services eh??? I wasnt aware that united news was also a full blown florists, doing wedding ,funerals and many other occasions people buy flowers for....... nor was a aware that united news sell fruit..???:loopy: SAME SERVICE?? PERHAPS YOU HAVE BEEN MISINFORMED... GOOD IDEA TO MAKE SURE YOUR FACTS ARE RIGHT :loopy:

Think you've got shot yourself in the foot there.

If it's a 'full blown florists' then they would be able to survive in different premises outside of the hospital environment. If they're offering services that aren't benefiting the patients, but are conducting business outside of the hospital then they should be looking at alternative locations and be kicked out.

I suspect United News (if they have won the tender) will tailor their services to the market, and if the patrons and patients of the hospital want fresh fruit, then it will provided. Although the fruit I've seen on sale at the hospital wasn't exactly what I'd call fresh. I prefer New Roots(?).

Ask the Director of Finance.




so what is the surplus generated from income genrating activities by NHS trusts used for ?

hmmm same services eh??? I wasnt aware that united news was also a full blown florists, doing wedding ,funerals and many other occasions people buy flowers for....... nor was a aware that united news sell fruit..???:loopy: SAME SERVICE?? PERHAPS YOU HAVE BEEN MISINFORMED... GOOD IDEA TO MAKE SURE YOUR FACTS ARE RIGHT :loopy:

Are you referring to my post? The usual protocol is to quote the post of the person you're aiming your hysterical rant at. ;)

Assuming you are referring to my post, it being the last one before yours, I never said anywhere that it would be the 'same service'. I meant the general provision of a shop, including lottery tickets, if it's to be a newsagents' franchise. To misquote people and put words in their mouths that they never said is really bad form. My post was clearly and obviously aimed at Rich's complaint. He hadn't bothered to pay any attention to what people had been saying, and apparently, neither have you.

You really, really aren't doing your cause any favours by responding in that fashion. And I think you should think about changing your username.

Would this even make the "head lines "...if it had been closing in say..july, and not just Christmas time...

You were given 12mths notice really....And you shouldn't assume what people say to you 12mths ago, can still be held now...Unless it was written down.!

Also...if you do not own the shop, and as you have a vast amount of experience there.!
You would think that you would be top of the new owners list for a job there...bit like a tupe transfer.

jt

TUPE..(transfer of undetaking of protection of employment)

Personally, I've never been in either shop so it would be hypocritical to give an opinion either way about the businesses themselves. But surely any human being with an ounce of decency would empathise with anyone else put out of work with only a few weeks notice, and even more so at this time of year. And yes, they were told a year ago that it was a slim possibility that this would happen, but they seem to have been assured that it was very unlikely to happen and I'm sure they really believed that.
So I will be signing the petition as soon as its online.

It's the end of an era. Accept and move on.

Oh give the woman a break, she's angry because she's going to lose her job and self-righteous lectures about business management aren't exactly helpful here!

It's the end of an era. Accept and move on.

if only it were that easy when you are a parent nice to see some people caring.
the question you have to ask yourself is would it bother you if the same happened to you i doubt that you would enjoy it.
nicelady has lost her job at christmas no wonder she is angry think before you put a post on.

if only it were that easy when you are a parent nice to see some people caring.
the question you have to ask yourself is would it bother you if the same happened to you i doubt that you would enjoy it.
nicelady has lost her job at christmas no wonder she is angry think before you put a post on.

I AM a parent and I DO think before I post:confused: It's a sad fact of life that people lose their jobs and businesses close. Whilst I have sympathy for this woman , she HAS to move on and look ahead. And before you criticise my opinion again - yes, I DO know what it is like to struggle financially - at Christmas and at every other time of the year too.

I AM a parent and I DO think before I post:confused: It's a sad fact of life that people lose their jobs and businesses close. Whilst I have sympathy for this woman , she HAS to move on and look ahead. And before you criticise my opinion again - yes, I DO know what it is like to struggle financially .

yes a sad fact of life but maybe it could have been done after christmas it has ruined all the workers and families christmas now plus to just say in such a short time basically get out is not good at all.
i criticised you on your blunt post i do not doubt you have struggled hasnt everyone?
i would just say put yourself in there shoes would you not try and fight for your job that you love?
which nicelady is she is on here trying to get some support not to be criticised so everyone please just help if you can

If she wants support she shouldn't be abusive. Or am I perverse on minor points like that? You don't win people round to your way of thinking by insulting them.

If she works at a hospital she shouldn't be making :loopy: symbols at people. That's hardly the sign of someone who cares about people who are ill is it? If she has that sort of attitude in the shop then I'm glad the place is changing hands.

Personally, I've never been in either shop so it would be hypocritical to give an opinion either way about the businesses themselves. But surely any human being with an ounce of decency would empathise with anyone else put out of work with only a few weeks notice, and even more so at this time of year. And yes, they were told a year ago that it was a slim possibility that this would happen, but they seem to have been assured that it was very unlikely to happen and I'm sure they really believed that.
So I will be signing the petition as soon as its online.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT:) AND JUST FOR THE OTHERS..I WAS NOT GIVEN 12 MONTHS NOTICE, THE OWNER WAS, I FOUND OUT ON TUESDAY!!!

Oh give the woman a break, she's angry because she's going to lose her job and self-righteous lectures about business management aren't exactly helpful here!

IT SEEMS SOME POEPLE JUST WANT AN ARGUMENT!!! THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT..X

If the owner knew but you weren't told then maybe you should direct your anger towards your boss. I sympathise with your situation but everyone on SF has a right to voice their opinion and just because you do not agree with some does not mean that they are wrong.

If the owner knew but you weren't told then maybe you should direct your anger towards your boss. I sympathise with your situation but everyone on SF has a right to voice their opinion and just because you do not agree with some does not mean that they are wrong.

yes i understand that, i dont mean for it to become personal...im just amazed that "move on" bit is comming out so often. I am not looking for sympathy, just for people to stop and think if they would like the same happent to them. I except that the flower shop is no more, but in respect of the massive support we have been given from the public at the hospital, I would of thought the trust could of given us longer than 4 weeks to get out. Im sorry if im comming over in a bad way but im deeply upset and angry. Its not good for anyone to loose their job, but for me its the final blow in a long line of bad luck for myself and my 2 boys at a time that most people are buying christams gifts and relaxing for the festive period. I am a bag of stress right now, and my boys 11 and 8 will not understand like adults do. Of course this is not the problem of everyone on sf. My boss has suppported me threw thick and thin in my personal life, she has been a rock to my kids too. We are all in the same boat. I guess this is life. I have been searching for jobs like mad over the past few days ,to try and sort something out asap. Im sorry if i am taking my anger out here, i just get upset when am told "get over it" The bigger picture is not so easy.

Well then you would be one of the lucky ones to have that info... I was told 3 days ago that I would be out of a job by new years eve, I had no idea that this was going to happen...i dont own the shop i have just spent the last 7 years working there. Funny you should say "get my drift" as my two children im bringing up alone certainly dont. Perhaps you would like to explain better to them as you seem to have a , shall we say, "direct and colder way to view things".. perhaps you can explain to them without having a lump in your throat when they offer you love hearts made from pipecleaners and want to offer pocket money they have saved. I talking to deaf ears here. forget it.

If you were only told 3 days ago I can understand your anger and how upset you are but should you be angry with the hospital or your employers who could have warned you that this could happen which is what I would have done even if the hospital had given me a verbal assurance that the lease would be continued. At least then you could have made your own decision as to whether or not to look for another job but your employers have not given you any chance of that.

As to me having a direct and colder way to view things and then bringing kids into it. Believe me my kids have had to go through some hard times due to my having problems during the last couple of years. I don't intend to be cold but sometimes life deals a bad card and I'm sure you'll manage to find another job.

yes a burger king would be great in a hospital, maybe they could open a shop that sold booze and cigs too..yeah thats great. Most of the people who work there, not to mention the patients!!!, dont eat junk food. meadowhall is not like a hospital!!!

Sorry but have you seen the food served to patients in the hospitals, I have and think Burger King type food might be an improvement.

Sorry but have you seen the food served to patients in the hospitals, I have and think Burger King type food might be an improvement.

The food that the Hallamshire do is pretty good, considering they have so many people to cater for. I'm fussy over veg and they cooked them well enough for me.

If you're ever in, tick the box next to whatever the "Chef's choice" (or whatever they call it) is, as that's always good. The Ocean Pie is really good.