I all ready have a good idea to what the men out there think, but what about the ladies?

We’ve been having a discussion at work and some people think it’s sleazy and some think its okay.

Personally I think its okay for the individual who wants to work there. Their safe and protected, no problem. They make a nice bit of money as well.

If you had the guts would you work there?

Thats a good question, I probably would if I had bigger boobs lol, I'm joking I dont think I have the confidence!
I dont see any problem with it at all, there are some sleazy places like that but I think thats probably the most respected one (if you can 'respect' a strip club)

I've been to a couple of strip clubs in London - I don't have anything against them. If an individual chooses to make a living that way, go luck to her and if some people are offended by the idea then they can choose not to go.

if I was a woman and had a good body I'd do it. Its a lot of money for fairly little work.

As a man my objection is that woman take men to the cleaners in some situations. There are often drunk people 9ok, you could say it is their own fault) that are exploited by the girls to take their money off them.

Although I suppose its like any sales job.

Originally posted by robbie
....As a man my objection is that woman take men to the cleaners in some situations. There are often drunk people 9ok, you could say it is their own fault) that are exploited by the girls to take their money off them.
....

Dude, you are gonna get ZERO sympathy for that objection :D.

Nice try tho'. :thumbsup: :wink:

i'll ask my gf what she thought of it after we've been on the 14th.......

There was a girl working in my office who was on long term sick. She had been off for about 4 months, when she appeared in 'The Star' in a feature about how much money the girls could make! :clap: She was pictured smiling and wearing quite a revealing outfit!

We didn't wait for the resignation letter to come in before the termination forms were sent off to payroll :thumbsup:

K x

Originally posted by Kristian
There was a girl working in my office who was on long term sick. She had been off for about 4 months, when she appeared in 'The Star' in a feature about how much money the girls could make! :clap: She was pictured smiling and wearing quite a revealing outfit!

We didn't wait for the resignation letter to come in before the termination forms were sent off to payroll :thumbsup:

K x

Oops

It's like anything else if you don't like it don't go there if you do like it then do go.

I can't understand those women who have taken it upon themselves to set up a web site aganst the place. What has it got to do with them. Each to his/her own.

Personally I have no desire to go there but I have no problem with other people doing so.

The question is are the men that go there sleazy not the place?
why do men have such fascination with it?

Originally posted by bubbly
The question is are the men that go there sleazy not the place?
why do men have such fascination with it?

Attraction between the sexes is a natural thing and is very ingrained in the human mind. I suspect that is why some men choose to go there.

As I said before it is not my cup of tea but on a scale of 'sleaziness' it is pretty far down compared to say drugs for example.

I also wonder if a spot of ageism/lookism is at play here. Would those people who object to it object to young good looking men having relationships with young good looking girls. Perhaps it is the idea that the girls there would normally be out of the men's league that bothers them. I may be wrong, it would be interesting to hear what others think about this point.

Originally posted by bubbly
The question is are the men that go there sleazy not the place?
why do men have such fascination with it?

Not quite sure what your first question was asking. Are you asking if the men that visit spearmint rhino sleazy?

The second question; people are driven by their sex drive whether we like it or not. It's probably the strongest instinct that we have after survival and self preservation.

Surely it's better to let people find release in a controlled environment.

If people want to pay for that, why stop them?

I really liked Rhino when I went. I thought the ladies there were particularly nice, in a completely different league to other strip clubs I've been to. Nice place, nice people, lovely bums and tits, if it offends you then there is no need to go

I went a while back.

To be honest I loved it.. I got to look at women dancing for me because they are that desperate for my money. Found the whole thing very funny! Although as a woman I couldn't help but think that the strippers really should try and develop some self-respect. How can you respect yourself when you take your clothes off for other people's money? Surely that is the lowest of the low?

If people want to throw money at you for taking your clothes off, surely it's the customer who is lower. Personally, I would feel very uncomfortable at a strip club, which is why I don't go. If anything, if I was paying for some to strip I'd definitely feel like the one who's being used.

Originally posted by Andy78
If people want to throw money at you for taking your clothes off, surely it's the customer who is lower. Personally, I would feel very uncomfortable at a strip club, which is why I don't go. If anything, if I was paying for some to strip I'd definitely feel like the one who's being used.


That's akin to saying that by paying a servent, you're the one being used, not the servent.

In reality, this isn't true. Strippers are essentially servents to the sexual desires of men with the power (money).

Originally posted by slimsid2000
Perhaps it is the idea that the girls there would normally be out of the men's league that bothers them.

Interesting point - perhaps some people go there because it's they only way a lady will ever get her kit off and shake her booty for them.

Originally posted by t020
That's akin to saying that by paying a servent, you're the one being used, not the servent.

In reality, this isn't true. Strippers are essentially servents to the sexual desires of men with the power (money).

I'm not saying that I'm right, that's just the way I would feel personally. Then again, I'm a bit odd like that.

Originally posted by Lucy_Smith
How can you respect yourself when you take your clothes off for other people's money? Surely that is the lowest of the low?

Sounds like a bloody easy job to me.

Originally posted by t020
That's akin to saying that by paying a servent, you're the one being used, not the servent.

In reality, this isn't true. Strippers are essentially servents to the sexual desires of men with the power (money).

Exactly! That's the way I see it. Although not just serving the sexual desires of men!

I went with my boyfriend by the way. He of course thought he was in heaven. I was suprised how many couples were there actually, thought I'd be the only woman in there! (Apart from the servants of course...ha ha ha)

Well my woman certainly doesn't agree with it when she found I had visited that place. It's ok but let me tell you, I'll never go there again!

I copped it right!:help:

Originally posted by t020
That's akin to saying that by paying a servent, you're the one being used, not the servent.

In reality, this isn't true. Strippers are essentially servents to the sexual desires of men with the power (money).

it's a pretty normal give and take transaction. A mechanic services your car because you give him money, does that make him lower or you lower?

I really don't see why either the stripper or the person watching must be 'low', maybe you label them that way to dehumanise it a little bit.

I've been once, didn't have any private dances', just a few drinks whilst watching the dancer in the public area.

So what do you think of men stripping?

I just personally think that woman should believe that they can do better than taking their clothes off for money. I think women should believe in themselves enough to go out and get a job for which they are respected. I know when I visited Spearmint Rhino I couldn't help but feel disrespect for the girls... it was like "take my money and do what you are told". I could never work a job like that.

Originally posted by bubbly
The question is are the men that go there sleazy not the place?
why do men have such fascination with it?

Very interesting post from you Bubbly.

When my local club has male stripper nights they are packed out with women. I think women like to see well formed bodies of the opposite sex for the same reason as us blokes do. :d

Originally posted by Cyclone
it's a pretty normal give and take transaction. A mechanic services your car because you give him money, does that make him lower or you lower?

I really don't see why either the stripper or the person watching must be 'low', maybe you label them that way to dehumanise it a little bit.

I've been once, didn't have any private dances', just a few drinks whilst watching the dancer in the public area.

A mechanic doesn't strip off their clothes for money, they fix cars. There's a vast difference, but yes, in a way he is the "lower" party in the transaction since he is effectively your employee while he is working on your car.

Originally posted by t020
A mechanic doesn't strip off their clothes for money

Life is full of dissapointments.

Originally posted by nick2
Life is full of dissapointments.

Wow, I realised as soon as I wrote that that I'd get some kind of cheeky comeback - I never expected it within a minute of posting though!

Originally posted by t020
Wow, I realised as soon as I wrote that that I'd get some kind of cheeky comeback - I never expected it within a minute of posting though!

I just happened to be passing.

i don't see the distinction. Are you saying that because they are paid to allow people to look at them they are 'low', what does being 'low' mean, immoral or dirty or something else.

They have an asset they are using it to make money. In much the same way the mechanic has an asset (a facility with and knowledge of how to repair cars), I have an asset (the ability to program in Java). There asset is a good example of a human body, which other people will pay them money to look at.
If the whole issue of sexuality weren't slightly repressed and hidden by our hangover victorian values I doubt the issue of whether it was low would have come up.

Originally posted by Cyclone
i don't see the distinction. Are you saying that because they are paid to allow people to look at them they are 'low', what does being 'low' mean, immoral or dirty or something else.

They have an asset they are using it to make money. In much the same way the mechanic has an asset (a facility with and knowledge of how to repair cars), I have an asset (the ability to program in Java). There asset is a good example of a human body, which other people will pay them money to look at.
If the whole issue of sexuality weren't slightly repressed and hidden by our hangover victorian values I doubt the issue of whether it was low would have come up.


Taking clothes off for money is low in my opinion, and you won't change that opinion either.

Surely woman have more assets than their bodies? My sexuality is not repressed but I do believe that the majority of women could do better for themselves. Like for example, getting qualified in something and building a career.

Imagine if somebody suggested the only asset a man had was his body. Would that bother you?

Originally posted by Lucy_Smith
Imagine if somebody suggested the only asset a man had was his body. Would that bother you?

If he was a male model I imagine he would be quite pleased.

I don't think anyone is suggesting a womans only asset is her body, we are saying it's an asset you should use if you want to.

Maybe for about a year when he was the "in" face. But what would he have when his looks faded?

These women that strip make no long term investment for the future, that's for sure.

Originally posted by Lucy_Smith
Maybe for about a year when he was the "in" face. But what would he have when his looks faded?

These women that strip make no long term investment for the future, that's for sure.

A friend of mine worked at spearmint. She needed money quickly and got it as people will happily pay a lot of money for something very simple. She is now building a very successful career in other ways. Funnily enough, people who strip sometimes have other abilities too!

If people will give that much money away for very little, I think it's quite aceptable for someone else to take that money. For example, if someone said to you 'I'll give you £1000 for walking my dog in the park' surely you'd consider it.

My friend works there, she always offers us vip passes! never been yet though

If these women have these abilities then why strip in the first place? Maybe it's just me but I would never have any respect for somebody who had worked in a strip club. I don't dislike stippers or anything, but I do see them as lower than me, because I am managing to achieve something as a woman without using my looks or my body. I know I have achieved what I have through being good at my job and I think that is more respectable than achieving something using my looks. It's just my personal opinion, and like I've said, I don't have anything against these women. That's just how I feel.

Originally posted by Lucy_Smith
If these women have these abilities then why strip in the first place? Maybe it's just me but I would never have any respect for somebody who had worked in a strip club. I don't dislike stippers or anything, but I do see them as lower than me, because I am managing to achieve something as a woman without using my looks or my body. I know I have achieved what I have through being good at my job and I think that is more respectable than achieving something using my looks. It's just my personal opinion, and like I've said, I don't have anything against these women. That's just how I feel.

Well you do obviously have something against these women as you look down on them!

In my friends case it was a short term answer to her financial troubles. She was a student at the time and it paid her a lot more than working in a bar would do. You can't just pop out and get a managerial position that pays well while you're in the middle of a degree. She got through her a degree and is now making a success of herself. I have every ounce of respect for what's she's done and how she's done it.

I don't dislike them as people...I'm sure they are lovely girls.

But, with that being said I think the whole "student debt" thing is an absolute lame excuse. I'm a student and have a steadily rising debt. But, instead of taking my clothes off when I graduate, I am going to live in a dingy flat, eat cheap food and work as hard as I can to pay off my debt. I consider that more respectable. But, again, just my personal opinion.

Originally posted by Lucy_Smith
If these women have these abilities then why strip in the first place? Maybe it's just me but I would never have any respect for somebody who had worked in a strip club. I don't dislike stippers or anything, but I do see them as lower than me, because I am managing to achieve something as a woman without using my looks or my body. I know I have achieved what I have through being good at my job and I think that is more respectable than achieving something using my looks. It's just my personal opinion, and like I've said, I don't have anything against these women. That's just how I feel.

it's probably a good job that they aren't after your respect then.

Your attitude strikes me as rather parochial. Just because you wouldn't choose to do something (assuming you could) you look down on those who do do it.

I expect a man would be quite happy to be told that his looks and body were an asset he could sell if he wished.

Can you explain what it is about stripping that makes you feel better than the strippers?

T020 - wouldn't expect you to change your opinion, I don't believe I've seen it happen over any other issue, I won't expect to see it happen before hell freezes over.

And by the way, I hold down a very respectable job while I study, and when I graduate am likely to have a great career ahead of me. So, yes, you can begin your career while you study, even if you volunteer, it's all about building a name for yourself. Have to go now so will leave the debating to somebody else ;-)

Originally posted by Lucy_Smith
Surely woman have more assets than their bodies? My sexuality is not repressed but I do believe that the majority of women could do better for themselves. Like for example, getting qualified in something and building a career.

Imagine if somebody suggested the only asset a man had was his body. Would that bother you?

But a career or qualifications isn't everyone's bag. We can't all have careers because, to be blunt about it, who would empty the bins, or sweep the streets...?

However, that said, I'm in favour of places like Spearmint Rhino. I think for a stag night, they're a great attraction, but I find the thought of "regulars" at places like that disturbing.

I think that the difference between male and female strippers is that men watch strippers out of sexual desire. Whereas women go for a laugh... I know I find nothing desirable about a strange man dancing around with his crown jewels hanging out. Sorry fellas, but who can? Its hilarious.

You've got to love the man, love the p*n*s. :D

I feel I am better than the strippers because I work a lot harder but in the long run I will be the one better off.

Really do have to go now :-)

Oh yeah... Anyone remember the Dog & Partridge at Attercliffe (where Goodfellas is now), I'm sure that for many years, they used to advertise outside...

"Two girls for £2.50..."

Even at a 50-50 split, one of them only has a best price of £1.25, now that is degrading...

Originally posted by Lucy_Smith
And by the way, I hold down a very respectable job while I study, and when I graduate am likely to have a great career ahead of me. So, yes, you can begin your career while you study, even if you volunteer, it's all about building a name for yourself. Have to go now so will leave the debating to somebody else ;-)

Well done to you!

Student debt wasn't the issue and I won't go into what was. I will say the debt wasn't self inflicted. She also worked on other projects at uni in a voluntary capacity. One of the hardest working people that I've met. I have more respect for her than you, because she has an open mind and does not judge everyone by her own opinions and beliefs.

You don't know the story behind other people. I think you should swallow your narcissistic obsession with your own self worth. It's arrogant and quite off putting.

Originally posted by Lucy_Smith
I feel I am better than the strippers because I work a lot harder but in the long run I will be the one better off.

Really do have to go now :-)

now I could be wrong (being no expert) but you may well be speaking from a position of ignorance, as I expect strippers (or at least good ones) also have to work hard.
They have to stay fit and in trim, work on routines, build a name for themselves and everything else that goes with being sucessful.
I guess you look down on everybody who doesn't go to university and have a career afterwards then, which is probably over 2 3rds of working adults. Must be lonely up on your pedestal.

I'm not a fan of its location 'near student areas and union/uni' nor of its clientele. I feel its the seedier side of Sheffield.

Originally posted by Lucy_Smith
So what do you think of men stripping?

it was like "take my money and do what you are told". I could never work a job like that.

I think that principle applies in all jobs. As for men stripping (presumably for womens' pleasure) I see it exactly the same. It is a matter of personal choice and not really anyone elses business.

My dad says a lad shouldn't be seen with a tent pole in his trousers. :thumbsup:

Lucy Smith ; how can you say "These women that strip make no long term investment for the future" , or " that you will be better off than them in the future " how do you know this !

is it because you go to/went to university and that all strippers/dancers have no brains ,

If these women have these abilities then why strip in the first place? MAYBE THEY ENJOY IT

Originally posted by niko007
Lucy Smith ; how can you say "These women that strip make no long term investment for the future" , or " that you will be better off than them in the future " how do you know this !

is it because you go to/went to university and that all strippers/dancers have no brains ,

If these women have these abilities then why strip in the first place? MAYBE THEY ENJOY IT

Actualy - to back that up I know for a fact that Spearmint Rhino has had University students on its rosta of dancers and probably still has.

Originally posted by kilauea
Actualy - to back that up I know for a fact that Spearmint Rhino has had University students on its rosta of dancers and probably still has.

See my previous post regarding my friend that worked there. Graduate of Sheff Uni (Student at the time).

Right, who's first to give us a decent detailed account of a typical night at one of these joints..? Hmmmm?!

Originally posted by Aaarrrggghhh
Right, who's first to give us a decent detailed account of a typical night at one of these joints..? Hmmmm?!

What are you on about?

Originally posted by Andy78
What are you on about?

yeah know what u mean...

Originally posted by Aaarrrggghhh
yeah know what u mean...

nice one!

Originally posted by Aaarrrggghhh
Right, who's first to give us a decent detailed account of a typical night at one of these joints..? Hmmmm?!

it's like a club, with sofa's and a raised stage opposite the bar. There is always 1 dancer using the stage and pole, and people sat around talking, watching and drinking.

Girls walk around the room asking guys if they want a dance. If they do they head of to the private rooms at the back, where I presume you sit and watch while they strip.

Is that what you were expecting?

Ok the suns up lets talk about institutionalised adult titilation for a change..

I spose I meant a personal detailed account....?

Look people, I have never said what I am saying is the actual truth of the matter. It is MY OPINION!!!

I don't have a problem with women stripping...I quite enjoyed it. I just believe that some women could do better for themselves. I also think the excuse of student debt is pathetic, there are, IN MY OPINION, ways of paying off your student debt that I respect more, like working hard for example.

Forgive me please oh all riteous members of an internet forum for having this opinion. I don't know how I sleep at night

It's not something I agree with at all, but surely any woman is going to leap at the chance of earning £1000+ a week?

I don't have the confidence or the body, but if I did, I'd consider it. It's money for old rope at the end of the day and the girls are laughing because they're not allowed to be touched.

Who's to say what they're doing with that £1k? They might be investing - that's up to them. Just think about it though, 2 years working at Spearmint Rhino, could set you up for life.

Originally posted by Lucy_Smith
Look people, I have never said what I am saying is the actual truth of the matter. It is MY OPINION!!!

I don't have a problem with women stripping...I quite enjoyed it. I just believe that some women could do better for themselves. I also think the excuse of student debt is pathetic, there are, IN MY OPINION, ways of paying off your student debt that I respect more, like working hard for example.

Forgive me please oh all riteous members of an internet forum for having this opinion. I don't know how I sleep at night

You see an opinion is fine, but if you start accusing people of being pathetic, then you're going to rub someone up the wrong way. If you just stop judging people by facts that you do not know, then we'll all be fine.

And I don't know where you got this idea about people not working hard. how do you know they dont?

and to add to what Andy just said, surely you are the one being righteous?

I'm not judging people. Listen again...I am saying I BELIEVE these people are below me. I'm saying I BELIEVE the excuse (not the actual people) is pathetic. YOU BELIEVE that begging for men's money is something that should be respected. Ok, up to you.

MovingOn - Yep, they are making a great deal of money. But I don't envy them whatsoever because of the way that they have earnt it. I would much rather earn a quarter of what they earn and have self-respect and self-dignity.

im just curious, can they only work 3 weeks a month?

Originally posted by Lucy_Smith
I'm not judging people. Listen again...I am saying I BELIEVE these people are below me. I'm saying I BELIEVE the excuse (not the actual people) is pathetic. YOU BELIEVE that begging for men's money is something that should be respected. Ok, up to you.

MovingOn - Yep, they are making a great deal of money. But I don't envy them whatsoever because of the way that they have earnt it. I would much rather earn a quarter of what they earn and have self-respect and self-dignity.

I believe that you are judging people based on very little information. I believe that people can have self respect outside of your own definition of the word. I believe that people can have respect in themselves when they respect other people. Something that you quite clearly do not.

This is just my opinion, of course.