There are many Kickboxing clubs in and around Sheffield claiming this that and the other. We all do it to attract our new students etc.
One I know of is advertising and I know that the instructors are not classed as qualified instructors.
Now, I have been qualified through my national association and taken several courses etc. My experience through out the years, tournaments attended and high ranking masters that I network with has put me in good stead.
What are your qualification needed etc to be able to call yourself an 'INSTRUCTOR/COACH'?
I am not saying that everyone on here are not qualified by any means, I just was wondering what your club/association requires of you etc.

I spent a few months looking for a class to train eventually found one i did train at a few and was keen to know the instructors qualifications but found it a little intimidating when trying to ask, Karate, Kungfu, tae kwon do, Ju Jitsu, BJJ, judo instructors are easily checked out as they have completed a syllabus for their discipline (i.e. they need the knowledge in kata, poms, ect) to become black belts, but what about an instructor in Kickboxing do they have grades and belts from an instructor or association ?? or are we back to the weeked warrior qualification.
Nice one Master J

Hi, I am an instructor/ assessor for the Self Defence Federation. In terms of qualifications to teach or call myself an instructor I hold all seven of the SDF training diplomas and have been personally taught and assesed by Dave Turton 8th dan and SDF head.
I am Insured and CRB checked. I also hold a 1st dan in Wado Ryu karate, Intermediate Level 2 in Muay Thai and minor qualifications in Wing Chun,Judo and Kickboxing.
I currently train under Paul Timmins and Mick Mullaney at the Wicker Camp, Mark Hayes at Sheffield Martial Arts Center and have regular training sessions with Dave Turton.
All my certificates and licences are available for inspection at any time.

There are many Kickboxing clubs in and around Sheffield claiming this that and the other. We all do it to attract our new students etc.
One I know of is advertising and I know that the instructors are not classed as qualified instructors.
Now, I have been qualified through my national association and taken several courses etc. My experience through out the years, tournaments attended and high ranking masters that I network with has put me in good stead.
What are your qualification needed etc to be able to call yourself an 'INSTRUCTOR/COACH'?
I am not saying that everyone on here are not qualified by any means, I just was wondering what your club/association requires of you etc.

Which kickboxing club is advertising "master J" it would be interesting to know.
Also to my knowledge a lot of the people who advertise under the "kickboxing" banner are really from Karate/Kung Fu or Taekwondo.
Now no problem if you have left the original style behind or even teach it as a separate entity as well as teaching Proper kickboxing.
But when a club use the name "kickboxing" then they really should be involved with kickboxing as a sport as well as the self defense and fitness aspects. Master J , which kickboxing circuit are you or rather have you and your students been involved with?
I have never seen or heard of any of your students ever competing in kickboxing , you mention "tournaments". But im talking about proper kickboxing shows , even "small hall " shows at an amateur level.
Kickboxing is more about the sport than about any of these "high ranked masters". Are any of these high ranked masters Don "The Dragon " Wilson or Jean Claude Van Damme by any chance?

Proper shows you say!!!!!!! Hmm, Chefkicker, me thinks I may have hit a nerve some where. Well here goes. (breathes) I have already explained to you about my credentials in an earlier thread. My qualifications have been awarded to me by true masters in various MA's. Who gave yours? Your self? I have represented my country numerous times in full contact TKD. British Champion and undefeated too! No gloves, very thin pads, shins of stell as they said. The great 'Arthur Loughlan' saw me win it as a ...wait for it....A WHITE BELT. The rest followed. But enough of my egotistical banter, I know to leave that for you!
Master Davies(Martial artitst of the year 2006) Grand Master Liversidge, Grand Master Siddall. Hmmmm Again you won't recognise the names as you do not recognise any other martial art out side your 'ghetto' gym.(Sorry I just had to mention the reply you got in an earlier thread)
If your tiny simple, narrow mind you thought that this thread was aimed at you, do not flatter your self. It wasn't.
You again continue to totally disrespect others on here as though this forum is soley for you. I can more than match your personal trophy cabinet if that is what excites you.
Once again, I teach KOREAN KICKBOXING. Look it up. Google it. Learn that there is other MA's out there. My KKB has a grading syllabus. Fully recognised by a 'national' association. Recognised by Grand Masters. The very same Grand Masters that have invited me to take my next Dan grade, my 6th Dan. ( We have to wait to be invited to have the honour of going for your next grade, not just award it your self! I have waited and learned and widened my knowledge for 6 years for this next grade.) Time served, fully qualified and internationally recognised. How about you?
You do a different MA to me. Yep there I go, recognising your 'art'. How about you don't use this forum just to promote your 'shows' but as to post threads that people can actually have a useful opinion on?
Hmmm then may be your 'ghetto' gym needs it.
Do not ever disrespect me again on here. Tell it to me personally.
This not by any means a threat, just someone who is sick to the back teeth of your negative postings and tirades of insults to other MA's.

Hi Chefkicker, I understand your passion for Kickboxing,
just one thing about your last post, how can you put Don "The Dragon" Wilson in the same category as Jean Claude Van Dame, thats the way it comes across in your comment,
I know he makes films,some people like them some don’t
but at least he was a “kickboxer”.

I think I didn`t read the thread properly when I posted my list of qualifications to teach or to be an instructor, so I appolgise If it sounded like I was blowing my own "horn" so to speak.

I found when i was looking for somewhere to train that the "qualifcations" of the instructor didn`t really matter, what did matter was, could I learn from them,could I respect them (and did I feel they treated me with respect) and could I afford to train there.
Titles or numbers of dan tags can easily be made up or exaggerated (NO, I AM NOT ACCUSING ANYBODY ON HERE OF DECEPTION !!!!!!) the hard part is living up to them.

The OP is asking a perfectly reasonable question, as far as I can see. Several posts have been deleted, please keep it on topic and pleasant. Thank you.

It's good that you are able to list your qualifications Uncle Junior i dont think any one can accuse you of blowing your own trumpet,its good to see what youve doneand the same for master J, but the annoying thing would be if i was to give my hard earned cash to some one who claimed to be something there not i.e the qualified coach or instructor.

Playing devils advocate though, my old Wing Chun instructor (4th degree black sash) has recently split with his instructor. He now teaches several different types of martial art combined in with the Wing Chun. It is now not Wing Chun so his 4th degree title does not apply but what he is teaching is valid and appropriate.
How does he advertise his skills and get recognition for his "new" style ?
Master J is obviously very well qualified in Korean Martial arts and has CV longer then my arm. Kickboxing is harder to quantify as Chefkicker rightly points out a lot of people from TKD and Karate backgrounds claim to teach "Kickboxing". Also there are more kickboxing governing bodies than you can shake a stick at.
I have not trained with Chefkicker but have no doubt he is a legitimate coach who is passionate about his martial art.
From my time on the forum I would say he rather has the habit of causing "healthy debate" though.;)

Playing devils advocate though, my old Wing Chun instructor (4th degree black sash) has recently split with his instructor. He now teaches several different types of martial art combined in with the Wing Chun. It is now not Wing Chun so his 4th degree title does not apply but what he is teaching is valid and appropriate.
How does he advertise his skills and get recognition for his "new" style ?
Master J is obviously very well qualified in Korean Martial arts and has CV longer then my arm. Kickboxing is harder to quantify as Chefkicker rightly points out a lot of people from TKD and Karate backgrounds claim to teach "Kickboxing". Also there are more kickboxing governing bodies than you can shake a stick at.
I have not trained with Chefkicker but have no doubt he is a legitimate coach who is passionate about his martial art.
From my time on the forum I would say he rather has the habit of causing "healthy debate" though.;)

LOL thank you Uncle Junior. Yes you are right although Master J clearly has his credentials in "korean martial arts" he has not mentioned much to do with actual kickboxing.
Korean martial arts and kickboxing are two totally different things.
Karate is good for what it is, Taekwondo is good for what it is.
Kickboxing is kick-BOXING not just Karate/TKD minus the kata/forms/patterns. It needs to have its separate entity without confusing people like superstar1.
Kickboxing from my perspective is all about the ring sport.
Kickboxing is all centred around 2 guys wearing boxing gloves in the boxing ring punching and kicking each other to the head and body (sometimes the legs too).
Now there will be variations, e.g. Savate, Muay thai, Low kick kickboxing, K-1 kickboxing, Full contact , Light continuous ,...etc.

Now the local clubs i have seen that have something to do with the kickboxing scene at present are:

AFK= Light continuous/Full contact/Low kick/K-1/ Thaiboxing (modified rules )

Wicker Camp =Full muay thai rules only!!! Although the legend Daniel Hudson once fought on a K-1 sanctioned event.

SDF= K-1 style and one fought Low kick kickboxing

Lau Gar= Light continuous mainly and a few fight Full contact.

Black Dragons = Light continuous/Full contact mainly although Lewys Stokes once fought Low kick against Naz Khan and Richard Mayo did K-1 style against a Welsh thaiboxer.

KTBF = Light continuous mainly.

Marsdens = Another Light continuous based club (and they are good at the light contact) and one of their guys once did a Full Contact bout against Hamza Jet Li Majeid.

Andy Marlow's gym= Thaiboxing/K-1/Low kick/Full Contact (They wont do light at all!!! The less protection the better in andys mindset.)

Paul Oxtaby has talked about getting people on shortly and he was not a bad kickboxer himself i have heard.

Phil Glover (rotherham i believe) = REAL LEGEND , his guys fight Full contact/Low kick and Thaiboxing!

If i have omitted anyone im sorry!

Hi Chefkicker, I understand your passion for Kickboxing,
just one thing about your last post, how can you put Don "The Dragon" Wilson in the same category as Jean Claude Van Dame, thats the way it comes across in your comment,
I know he makes films,some people like them some don’t
but at least he was a “kickboxer”.

Hi mark
Only having a laugh, Don wilson fought for umpteen world titles!
Van damme fought a handful of fights i am lead to believe but was more an actor than a fighter.

There are many Kickboxing clubs in and around Sheffield claiming this that and the other. We all do it to attract our new students etc.
One I know of is advertising and I know that the instructors are not classed as qualified instructors.
Now, I have been qualified through my national association and taken several courses etc. My experience through out the years, tournaments attended and high ranking masters that I network with has put me in good stead.
What are your qualification needed etc to be able to call yourself an 'INSTRUCTOR/COACH'?
I am not saying that everyone on here are not qualified by any means, I just was wondering what your club/association requires of you etc.


isn't this what this thread is about???

LOL thank you Uncle Junior. Yes you are right although Master J clearly has his credentials in "korean martial arts" he has not mentioned much to do with actual kickboxing.
Korean martial arts and kickboxing are two totally different things.
Karate is good for what it is, Taekwondo is good for what it is.
Kickboxing is kick-BOXING not just Karate/TKD minus the kata/forms/patterns. It needs to have its separate entity without confusing people like superstar1.
Kickboxing from my perspective is all about the ring sport.
Kickboxing is all centred around 2 guys wearing boxing gloves in the boxing ring punching and kicking each other to the head and body (sometimes the legs too).
Now there will be variations, e.g. Savate, Muay thai, Low kick kickboxing, K-1 kickboxing, Full contact , Light continuous ,...etc.
Again Chefkicker has totally missed the point of the thread. Firstly look to the origins of Kickboxing. I think you will find that it stems from United States of America. Formed from freestyle Karate without the use of boxing rings. It then was transfered to the 'rings' as exhibitions bouts inbetween boxing fights. At some point in its form of what ever kind, kickboxing is American Kickboxing. Here goes with big capital letters:
I PROFESSINALLY TEACH AND COACH KOREAN KICKBOXING.
It's a different MA to yours. No really it is! Unbelieveable but true!
2 minute round of Hand techniques, 2 mins round of feet techniques and 2 mins round of mixed hand and foot techniques. True skills of martial arts. That's what all martial artists are taught, in what ever way or form, hand and foot techniques!

(I absolutely hate what I am about to type. I do not like mentioning what I have won etc. Sometimes I have to do it, so here goes.) I have in my living room a samuria sword presented to me for 'winning' yes thats 'winning' the heavy weight 'Midland Open' WAKO 2006. Held in Dudley Nr Birmingham at the Brierely Sports Centre. Hosted by Del Sampson. (quickly look him up on the WAKO web site. I can wait........)That was the last tournament I entered. At 38 yrs old now, I have won a tournament that I was very proud of. I have nothing to prove to my self. I know who I am and what I can do. As for my students, they will be ready when I think they are, not when they think they are. They trust my judgement.
Is MA's all about ring fighting? Is kickboxing all about ring fighting? What would you do if one of your students didn't want to fight in the ring but just wanted to train and keep fit? Surely you would stop him from training because you only see it as a'ring' sport and they should be able to step into it?
(I can't believe I am now trying to prove to you that I deserve some kind of repect from you, am I that desperate? Have I sank that low. No I haven't. I know what and where I come from in MA terms)
Initially this was a fact finding thread, and again you have missed the point. It was not aimed at you personally, but you made it your mission to take it on without ever answering the question.You didn't have to answer the thread but you just couldn't help yourself could you?
So go and answer the question, I have had several pm's saying that you would not and could not answer it. Prove them wrong, not me, I have never questioned your 'qualifications or criteria', I accept other MA's.

[QUOTE=chefkicker;2871961]LOL thank you Uncle Junior. Yes you are right although Master J clearly has his credentials in "korean martial arts" he has not mentioned much to do with actual kickboxing.
Korean martial arts and kickboxing are two totally different things.
Karate is good for what it is, Taekwondo is good for what it is.
Kickboxing is kick-BOXING not just Karate/TKD minus the kata/forms/patterns. It needs to have its separate entity without confusing people like superstar1.
Kickboxing from my perspective is all about the ring sport.
Kickboxing is all centred around 2 guys wearing boxing gloves in the boxing ring punching and kicking each other to the head and body (sometimes the legs too).
Now there will be variations, e.g. Savate, Muay thai, Low kick kickboxing, K-1 kickboxing, Full contact , Light continuous ,...etc.

Again Chefkicker has totally missed the point of the thread. Firstly look to the origins of Kickboxing. I think you will find that it stems from United States of America. Formed from freestyle Karate without the use of boxing rings. It then was transfered to the 'rings' as exhibitions bouts inbetween boxing fights. At some point in its form of what ever kind, kickboxing is American Kickboxing. Here goes with big capital letters:
I PROFESSINALLY TEACH AND COACH KOREAN KICKBOXING.
It's a different MA to yours. No really it is! Unbelieveable but true!
2 minute round of Hand techniques, 2 mins round of feet techniques and 2 mins round of mixed hand and foot techniques. True skills of martial arts. That's what all martial artists are taught, in what ever way or form, hand and foot techniques!

(I absolutely hate what I am about to type. I do not like mentioning what I have won etc. Sometimes I have to do it, so here goes.) I have in my living room a samuria sword presented to me for 'winning' yes thats 'winning' the heavy weight 'Midland Open' WAKO 2006. Held in Dudley Nr Birmingham at the Brierely Sports Centre. Hosted by Del Sampson. (quickly look him up on the WAKO web site. I can wait........)That was the last tournament I entered. At 38 yrs old now, I have won a tournament that I was very proud of. I have nothing to prove to my self. I know who I am and what I can do. As for my students, they will be ready when I think they are, not when they think they are. They trust my judgement.
Is MA's all about ring fighting? Is kickboxing all about ring fighting? What would you do if one of your students didn't want to fight in the ring but just wanted to train and keep fit? Surely you would stop him from training because you only see it as a'ring' sport and they should be able to step into it?
(I can't believe I am now trying to prove to you that I deserve some kind of repect from you, am I that desperate? Have I sank that low. No I haven't. I know what and where I come from in MA terms)
Initially this was a fact finding thread, and again you have missed the point. It was not aimed at you personally, but you made it your mission to take it on without ever answering the question.You didn't have to answer the thread but you just couldn't help yourself could you?
So go and answer the question, I have had several pm's saying that you would not and could not answer it. Prove them wrong, not me, I have never questioned your 'qualifications or criteria', I accept other MA's.

What a long post took me ages to read it :gag:

I personally hate blowing my own trumpet but for all it matters here goes.
Im a 3rd Dan in Kickboxing under the ISKA now that under PAul Henessey. Paul Henessey pretty much runs the sport in this country and has the SOLE rights for the K-1 franchise in the UK.
I have also won 3 title belts under Low kick kickboxing rules (not american kickboxing, sorry). My classes both at the sidney street gym and at my university AND my classes in schools are all insured under the Ring contact sports union which works hand in hand with the UK rep for ISKA. I am also a qualified instructor and grading examiner for this association.
I personally dont call anything kickboxing unless its one of the ring sport varieties. I dont care how much you shout ,scream or make threats.
My opinion stands.
Everyone is entitled to my opinion. :D

AN IDEA !
How about having a sticky tread in this section, where martial arts instructors could list their qualifications, CRB details, governing body and insurance details.
Not to list fight records or trophys won but a factual record of grades held, excetera.
It could be almost a Sheffield Martial Arts forum kite mark or seal of approval.;)
For one it would keep the GKR black and white belted "instructors" away.
I thought this was along the lines of your original idea Master J, which is why I posted my details. What do people think ?

Everyone is entitled to my opinion. :D

Like that Farhad - I might use it in one of my classes! :hihi:

AN IDEA !
And a good one at that.

Though perhaps rather than a thread a list in 1 post that is maintained?

Would need a volunteer to keep it uptodate as people submit/change their details.

AN IDEA !
How about having a sticky tread in this section, where martial arts instructors could list their qualifications, CRB details, governing body and insurance details.
Not to list fight records or trophys won but a factual record of grades held, excetera.
It could be almost a Sheffield Martial Arts forum kite mark or seal of approval.;)
For one it would keep the GKR black and white belted "instructors" away.
I thought this was along the lines of your original idea Master J, which is why I posted my details. What do people think ?

I was going to suggest the same. That way, instead of searching through loads of topics full of arguments (and maybe put them off), people looking for new instructors etc can do it in one place. Perhaps allow one post per interested party to keep it simple,and let them edit it to there hearts content.

AN IDEA !
How about having a sticky tread in this section, where martial arts instructors could list their qualifications, CRB details, governing body and insurance details.
Not to list fight records or trophys won but a factual record of grades held, excetera.
It could be almost a Sheffield Martial Arts forum kite mark or seal of approval.;)
For one it would keep the GKR black and white belted "instructors" away.
I thought this was along the lines of your original idea Master J, which is why I posted my details. What do people think ?

Whats this about GKR Black and White belts? :confused:
I for one am a GKR 17th DAN!!!
:hihi:

If people were happy, I would offer to look after the list or try and get the mods involved.
I would see it as a list,qualifications as mentioned, BRIEF summary of club. NO debate or comments. Policed by EVERY instructor on the list.
It would hopefully stop a lot of bickering and definately stop the countless " can anybody suggest a karate club threads ?"

If people were happy, I would offer to look after the list or try and get the mods involved.
I would see it as a list,qualifications as mentioned, BRIEF summary of club. NO debate or comments. Policed by EVERY instructor on the list.
It would hopefully stop a lot of bickering and definately stop the countless " can anybody suggest a karate club threads ?"

Sounds like a great idea matey!
P.S are you one of Paul power's crew? They are SDF arent they?

Go for it Junior, make a post and ask folks to pm you with their relevant expirience. You can then edit your original post to include details as you get them.

Go for it Junior, make a post and ask folks to pm you with their relevant expirience. You can then edit your original post to include details as you get them.

I agree , do you think that my 17th dan in GKR is worth mentioning?
:confused:

I agree , do you think that my 17th dan in GKR is worth mentioning?
:confused:

Absolutely. You must have worked hard deciding where to get your flyers printed and your lovely shiney kits made (hand on...you kick boxing guys *do* put some effort into your shorts dont you?! ;) )

Absolutely. You must have worked hard deciding where to get your flyers printed and your lovely shiney kits made (hand on...you kick boxing guys *do* put some effort into your shorts dont you?! ;) )

My shorts are all shiny
I have a
1.Shiny blue set
2.Shiny white set with blue thai writing.
3.Shiny purple set
4.Shiny white set with AFK and ALI in blue writing on them
5.Shiny Blue set with PHUKET and PATONG BOXING GYM printed on them

I used to have 3 more pairs but one got borrowed and 2 got nicked

My shorts are all shiny
LOL! :hihi:
Thought so.

As a slight aside - that's a cracker of quote - possible signature material! :)

Go for it Junior, make a post and ask folks to pm you with their relevant expirience. You can then edit your original post to include details as you get them.

Having spoken to the legal brain in the family, I would not want to have all the details posted under my name,where it could be interpretted I was recommending or endorsing a club or individual, should there be a problem down the line.
Instructors would make there own posts, I will be happy to liase with the mods to root out in-appropriate threads, or if as a group we feel the info is in-correct.
Chefkicker, I am not one of Pauls crew although we belong to the same organisation.

I think that everyone should have the chance to see their prospectus instructor/coaches qualifications. Simple solution. 99% of all MA clubs have an association. Call their associations head honcho and clarify. Simple??

I think that everyone should have the chance to see their prospectus instructor/coaches qualifications. Simple solution. 99% of all MA clubs have an association. Call their associations head honcho and clarify. Simple??

But it would be a starting point. Then if they see something they like on the post, then they can call the association for further clarification. Some people when looking for lessons for the first time might not know where to start and who belongs to what association so if this info is included they can contact them.

I have PM`d the mods for an opinion, i`ll post what they say.

Things are getting confusing now,
Chefkicker i read on one the afk forum that andrew Hennesy was head of iska is he the same person as paul hennesy? tried googling Paul Hennesy and could only come up with him being a show promoter / bussiness man, and when i googled ISKA i came up with Andrew Hennesy as the uk director , and is the ring contact sports union the association you are with or iska.(Give us a clue and shut everyone up tell us what titles you won, WKA, WAKO, ISKA which one was it?)

I dont see the importance of kickboxing clubs having to produce fighters, if some people want to fight then fair enough but you can still have a kickboxing club with out producing fighters.

And what about the pedegree of the coach surly that is mportant WHO give them their Black Belts, where they trained their instructors ect,

You can actually buy black belts in decathlon, thought about getting my self one then starting up my own kickboxing style / class, lol (perhaps not yet then i'll do a few more months of mma the 6 months of kickboxing then give it a go after all what can i loose)

Is the ISKA semi contact kickboxing? I mean Semi contact American style Kickboxing?
So to just confirm what we have all read. Clarifying it all...kind of. Kickboxing with Chefkicker is only kickboxing if its in a ring and thats that! Everyone who goes there must step into the ring and fight. No other options, just be fighters. Phew!
Glad I get that sorted or there could have been some confusement.

Is the ISKA semi contact kickboxing? I mean Semi contact American style Kickboxing?
So to just confirm what we have all read. Clarifying it all...kind of. Kickboxing with Chefkicker is only kickboxing if its in a ring and thats that! Everyone who goes there must step into the ring and fight. No other options, just be fighters. Phew!
Glad I get that sorted or there could have been some confusement.

Confusement is not a word :hihi:
Kickboxing is a ringsport. Nothing wrong with people who dont compete and yes the Grading system is a welcome alternative for those who dont compete in fact some people do both believe it or not.
The grading system adds a more comprehensive approach to kickboxing.

It is not compulsory for ALL clubs to turn fighters out, not every club have the resources or the knowledge to be able to take part at that level to be honest. But even though a particular club dont take part in Full contact kickboxing, any instructor who does not open their students eyes to the fact that there is a competition scene (Ring sport competition not tiggy on the mats) is guilty of closing their students minds and not showing them the full picture.

I have students that do not compete and only grade, i also have students that have graded with other clubs and no longer believe that the belt they graded for (and paid a fortune for) from their old club was actually worth anything.
I also have students that train once a week , learn a few techniques and sweat buckets !!! Now they train hard and get to know everyone and take part in the social life but have no interest in gradings and will never fight.
It is all about giving students a choice.

I agree with that about 70%. But closing their students mind to the realistic world that there is other 'forms' of kickboxing is just as guilty(?)
If you have students that don't compete, then surely, as in your own words not mine, what they are doing is not kickboxing?
Just what is 'Low Kick?' I have tried to look it up etc and have come back non the wiser. (serious question by the way)

I'm considering taking up kickboxing, maybe going with my boyfriend, where would you suggest i go?

Depending on wher you live etc and what you really want to commit too. Check our website for more details.

I'm in woodseats, so somewhere over my side of Sheff would be good also i only want to keep fit and tone up, and maybe learn how to defend myself, but essentially i just want to keep fit :)

Just what is 'Low Kick?' I have tried to look it up etc and have come back non the wiser. (serious question by the way)
Farhad can probably answer more succintly but I think its a modification of the American (Shiny Pants) kickboxing rules to allow low kicks as well. IIRC American rules only allow blows above the belt.

I'm considering taking up kickboxing, maybe going with my boyfriend, where would you suggest i go?

Cummon your avin a laugh:gag:

erm no, whats wrong with not wanting to go by myself?! :(

Some inrestimg points Master J,

A hypthetical question for chefkicker, what if some one trains with you and never competes in a ring, but achieves a black belt, now if that student opens a club and teaches (for you or by them selves) what would they be teaching Kickboxing or something else????

Because like Master J points out you did say that someone could only teach proper kickboxing if they fought in a ring????

Also any one any clearer on the ISKA Paul/Andrew Hennesy Problem???

As far as i can work out cheeky chimp

hear are some clubs ive heard mentioned on the forum (you may have to google the clubs but im sure something will come up!

Marsdens All styles
Sheffield Academy of Martial Arts
Black Dragons
Sheffield Martial Arts Centre
Kappap Sheffield ( look for lotar on the forum)
Master J Korean kick boxing
I am sure there are others sorry if i missed any one out

or try the yellow pages?
Good luck

I'm in woodseats, so somewhere over my side of Sheff would be good also i only want to keep fit and tone up, and maybe learn how to defend myself, but essentially i just want to keep fit :)

There used to be a kickboxing club in woodseats as a matter of fact.
If youre just doing it for fitness then for heavens sake make sure the club you go to have SEPARATE beginners classes! Dont get yourself lumped together with people who are clearly a LOT more experienced as when it comes to holding the pads, you wont be ready to hold pads for them and they will be bored when partnered with you.
Mixed ability classes are only suitable if there are only a small number of students. Other than that it is counter productive.
Also, a well structured outfit should have beginners taught absolute basics correctly in a separate class.

The club i teach at, there are separate beginners classes at different venues.

Venue 1. Unit 3, 77 Sidney street (near the old niche and decathlon)
Monday /Thursday = 830-930pm Total beginners
Thursday = 730-830pm (womens only class)
Sunday = 1210-130pm
Friday 6-7pm = open bagwork session. Just come along and sue the equipment or ask one of the instructors and you will be given your own individualised training program.

Venue 2. Sport hallam , 44 Broomgrove Road, parallel to collegiate crescent and off ecclesall road.
Tuesday/Thursday 730-830pm
Phone = 0114 2252449 to book (youll need to book during October, january and February as the classes get SO busy during those months! Nowadays you should be ok.)

If you cant make it to the town centre or cant make those days I am more than willing to point out any alternative classes.

My thought on kickboxing.
My old instructor Phil Glover said " you are not a kickboxer if you have never fought in a ring" . I totally agree with that.(I competed at shiny pants!at wka show.)
As far as grades go look for well established kickboxing Orgs
Eg.WAKO,WKA,ISKA these gradings have a formulated syllabus for there gradings, when I first started kickboxing there were no grades it was just training, like say at a boxing gym. I think the grades area good thing and remind us of the sports origins in traditional martial arts.
My advice to anyone looking for a club shop around, do your own market research and then decide.

Nice web site oxma

Did you start Tae kwon do before kickboxing.

Recently started mma but wouldnt mind trying something else as well just not sure what.

ps just thinking about your instructors words
'you are not a kickboxer if you have never fought in a ring' But can you be a kickboxing coach?
Can you teach kickboxing if you have never competed because I Supose it's like a football manager or boxing coach there not boxers/footballers, but they still coach their chosen sport reckon you need to know the science behind the sport.

My thought on kickboxing.
My old instructor Phil Glover said " you are not a kickboxer if you have never fought in a ring" . I totally agree with that.(I competed at shiny pants!at wka show.)
As far as grades go look for well established kickboxing Orgs
Eg.WAKO,WKA,ISKA these gradings have a formulated syllabus for there gradings, when I first started kickboxing there were no grades it was just training, like say at a boxing gym. I think the grades area good thing and remind us of the sports origins in traditional martial arts.
My advice to anyone looking for a club shop around, do your own market research and then decide.


I will agree with mr OXMA , he knows his stuff and has trained with reputable people.

Hi superstar 1,
I started Shotokan First then Kickboxing with Phil Glover in 1986 the year after I started Taekwondo.
Do you mean coach or instructor??
There is a big difference in the two a coach is more concerned with tactics in bouts, matches -while they are taking place.
An instructor is someone who teaches techniques and tactics in the school.
My wife coaches my fighters at events but is not an instructor she understands the game and how to play it.

I was going to start a new post but when i entered the thread name this one came up it seems to fit my question !

I have a massive problem with martial arts instructors that claim to be somthing there not -

I have visited websites that claim they teach thai boxing and they clearly don't -
the instructor walks about with a pair of muay thai shorts on as does half the class and this guy is NOT a Muay thai instructor they advertise kickboxing which is fair enough (i've asked about and can't find out who taught him that)
but they then advertise lowkick kickboxing / modified thai boxing what the ###k is low kick kickboxing and modified thai boxing? answer thai boxing with out the long clinch or elbows thats what -
My instructor was taught by one of the countries leading thai boxers and has trained for over 15 ys in muay thai - and then you get these clowns coming along and jumping on the Muay thai / thai boxing bandwagon - He's proberbly read a few magazines but it realy p****s me off when some one just sets a club up with out even studying or training the art.
And by taining i don't mean someone that spent a couple of weeks here and a couple of weeks there with the odd weekend course thrown in, but actually spent 5 or 6 or even more years studying practicing .

Some body on this thread mentioned a CV for instructors that would be a good start even if they posted a cv on their own sites so people could check them out things like who they trained with, and for how long, what grade they achieved and who graded them.
Somthing like this would stop all the cowboys so come on who is going to be honest enough to put up a cv or is it a case of 'i'm not i dont have to prove anything'
If thats what your thinking then this post is aimed at you. LMAO

Rant over - going to chill out with a beer before bed then turn on again in the morning to see what i've stirred up.

So you can't be a kickboxer if you have'nt been in the ring ?? what a load of ****...
Some people don't want to fight.... does'nt mean they can't fight.
I've been in the ring several times.. so what !!!!!
Craig.

I reckon lotar's right theres more to being a kickboxer than whether or not you've fought in a ring.

After all you might have fought in a ring but be absolutly usless !

As a follow on from the OPs question - what qualifications do you need to call yourself "master"!?

As a follow on from the OPs question - what qualifications do you need to call yourself "master"!?

I think its not a case of only calling yourself a master but what qualifications do you have to teach - saying that you are a black belt can't be enough after all you can get a black belt from most sports shops, the important thing for me would be your pedegree or back ground ( person whom you trained with and in what style etc)and with so many associations these days any one would accept what you tell them.
A lot of people say they have trained with XY and Z but with so many instructors offering weekend seminars and then some sort of qualification afterwards it doesnt mean a thing - surly if some one can say i trained under master X for 8 years and achieved a certain grade then that to me would be some one who is a 'proper' martial artist / instructor
My opinion, is that someone who has trained with half a dozen instructors in as many years is just blagging their way through, in the hope someone believes them. Abit of a jack of all trades master of none.

In fact a good question would be who your instructor trains with now - and again not seminars or courses ( although they can be good) but actually trains with week in week out !!

Master in Taekwondo is 4th dan and above which usually means 10-15 years training.In other styles it will be similar when a certain dan ranking is passed.

To Craig (Lotar) I think what my instructor meant by saying your not a kickboxer if you haven't fought is:- your either a Kickboxer(fighter) or someone who participates in training ie. someone who DOES Kickboxing.
Most of my students who participate at kickboxing do not wish to fight, but do it for other reasons such as fitness etc.

So you can't be a kickboxer if you have'nt been in the ring ?? what a load of ****...
Some people don't want to fight.... does'nt mean they can't fight.
I've been in the ring several times.. so what !!!!!
Craig.
this is a tricky one but my take on it is this im a karateka im a blackbelt have been for 17 yrs ive competed in karate so i always say im a karateka but ive trained many years in kickboxing & muay,ive done a course with Phil Glover &
trained with Master Sken also done a few good rounds at sheffield boxing centre kickboxing when it was there but because ive never competed in kickboxing i wudn't class myself as a kickboxer more a karateka who trains in kickboxing,i mean could you call yourself a boxer if you have never been in the ring i dont think you could.

No idea mate, does'nt bother me one way or another if people fight in the ring or not..
I train at Glynn Rhodes , and have fought in a Boxing ring, but the guy's who don't fight and still train and spar, are they not boxers ??
In my view they are, Many years back I trained with a 5th dan TKD, this guy was certainly no master LOL.. Blackbelt, master, whatever mean noyhing to me, better to see how the person conducts himself on and off the mat, ring etc.

No offense to anyone meant, just my view on this subject.

Craig.

There are some good points but i think you can call your self a kickboxer if you train in the style even if you have not fought in the ring - its the training thats important -

But the point of this thread is to shame those instructors that say they teach a certain style namly Muay Thai / Thai boxing when they only use it as a marketing tool to bring people through the door, then the poor customer is taught Thai boxing techniques from some one that has very little idea - what makes it worse is that they then make names up for what they teach -

I mean <removed> how do they think they can get away with it - i mean ive never seen or heard of a kickboxing club that use knees in the white belt syllabus ( or any of the syllabus for that matter) - these guys just make it up as they go along -

Someones taken my post of the thread ? [now reinstated - DaFoot]

Mods if ive spoken out of turn please pm me and let me know so i wont make the same mistake again !!

Unless some ones complained about my rant !!!!

If thats the case then some one must be feeling very guilty and sheepish lol

Here's me complaining about people teaching Thai boxing when there not qualified to teach it, next thing i know the post vanishes ??

So it would be a very good idea to get that CV thing going so the public know what there getting for there mony..

Come on instructors post your cv here and not just im a black belt but, when, with whom you graded and in what styles ?

EVILDRNEIL can you find where my post has gone - or did i dream that i put it on ??

Started training 1986
Thai/Kickboxing instructor Phil Glover. Graded WKA Gold Bar 2006 Steve Humphery
Freestyle Kickboxing 4th dan SDF.
Taekwondo 5th Dan GM A Quigley 2006. Instructors Darran Hughes, Scott Coullie, Andy Hill.
Self Defence Diploma 3 Advanced Instructor Dave Turton 8th Dan.

Proper shows you say!!!!!!! Hmm, Chefkicker, me thinks I may have hit a nerve some where. Well here goes. (breathes) I have already explained to you about my credentials in an earlier thread. My qualifications have been awarded to me by true masters in various MA's. Who gave yours? Your self? I have represented my country numerous times in full contact TKD. British Champion and undefeated too! No gloves, very thin pads, shins of stell as they said. The great 'Arthur Loughlan' saw me win it as a ...wait for it....A WHITE BELT. The rest followed. But enough of my egotistical banter, I know to leave that for you!
Master Davies(Martial artitst of the year 2006) Grand Master Liversidge, Grand Master Siddall. Hmmmm Again you won't recognise the names as you do not recognise any other martial art out side your 'ghetto' gym.(Sorry I just had to mention the reply you got in an earlier thread)
If your tiny simple, narrow mind you thought that this thread was aimed at you, do not flatter your self. It wasn't.
You again continue to totally disrespect others on here as though this forum is soley for you. I can more than match your personal trophy cabinet if that is what excites you.
Once again, I teach KOREAN KICKBOXING. Look it up. Google it. Learn that there is other MA's out there. My KKB has a grading syllabus. Fully recognised by a 'national' association. Recognised by Grand Masters. The very same Grand Masters that have invited me to take my next Dan grade, my 6th Dan. ( We have to wait to be invited to have the honour of going for your next grade, not just award it your self! I have waited and learned and widened my knowledge for 6 years for this next grade.) Time served, fully qualified and internationally recognised. How about you?
You do a different MA to me. Yep there I go, recognising your 'art'. How about you don't use this forum just to promote your 'shows' but as to post threads that people can actually have a useful opinion on?
Hmmm then may be your 'ghetto' gym needs it.
Do not ever disrespect me again on here. Tell it to me personally.
This not by any means a threat, just someone who is sick to the back teeth of your negative postings and tirades of insults to other MA's.

WELL SAID MASTER J :thumbsup::thumbsup:

Master in Taekwondo is 4th dan and above which usually means 10-15 years training....
There is a definition then? :D

I've seen lots of people claim the titles of master/grand master/super doopa overlord and countless other titles.

Unfortunately that has led to me feeling that anyone marketing themselves with any grand title is best avoided.

I've practiced with some good teachers, some not. Interestingly, the ones I didn't think much too, were the ones giving themselves grand titles and puffing their chests!

@spiderpete - your post was removed because it contained a form of swearing which we always remove when spotted/reported.

If you which to discuss further, contact helpdesk or PM me rather than on thread.

[QUOTE=DaFoot;4627477]There is a definition then? :D

Not sure what you mean?
Most trad systems have terms like Sensei, Master, Grandmaster.
Some Taekwondo groups have 4th dan as Master grade some have 5th dan.
Personally I don't use the term Master and my students address me as Paul.

There's a Shotokan man called Dave Hazard - based in Nottingham but originally from London. He has lived a karate life most just dream of. He was close (almost Uchi Deshi) student of Sensei Enoeda - one of the most charismatic Japanese karate sensei ever to come out of the JKA, he has lived and trained in Japan and was accepted on the JKA instuctors course for 2 years which allowed him to fight daily with people like Senseis Yahara, Osaka, Tanaka and Yabe (to name but a few). He has trained directly with Sensei Higaonna of Goju Ryu etc etc ...... I'm not trying to be his press officer or anything but he is the business!!!!!

The relevance to this discussion is that he says, even with all his experience, he has only ever trained with one master and that was Master Nakayama, the head of the JKA. There are many karateka who describe senior sensei as 'master', when sensei would do.

I think the argument is maybe based on people's understanding of the word 'master'. I would automatically think the word 'master' would mean someone who has perfected their technique in whatever art they practice. But I guess, there is another meaning of the word, which could be 'leader' or 'senior' and which in MA terms might mean the same as 'sensei' does in karate??????? I'm not trying to put words into MasterJ's mouth but that is what seems to come across. Might be wrong but I beleive your 'title' isn't the imporatnt thing - it's whats in your head - what you have learnt about your art and what you've put your body through getting the lessons that counts!

I agree with some of the things said here but names such as master, grand master etc

do depend on peopls understanding - but the main argument i am making is instructos that teach somthing they know little about or never realy studied -

How would you feel if some one set up a Shotoken Karate school where you live but had only ever studied a diffrent style of karate . well thats the same thing here kickboxing 'instructors' trying to teach Thai boxing - then calling it somthing diffrent ??

If they are calling it Kickboxing and not Thai boxing then incorporate Muay Thai techniques i think its fine.
A lot of the Thai techniques are in WKA,WAKO syllabus for Kickboxing Elbow,knee,low kick etc.
Cross training is the future of martial arts,most MMA clubs adopt Thai techniques in there stand up training.
I think that if people are teaching kickboxing and advertising it as Muay Thai then that is wrong.

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Hi
Master J, Who is Malcom siddall,
Who graded him and when?
Is he a member of any national Governing Body?
would just like to know looking for a new place to train.

Hi tkdpal,
GM Siddall owns his new academy at Worsbrough. He is open 6 days a week. His website is ww.mstacademy.com Ill let him know you asked.

Thanks MasterJ.
It dont say much about his grades, who he is with or his instructor. Taekwondo seems to be just one of the things he does. I was looking for someone who only does Taekwondo.