Do you think that the prospect of 24 hr drinking is a good idea or not?

I get fed up with the analogy of drinking on the continent ie much laxer drinking hours equates to less drunken, loutish behaviour.

We have the problem IMO because the people who you see baring their arses, vomiting in the street and causing brawls are just thicko thugs who aren't going to change their behaviour just because they will be able to drink all night. They will continue drinking while they can still stand up or until their money runs out. The end result will be the same.

The situation on the continent is different because the whole cultural attitude to alcohol is different. Children are brought up with access to alcohol and taught to drink in a controlled and civilised way. It is not the forbidden fruit that it is here until you are 18. BTW does anybody actually wait until they are 18 to drink in a pub?

The laws in Ireland were relaxed and the burden on the NHS increased significantly which led to a tightening up of the laws.

What do you think?

I think it's very misleading talking about these changes bringing in 24hr drinking but I'm really looking forward to some changes. Like being able to pick up some beers on the way home from the pub instead of desperately searching for that random bottle of spirits you have hidden away somewhere.

We can't possibly compare ourselves with other countries as we are all different culturally. Yes I remember drinking all night in prague last summer and buying tinny's from a burger stall at 4.30 in the morning. Hmm, but with all that booze there, I not once saw any fighting, not even in the english bar!

As far as this place is concearned, I don't think much will change, first off, how many pubs will actually stay open late? Just because they might be open longer, it doesn't mean people will drink more, people usually have a limit. How many pubs have lockins? - loads, it will just legitimize lockins.

It will be good not to have the very uncivilised crush and 'over ordering' at the bar at last orders. It also means that all the 'Idiots' won't pile out onto the street at the same time at closing. This in itself will mean lots less trouble.

Remember when we got 'all day drinking' a few years back, a lot of gloomy people predicting all sorts of problems. Didn't happen, though
:)

I recall the same arguments being bandied around in the early 1980s before the extra half hour on Friday and Saturday evenings; ditto being allowed to drink till 11pm Monday thru Saturday and around 1988 when 'all day drinking' was brought in. All the problems envisaged then weren't quite realised.

However, I believe we're living in a different climate now with a section of society hell bent on getting as drunk as they can as fast as they can. And once they're reached their goal, whereas I would frankly have been looking forward to my bed, this section are looking forward to a fight. Having said all this, I don't believe it's going to have a dramatic affect either way. This is because:-

a) the majority of pubs will still open and close as they do now; and

b) there will always be an element hell bent on getting drunk, whether that element is given one hour to do so, or twenty-four!

I'd love the option of being able to go out later and drink till maybe two or three in the morning, but I'd probably only wish to do so a couple of times a year. There's nothing worse than come eleven o'clock, just as the night's getting going you're having to finish your drinks! I'd also love the continental approach to alcohol but we've too much of an island mentality to incorporate it here. Alcohol in Britain is for getting drunk with. Abroad it's a part of the culture in a totally different way.

On the continent you can buy a can of beer with your morning paper from the newsagent, with your eggs and bacon from the supermarket and with a gallon of petrol from the garage. It's everywhere - and yet, you don't have the situation of young idiots falling about the place, vomitting and wanting to cause the agro you see here!

I don't know what the answers are, but I admit that the way the whole 'going down town' thing has changed in the past 15 years is very worrying. I'm 35 and would think twice about 'doing town' in the evening. Daytime? No probs.

There are plenty of late bars opening nowadays - OK, maybe 1am or 2am isn't late compared to 24 hour availability of booze but I honestly don't see the point of 24 hour opening.

I don't know whether it will cause an increase in bad behaviour but I doubt it will cause a decrease.

People tend to migrate between pubs in city centres, rather than settle in for a session as happens with lock-ins at the local. The migrations will continue, and at some point people still have to go home.

I doubt anyone's really considered the wider implications, which is typical of this government on social issues.

Joe

i think its a bad idea - we're english!!! you wanna booige til six you can...any later?? errr why? i can see if would be good for doormen, but they just stay in club after hours or go for curries. more nice bars open til 2am will do me. personally dont want 24hrs, when will the cities get cleaned? they are a bloody mess as it is, on a sunday morning

the point is though that not everyone will have to leave and go home at the same time.
And as people get used to the idea of there being no imposed limit on drinking time, they might actually slow down the drinking and take a little longer over it.

I sometimes find 10:30 approaching and buy several beers because a) i don't want to change venue and go to an overcrowded noisy late bar b) I want to carry on drinking for longer.

If the pub wasn't forced to stop serving then there would be no reason for people to do that.

I doubt it will make any difference to the idiots who fight, it won't stop them, but it won't create more of them. It will give everyone else in the country (and I do think the idiots are a minority) the option to drink as they see fit (almost like being treat as an adult, no?).

Originally posted by JoePritchard
There are plenty of late bars opening nowadays - OK, maybe 1am or 2am isn't late compared to 24 hour availability of booze but I honestly don't see the point of 24 hour opening.

There are very few late bars in Sheffield - try getting a drink at 11.01pm on a Friday evening and you'll see what I mean. Pathetic.

I think treating people as rational adults, rather than small children who don't know what's best for them, can only be a positive thing.

While they're at it, the government should sort out the Sunday trading laws – in this day and age it's plain silly to only allow shops to open for six hours...

Originally posted by Cyclone
the point is though that not everyone will have to leave and go home at the same time.
And as people get used to the idea of there being no imposed limit on drinking time, they might actually slow down the drinking and take a little longer over it.

I sometimes find 10:30 approaching and buy several beers because a) i don't want to change venue and go to an overcrowded noisy late bar b) I want to carry on drinking for longer.


why not just go to a bar that opens later in the 1st place? we def need more choice though
and yes i agree, we will always get those lager boys that spoil it for everyone.
what happened to the late night bars, my parents talk about - members only soul bars or jazz bars??

Originally posted by Greenback
There are very few late bars in Sheffield - try getting a drink at 11.01pm on a Friday evening and you'll see what I mean. Pathetic.

I think treating people as rational adults, rather than small children who don't know what's best for them, can only be a positive thing.

While they're at it, the government should sort out the Sunday trading laws – in this day and age it's plain silly to only allow shops to open for six hours...

Hmmm....

So why is it I can walk up West Street and see at least two bars advertising they're open to midnight or 1am?

And the night clubs? They're open to what....2am?

And if people ACTED like rational adults they might get treated that way. there's little rational about getting so drunk you're incaable of doing anything but throw up in the street.

We seem to have a 'macho' culture towards drink in the UK. many people drink to 'get out of their heads' rather than enjoy the company of family and friends.

Joe

I think the phrase "24 hour drinking" is a misnomer. No pub will be open for 24 hours a day and hardly any one will drink 24 hours a day. If they want to do that, they can do it now anyway. No, it is about having a free market in the pub trade, fewer state regulations. A pub will no longer have to close at 11 pm, but when it wants, provided it has a licence to do so.

Joe is right. It won't cause less violence, but it won't cause more violence. And we won't become more like the Continient in our drinking habits, not in all respects any way. What might happen and be more continental is the time people go out for a drink. Here in Germany it's unheard of to go out for a weekend drink before 10 at night (for my age range of 30-somethings), and then you stay out much later. It does make it easier if not everyone is turfed out at the same time.

In other respects though it will not change our culture. The French or Spanish habit of kids drinking wine etc comes from the fact that a) they grow the stuff and b) it's cheap. We're taxed so much, making it a luxury good.
You can compare the Brits with the Scandinavians on alcohol. Their booze is also expensive and binge drinking is just as problematic as it is here.

even when people go abroad they seem to get legless, goodness knows what the med think of us? why cant we casually drink all day and not want to get wrecked? when i worked in spain we drank at lunch and dinner and eve and never fell over backwards. i suppose we have learned to rush it because of these laws - but have we no restraint?

Originally posted by hade
As far as this place is concearned, I don't think much will change, first off, how many pubs will actually stay open late? Just because they might be open longer, it doesn't mean people will drink more, people usually have a limit. kins.

Well I suppose if they are to compete for business then they will have to stay open.You are right, people will only have so much money to spend so they will either go out later and stay out later or drink slower. I don't suspect that there will be much more revenue generated. Then take into account the extra costs of light, heat and staffing and it may look lass attractiveto licensees.

Where is Classic when you need her. Having a pub, I would like to hear what she has to say.

Originally posted by NatalieSheff
why not just go to a bar that opens later in the 1st place? we def need more choice though
and yes i agree, we will always get those lager boys that spoil it for everyone.
what happened to the late night bars, my parents talk about - members only soul bars or jazz bars??

because the bars that open late aren't of a style that i like, and it's guaranteed that after 11 they will be extremely busy, expensive and noisy.

I think there are 3 late bars around the West Street area, not exactly spoilt for choice given that around 30 pubs kick out at 11.
And night clubs are completely different. I don't go out to dance, if I liked dancing then a nightclub would be fine, but I don't.
Joe - the 'get out of their heads quickly' attitude is fuelled by having a limit imposed on the drinking, rather than restricted by it. If you know you can keep drinking until you choose to stop, then there is no longer any rush to drink.
Interestingly licensing hours were introduced during the 1st world war to ensure that factory workers had had enough sleep (i think), and never repealed. A little bit like income tax, a temporary tax levied to pay for some war or other a couple of centuries ago.

Originally posted by JoePritchard
Hmmm....

So why is it I can walk up West Street and see at least two bars advertising they're open to midnight or 1am?

And the night clubs? They're open to what....2am?

And if people ACTED like rational adults they might get treated that way. there's little rational about getting so drunk you're incaable of doing anything but throw up in the street.

We seem to have a 'macho' culture towards drink in the UK. many people drink to 'get out of their heads' rather than enjoy the company of family and friends.

Joe

Honestly Joe, there are very few late bars. Compared to a city like, say, Liverpool – where people happily mill around inside and outside the bars until 2 or 3 in the morning - it's pitiful. Didn't see much trouble there.

Idiots will be idiots, I'm afraid. It won't result in more nutters being born, and may have the result of calming many down. I actually think that in terms of bar culture, we're becoming more and more European. It's time for the law to catch up.

Hi Cyclone,

Yes, Licensing Hours were introduced in WW1 to stop munitions workers blowing themselves up amongst other things...:)

I understand what you're saying about night clubs - but having said that many late bars are too loud and noisy to talk in anyway.

Greenback - yep, it's not brilliant, I know. 3 or 4 out of 30 pubs is a bit poor, but if Liverpool can have these late bars without changes in national law, why can't Sheffield? I appreciate that licensing is controlled by the Magistrates within the guidelines and requirments of the Law, but if we want later bars then surely the answer is to work on the local situation?

It would be nice to think that people will behave, but I doubt it. Hopefully I'll be proved wrong.

Joe

Originally posted by Cyclone
And night clubs are completely different. I don't go out to dance, if I liked dancing then a nightclub would be fine, but I don't.
Joe - the 'get out of their heads quickly' attitude is fuelled by having a limit imposed on the drinking, rather than restricted by it. If you know you can keep drinking until you choose to stop, then there is no longer any rush to drink.
Interestingly licensing hours were introduced during the 1st world war to ensure that factory workers had had enough sleep (i think), and never repealed. A little bit like income tax, a temporary tax levied to pay for some war or other a couple of centuries ago. you dont like dancing:o not even a wiggle?:o bet u do really!
disagree with you disagreeing with joe p, cos ive seen people out sat lunch time, hammered! and they have hours yet to drink. getting drunk lets go of inhibitions and "relaxes" you,mmmmm.

Almost everyone who uses the Forum says how different is drinking and the general behaviour of young people abroad , compared to this country i.e. it's more civilized abroad.
Have the Wishy-Washies in our wonderland seen the truth of this and , if so , do they ever wonder why ?
Could it be , by some miracle that family life in this country has been damaged , perhaps beyond repair ? Could it be that the police in most countries clamp down severely on louts and idiots ? Could it be that there are so many restrictions and petty , stupid regulations in this country that even half-decent kids get carried away once they've had some booze ?
No doubt the Bleeding Hearts will come up with some more excuses and suggest even dafter laws to cope with it all but the only chance , in my opinion ,that we have now , is to clamp down really hard on the thugs and then relax the laws that frustrate most other peple.

speaking of police, i like having them about around town - it makes me feel safe. annoys me how many are needed though, cos of stupid immature people who cant handle their drink. what a waste of police time and dont even get me started on the millions spend on football matches cos of stupid idiots

Originally posted by JoeP
Hi Cyclone,

Yes, Licensing Hours were introduced in WW1 to stop munitions workers blowing themselves up amongst other things...:)

I understand what you're saying about night clubs - but having said that many late bars are too loud and noisy to talk in anyway.

Greenback - yep, it's not brilliant, I know. 3 or 4 out of 30 pubs is a bit poor, but if Liverpool can have these late bars without changes in national law, why can't Sheffield? I appreciate that licensing is controlled by the Magistrates within the guidelines and requirments of the Law, but if we want later bars then surely the answer is to work on the local situation?

It would be nice to think that people will behave, but I doubt it. Hopefully I'll be proved wrong.

Joe

the change in the law would allow a bar to stay open late without being "a late bar" part of which is a requirement that they play music.

I'd rather stay somewhere like the Devonshire Cat or the Corner House and leave when I want too.

Originally posted by NatalieSheff
why not just go to a bar that opens later in the 1st place? we def need more choice though
and yes i agree, we will always get those lager boys that spoil it for everyone.
what happened to the late night bars, my parents talk about - members only soul bars or jazz bars??

I was in a members only "soul" bar (well RnB too) on saturday in manchester. We left at 4.30. It was very civilised in there and actualy chatted to loads of people which is something of a rarity these days.
I don't know of any equivelant in sheffield but would be interested to know if there was.

Originally posted by kilauea
I was in a members only "soul" bar (well RnB too) on saturday in manchester. We left at 4.30. It was very civilised in there and actualy chatted to loads of people which is something of a rarity these days.
I don't know of any equivelant in sheffield but would be interested to know if there was. my friend lives down south and he goes to them all the time, im very jealous, would love one here. quite like manchester too

Originally posted by Cyclone
the change in the law would allow a bar to stay open late without being "a late bar" part of which is a requirement that they play music.

I'd rather stay somewhere like the Devonshire Cat or the Corner House and leave when I want too.

Again, that would be a very simple change to make to licensing rules to facilitate that.

Not a total overhaul of the system.

Joe

Originally posted by NatalieSheff
my friend lives down south and he goes to them all the time, im very jealous, would love one here. quite like manchester too

Been to a few places like that in London - Jazz and Blues mainly - and it was great.

The music's there but the places are arranged so that there's usually a quiet area as well.

And within the existing licensing acts.

Joe

It would be nice to stay out past 11 and not have to go somewhere like the Forum. I have nothing against the Forum, but sometimes, I'd just like drink and chat somewhere quiet that's not rammed. It would help greatly if SCC relaxed the choking licensing laws of Sheffield. As Joe mentioned before, this wouldn't even need a change in national law. If SCC won't relax the local laws now, why would they want to change things after 24 licensing has come in?

Originally posted by JoeP
Been to a few places like that in London - Jazz and Blues mainly - and it was great.

The music's there but the places are arranged so that there's usually a quiet area as well.

And within the existing licensing acts.

Joe wish sheffield was upto date with this, think its a general feeling on this forum we need something new

Originally posted by Andy78
It would be nice to stay out past 11 and not have to go somewhere like the Forum. I have nothing against the Forum, but sometimes, I'd just like drink and chat somewhere quiet that's not rammed. It would help greatly if SCC relaxed the choking licensing laws of Sheffield. As Joe mentioned before, this wouldn't even need a change in national law. If SCC won't relax the local laws now, why would they want to change things after 24 licensing has come in?
At the moment it's not up to SCC, it's up to the Magistrates.

Under the proposed changes licensing decisions will become the responsibility of SCC.

So (in theory) it becomes the responsibility of elected members, who are accountable to the local population.

Originally posted by JoeP
Again, that would be a very simple change to make to licensing rules to facilitate that.

Not a total overhaul of the system.

Joe

it's not that big a change that's being proposed.

A change in who makes the decision, some relaxation on what criteria need to be fulfilled for a license later than 23:00. And the removal of the 02:00 limit.

I can't see any downsides to this proposal. Do you think it will actually introduce new problems, or you just object to the time and effort spent on the changes?

Originally posted by NatalieSheff
[B]i think its a bad idea - we're english!!! you wanna booige til six you can...any later?? errr why?
Not so if you are only a 'locals' drinker! I would like to take my time drinking up without hassle from the bar staff and go home as late as 12-30 ish. Not a lot to ask....

Originally posted by Draggletail
Not so if you are only a 'locals' drinker! I would like to take my time drinking up without hassle from the bar staff and go home as late as 12-30 ish. Not a lot to ask.... most local pubs do lock ins esp in outskirts of town

I think it would be great to be able to have relaxed licensing laws in this country. Instead of having to dash to the bar for a drink before last orders you could relax with your glass of wine (or beer) and, if and when you're ready - order another. However, I do have one caviat to this; if Britain is to adopt 24 hour licensing laws then Britons need to learn to cull their habit of binge drinking.
In Europe, people see alcohol as something to be enjoyed in moderation between friends. Sadly in Britain it's drink as much you can, have a fight and stagger home. It's a shame really because it reflects badly on us as a country. Sometimes I see Brits abroad and cringe at their awful behaviour.
I would love for Britain to adopt 24 hour licensing laws but only if people change their attitudes to drinking alcohol. If not, then we're going to end up with even bigger drinking binges, even more violence on the streets and more people ending up in A&E at the end of the night.

Originally posted by Cyclone
it's not that big a change that's being proposed.

A change in who makes the decision, some relaxation on what criteria need to be fulfilled for a license later than 23:00. And the removal of the 02:00 limit.

I can't see any downsides to this proposal. Do you think it will actually introduce new problems, or you just object to the time and effort spent on the changes?

I have issues with the proposal because there are multiple chain pubs that WILL take advantage of the new laws to produce an environment in which booze IS available for much of the day.

Smaller pubs and bars will probably not be able to compete - they would have the additional on costs of staffing which a Wetherspoons type outfit will be able to absorb in the short term in order to 'buy' city centre business. I expect to see a reduction in the range of facilities in the City Centre, and I'm pretty sure that, going by the fact that people seem to be able to get fighting drunk 2 or 3 hours ahead of the existing throwing out time, more requirement for policing, bouncers, etc.

I don't give a flying fig about time and energy spent on legislation - I just ask that it's done in such a way that is 'joined up'. We have the government going on about health issues, and then they provide legislation that will allow a massive increase in opening hours for alcohol consumption. If a law is cast in such a way that people CAN run a bar and sell booze for 20 hours a day, then large chain concerns - and no doubt smaller concerns as well - will actually do so.

Joe

let me address this in parts then.

Originally posted by JoeP
I have issues with the proposal because there are multiple chain pubs that WILL take advantage of the new laws to produce an environment in which booze IS available for much of the day.
That's the point of it (not that chain pubs do it, but that it's possible). With drink being available for more time, the idea is that some of the current problems will be alleviated.
I also wouldn't expect this to change the drinking habits of everyone overnight, so only a limited number of later opening venues will be required and/or profitable. And there is of course still control of which venues that is, so the SCC can ensure that its an appropriate mix of smaller and chain venues if the smaller venues think that it's worth their while applying.


Smaller pubs and bars will probably not be able to compete - they would have the additional on costs of staffing which a Wetherspoons type outfit will be able to absorb in the short term in order to 'buy' city centre business.
If that was their intention then they could currently just lower prices and have the same effect.
In fact, some of them do have lower prices, but customers are obviously not so easily swayed.
If a non chain pub thinks that people will continue to spend then it's in just a good a position as a chain pub to open later. Either way profit will increase or stay flat, not decrease.


I expect to see a reduction in the range of facilities in the City Centre, and I'm pretty sure that, going by the fact that people seem to be able to get fighting drunk 2 or 3 hours ahead of the existing throwing out time, more requirement for policing, bouncers, etc.
If the people who already wish to get stupidly drunk and/or violent already do so, why will this change things. They can't get more drunk or more violent (well, more drunk = unable to fight, so maybe that's a good thing).
It also means that with staggered kicking out times, there will be less of them on the street at a given time, and thus less requirement for police numbers (although an increase in hours) and less chance of them finding other groups to fight with.
Bouncers are just a running cost to the venues involved (and not all of them have bouncers), so I'm not sure it's relevant.


I don't give a flying fig about time and energy spent on legislation - I just ask that it's done in such a way that is 'joined up'. We have the government going on about health issues, and then they provide legislation that will allow a massive increase in opening hours for alcohol consumption.
yes, but there is no evidence and no reasoning to suggest that later opening hours will actually increase the amount of drinking. If anything it may (in time) introduce more moderation.

If a law is cast in such a way that people CAN run a bar and sell booze for 20 hours a day, then large chain concerns - and no doubt smaller concerns as well - will actually do so.

Joe
Finally, yes, that's the point, and why is that a bad thing?

Originally posted by Greenback
Honestly Joe, there are very few late bars. Compared to a city like, say, Liverpool – where people happily mill around inside and outside the bars until 2 or 3 in the morning - it's pitiful. Didn't see much trouble there.

This is right - I'm from Sheffield but I've lived in Liverpool since '95. Even then, most places in the city centre opened late - I was amazed the first time I went out on the town!!

The beauty of it is that you can go out much later - or you can still go and have a couple of drinks after you've been to the theatre or a late film at the cinema. Because there's so much choice, you're not fighting for space in the few establishments that are allowed to serve you.

I assume this is all down to the policy of the local licensing magistrates - Sheffield has long suffered their puritanical regime!

I well recall them REFUSING the Lyceum a licence to allow people to wander onto Tudor Square with their drinks, no doubt fearing 15 minutes of blood-soaked violence as paralytic Gilbert And Sullivan fans 'looked at each others' birds' during the interval.

Ah well, one where we'll have to agree to disagree and come back to it all in a year or two's time, when I'll be delighted to be proved wrong as we promenade along the vomit and blood free streets of Sheffield at 1am on a Saturday morning... :)

Originally posted by JoePritchard
Ah well, one where we'll have to agree to disagree and come back to it all in a year or two's time, when I'll be delighted to be proved wrong as we promenade along the vomit and blood free streets of Sheffield at 1am on a Saturday morning... :)

lol.

i wonder since we're getting around to modernising old temporary laws when they'll be repealing the income tax :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Damon
This is right - I'm from Sheffield but I've lived in Liverpool since '95. Even then, most places in the city centre opened late - I was amazed the first time I went out on the town!!

The beauty of it is that you can go out much later - or you can still go and have a couple of drinks after you've been to the theatre or a late film at the cinema. Because there's so much choice, you're not fighting for space in the few establishments that are allowed to serve you.

I assume this is all down to the policy of the local licensing magistrates - Sheffield has long suffered their puritanical regime!


I know what you mean; it's great being able to amble into town and 9 or 10 o' clock and find that it's still quite quiet because no one is rushing to get rinsed before 11pm.

I have experience working on a hotel bar. As a residents bar it is open until either the bar-bod gets fed up, or everyone goes to bed. During the week it's mainly used by people on business conferences and it's rare to be open much later than 1am. There's never any trouble or any vomit etc., just civilised people having a drink and a smoke.

On a Saturday we get wedding parties which do occasionally bring trouble and vomit, but at a celebration you expect it. Still being open at 3am is rare because by this time the sensible ones drag the ones falling asleep in their seats to bed.

If it goes ahead, I anticipate the 24 hour licencing to follow a similar pattern. People will go out for a civilised drink during the week, and let their hair down at the weekend. Just like they do now, the only difference is that they're not being told what time they should stop.

I personally never drink before 9pm, and these days rarely go to the pub until gone 10. I nearly always have about 3 pints, but they have to be more rushed than I'd like them to be. The pub I frequent does have a semi-lock-in, in that you can buy whatever you like before 11 (i.e. pay for 2 pints but leave one in the pipe) and they're not strict about ushering you out at 11.20. They're more strict on Friday and Saturday though.

I don't understand the appeal of afternoon drinking, it makes me feel drowsy later in the day. This is not relavent to anything, just felt I needed to include it.

Originally posted by NatalieSheff
most local pubs do lock ins esp in outskirts of town
Natalie, I drink in the same four locals and NONE of them do lock ins, and never have. I don't think I should have to go to some strange local on the edge of town where I know no one, to have a late ish (and illegal) drink. I want that option in MY local pubs whilst drinking with my friends!

I guess the fear is that britain is becoming lout culture. Any restrictions of peoples behaviour will have this effect. Remember the US during prohibition? No? Well neither do I - but it is well known that the effect of the criminality that was directly as a result of the banning of alcholol are still in place and impact America today.

The relaxing of laws are always a good thing as greater freedom for citizens usually leads to an increase in responsiblity of the people.

I also have a problem with seeing jubilant behaviour as 'loutish' or 'thugish.' I personally don't have any problem with people who want to drink themselves into a coma or indeed women baring their arses because if we are all honest we have all got blind drunk, ridden on top of a tram up west street, whilst moonying and weeing on passers by, haven't we?

It would be a bit hypocritical to stop people having the fun that we have had - pyjama jump was a night of wanton damage and debauchery for people who were doing degrees and would one day look down on people who behaved in the same way -

The whole thing is media driven - so stop worrying - go out - drink too much if you like - but most of all remember your behaviour will always be seen as unacceptable by some; no matter what you do - but, most importantly, if you ARE the one who has drank far too much, their objections will seem very, very funny. :hihi: :gag: :hihi:

good point.
I stay away on business every week. And on occaision have been found wandering (maybe singing slightly) upto my room at 0400 along with the other 3 guys who came out for dinner.
No vomiting, no fighting (well only a little, and only with each other), no loutish behaviour. Our only crime was needing to be in work 4 hours later and not sobering up until lunch time. But hey, it was a Friday (every time).

Originally posted by Sidla
I have experience working on a hotel bar. As a residents bar it is open until either the bar-bod gets fed up, or everyone goes to bed. During the week it's mainly used by people on business conferences and it's rare to be open much later than 1am. There's never any trouble or any vomit etc., just civilised people having a drink and a smoke.

On a Saturday we get wedding parties which do occasionally bring trouble and vomit, but at a celebration you expect it. Still being open at 3am is rare because by this time the sensible ones drag the ones falling asleep in their seats to bed.

If it goes ahead, I anticipate the 24 hour licencing to follow a similar pattern. People will go out for a civilised drink during the week, and let their hair down at the weekend. Just like they do now, the only difference is that they're not being told what time they should stop.

I personally never drink before 9pm, and these days rarely go to the pub until gone 10. I nearly always have about 3 pints, but they have to be more rushed than I'd like them to be. The pub I frequent does have a semi-lock-in, in that you can buy whatever you like before 11 (i.e. pay for 2 pints but leave one in the pipe) and they're not strict about ushering you out at 11.20. They're more strict on Friday and Saturday though.

I don't understand the appeal of afternoon drinking, it makes me feel drowsy later in the day. This is not relavent to anything, just felt I needed to include it.

surely drinking hours aren't the issue when it comes down to violence etc - yobs are yobs and drink only fuels them further.

As a mature adult (and no longer into nightclubs!) I resent the fact that on the one evening a week that I go out, the hours of drinking are restricted whilst the younger generation, many of whom do not have the maturity to handle their drink, are able to drink away in the clubs until the early hours.

I do not think there will be a rush by the pubs to open 24 hours - instead I think the closing times will be more staggered which will lead to fewer people on the streets at the same time - taxis would probably be able to cope better, easing tension at the ranks and getting people off the street quicker.

Originally quoted by teeb:
As a mature adult (and no longer into nightclubs!) I resent the fact that on the one evening a week that I go out, the hours of drinking are restricted whilst the younger generation, many of whom do not have the maturity to handle their drink, are able to drink away in the clubs until the early hours.

Quite right. Nice quiet pubs should be able to stay open later so us mature 'uns can converse over a pint 'till the wee hours.

Originally posted by Draggletail
Natalie, I drink in the same four locals and NONE of them do lock ins, and never have. I don't think I should have to go to some strange local on the edge of town where I know no one, to have a late ish (and illegal) drink. I want that option in MY local pubs whilst drinking with my friends!
None of the pubs in woodseats/millhouses/greenhill do lock-ins although I've seen the chantrey having private lockins. It seems that all the pubs in crookes and walkley do though.

how do you think it will sheffield?

what do you think the 4 main areas are?

what bars currently stay open?
and which others do you know of that will welcome the idea?

i'm new to sheffield and need some information on this topic. if anyone can help please reply to this thread!

cheers

Well they had better pay us door supervisors more money ,as I am sure we will get more **** from the customers.:thumbsup:

Threads merged.

I thought you meant by 24 hr drinking, people who literally drink day and night never letting themselves sober up because they live their lives drunk. They do not appear to be inebriated and they can still hold a job down but they are perminantly under the influence of alcohol.
I know one or two people like that and the drinking laws willll make no differece to them. Like all addicts they always make sure they have a supply.
Hazel

I got a really bad feeling about this 24hr drinking coming into play.

Bloody hell... there is enough stupidity in sheffield at night with people ****** as farts, fighting and generally making asses of themselves, never mind 24hrs of it.

Originally posted by hazel
I thought you meant by 24 hr drinking, people who literally drink day and night never letting themselves sober up because they live their lives drunk. They do not appear to be inebriated and they can still hold a job down but they are perminantly under the influence of alcohol.
I know one or two people like that and the drinking laws willll make no differece to them. Like all addicts they always make sure they have a supply.
Hazel

Surelly Hazel if they were so addicted, they wouldn't be waiting for the pubs to open? They would have stores at home for when they are closed? 24 hour drinking wouldn't alter this I feel?

K x

Originally posted by Kristian
Surelly Hazel if they were so addicted, they wouldn't be waiting for the pubs to open? They would have stores at home for when they are closed? 24 hour drinking wouldn't alter this I feel?
K x
Yeah exactly,
If you had to drink 24 hours, then you would probably drink cheap supermarket booze at home. If you had a pint every half hour at say £2.10 in a pub, that would be £100 a day therefore £700 per week. (the equivalent of 36 grand a year)

In my mind the concept of 24hr drinking is exactly that.
So drinking hrs are immaterial and once the newness of availability had worn off, nothing will change.
The lager louts would still be drinking aand making themselves a nusiance and the extra drinking time will mean nothing to the hardened drinkers who always make sure of their supplies.
These are the ones who cause longterm damage to themselves and to people around them.

Hazel

Just to change it slightly from today if you have not received your door badge from the SIA you are not allowed to work the doors.
I expect tonight will see many doormen and women who are still awaiting the badge from the SIA to be arrested and because of this it is quite possible the clubs and pubs will have to shut.
So if your planning a night on the town you might have to forget it at some places.
The premises will have to close if they dont get the door staff,and all because the SIA are incompetent and slow in issuing the badges.

Mods, maybe this should be moved into the going out section.:thumbsup:

I think its a great idea socially, but errr, probably not the best idea as I can imagine violence will no doubt go up. But when I am out I always want to stay later than 2.00am but obviously can't!

I think Spar's and other 24 hour places should be able to sell booze 24 hours... Or at least until 4am!

my theory is that after a hectic few months it would pan out like this;

the novelty will wear off for most,

the people that are addicted will die or run out of cash and be bankrupt

everyone else will be able to drink whenever they like.

jobs a gooden!

In Ibiza when I was 17, one of the best things was being able to buy booze anytime of the day!

Most nights after the club (5 - 6am) I normally walked home from San Antonio to San Antonio Bay, and on the way I picked up a pack of Budweisers and sat on the beach outside my hotel with a few mates and waited for the sun to come up..

Memories :D

For me, its not all about the booze, its dance, dance, dance, chat, chat, chat all night etc!!!

Originally posted by 21steve
my theory is that after a hectic few months it would pan out like this;

the novelty will wear off for most,

the people that are addicted will die or run out of cash and be bankrupt

everyone else will be able to drink whenever they like.

jobs a gooden!

I nearly agree.
I disagree with the addicted. For them it will make no difference as they already ensure that they have a ready supply without needing to buy it in the small hours of the morning.

The new Licensing Act is now coming into force. All existing licensed premises must apply for a new license. They have until about November to complete this process. Licenses will now be issued by the local council and not the magistrate's court. Pubs, clubs and bars must stipulate on their application form what their opening hours will be. These hours will be automatically granted, unless there is an objection from the police and/or a local resident.

Premises must also state in their application how they will meet 4 criteria, one of which is the abatement of nuisance (which includes noise pollution). These statements will form part of the actual conditions of the license. Any breach of a condition could lead to a revocation of the license by the local council.

Even if a premise obtains a 24 hour license, it does not necessarily mean that they will remain open non-stop. There are clubs in Manchester, Liverpool and London which don't open (yes, open!) until around 04.00, or even 06.30. They will now be able to apply for a license and serve alcohol - though I suspect myself that they will probably open earlier now that they can apply for a drinks license.

The relaxation and liberalisation of the licensing laws is long overdue. There will no longer be a universal set-time for drinking-up, currently 11.00pm, and a universal chucking-out time. This in turn should see a reduction in the number of drunks fighting in the street, an increased chance of getting a taxi home, and lock-ins should become history. I'll drink to that!

I used to live in Sheffield until I was about 15. I moved to Pensacola, FL. I'm coming home in a few months and just started lurching on this board.

Do Pubs really close around 11-12 o'clock? How on earth are you supposed to get your crunk on in that time frame. We don't usually start going out until 11-12 over here.

Welcome to the forum :wave:

Some bars have late licences but generally pubs close at 11pm!

:D

Originally posted by gmacewan
Do Pubs really close around 11-12 o'clock? How on earth are you supposed to get your crunk on in that time frame. We don't usually start going out until 11-12 over here.
That's what the clubs are for :thumbsup:

whats the average cover charge at clubs around town.?

I'm still trying to get over the fact that we will be paying $11 for a pack of cigs. Re-Dick-U-Lass.

Originally posted by gmacewan
whats the average cover charge at clubs around town.?

I'm still trying to get over the fact that we will be paying $11 for a pack of cigs. Re-Dick-U-Lass.
Isn't out beer cheaper though?

Edit: useful info on Sheffield clubs (http://www.uk-clubbing-directory.co.uk/pages/do_city_listing.asp?cityname=Sheffield)

How much is a pint over there? They don't sell pints over here, but a 12 once bottle is usually $2-$4. But American beer is absolute rat **** anyway. Even imported beer like Newcastle is watered down.

I do beg your puddin' but what on earth is a crunk :confused:

I take it lil'jon is not big over there yet?

Well, I was going to post a hyperlink, but I think the soundtrack to liljononline.com contravenes forum rules :rolleyes:

haha. yes.

Lil'Jon has become quite a cultural phenom over here.
Mainly because of the skits on the chappele show.

Originally posted by gmacewan
Lil'Jon has become quite a cultural phenom over here.

:rolleyes: Open season :D

trust me, I was making that statement with quite a bit of sarcasm in my tone.

That's what the smilies are for :thumbsup:

:confused: really?
I feel so silly now :(

Originally posted by gmacewan
:confused: really?
I feel so silly now :(
:suspect: was that sarcasm too? :confused:

I just can't win for losing can I :wow:

Oh it is indeed possible to get drunk before 11 - take a walk around town on a Friday night and laugh at people laying flat on their face or arguing with lamp posts. 24 hour licencing is coming in sometime soonish I think - they've been on about it that long that I've lost track and beers anything from £2-£4 a pint in town depending where you are.