Do you like Clock Work orange? I think it's a really good film, sick yes but a lot of good films are.

I have to admit that I prefer the Warren Clarke who plays Dalziel in "Dalziel and Pascoe" to the incarnation of Warren Clarke in "A Clockwork Orange"

(Just as an aside... was it Warren Clarke or Malcolm Mc Dowell who sang "Singin' in the rain?" after the horrific assault scene?"

PT

>I have to admit that I prefer the Warren Clarke who plays >Dalziel in "Dalziel and Pascoe" to the incarnation of Warren >Clarke in "A Clockwork Orange"

>(Just as an aside... was it Warren Clarke or Malcolm Mc Dowell >who sang "Singin' in the rain?" after the horrific assault scene?"

>PT

It was Malcolm McDowell

The film is a masterpiece.
I love it personally!

It is one of my favourite films. I was too young to go to see it when first released, but a friend gave me a bootleg copy in the mid-80s. It is surely one of the most stylish, intelligent and poignant films ever made. McDowell is superb as Alex, and Warren Clark plays a wonderful Dim.

I cannot help but laugh at the scene where they are playing "hogs of the road", driving at breakneck speed with Dim going absolutely crazy with excitement as they travel through the night intent upon "Ultraviolence". Of course, sensitive, "civilised" members of humane, liberal society are not supposed to enjoy watching the "real horrorshow" atrocities of the Droogs, or are we? What I like is the film's moral ambivalence, contained in scenes such as the slow-motion shots of Alex kicking and chain-whipping his fellow Droogs into a park lake. The viewer can never be quite sure of whose side Kubrick is really on, in moral terms. Also, to be honest, I have found myself really enjoying the violence which calls into question one's own moral code, and reinforces the belief held by Sociobiologists that beneath the veneer of "culture" and "civilisation", we are all evolved African apes.

is that the one with the cool hats?

Reading Timos posting followed by Natalies made me laugh out loud.

If, by "cool" hats you mean black Bowlers, yes Nat. The Droogs wear those with white boiler suits and heavy boots [DMs, I think]. For a while in the 70s, there were members of the then Shoreham Barmy Army [SUFC] who attended football matches so attired. It didn't go down very well with the Police...

Originally posted by nick2
Reading Timos posting followed by Natalies made me laugh out loud. :D sorry am not in a deep and meaningful mood today. I remember it being my dads fave film. i though the hats were called porkpie hats? should listen to my daddy more! i havent seen it, as it has rude bits in

i hated it.. and i didnt think it was that sick either.... maybe ive just got a high `sick' threashold.

i found none of it funny, i found none of it shocking and i found none of it left in my brain after i reached for the fast forward.

if it wasent banned i doubt it would even be talked about to this day.

:D so to sumarise.....`no'

Clockwork Orange wasn't ever banned (AFAIK) it was withdrawn by Kubrick after a stink about copycat violence.

Rather than end up having to play the apologist for Anthony Burgess, Kubrick simply withdrew the film from distribution and ended the arguments there and then.

Anyone who want to understand the film (including terms like "horrorshow") needs to read the book first (edit) with chapter 21 in it.

Relevant now, more than ever methinks.

Phan is right about this, the book is essential. I read the book a couple of times before I even knew it was a film, and the book is fascinating and very difficult especially as you have to learn Nadsat to understand it.

I wrote a review about the book and have made a mini Nadsat translator, which others have helped with since, here ->

http://www.rocknroll.f9.co.uk/BookReview/orange.htm

I have had lots of feedback and it seems lots of these words are eastern european in origin.

And I also agree about Kubrick withdrawing the film, he only withdrew it in uk because he wanted to protect his family, It was available in the rest of the world.

Yeah, horroshow is a corruption of russian kharasho meaning "top stuff, good, excellent".

A Nadsat translator eh? brilliant.

Kubricks film is a good film (in that Kubrick made it and he always made good films), but as a treatment of the book, it's almost too close to it, and is curiously antiseptic and remote by comparison.

edit -- found this http://www.geocities.com/malcolmtribute/aco/nadsat.html !

I love this film, and it's my other half's favourite film of all time, he's read and re-read the book loads of times.

When we went to Prague, there was a quite a few words that he understood, which took me by surprise (I don't know the film as well as he does) - they were very similar to the words in Clockwork Orange.

Boroughgal,
You amaze me. I'd never had dear old Lappo down as a Droog!

i dont think it was as bad as people made out it was just ahead of its time with its content. not a brilliant story line just differant which when it was made was one of the criterias for films. shock folk and theres your publicity as was the case with the exorcist.

Originally posted by Starman
Do you like Clockwork orange? , sick yes but a lot of good films are.
Sorry but it is not sick. This flilm is nothing but a warning about the future.
It is purely a passionate study of the inadequacy of modern society. This is what will happen when all neighbours are strangers, and every citizen fears their neighburs, because they no longer take the trouble to say hello.

Far from sick, this is a careful and measured warning, as to where we will all finish up, if we watch TV every night , eat our meals alone, and become self centred and selfish.
Most of us are already three quarters of the way there.

it's a bit sick tbh. And a bit strange. Good film to see once though

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I love Clockwork Orange,been a while since i watched it will have to dig it out again.:smile:

What about Eyes Wide Shut got to be one of the worst films ever to be made.