Heard on the radio today about a 12 year old girl who decided to take her parents car for a spin on Christmas Day...

This young girl got caught twice by the Police within the same day :o

What has puzzled me is... The youngster is now 13yrs and has been banned for 2 years... eh! :huh: 2 years ban for what? :? She'll only be 15 when her ban is up and by then she still wont be quite old enough to drive...

The ban should have been until the age of 20 or something... cause her a little frustration... whilst all her other mates are driving round in their flash cars... :P

I think the ban will start when she reaches the 'legal' driving age :huh:

why till 20 and not till 18?????

Originally posted by Deejay
I think the ban will start when she reaches the 'legal' driving age :huh:

I knew there would be a good explaination... but they didnt make it that clear on the radio... they made it sound as if the ban was going to start from the day of her court hearing! :?

Can you be banned from doing something that's illegal anyway?

Makes a mokery or the law ....

I believe it will be 2 years from her 17th Birthday otherwise as Angel said, no point in a ban really is there :shakes: :suspect:

but dont u guys think a 12 year old driving car god heaving puting her life at risk and not only that other lives too.do u have your say on such upbringing or may be the psychological factors or causes behind being independent quite at your age mechanism against her ego

Originally posted by leena
but dont u guys think a 12 year old driving car god heaving puting her life at risk and not only that other lives too.do u have your say on such upbringing or may be the psychological factors or causes behind being independent quite at your age mechanism against her ego

Er.....pardon?

Originally posted by Deejay
I believe it will be 2 years from her 17th Birthday otherwise as Angel said, no point in a ban really is there :shakes: :suspect:

I believe it will start from the day she applies for her first full licence as opposed to from her 17th birthday.

Originally posted by Twiglet
I believe it will start from the day she applies for her first full licence as opposed to from her 17th birthday.

But if she's banned she won't be able to apply for a licence right ? :confused:

Did you also see her chavscum parents on the TV video footage too?
There's no wonder she's an oxygen thief!

It beggars another question.
What are the Social Services doing with this family that allows a girl of 12 to get rat-assed & take their car? - which you can bet is taxpayer funded / mobility / disability.:loopy:

I must admit I find this ban most bizarre. It's totally pointless.

Originally posted by Deejay
I believe it will be 2 years from her 17th Birthday otherwise as Angel said, no point in a ban really is there :shakes: :suspect:

I'm not sure. I thought the ban would have commenced from the date of conviction but yes there seems little point, except that when she does come to insure her first car she will have it on her record, parhaps?

Originally posted by leena
but dont u guys think a 12 year old driving car god heaving puting her life at risk and not only that other lives too.do u have your say on such upbringing or may be the psychological factors or causes behind being independent quite at your age mechanism against her ego

Good to see that creative writing course finally paid off!

Mobile phones certainly have a lot to answer for :)

Originally posted by leena
but dont u guys think a 12 year old driving car god heaving puting her life at risk and not only that other lives too.do u have your say on such upbringing or may be the psychological factors or causes behind being independent quite at your age mechanism against her ego
yeah but no but yeah but, right, well you know like, anyway innit cos she said summink like that.

Are you trying to say - 'it wasn't the girl's fault' ?

Originally posted by Don_Kiddick
yeah but no but yeah but, right, well you know like, anyway innit cos she said summink like that.

Are you trying to say - 'it wasn't the girl's fault' ?

Of course, it's Vicky Pollard in person!

Don't go givin' me evils! :D

I had the biggest laugh of the year when The Daily Telegraph ran the story. Why? Because her aunt (might be a misspelling there) said: She only did it for a laugh!

What the judge has basically said is: I can't do anything but hey, it'd be nice to see you in here again soon.

IT wants putting out of its misery if you ask me.

Originally posted by Lickszz
I'm not sure. I thought the ban would have commenced from the date of conviction but yes there seems little point, except that when she does come to insure her first car she will have it on her record, parhaps?

It defintely isn'tfrom the day of the conviction, you can't ban someone who can't legally drive. If you are given points e.g. for speeding, say when you are learning, they are put on your permanant licence when you get it. The person supervising you (i.e. your driving instructor) is also given points.

I'm just unsure as to whether it is from your 17th birthday or when you apply for your first full licence. If its from the 17th birthday it would have been pointless for me as I didn't start learning to drive until I was 20. And again in theory, it would be banning someone who cannot legally drive (without supervision).

I tried googling it but couldn't find anything.

To be honest although it seems pretty pointless, she will have extortionate insurance premiums for decades, if not the rest of her life so she may not be able to afford to drive anyway.

Originally posted by Twiglet
you can't ban someone who can't legally drive.

Yes you can. I've had (reformed) pupils who have had bans before they passed a driving test

Originally posted by Twiglet
If you are given points e.g. for speeding, say when you are learning, they are put on your permanant licence when you get it. The person supervising you (i.e. your driving instructor) is also given points.

Almost right. Points obtained whilst a provisional licence holder are put on the licence at that time, and then carried forward onto the full licence. The supervising driver would not be convicted of the speeding offence (or whatever) but would be convicted of 'aiding and abetting'.

Originally posted by Saxon
Yes you can. I've had (reformed) pupils who have had bans before they passed a driving test



Almost right. Points obtained whilst a provisional licence holder are put on the licence at that time, and then carried forward onto the full licence. The supervising driver would not be convicted of the speeding offence (or whatever) but would be convicted of 'aiding and abetting'.

what's the point of the ban then? It's like taking a murder and telling them that they are banned from murdering?

It's already illegal for her to drive, why the hell should a ban on something she's not allowed to do anyway have any effect.

Originally posted by Cyclone
what's the point of the ban then? It's like taking a murder and telling them that they are banned from murdering?

It's already illegal for her to drive, why the hell should a ban on something she's not allowed to do anyway have any effect.

I'm not talking about this case in particular, Cyclone.

But one of my ex-pupils (now passed the driving test) was a bit of a wrong 'un (twoccing, no insurance etc) when he was learning to drive the first time and received a 2 year ban, which effectively stopped him learning to drive for that length of time.

Originally posted by Saxon
I'm not talking about this case in particular, Cyclone.

But one of my ex-pupils (now passed the driving test) was a bit of a wrong 'un (twoccing, no insurance etc) when he was learning to drive the first time and received a 2 year ban, which effectively stopped him learning to drive for that length of time.

oh okay, so he lost his provisional license and couldn't have it back until the ban had passed, that makes sense.

How does it work with someone under 17 though (I think that's what was meant by the question)?

Originally posted by Cyclone
How does it work with someone under 17 though (I think that's what was meant by the question)?

Don't know yet but I'm trying to find out

The ban is mandatory regardless of age. The girl can still apply for a driving license when she is 17 and maybe will still get one. There are quite a few youngsters that have been banned for car thefts etc etc . I know 3 that this has happened to, They are just 17 now, But, They are now driving quite legally

And here's me thinking the law is an ass!

It seems a bit like me being banned from piloting the space shuttle. for two years. Wow, what a punishment that would be. How would I ever get over it!?

On second thoughts,...yes...the law IS an ass.:loopy:

The problem is, Judges need to be brought up to date with society, They are out of touch. We have so many Laws, Even Laws that contradict Laws, Then we have the civil liberties, Not to mention all the other organizations that exist to help and promote crime, To care for the offender, Easy going jails. Youth custody that the youth actually enjoy. It is time that we came down hard on the criminal. Especially when the crime affects or injures others. We should stop worrying about overcrowded jails. Cram them up three in a bed if need be. We need a detterent. We need crims to say " F,,,,c that I am never going back ". But this will never be. Me I would let them riot in jails. I would add time on for bad behaviour not take it off for good. I would let them live in their own filth if they did not do the cleaning. Yet we supply cleaners and other services to prisons, Types of services they once did for themselves. I wish I was in charge, I would soon cut the prison population.

But Rodgers, didn't you realise that its our fault these poor people do these things. It's society's fault....honest......it must be......well-paid experts tell us so:loopy:

It is our duty to share what we have worked for and earned with these criminals. Woops, did I say 'criminals'? I meant victims of society.....honest I did!

Now I'm making us feel guilty aren't I. Think I'll leave my car unlocked tonight so some unemployable scrounger.....er, sorry I mean deprived person.........can have it. I mean, that's my duty isn't it. And I might even hang around so that he can punch me. No, maybe not, he might bruise his knuckles and have to sue me. Then I'd have to work longer hours to pay the compensation .........:rant:

Spot on Markham'.. Despite what the Home Office have said regarding burglars etc. Or the fact that Police have tried to tell us what we can and cannot do. The criminals. Or as you say the disadvantaged, The one's that never had a chance, Will still have the advantage over us, Maybe some day we will meet a criminal that will say he was afraid of prison, Though I doubt it. I asked a local copper, What would happen if I slammed the window down on someone that was trying to get through it. He said, I must prove that he was trying to burgal me. That till he was all the way in the house he had not committed a crime. Bul sh.. to that I say. He even said that the guy would be able to claim against me if he was not killed. My answer was to say that OK I would pull him all the way in then stamp on him. I have no faith left in our judicial system anymore. We see far too much crime, Far too many people fighting at great expence for the criminal. We have the race card being shoved in our faces. NO_One dare tell us the true crime figures. But we all know of a serious crime that has happened to someone that we know. Never used to be like this. Well I am off to bed now... But... I will not lose sleep over these scum bags. Nite all

I said very similar yesterday when the revered police officer was saying on TV that chasing after a burgler & t**tting him was unreasonable force.

So you chase him/ her anyway, t*att them - properly.
Bring them back into your property so
"they never actually left :heyhey:"

Over the weekend I read about some prison inmates who had absconded. Well, they were apparently given time to leave the prison premises (!) - a bit like a lunch hour - which in itself is staggering.

But what miffed the prison guards was the fact that the 'prisoners' (I prefer the word client or guest) were using that time to pop down to Tesco's to buy beer and salmon!

So apart from having the freedom to come and go as they wish, they've also got money to buy beer and food!

I must see if Her Majesty's Prisons are doing a Gold Credit Card. I reckon its APR will be a pretty good rate.

Doesn't this tell you everything you need to know about the punishment of being sent to prison?

Originally posted by Ousetunes


Doesn't this tell you everything you need to know about the punishment of being sent to prison?

No. This has been debated before and it's clear that different people view prison differently. I had a friend who was sent down for 6 months (unjustly and had the conviction quashed on appeal) and his life fell apart on his release. He went in 2 years from being a soldier in the army, married with a nice house and 2 cars - to be being unemployed, divorced and living in the back of a car.

Anybody got any statistics on suicides in prison btw?

Originally posted by leena
but dont u guys think a 12 year old driving car god heaving puting her life at risk and not only that other lives too.do u have your say on such upbringing or may be the psychological factors or causes behind being independent quite at your age mechanism against her ego

Some excellent points, well made.

Originally posted by TracieJC
Some excellent points, well made.

You mean you actually understood her posting?????

Originally posted by Clumber
You mean you actually understood her posting?????

LOL no, my reply was very much tongue in cheek :P I have no idea what she is going on about :hihi: