So what do you think is a record that will never be broken no matter what? Personally a really can't see anyone beating Ronnie O'Sullivans 5min 20 second 147 break.

But i'm sure there's plenty more.........................

Good thread.

I think Hendry's 7 modern day world titles will be tough to beat also, in this day and age the game is that competitive that no one player can seem to totally dominate.


Oldest heavyweight world champion - George Foreman, 45 years old.

I agree with the Hendry's 7 world titles, like you said i can't see anyone being that dominate again.

As for the boxing one, i wouldn't like to discount a 45+ Mike Tyson / Evander Holyfeild making a come back and winning one of the lesser world titles, especially if the heavy weight division has the lack of talent it has at the mo.

With all the new rules and regulations coming in to F1, i doubt most of last seasons lap records will ever be beaten.

Originally posted by mr craig

As for the boxing one, i wouldn't like to discount a 45+ Mike Tyson / Evander Holyfeild making a come back and winning one of the lesser world titles, especially if the heavy weight division has the lack of talent it has at the mo.

The trouble is Holyfield is done I believe. He has only won 3 out of his last 10 matches and has nothing more to offer. I think he is no longer permitted to fight in America and could have his licence revoked all together.

I can't see Tyson ever coming back into the frame either, His lost to journeyman Williams sealed his fate. He no longer has the motivation and his a 3 round fighter.

However, he does carry a punch and should he get a shot that would be his only chance. When George Foreman becomes the oldest heavyweight champion he was getting thoroughly out boxed until he landed the big one against Moorer who had a totally glass chin. I just can't see Tyson getting a title shot when he is 45.

Michael Schumacher's awesome records across the board in F1 - once he finally retires I doubt we'll ever see anyone with that level of talent and ability, especially not in a car as fine and dominant as Ferrari have been (and are).

Unfortunately with all the rules to slow down F1 coming on ( :loopy: ) I'd have to agree with vidster, looks like the lap records from last season are here to stay.

the world record for the 100m gets broken now and again but there has to be a time when it cant be bettered, i mean it cant keep going down. I suppose thats for all athletics events, but 100m is the shortest and hardest to keep bettering.

Re: the 100m.

This is an interesting one because it is such a simple contest. Yes the time has been going down but each improvement on the record is, generally, smaller and smaller.

So the improvements can be made infinitely, providing the timekeeping is accurate enough, and accuracy continues to improve.

At some point though, this may reach an indivisible amount of time (if such a thing exists) at which point the record will be frozen until someone significantly betters it.

As we move towards a world of genetically and pharmacologically enhanced athletes, I wouldn't be surprised to see all the sporting records broken, cutting today's superlative times/heights/lengths/endurance in half.

I forsee two sets of games - the enhanced and the unenhanced.

The enhanced will become an advertising arena for those selling body modifications (super ATP, hyperhaemoglobin, superior endorphin glands etc).

The unenhanced version will become progressively more left-field and 'straight edge - watched only by the anoraks and luddites amongst us.

The 100m was an obvious choice but I'm not totally convinced that whenever the record as been broken over the last 15 years that it's been without the aid of performance enhancing drugs. Therefore one of the most magical records on earth seems somewhat unimportant to me for that reason.

Lance Armstrong has won six (6) Tour de france's on the bounce as well, and he aint done yet.
That is an awesome perfermance by any one's standard, and there isn't any one on the horizon who can match that (yet)..

John t

Originally posted by craigb
Michael Schumacher's awesome records across the board in F1 - once he finally retires I doubt we'll ever see anyone with that level of talent and ability, especially not in a car as fine and dominant as Ferrari have been (and are).....

I'll always have a problem with Schumacher's records.

In such a dominant car i'd like to have seen him tested against a comparable team mate (ie Senna v's Prost in the early 90's McLaren). Both having the same level of commitment from their team, whilst both being hugely talented.

IMO Schumey's not had a serious challenger (from within the same team or another) to put pressure on him, race after race after race, for years.

Been giving this some thought and come up with a couple more possibles.

Dixie Dean scoring 60 goals in a season.

Someone ski-jumping less in the winter olympics than Eddie 'The eagle' Edwards. :D

Are there so many unbeatable sports records. Almost any of the season or lifetime records in cricket are out-of-sight due to the huge cut back in the first-class program. (from 32 county games in the 1960's to 16 now)

So, no one will ever break...

197 lifetime centuries, Jack Hobbs
61,237 lifetime runs, Jack Hobbes
18 centuries, one sean, Denis Compton
3,816 runs, one season, Denis Compton
4,187 career wicket, Wilffred Rhodes

Originally posted by Ginner
I'll always have a problem with Schumacher's records.

In such a dominant car i'd like to have seen him tested against a comparable team mate (ie Senna v's Prost in the early 90's McLaren). Both having the same level of commitment from their team, whilst both being hugely talented.

IMO Schumey's not had a serious challenger (from within the same team or another) to put pressure on him, race after race after race, for years.
This always makes me smile - people tend to forget that when Schumey joined Ferrari they were fairly average going on poor as a team and the car was fairly middle of the grid.

It is the work, effort and awesome talent of MS, along with the dev. team at Ferrari that have turned it into the dominant force it is today.

The fact that they are rarely challenged is not Ferrari's fault - they are simply doing the best they can. The focus should be on the other big teams to catch them as Ferrari did to them years ago.

The F1 rules being changed to "make it more interesting" is stupid - slowing down the cars is against the whole point of F1 as a sport (the fastest cars with the best drivers and top-of-the-range materials and technologies).

Put it this way - you don't see the FA, UEFA or FIFA overhauling the rules of football to stop the dominance of Man U, Arsenal and Chelsea. Why? Because the point it not to pull them back but for the others to go forwards.

Rant over :cool:

Originally posted by craigb
This always makes me smile - people tend to forget that when Schumey joined Ferrari they were fairly average going on poor as a team and the car was fairly middle of the grid.

It is the work, effort and awesome talent of MS, along with the dev. team at Ferrari that have turned it into the dominant force it is today.

The fact that they are rarely challenged is not Ferrari's fault - they are simply doing the best they can. The focus should be on the other big teams to catch them as Ferrari did to them years ago.
You missed my point mate....
Originally posted by Ginner
....In such a dominant car i'd like to have seen him tested against a comparable team mate (ie Senna v's Prost in the early 90's McLaren). Both having the same level of commitment from their team, whilst both being hugely talented.

IMO Schumey's not had a serious challenger (from within the same team or another) to put pressure on him, race after race after race, for years....

I don't doubt Schumacher's driving and car development skills, and do not underestimate his impact on Ferrari's success.

My point was that the records he has set, (most poles, most victories and championships etc etc) have been done at a time when he has not had a serious challenger in the form of another driver and/or team.

We'll always wonder how he would have done against Senna in the same team.

To me, the greatest feat of F1 driving will always have taken place over the 1st lap at Donnington 1993.

I have a copy of the Waddle/Hoddle classic "Diamond Lights".

At some point I had it bound in sponge then laminated. Now that is an unbreakable sporting record!!!

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Michael Johnson running 19.32 for the 200m

Michael Johnson running 43.19 for 400m.

Marita Koch running 47.60 for 400m.


In a drug free environment I can't see these been broken either.

Originally posted by Lickszz
Michael Johnson running 19.32 for the 200m

Michael Johnson running 43.19 for 400m.

Marita Koch running 47.60 for 400m.


In a drug free environment I can't see these been broken either.

That may be so, but can you see there ever being a drug free environment in world athletics?

I don't think you can ever say a record wont be broken, but I think Michael Johnson's 200 metre record is the best by quite a long way at the moment and might not be broken for 50 years.

It's never going to be drug free. Athletics is something that I've always followed and I've somewhat gradually lost interest over the years because of cheating.


The womens 400m time is amazing. Nobody has got near that. The best time for 2005 so far is 52.75

Just to bump this thread back up....

After watch Bolt and Pheleps set 10 world records between them at the Olympics i wonder if any records are safe.

Is its down to athletes getting better/stronger or human evolution or better training/diet or just freaks of nature??

Just to bump this thread back up....

After watch Bolt and Pheleps set 10 world records between them at the Olympics i wonder if any records are safe.

Is its down to athletes getting better/stronger or human evolution or better training/diet or just freaks of nature??

In the case of swimming it's almost entirely down to improvements in equipment, causing less water resistance.

In the case of Usain Bolt, it's just a freak, as Johnson himself was.

Records tend to become "unbreakable" when there are changes in the rules, or the way the game is played - as mentioned above in cricket, and as also applies to baseball .. or to Uwe Hohn's 101-metre javelin throw, which prompted changes to the design of the javelin to prevent people lobbing it into the crowd on the other side of the stadium. :hihi: Records that we think are unbreakable because of how incredibly good the guy who set it was .. always get broken.

Jonathan Edwards triple jump world record of 18.29 m will not go for a long time I would have thought!

Mike Tyson being the youngest heavyweight champion at 20. I don't think that will be beaten.

Tiger Woods record winning margin at a major-15 shots U.S Open.

Jim Laker's 19-wicket haul for 90 runs against the Aussies at Old Trafford in 1956. If any sporting record is unbreakable, I reckon that is. Figures of 9 for 37 and 10 for 53 says it all.

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Don Bradman's records

Highest career batting average (minimum 20 innings): 99.94
Highest series batting average (5 Test series): 201.50 (1931–32)
Highest ratio of centuries per innings played: 36.25% (29 centuries from 80 innings)
Highest 5th wicket partnership: 405 (with Sid Barnes, 1946–47)
Highest 6th wicket partnership: 346 (with Jack Fingleton, 1936–37)
Highest score by a number 5 batsman: 304 (1934)
Highest score by a number 7 batsman: 270 (1936–37)
Most runs against one opponent: 5,028 (v England)
Most runs in one series: 974 (1930)
Most centuries scored in a single session of play: 6 (1 pre lunch, 2 lunch-tea, 3 tea-stumps)
Most runs in one day’s play: 309 (1930)
Most double centuries: 12[216]
Most double centuries in a series: 3 (1930)[217]
Most triple centuries: 2 (equal with Brian Lara and Virender Sehwag)[218]
Most consecutive matches in which he made a century: 6 (the last three Tests in 1936–37, and the first three Tests in 1938)[


Also batting average 99.94 in test matches. Apparently if he'd hit like 1 more 6 it'd've been 100! gutted.

Also batting average 99.94 in test matches. Apparently if he'd hit like 1 more 6 it'd've been 100! gutted.


He needed six (or was it only four?) runs in his final Test innings. He was bowled for a duck.

The 'All Madagascar' 200 mile point to point Dodo racing record (whatever that is).

Mike Tyson being the youngest heavyweight champion at 20. I don't think that will be beaten.

It's a good record, but Tyson wasn't that much younger than a number of other young heavyweight champions:

Floyd Patterson 21
Muhammed Ali 22
George Foreman 23
Joe Louis 23

So I'm not totally convinced that Tyson's record will never be broken.

It should also be noted that Ali had the much tougher proposition of beating the extremely hard hitting Sonny Liston, who knocked out Floyd Patterson in the first round twice in a row, just prior to his Ali fight.

Tyson on the other hand faced the unremarkable Trevor Berbick.
Most fully expected Tyson to beat Berbick, unlike Ali who was the firm underdog against Liston .

Roger Federer and Bjorn Bjorg's 5 in a row at Wimbledon. Might be beaten but won't be for ages.

Arbroath 36-0 Bon Accord. Highest scoring match in Scottish Senior football history.

On the same day Dundee Harp beat Aberdeen Rovers 35-0.

I can't see this record being beaten.

Arbroath 36-0 Bon Accord. Highest scoring match in Scottish Senior football history.

On the same day Dundee Harp beat Aberdeen Rovers 35-0.

I can't see this record being beaten.
Its stood for 123 years, so it looks pretty unlikely to be broken. But in Scottish football, who knows.

And south of the border, Preston North End beat Hyde Utd 26-0 in 1887.

And there must be local league soccer with even bigger victories or defeats than 36-0.

Its stood for 123 years, so it looks pretty unlikely to be broken. But in Scottish football, who knows.

And south of the border, Preston North End beat Hyde Utd 26-0 in 1887.

And there must be local league soccer with even bigger victories or defeats than 36-0.

Can't see either the English or Scottish records being broken.

There will be bigger local league scores but how far down the ladder do you go - pub sides, games in the parks with your mates etc. The quality of the footballers when these records were made were probably on a par with local league soccer but they were still senior football tournaments.

Can't see either the English or Scottish records being broken.

There will be bigger local league scores but how far down the ladder do you go


Fair point. On the other hand if you go up the ladder, there must be a fair to middling chance of 36-0 being broken in an international match, sooner or later. (Yes, a lot of international sides are of no greater quality than your average pot-bellied badly-hungover Sunday team, but an international is still classed as higher importance than a league, even when it's Tuvalu versus Bhutan.)

Fair point. On the other hand if you go up the ladder, there must be a fair to middling chance of 36-0 being broken in an international match, sooner or later. (Yes, a lot of international sides are of no greater quality than your average pot-bellied badly-hungover Sunday team, but an international is still classed as higher importance than a league, even when it's Tuvalu versus Bhutan.)

Yes it's true. Internationals are the only serious football matches where any of these records can be broken. Maybe some tinpot leagues in Macedonia or Azerbaijan as well but they aren't really interesting.

Im going to say LA's record of 7 Tour de France wins in a row ( 1999 - 2005 ) will never be broken.

As for the 100m im sure at some point a time will be set that will just never be beaten, now im sure Usain Bolt could have done a 9.49 if he had not done a spot of show boating in the Olympic Final but will we ever see a 8.99 for the 100m.

Im going to say LA's record of 7 Tour de France wins in a row ( 1999 - 2005 ) will never be broken.


Depends if they invent another untestable drug, really.

It's a good record, but Tyson wasn't that much younger than a number of other young heavyweight champions:

Floyd Patterson 21
Muhammed Ali 22
George Foreman 23
Joe Louis 23

So I'm not totally convinced that Tyson's record will never be broken.

It should also be noted that Ali had the much tougher proposition of beating the extremely hard hitting Sonny Liston, who knocked out Floyd Patterson in the first round twice in a row, just prior to his Ali fight.

Tyson on the other hand faced the unremarkable Trevor Berbick.
Most fully expected Tyson to beat Berbick, unlike Ali who was the firm underdog against Liston .


That's a good point Kingmaker- my point was more in relation to the circumstances today, the lack of good heavyweights etc. In Tyson's time, there were still some good heavyweights out there- many of whom Tyson beat(before he fell apart after the Douglas fight). Of course it would have been great to have seen a peak Tyson v Holyfield/Lewis.

I won't argue about Ali, he is one of my heroes in life and from a sporting view, he no doubt was awesome when he beat the big ugly bear Sonny Liston.

That's a good point Kingmaker- my point was more in relation to the circumstances today, the lack of good heavyweights etc.

I agree, there aren't the same calibre of fighters today, but that can change quickly with the emergence of a new talent from somewhere.
I mean Tyson came from nowhere, and then was quickly followed by Holyfield, Bowe and Lewis.

I suppose you could argue that it would be easier for a young talent to make a breakthrough today, because of the lack of real quality in the heavyweight division.

The only recent heavyweight boxer that briefly excited me was Lamon Brewster, now he could punch, and had undestimated hand speed and accuracy, his lack of a good defence and poor health ultimately made his WBO reign a short one.

I remember when just about everyone thought that Golota would beat Brewster, and I was the one lone voice arguing that Brewster would beat Golota. Well Brewster did the job in about 60 seconds of the first round, and off I went to collect my winnings from the bookies who gave me 3/1 against Brewster! (On a 2 horse race are they mugs!:hihi: Mind you I also took 3/1 against, on Barrera when he taught Naseem Hamed a boxing lesson!;)).

So it's not entirely impossible to see someone of Brewster's ilke rise again and take the world by storm just like Tyson did in the eighties.

Unbreakable records? Easy, the Undertaker's winning streak at Wrestlemania events, he's won every year without fail since Wrestlemania 7, and will continue to win till he retires.

Unbreakable records? Easy, the Undertaker's winning streak at Wrestlemania events, he's won every year without fail since Wrestlemania 7, and will continue to win till he retires.

We're talking about sports, not soap operas.

We're talking about sports, not soap operas.
To be fair there's more skill involved than that. He's obviously won the coin toss for seven years straight. That can't be just luck.

Unbreakable records? Easy, the Undertaker's winning streak at Wrestlemania events, he's won every year without fail since Wrestlemania 7, and will continue to win till he retires.

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This is a sports thread, not a entertainment thread son.

As for other unbreakable records, Efren Reyes went 10 years without losing a single one pocket tournament, no one will ever do that again.

Just to bump this thread back up....

After watch Bolt and Pheleps set 10 world records between them at the Olympics i wonder if any records are safe.

Is its down to athletes getting better/stronger or human evolution or better training/diet or just freaks of nature??

Someone earlier mentioned Marita Koch's records...and I guess we should add Flo-Jo - difficult to see these chemically produced records getting broken, but Bolt's performance suggests almost anything is possible. Perhaps the 100 metres record could go down to 9.5.

For genuine records - the mens long jump is way out of reach for current althletes.

The only record I believe to be totally out of reach for genuine reasons of brilliance rather than a change in the sport, is Don Bradmans career test batting average - no one will get anywhere near it....ever.

Dixie Dean, 60 league goals in a season for Everton. Cant see this one being broken.

Just to bump this thread back up....

After watch Bolt and Pheleps set 10 world records between them at the Olympics i wonder if any records are safe.

Is its down to athletes getting better/stronger or human evolution or better training/diet or just freaks of nature??

Someone made a quote on the T.V.,who I know not, but the reason a lot of swimming records were being broken was because the depth of the pool was 3 mtrs.Which is deeper than the norm (apparently) thus creating less turbulance.

Someone made a quote on the T.V.,who I know not, but the reason a lot of swimming records were being broken was because the depth of the pool was 3 mtrs.Which is deeper than the norm (apparently) thus creating less turbulance.

That's part of it; wide pools with extra lanes to prevent turbulence from waves "bouncing back" from the sides of the pool is another part; the improved materials for clothing is yet another.

Someone earlier mentioned Marita Koch's records...and I guess we should add Flo-Jo - difficult to see these chemically produced records getting broken, but Bolt's performance suggests almost anything is possible. Perhaps the 100 metres record could go down to 9.5.

For genuine records - the mens long jump is way out of reach for current althletes.

The only record I believe to be totally out of reach for genuine reasons of brilliance rather than a change in the sport, is Don Bradmans career test batting average - no one will get anywhere near it....ever.
Another record that might never get beaten is Muralitharan's tally of Test wickets - which will be at least 900 and maybe over 1,000 by the time his Test career ends.

Another record that might never get beaten is Muralitharan's tally of Test wickets - which will be at least 900 and maybe over 1,000 by the time his Test career ends.

Batters are generally considered to be in the ascendancy in the modern game so I think this will turn it out to be true.

I don't thnk Jonathon Edwards' 18.29m triple jump record will go for many years, the best in 2007 was 17.90m

There are three that stands out to me.

1. Wilt Chamberlain's 100 pts. in a single game.
2. Muhammad Ali's three - time heavyweight championship, and lastly
3. Bobby Fischer's 6- 0 shutouts of both Bent Larsen and Mark Taimanov in 1971 chess candidates matches where he disposed both players in only 6 games apiece.

Dixie Dean, 60 league goals in a season for Everton. Cant see this one being broken.
Just wait while Darren Bent gets going this season:D

There are three that stands out to me.

2. Muhammad Ali's three - time heavyweight championship



Holyfield won the heavyweight championship four times - admittedly in various different guises, since it's almost impossible now for anyone to be the unanimous heavyweight champ.

And (3) chess is not a sport. It's a mental activity, not a physical one.

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There are three that stands out to me.

1. Wilt Chamberlain's 100 pts. in a single game.
2. Muhammad Ali's three - time heavyweight championship, and lastly
3. Bobby Fischer's 6- 0 shutouts of both Bent Larsen and Mark Taimanov in 1971 chess candidates matches where he disposed both players in only 6 games apiece.

Evander Holyfield has broken that record by becoming the only heavyweight boxer in history to win the heavyweight title 4 times.

Missed your post Heyesey, apologies.

Winning the title multiple times is a rather strange record to evaulate, because although a worthy achievement, it also means you have to lose your title three times in order to win it four times!

If a great heavyweight champion never loses his title then he'll never beat Evander Holyfield's record.;)

I wonder if Derby County's record low of 11 points in the Premiership will ever be broken.

Valentino Rossi has some awesome records. The only man to have won world titles on 125cc, 250cc 500cc, 990cc and 800cc bikes. holds the all time record for 70 premier class wins. most podiums in premier class with 112, most podiums in a season with 16 podiums in 2003 and 2005. most fastest laps in a season with 12 in 2003. It's worth noting he's never been beaten on a 4 stroke bike at Mugello

As for every other record he's second or joint first and still going strong!

has to be Phil Taylor