Anyone been down here recently? Just curious as to how popular it is at the moment and what sort of patrons it has as not been in for many years.......used to be my local back in the 80's, or rather, the NEAREST pub to my house at the time....

The lease is up for sale and I'm not too sure if it's actually open at present.

(No doubt it will soon make way for more 'luxury' apartments....)

Why you after another pub GF? :P

The lease is up for sale and I'm not too sure if it's actually open at present.

(No doubt it will soon make way for more 'luxury' apartments....)

I know......just wondered about how popular it was these days....its a 300 year old property you know and unlikely to be demolished for housing

Why you after another pub GF? :P
..eventually I plan to have a whole portfolio of pubs and maybe form a small pub co.......not parting with the Dove and Rainbow though its proved to be a winner beyond all original highest expectations.

The Plough is still open. Customers are surprisingly few considering the catchment area......but the pub definitely needs a good overhaul inside, as all the furniture is tatty and threadbare.

Also the 'entertainment' offered is a little sparse. No Sky, so no-one in on football days. The quizzes are okay, but aimed at a demographic slightly older than average (I'm 42, and often the quizzes contain questions about popular culture from a time before I can remember - so any youngsters are well out of it).

It is a pub with potential though.

Ade

Whats fascinating is the fact that most of the ceiling in this pub is false, and hangs on chains from the original roof one floor above, leaving only a tiny living area upstairs as you cant walk on half of the upper floors as they are 'false'. Needs a lot of money spending on it to put back the original floors......

.....it was totally ripped apart in 1982 to become a Whitbread 'fun' pub, featuring a huge Plough suspended from the roof, all black or very dark brown walls, curious raised seating up iron spiral staircases, etc..very popular in the 80's, so why they decided to try and put it back to how it was pre 1982 I have no idea........in fact anyone who has any snaps taken in here between 82 and 87, those years when it was a huge cavernous and dark 'fun pub', let me know as want to see it again like that....

I remember it with the 'upstairs' room, and how busy it used to be. I also remember not too many years ago when the bar was split into two.

Personally I like the long bar - but the pub as a whole needs a revamp.

Anyhow, it's cheap beer tonight (by the Plough standards!), and shots too :)

Tried to go up there for lunch on Friday but a Guy called Mark who answered the phone said they were closed!!

Yes, they closed last Monday. The people who had it wanted out, and are no longer running the pub. There was talk of a manager being brought in by the brewery to run it until new tenants/owners/whatever are found, but that hasn't happened yet.

Ade

Yes, they closed last Monday. The people who had it wanted out, and are no longer running the pub. There was talk of a manager being brought in by the brewery to run it until new tenants/owners/whatever are found, but that hasn't happened yet.
Ade

Most strange as there is 1500 worth of stock still in the cellar.....I would have kept it open and sold off all the stock before it went out of date.....the lease has been withdrawn from private sale now due to some legal issues with Enterprize......

I dont remember the UPSTAIRS bar? What period was that? I do remember some balcony with a spiral staircase in the 1980's though, but did not know there was a bar upstairs

Hi,

I can see I wasn't clear enough about the upstairs bit - it was an upstairs area from the staircase as you remember - there was no bar in that bit.

Whatever has gone on between the previous people and the brewery, I hope it gets sorted soon so that the place re-opens - I#m missing the convenience of my local :(

Ade

Hi,

I can see I wasn't clear enough about the upstairs bit - it was an upstairs area from the staircase as you remember - there was no bar in that bit.
Whatever has gone on between the previous people and the brewery, I hope it gets sorted soon so that the place re-opens - I#m missing the convenience of my local :(

Ade

Ah yes I remember now from the mid 80's.......when did that section vanish was it a recent refurb?

We had a CAMRA branch meeting in there only about a month ago and it seemed a reasonable pub, and they looked after us quite well.

Always used to have far and away the best selection of real ales in Crosspool.

Can anyone describe the layout when it became a 'fun pub' in 1982 to around 1987/88? I believe it was all painted dark brown with loads of coloured spotlights, cutaway ceiling areas, chains hanging from the roof, wooden floors, a bar with 50 p coins set under glass layers, etc.......been trying to find some pix as I practically lived in there 82 to 86, it was one of my 2 'locals' being midway between my house and the Rising Sun at Nethergreen.

A long time ago that!!! I was in quite often too, back then.

I remember the bar like that - a long bar like now, and at the rear was the stairway up to the small balcony area.

Since then it was redone to be 2 rooms, with a bar facing to the front and another facing to the back; both small bars. From what I've been told, when the current brewery took over, they consulted the locals who said they liked the 2 bar system, and promptly ignored them to bring back a long bar.

I like the bar the way it is, but for the pub as a whole there needs to be some major redecoration and removal of tatty, threadbare furniture and stuff.

Ade

I like the bar the way it is, but for the pub as a whole there needs to be some major redecoration and removal of tatty, threadbare furniture and stuff.
Ade

Agreed... It will never work with its present tired Pensioners' living room look..... its future lies with a very radical and complete transformation like Whitbread did in 1982.....the demographics of this area have changed drastically in the last 15 years and no one in this area has latched on to that fact at all, still catering for a market based very much in the 1990's that has effectively ebbed away to nothing....Watch this space, you never know what may happen........

Agree totally that new ideas need to be applied to get people in. It's a good sized pub, reasonable parking, and should be able to attract custom. But it hasn't been, and that needs addressing.

Ade

The Plough is in a lovely location. I'd guess the view from the upstairs rooms over the cricket/football ground and beyond toward Ringinglow is lovely. I know from when I've been in Hallam FC's ground that it feels like a little piece of heaven (this on a summer's evening of course).

So why doesn't the pub have stronger ties with the World's Oldest Football Ground? If this is indeed a true claim, then it's one worth boasting and using to full effect in a marketing sense. Also, isn't Hallam FC supposed to be world's second oldest football club - after Sheffield FC? These are things that could put such a pub on the map and yet the pub sits screened off from the ground by an outer perimeter wall (and Sandygate Road).

The football club and pub should work together and provide something unique.

The Plough is in a lovely location. I'd guess the view from the upstairs rooms over the cricket/football ground and beyond toward Ringinglow is lovely. I know from when I've been in Hallam FC's ground that it feels like a little piece of heaven (this on a summer's evening of course).

The football club and pub should work together and provide something unique.

Hallam FC are a very private organization and want nothing to do with the pub, this has been investigated. They have their own bar and catering facilities too. Successive Managers here have tried to work out deals with the club and failed as hallam FC are notorious for being fiercely independent.

This pub does fairly well on match days with fans, a weekly event, or at least it did before it closed down. The previous Manager removed SKY TV though, presumably as it the cost is sky high (no pun intended) for screen Sky Sports channels.

Agreed, superb location, and very interesting demographics. All the people I have spoken too who WERE regulars have all said one thing in common.....a succession of inexperienced or 'pathetic' Publicans/Tenants with no understanding of the area have destroyed all trade systematically over the last few years. I understand one of the recent licensees (having come from a pub in a far less salubrious district) ended up barring most of his former regular trade as he thought many of them were 'upper class twits.'... Not the BEST way to run a pub business, barring should always be a last resort, especially if such persons form the bread and butter of the business, and even more especially if they have considerable spending power.

This pub does fairly well on match days with fans, a weekly event, or at least it did before it closed down. The previous Manager removed SKY TV though, presumably as it the cost is sky high (no pun intended) for screen Sky Sports channels.

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As you are probably aware goldenfleece but i will point out for others, the minimum payment for Sky is £400 per month. It is based on your businesses 'Rateable Value'.

To clear the £400 in profit you would want to pay for its self, you would need to increase sales by approx 2k, so you would want sky matches to contribute at least £500 a week to your takings.

As you are probably aware goldenfleece but i will point out for others, the minimum payment for Sky is £400 per month. It is based on your businesses 'Rateable Value'.

To clear the £400 in profit you would want to pay for its self, you would need to increase sales by approx 2k, so you would want sky matches to contribute at least £500 a week to your takings.

Never going to happen there, there are pubs with Sky sports only 5 minutes away, waste of money and not the way forward these days. I know a few pubs losing money who have expensive Sky Sports contracts they are stuck with for a minimum period....

very sad news if it has finally closed, I knew the Plough from old and was never that impressed but having been back again 6 months ago I was knocked out by the food quality and friendly staff. Went in several times and had fantastic, orginal food every time! Where else in a pub environment can you get home cooked chips, crocodile steak and home made apple crumble parfait?! Goldenfleece if you are interested track down Mark, his partner and their chef Simon and spend a few quid bringing the property into the 21st Century.

Went in several times and had fantastic, orginal food every time! Where else in a pub environment can you get crocodile steak and home made apple crumble parfait?! .

Is that what people want nowadays in 'Pub' food in general ?

Cricket at Totley seems to have it right. They are packed, not far from Thyme either maybe Richard Smith should consider it.

The Plough has a MASSIVE footie and cricketing heritage, with a number of landlords and customers being cricketers and cricket supporters over the years. I had an email conversation with a woman recently whose great-grandfather was an ex-Yorkshire player and ran the place towards the end of the C19th.

My own connection is through my great grand-uncle Edwin Stephenson, known as Merry Ned for reasons that will become clear. He was the first Yorkshire wicket-keeper, played in the first official Yorks/Lancs match, and in 1864 he travelled by sailing ship on the first overseas trip to play for England in Melbourne, Australia. A Sharrow lad (he ran a cricket ball and tobacconists shop in Bramall Lane), in 1872 he was given the honour of a testimonial at the Roses match at the Bramall Lane ground.

Cricketers at the time were well known for their drinking and cricket anthologies of the time refer to him propping up the bar and singing loud songs in his home from home - the old Plough. Eventually he was consigned to an asylum in Liverpool for inebriates where he died in 1896.

If you're thinking of taking over the pub Goldenfleece I hereby graciously allow you to split up the long bar and re-name one section Merry Neds Bar !

The lease is up for sale and I'm not too sure if it's actually open at present.

(No doubt it will soon make way for more 'luxury' apartments....)

It was shut last weekend

The Plough has a MASSIVE footie and cricketing heritage, with a number of landlords and customers being cricketers and cricket supporters over the years. I had an email conversation with a woman recently whose great-grandfather was an ex-Yorkshire player and ran the place towards the end of the C19th.

My own connection is through my great grand-uncle Edwin Stephenson, known as Merry Ned for reasons that will become clear. He was the first Yorkshire wicket-keeper, played in the first official Yorks/Lancs match, and in 1864 he travelled by sailing ship on the first overseas trip to play for England in Melbourne, Australia. A Sharrow lad (he ran a cricket ball and tobacconists shop in Bramall Lane), in 1872 he was given the honour of a testimonial at the Roses match at the Bramall Lane ground.

Cricketers at the time were well known for their drinking and cricket anthologies of the time refer to him propping up the bar and singing loud songs in his home from home - the old Plough. Eventually he was consigned to an asylum in Liverpool for inebriates where he died in 1896.

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Unfortunately they probably wont be spending much now though!

Is that what people want nowadays in 'Pub' food in general ?

Cricket at Totley seems to have it right. They are packed, not far from Thyme either maybe Richard Smith should consider it.


..I was just giving an example of the creativeness of the catering staff there, traditional pub fayre was also available and excellently executed. It's such a shame you and others might never have the opportunity to indulge in that apple crumble parfait..unbelievable! :smile:

It used to be busy when run by 'Bill' who then moved on to the Cross Scythes at Totley. I think it started to go downhill after he went.

Last time I ate there - early in the year the food was great, but the place didnt seem to know whether it was a local pub or a decent restaurant.

Being local I'd like to see it become busy again. I would think its a little small to be mainly a food place (the kitchen is tiny). It has the potential to be a decent pub along the lines of the Ranmoor Inn.

It has the potential to be a decent pub along the lines of the Ranmoor Inn.

Aren't both establishments classed as being run by The Sheffield Pub Company?

The Ranmoor seems to be surviving so it's a pity that The Plough isn't. We've lost The King's Head; we don't want to lose another 'local'.

The Plough used to be a decent, popular Whitbread house. I lament its demise.

Aren't both establishments classed as being run by The Sheffield Pub Company?

The Ranmoor seems to be surviving so it's a pity that The Plough isn't. We've lost The King's Head; we don't want to lose another 'local'.

The Plough used to be a decent, popular Whitbread house. I lament its demise.

To my knowledge Nigel (Landlord of the Ranmoor Inn) owns the Just William (or similar) pub company which as well as the Ranmoor Inn also runs the White/Red Lion in Heeley and that corner pub (Tut n Shive?)opposite the big HSBC offices in town. He takes the lease for the Ranmoor inn from the Sheff Pub Co perhaps but I think the Plough is Enterprise.
As you may have gathered though my knowledge is a bit sketchy!

He takes the lease for the Ranmoor inn from the Sheff Pub Co perhaps but I think the Plough is Enterprise.
As you may have gathered though my knowledge is a bit sketchy!

No you're right Rip, the Plough was/is Enterprise. I'm surprised that so many well located pubs in the West of sheffield seem to struggle, the Fulwood Inn being one and latterly the old Hanrahans.

I think the Plough is Enterprise - but I also recall it saying 'The Sheffield Pub Co,' on the door....

Ade

I think the Plough is Enterprise - but I also recall it saying 'The Sheffield Pub Co,' on the door....

Ade

It is now Enterprize but it was Sheffield pub co before that, and a Whitbread house before that for MANY years......

There are "many interested parties" showing an interest in the Plough according to the BRM I met yesterday, including some contributors to this thread.....however, as you may or may not know, it is the job of any BRM to give the impression any pub is 'hot property' so they can complete a quick deal for the highest rent offer......the rent is currently 39K and 'totally non negotiable' (but then all BRM's say that too...) PLUS its a 100% FULL TIE on EVERYTHING!!!!

We will see what happens......I'm in two minds about it.....no pubs are thriving in that area at all really....

If I was looking for a pub in the area I'd look into the Bulls Head in Ranmoor. Its vastly under used at the moment- the tenant (if there is one) must be losing cash big time and be desparate to get rid!

Hi,

Though the Plough has underachieved as a pub in the last few years, there have been many previous years when it thrived. Clearly it can get custom in, when the right approach is taken to that.

Against that, it does sound like the brewery are overvaluing a run-down business, and if they are looking to tie in the produce too, then they need to take a reality check and look at a more sensible valuation until the business is running at a proper level again.

Don't these organisations ever look at rents being attributed on a turnover basis to help get the business running profitably at a level where someone will want to commit the time to do this?

I'm not in the trade at all, but from what comes out occasionally, it sounds like the brewery business models need bringing up to date.

Ade

blimey goldenfleece, you just brought back some memories! we used to go there in the 80's, think we got barred a few times too, bar was always 5 deep, and i vaguely remember somethin danglin down from the roof, afraid those days are a bit hazy tho.....:hihi: maybe a few too many :gag::gag: but back then if we wern't been :gag: in one pub we were usually :gag: somewhwew else :hihi::hihi:

very sad news if it has finally closed, I knew the Plough from old and was never that impressed but having been back again 6 months ago I was knocked out by the food quality and friendly staff. Went in several times and had fantastic, orginal food every time! Where else in a pub environment can you get home cooked chips, crocodile steak and home made apple crumble parfait?! Goldenfleece if you are interested track down Mark, his partner and their chef Simon and spend a few quid bringing the property into the 21st Century.

You're right about the food. Their gourmet nights were brilliant, six courses for £15 and the quality was fantastic. They were so customer focussed, nothing too much trouble and it's a real shame they've gone. They are travelling for a while and then intend to buy a pub, as the lease was so expensive. Hope they manage to get one in Sheffield, cos I would certainly be knocking on the door for food.

any more news on the plough, used to be nice at Christmas...the pubs round this area never cease to amaze...it was last Christmas day that I went to the sheffield only to find it closed!!

any more news on the plough, used to be nice at Christmas...the pubs round this area never cease to amaze...it was last Christmas day that I went to the sheffield only to find it closed!!


The Sheffield (Shiny Sheff) will be open Christmas Day 12 - 2.

any more news on the plough, used to be nice at Christmas...the pubs round this area never cease to amaze...it was last Christmas day that I went to the sheffield only to find it closed!!

The Plough will remain closed until 2008

Aren't both establishments classed as being run by The Sheffield Pub Company?

The 'Sheffield Pub Company' was just a (rather cynical) marketing exercise by the PubCo to brand a few local boozers with a few local real ales and some homely looking signs. Isn't a company.

Just a quick post to all people concerned.

The Plough Inn Lease is for sale and will not be turned in to FLATS / HOUSES for those who have started a petion in Crospool. It is a listed building and is NOT for sale, It is to remain a public house as it has being for a number of years. The current tennants have moved out over the weekend and the plough inn is to be reopend soon with some new teenants.

Many Thanks, JPL

Just a quick post to all people concerned.

The Plough Inn Lease is for sale and will not be turned in to FLATS / HOUSES for those who have started a petion in Crospool. It is a listed building and is NOT for sale, It is to remain a public house as it has being for a number of years. The current tennants have moved out over the weekend and the plough inn is to be reopend soon with some new teenants.

Many Thanks, JPL

When have the facts the full facts and nothing but the facts stopped people getting it wrong

Who started the petition?

Just a quick post to all people concerned.

The current tennants have moved out over the weekend and the plough inn is to be reopend soon with some new teenants.

Many Thanks, JPL

Shame the old tenants couldn't have stayed, they were absolutely fantastic!

Main Plough closing thread here (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=277583&highlight=plough)

Mystproperty/JPL

There is little chance of the lease being sold at the numbers they are asking for, the rent is not in line with takings, and the building needs a decent refurb. Maybe the old tenants left because they couldnt make any money, if it was profitable they would have renewed the lease and sold it themselves instead of handing it back to the pubco to find new tenants.

Maybe the petition should be sent to the pubco!

Mod note: Threads merged

The pianist in our group held his 21st party at the Plough in November 1960. We played on stage in the room upstairs. Nice friendly place around that time but I haven't been in there since 1969. I seem to remember playing snooker there so they must have had a table somewhere.

The people signing a petition against its closure or redevelopment might spend their time more usefully by putting money over the bar.

The people signing a petition against its closure or redevelopment might spend their time more usefully by putting money over the bar.

Never was any petition against its closure that I heard of.....and how does that work anyway when it's a private small scale business?

Hope it's open again soon though - I miss the convenience :)

Any news on a reopening or anything yet? Im guessing its still closed?

Yup, still closed :(

i used to frequent the plough in the early 80's when it had that odd staircase to nowhere tho it was not really local to me my friends used to go there and around the crosspool area. strangly enough the Ranmoor which is also mentioned on here , I have never been there but i'm going there this weekend how bizzaar! what's it like there?

i used to frequent the plough in the early 80's when it had that odd staircase to nowhere tho it was not really local to me my friends used to go there and around the crosspool area. strangly enough the Ranmoor which is also mentioned on here , I have never been there but i'm going there this weekend how bizzaar! what's it like there?


Nice pub, great beer! Comfy seats and lovely fire...good outside courtyard area for the smokers. Best pub in S10???

Nice pub, great beer! Comfy seats and lovely fire...good outside courtyard area for the smokers. Best pub in S10???

By far! ,,,,,,

and what about west 10 wine bar or is it west 1 wine bar? whats it like in there?

Anyone have any news on whether this pub is open again yet? Me and some of my friends from back at uni have been doing 'The Rivelin Pub Crawl' for 9 years now (Crosspool Tavern, Sportsman, Plough, Bell Hagg, Rivelin, Sportsman in Stannington, Turnbull, Hollybush, Walkley Cottage) for years now. We're supposed to be doing it this weekend. The Bell Hagg and the Turnbull have both closed already, and i don't think i could face the pub crawl being reduced to 6! We've already had to extend it into crookes at the start. The gap between the plough and the rivelin was bad enough, but all the way from the sportsman without a pub...don't know how i'll cope!!!

Anyone have any news on whether this pub is open again yet? Me and some of my friends from back at uni have been doing 'The Rivelin Pub Crawl' for 9 years now (Crosspool Tavern, Sportsman, Plough, Bell Hagg, Rivelin, Sportsman in Stannington, Turnbull, Hollybush, Walkley Cottage) for years now. We're supposed to be doing it this weekend. The Bell Hagg and the Turnbull have both closed already, and i don't think i could face the pub crawl being reduced to 6! We've already had to extend it into crookes at the start. The gap between the plough and the rivelin was bad enough, but all the way from the sportsman without a pub...don't know how i'll cope!!!

Sadly, it was still closed when I drove past on Sunday afternoon.

Scarott

Must be a long course if youve been on it 9 years

There is an open day for potential new publicans this month hosted by Enterprize Inns but its a VERY expensive lease and rent and they are looking for a big commitment to providing high quality food to compete with the Crosspool Tavern and Sportsman, Three Merry Lads, etc......I looked into this pub in quite some detail with a view towards acquiring it but could not see a way to make a profit from it even with a significantly reduced rent and lease price (which Enterprize wouldn't consider anyway)..its just too big, needs too much work in terms of full decor/refurb, etc (Enterprize also told me they were not spending ANY money on it at all so its down to whoever buys the lease to spend a fair whack on decor and image), plus its sheer size means sky high operational costs, which is probably why this has only thrived as a Whitbread 'managed' House in the past.......

best of luck to anyone who takes it on though, its not for me at this time......

I went once awhile ago. Was walking with my b/f, looking for Three Merry Lads (we did have a map so we had a sort of general idea... even though I've been there a lot of times for meals I've never found my own way there), but took a wrong turn and found The Plough Inn so went in. Wanted to play Table Football but I think we didn't have enough money on us (sadly). That was the only time I'd been.

Oh, and walking all the way to Three Merry Lads isn't a good idea. Did so much walking that day, and we didn't even find it! Was an experience though.

Used to get the 51 Lodge Moor bus from Crosspool. Get off at terminus and walk, then quench thirst on Ind Coope. Back in '61. Think the Wing family ran the pub then. Only problem was - not to miss the last bus back else it was a walk and a half back to Crosspool.

THE PLOUGH has now re-opened, and its been open a few days now.. but I can honestly say it was a very disappointing experience. We called in Saturday afternoon for a bite to eat and a coffee, a sign outside proclaimed proudly that it was 'under new Management.' There were no cars in the car park and I feared it may be a tad quiet, but upon walking in, it was like a morgue.....NO CUSTOMERS AT ALL EXCEPT US!

The 'Barman' was sat in the window reading paper and drinking a pint, and who after 30 seconds of us walking in, put down his paper as he noticed we were standing at the bar. He was not in a rush to serve us. We asked what food was on offer, and there was nothing available. " We don't do anything like that" he said.....
We asked for tea or coffee and the reply was
"we don't do that sort of thing...nothing like that"!!

Settling for an orange juice and a coke, both of which were totally bland, very small, expensive and uninteresting with no ice option or any 'dressing', we retired from the lack of engaging banter from the Barman and had a look around....

We sat in one of the corners and noted it had had a lick of beige paint. No refurb has taken place. The tatty run down holed furniture remained in situ, and we noted a piano that looked like it had fallen off the back of a lorry...LITERALLY! The atmosphere was....well quite simply.....VOID...there was nothing, no music no ambience....NOTHING!

Another customer came in and the barman said it was depressing as Friday night he had been host to a maximum of ten people, and it was the worst he had ever known 'in the trade'. One is not surprised at all, because mein host was not the most jovial, and the sad and tatty interior was depressing....

Sorry, but the re-opening was totally without any life or planning.....seriously, a trip to the City Morgue would have been more inspiring, and I don't hold out much hope for this venue now.........perhaps I should have followed it up myself but Enterprize were asking outrageous and rediculous rent that bore no relation to turnover projections whatsoever.....

Watch this space...........this place MUST improve or it will perish for good.....

I've also popped in since the re-opening. As said above, there's been minimal work done on the place. The barman/manager's friend sat at the end of the bar answered his mobile with the endearing phrase 'awright ********' and then later, behind the bar when the barman was talking to him, the pair used a liberal amount of swearing to each other.

I wonder if they know where the pub is, if they think that's the way to attract customers.

Seems to have been a totally unannounced re-opening too - I live round the corner but was unaware of it until a friend who'd driven past called me about it.

I hope this is just a temporary abberation - but with the high prices in the pub, they've got to make us want to go in, or Broomhill will still see our money instead.

I've also popped in since the re-opening. As said above, there's been minimal work done on the place. The barman/manager's friend sat at the end of the bar answered his mobile with the endearing phrase 'awright ********' and then later, behind the bar when the barman was talking to him, the pair used a liberal amount of swearing to each other.

I wonder if they know where the pub is, if they think that's the way to attract customers.

Seems to have been a totally unannounced re-opening too - I live round the corner but was unaware of it until a friend who'd driven past called me about it.

I hope this is just a temporary abberation - but with the high prices in the pub, they've got to make us want to go in, or Broomhill will still see our money instead.

It appeared to me the barman, aged about 45 ish, had little knowledge of the area. He had a London area accent. Yes he seemed to be under the impression all he had to do was open the doors and the people would pile in...:D And yes, the language he came out with while talking to the one other person who wondered in was very blue...the 'conversation' (for want of a better word) with the other customer revealed he also had no idea a football club was opposite and that he may expect some people in after the Saturday match....

Frankly, he was very aloof and had a couldn't be bothered attitude, that was very stand offish and ALMOST rude but not quite. To reply to a polite request for the availability of food, coffee or tea with a flap of his hand and "we don't do that sort of thing here" took me by surprise....I don't think I have come across a more 'dis-interested in his own bar' barman/Landlord ever before.... reminded me of Dave the Landlord of the 'Winchester Club' from MINDER...same accent and build and similar face...but not as friendly.....he will go down well in Sandygate don't you think???

the classic line "we don't do that sort of thing here" will stay with me for a long time......
Welcome to Sheffield....

Anybody else?

Popped in last night for a couple, and from what the barman said, he's only looking after the pub until the young couple who've got it move in. That should be April 20 he said - and they should have food available by the end of April!!

It sounded as though the refurbishment is done, which means the threadbare, worn out chairs and dirty carpet are going to stay.

On that basis, I don't see how the new people think they are going to make a success of the place - there's nothing to make anyone want to come in, and the numbers of customers just aren't there for the pub as it stands.

Too bad, it's very local for me, and I was hoping to see it new and shiny - but I really don't think it will last. Grubby old pubs just don't do it for people anymore.

The barman seems to be an arse, however don’t just let your first impression poison your views, I suggest you should wait till the new couple arrive and give them a chance and you have to also remember they will have to settle in, and you have to let them know what you want from a pub and not just criticize at the first chance im sure they will be welcome to all ideas

Since it's reopening I have been in the plough a few times and I must say I do have to agree with some of the points that have been made - the beer is overpriced (but that has now been addressed with a 20-25p drop on most prices) and it is still quite shabby. All though from what I gather the tatty chairs are being re-upolstered at the moment and the tables are due to be done in the near future, but i think it still needs more to be done.
As for the new bar 'manager', well he seems to be pretty useless (both at pouring a pint and holding a conversation) and his language is quite appauling at times. However I have noticed that one of the old barmen from mark and anna's time is still working their which gives the place a bit more of a friendly atmosphere.
All I hope is that when this new couple come in they do some proper pub food at reasonable prices, they have a bit of banter with the customers and they listen to what the regulars want - but i cant see sky coming back as i think it costs about £700 per month - oh well

Nothing I'd like more than for it to be a success - but without some major refurbishment, they simply won't pull people in often enough. The previous couple, Mark and Anna, were very nice - but the pub isn't, and that puts people off.

It needs a lot of work to make it worthwhile - I wonder if the new tenants know or realise just how much work is needed to make the pub presentable.

Nothing I'd like more than for it to be a success - but without some major refurbishment, they simply won't pull people in often enough. The previous couple, Mark and Anna, were very nice - but the pub isn't, and that puts people off.

It needs a lot of work to make it worthwhile - I wonder if the new tenants know or realise just how much work is needed to make the pub presentable.

..did you ever eat there Ade? With the social talents of Mark & Anna and the cooking skills of the chef, Simon I can't believe it wasnt heaving every night. Even when I moved away from the area, I'd make special trips back..and there isn't a pub I've ever done that for!

The barman seems to be an arse, however don’t just let your first impression poison your views, I suggest you should wait till the new couple arrive and give them a chance and you have to also remember they will have to settle in, and you have to let them know what you want from a pub and not just criticize at the first chance im sure they will be welcome to all ideas

Its a challenge with the crisis facing the UK pub industry at the moment. I looked it over and knew it was doomed without a 100% rethink, like the Shiny Sheff. I approached Enterprize with a view towards a total interior transformation funded by me, and re-focusing it to a much wider age range than its current pensioners living room look. It was mega successful in the 80's with an age range from 18 to 65...and then they RUINED it with an upgrade it did not need...

But of course, the Pub Company knows best!!!!!:loopy: They still seem to think it will work as a destination food pub, and not as wet sales led venture. Odd, as if they supported the latter they stand to make a Hell of a lot more money thro tied beer sales....food will make them NOTHING!


And yes that barman-Manager is a total arse!!!

..did you ever eat there Ade? With the social talents of Mark & Anna and the cooking skills of the chef, Simon I can't believe it wasnt heaving every night. Even when I moved away from the area, I'd make special trips back..and there isn't a pub I've ever done that for!

Yes, good grub indeed, especially when they had their themed events. But sadly, they just didn't get enough people in on a regular basis. I'd certainly be interested in visiting whatever place ends up with the chef, if anyone ever finds out.

right all you that are on about the plough and that the bar manager is a total ****** hes not i work there right
and if u must no that old stooles and things are been taken away at this very moment in time and been recoverd. and you goldenfleece i can tell u summat now he doesnt sit in the window with a pint or readin the paper think i no him alot more than u do that myt have been his mate but i no it wasnt him so why dont u find more fact out about the place before running you mouths off the lot off u. i think its a nice pub and im not just sayin it because i wokr there yea the prices were high

but they have been lowerd no so its quite a cheap pub if u dont like it then dont come in but dont be so childish to slag it off.

right all you that are on about the plough and that the bar manager is a total ****** hes not i work there right
and if u must no that old stooles and things are been taken away at this very moment in time and been recoverd. and you goldenfleece i can tell u summat now he doesnt sit in the window with a pint or readin the paper think i no him alot more than u do that myt have been his mate but i no it wasnt him so why dont u find more fact out about the place before running you mouths off the lot off u. i think its a nice pub and im not just sayin it because i wokr there yea the prices were high

but they have been lowerd no so its quite a cheap pub if u dont like it then dont come in but dont be so childish to slag it off.

If anyone's got a bit of spare time, could they translate this mess into some form of english please?

Give me a buzz when you've done it, eh?

Right all you that are on about the plough and that the bar manager is a total ****** he's not i work there right.
And if u must no that old stooles and chairs and tables are been taken away at this very moment in time and are been recoverd. and you goldenfleece i can tell u summat now he doesnt sit in the window with a pint or reading the paper. I think i no him alot more than u do that might have been his mate but i no it wasnt him so why dont u find more facts out about the place before running you mouth off that goes to the rest of you off u. i think its a nice pub and im not just sayin it because i work there yes the prices were high.

But they have been lowerd now so its quite cheap. If u dont like it then dont come in but dont be so childish to slag it off.


there you go its in english now !

Right all you that are on about the plough and that the bar manager is a total ****** he's not i work there right.
And if u must no that old stooles and chairs and tables are been taken away at this very moment in time and are been recoverd. and you goldenfleece i can tell u summat now he doesnt sit in the window with a pint or reading the paper. I think i no him alot more than u do that might have been his mate but i no it wasnt him so why dont u find more facts out about the place before running you mouth off that goes to the rest of you off u. i think its a nice pub and im not just sayin it because i work there yes the prices were high.

But they have been lowerd now so its quite cheap. If u dont like it then dont come in but dont be so childish to slag it off.


there you go its in english now !

So there we have it! We can all expect a friendly welcome from the professional staff now running this reborn hostelry next time we visit.

So who's first ??!

you will get a freindly welcome off me but not if ur gona slag it down if you have been down at night on some days you will have seen me im the lass with the black hair and i am polite.

Do we get a free drink if we mention we saw the advert on this forum?

I've never been, but I can't wait to visit this place now.

yes, can not wait to see the specials board :hihi: will it all be in text speak?

Do we get a free drink if we mention we saw the advert on this forum?

I've never been, but I can't wait to visit this place now.

I will check out said lass with dark hair.. maybe tonight!

right if you think you are all clever instead of writing things on here about it why not go in and see the bar manager and talk to him about it.

and no you dont get a free drink

ill be workin next thursday all day and night if you have a problem call in about it .

right if you think you are all clever instead of writing things on here about it why not go in and see the bar manager and talk to him about it.

and no you dont get a free drink

ill be workin next thursday all day and night if you have a problem call in about it .

Too many negative comments about the place since it re-opened for them all to be wrong. It's not the customers job to be pointing out the obvious to the manager, like watch your language in front of customers and try to be friendly. Did they draft him in from the old Cannon?

The Plow In Menu

meet n pt8to py £5
soop and bredcaik £3
fish n chip's £4
staek n chip's n pea's £6
chilly £3
lassaanyaa £3
kids meal's from £2
crisp's from 60p
p nuts from 55p

We take Visa, Amex, Mastercard, asbo

Plz pay b4 orderin (iris scan and fingerprint required)

The Plow In Menu

meet n pt8to py £5
soop and bredcaik £3
fish n chip's £4
staek n chip's n pea's £6
chilly £3
lassaanyaa £3
kids meal's from £2
crisp's from 60p
p nuts from 55p

We take Visa, Amex, Mastercard, asbo

Plz pay b4 orderin (iris scan and fingerprint required)

And lassaanyaa is also the name of the girl who works behind the bar!

The Plow In Menu
meet n pt8to py £5
soop and bredcaik £3
fish n chip's £4
staek n chip's n pea's £6
chilly £3
lassaanyaa £3
kids meal's from £2
crisp's from 60p
p nuts from 55p
We take Visa, Amex, Mastercard, asbo
Plz pay b4 orderin (iris scan and fingerprint required)

Oh dear. I've just had a coughing fit reading this! Brilliant! As for Percy the barmaid, she's certainly changed my mind about the staff being rude (and illiterate and aggressive - what a combination!)...... I can't wait to go and meet these pleasant sounding people! And best of luck to anyone who responds to her request "if you have a problem, call in about it".

right all you that are on about the plough and that the bar manager is a total ****** hes not i work there right
and if u must no that old stooles and things are been taken away at this very moment in time and been recoverd. and you goldenfleece i can tell u summat now he doesnt sit in the window with a pint or readin the paper think i no him alot more than u do that myt have been his mate but i no it wasnt him so why dont u find more fact out about the place before running you mouths off the lot off u. i think its a nice pub and im not just sayin it because i wokr there yea the prices were high

but they have been lowerd no so its quite a cheap pub if u dont like it then dont come in but dont be so childish to slag it off.

Right. All you that are on about the plough and that the bar manager is a total ****** (insert suitable word here). He's not, I work there, right? And if you must know that old stools and things are been taken away at this very moment in time and been recovered. And you goldenfleece I can tell you something now he doesn't sit in the window with a pint or reading the paper. Think I know him a lot more than you do, that might have been his mate but I know it wasn't him so why don't you find more fact out about the place before running you mouths off the lot off you. I think its a nice pub and I'm not just saying it because i work there, yes the prices were high but they have been lowered now so it's quite a cheap pub if you don't like it then don't come in but don't be so childish to slag it off.

Nope. That's the closest to English I can get and it still doesn't make sense.

right if you think you are all clever instead of writing things on here about it why not go in and see the bar manager and talk to him about it.

and no you dont get a free drink

ill be workin next thursday all day and night if you have a problem call in about it .

hello percy, you sound like just the sort of person we dont want to see in that lovely establishment. I know the couple that are moving in and you couldn't wish to meet a more friendly and professional couple to work for. Please dont bring your friends. Ta ta:loopy:

hello percy, you sound like just the sort of person we dont want to see in that lovely establishment. I know the couple that are moving in and you couldn't wish to meet a more friendly and professional couple to work for. Please dont bring your friends. Ta ta:loopy:

It's not very S10.

Right all you that are on about the plough and that the bar manager is a total ****** he's not i work there right.
And if u must no that old stooles and chairs and tables are been taken away at this very moment in time and are been recoverd. and you goldenfleece i can tell u summat now he doesnt sit in the window with a pint or reading the paper. I think i no him alot more than u do that might have been his mate but i no it wasnt him so why dont u find more facts out about the place before running you mouth off that goes to the rest of you off u. i think its a nice pub and im not just sayin it because i work there yes the prices were high.

But they have been lowerd now so its quite cheap. If u dont like it then dont come in but dont be so childish to slag it off.


there you go its in english now !

That's debatable...

right all you that are on about the plough and that the bar manager is a total ****** hes not i work there right
and if u must no that old stooles and things are been taken away at this very moment in time and been recoverd. and you goldenfleece i can tell u summat now he doesnt sit in the window with a pint or readin the paper think i no him alot more than u do that myt have been his mate but i no it wasnt him so why dont u find more fact out about the place before running you mouths off the lot off u. i think its a nice pub and im not just sayin it because i wokr there yea the prices were high but they have been lowerd no so its quite a cheap pub if u dont like it then dont come in but dont be so childish to slag it off.

FIRST IMPRESSIONS LAST A LONG TIME!!! Let me tell you as a matter of FACT on BOTH times I went in the Barman was sat in the window reading a paper and supping lager, and each time was rather reluctant to get up and serve at the bar. Perhaps because it was deserted? My comments made I stand by, the first impressions were terrible, and I don't think anyone here will not agree with that. First impressions COUNT...you can't make up for it afterwards....I don't care if he was the barman or the Manager, he was there representing the management, and was abrupt and rather rude, plus not interested in his customers and spoke only blue language...quite frankly, you would have thought you were in a pub in a far less salubrious suburb of Sheffield, with the lack of courtesy and basic customer service. This is not what people expect in S10!!!!

And please, if you post on this forum, perhaps consider learning some elementary rules of the Queen's English...your txt talk is out of place..I hope you treat the customers better because if you talk like you write you won't have them for very long in S10 I assure you

It's not very S10.


What? Friendly and professional? or English?

Goldenfleece, why dont you show them how a pub SHOULD be run.
either at your place or go and do staff training there.

Goldenfleece, why dont you show them how a pub SHOULD be run.
either at your place or go and do staff training there.

I just think that common courtesy counts a LOT.......it goes a very long way....it can make or break a public house
Why work in a pub and be totally not interested in your customers, or even in making a good first impression when re-opening? What is the point!!

as you never get a chance to make a second first impression, there is nothing to be done to change that.....first impressions are so vital in this industry, and facing the crisis of the British Pub industry at the moment, doubly more important I believe when re-opening a closed establishment and expecting it (presumably) to make a profit and be the preferred choice for the drinkers in the area...

I just get so annoyed when in places like this, the customer is clearly an intrusion and not really at all welcome, as the staff prefer to read newspapers and can only use four letter words and are incapable of using their initiative and providing even a basic product when requested...

As the new lessee of the Plough I have recently been informed about comments posted on this website.
It is not my intention to become embroiled here in a lengthy dialogue with so many wide ranging views from both customers and existing staff. However, I can assure all that it is my firm objective to give the customers a pub that they can be proud of and with this in mind I would be more than happy to meet anyone wishing to calmly sit down and exchange in a sensible, respectful debate regarding ideas, desires or wishes to re establish this pub as a major landmark within the S10 and surrounding locality. May I suggest that anyone interested can initially meet with myself and the new Managers on
9th March at midday where I would be delighted to listen to your views......
I realise that this date may not suit all. Lee and Hannah will take over responsibility for the management of the premises in the very near future - and I would encourage anyone to visit both now and thereafter where I am sure they will be given a warm welcome......

The football club and pub should work together and provide something unique.

its been tried, the club wants nothing to do with the pub, they have their own bar inside anyway....

Hi HINL
I wish you and your new team well, I think you should be thankful that so may people are showing interest in the Plough, I guess the challenge is to convert the interest into custom. Good Luck.

Heck. I'm tempted to come over for lunch tomorrow but I can't as I'm 80 miles away. Good luck to the new landlord. I'll keep watching.

As the new lessee of the Plough I have recently been informed about comments posted on this website.
It is not my intention to become embroiled here in a lengthy dialogue with so many wide ranging views from both customers and existing staff. However, I can assure all that it is my firm objective to give the customers a pub that they can be proud of and with this in mind I would be more than happy to meet anyone wishing to calmly sit down and exchange in a sensible, respectful debate regarding ideas, desires or wishes to re establish this pub as a major landmark within the S10 and surrounding locality. May I suggest that anyone interested can initially meet with myself and the new Managers on
9th March at midday where I would be delighted to listen to your views......
I realise that this date may not suit all. Lee and Hannah will take over responsibility for the management of the premises in the very near future - and I would encourage anyone to visit both now and thereafter where I am sure they will be given a warm welcome......

Considering it's now April I don't think you'll get many there. I wish you luck because you're certainly going to need it if the calibre of your bar staff posting on here is representative of the pub / staff in general. You've a hard act to follow as the last tenants were extremely customer focused (and served fantastic food!) As Golden Fleece has said, you never get a second chance at a first impression, but hopefully the comments on here will have been noted and things will improve. Good luck :thumbsup:

HINL - Listening to your (potential) customers is of course, a good first step. Trying to provide for what ought to be a mixed clientel, different theme nights, drinks and food promotions, summer events etc and stating clearly your position regarding policies - family friendly or strictly adults only? are all vital to the success of your business.

First impressions clearly DO matter and some of these can be formed before a customer steps foot in your pub. Clear guidelines can also remove potential embarrassment on either party's behalf.

Will we have to walk through a ring of poisonous smoke to enter your pub (the side-effects of customers whose language can be as blue as the smoke they're emitting)?

My desires in what a local provides will probably differ from someone else's. All I want is well-kept cask ale, decent bar snacks and home made food at 'realistic' prices. I don't care much for TV or a jukebox. Good company and chatter is better than a TV blazing garbage in the corner.

But sadly, as much as you'll endeavour to provide these things and more, your hands will be well and truly tied and the bottom line will always be: price.

The binding wrapped tightly around your arms is clearly labelled; it reads: Enterprise Inns. (That binding also makes a good noose as many a former Enterprise Inns manager/ess will tell you.)

Good luck - I'll visit in due course.

Having read the previous postings I would comment that the subscribers fall into two categories. First the Golden Fleece category who appears to be miffed that he was not awarded the pub, and by being over critical in his comments appears to be tying to off-put people visiting the pub presumably in the hope that the pub will fail and maybe he will have another chance to obtain the venue. The second category seem to be extremely thin skinned individuals who wish to snipe. It is bad enough to kick a man when he is down, but it is appalling to kick a man before he has got onto his feet.

Since the pub reopened I have been in most nights and have got to know Bob and his barmaid Lauren and of course know Tom the barman from his previous days at the Plough. Bob has worked long hours, had the 6:30am beer deliveries, has no cleaner and has to clean te toilets and the pub himself as well as working behind the bar until the pub closes at 12 or 1am. I have always found him to be a decent individual, not foul-mouthed and is helpful and courteous and an interesting erson in conversation. Lauren and Tom are friendly and helpful and polite and the whole team gel and are cheerful with a sense of humour - if only all of you had taken time out to discover this.

You Sheffielders should be ashamed of yourselves especially for demonising the manager for the temerity of having a London accent. As a Sheffielder myself and my Sheffield friends we pride ourselves on being warm and welcoming, not derisive and cowardly hiding behind ficticious names on the internet with no face to face contact or discussion.

Now let us enter the real world. The pub at present is on approval - nothing has been signed for under contract. Hawk Inns have it for a trial period. It has been redecorated and the stools are away for recovering, but no other major refurbishment has been undertaken atthis stage. Hawk Inns obviously want to see how the business is performing before they sign the contract. No businessis going to invest heavily until satisfied that the pub is viable. Hawk Inns hae also shown willing by lowering the beer prices.

I would respectfully suggest that instead of carping on the internet that the people show their support for their local pub otherwise its closure will be the loss of a valuable amenity in the area. Give the manager a chance to turn around a pub which has been closed for 4 months and has reopened without any publicity, no chef and whose previous custmers had started drinking elsewhere due to its closure.

If any of you wish to be costructive then come to the Plough and discuss the situation. I can be found at the end of the bar with 3 pints of Guinness most nights.

Martin

I would respectfully suggest that instead of carping on the internet that the people show their support for their local pub otherwise its closure will be the loss of a valuable amenity in the area. Give the manager a chance to turn around a pub which has been closed for 4 months and has reopened without any publicity, no chef and whose previous custmers had started drinking elsewhere due to its closure.

Martin

A well balanced post Martin and I have to put my hand up and admit to being one of the detractors without having visited the pub since the re opening. :)

Running a succesful pub/restaurant is a little like alchemy, the previous managers of the Plough were great but perhaps didn't posess the right skills in sorcery!

I would encourage the new owners to find out where the previous chef, Simon has gone to, it was and will be the food (as well as dedicated, customer focussed management) that makes the magic difference to this business.

I understand that Simon has got a job on a cruise ship for 6 months!

I understand that Simon has got a job on a cruise ship for 6 months!

That's great news, their gain is definitely The Plough's loss!

Having read the previous postings I would comment that the subscribers fall into two categories. First the Golden Fleece category who appears to be miffed that he was not awarded the pub, and by being over critical in his comments appears to be tying to off-put people visiting the pub presumably in the hope that the pub will fail and maybe he will have another chance to obtain the venue. The second category seem to be extremely thin skinned individuals who wish to snipe. It is bad enough to kick a man when he is down, but it is appalling to kick a man before he has got onto his feet.

Since the pub reopened I have been in most nights and have got to know Bob and his barmaid Lauren and of course know Tom the barman from his previous days at the Plough. Bob has worked long hours, had the 6:30am beer deliveries, has no cleaner and has to clean te toilets and the pub himself as well as working behind the bar until the pub closes at 12 or 1am. I have always found him to be a decent individual, not foul-mouthed and is helpful and courteous and an interesting erson in conversation. Lauren and Tom are friendly and helpful and polite and the whole team gel and are cheerful with a sense of humour - if only all of you had taken time out to discover this.

You Sheffielders should be ashamed of yourselves especially for demonising the manager for the temerity of having a London accent. As a Sheffielder myself and my Sheffield friends we pride ourselves on being warm and welcoming, not derisive and cowardly hiding behind ficticious names on the internet with no face to face contact or discussion.

Now let us enter the real world. The pub at present is on approval - nothing has been signed for under contract. Hawk Inns have it for a trial period. It has been redecorated and the stools are away for recovering, but no other major refurbishment has been undertaken atthis stage. Hawk Inns obviously want to see how the business is performing before they sign the contract. No businessis going to invest heavily until satisfied that the pub is viable. Hawk Inns hae also shown willing by lowering the beer prices.

I would respectfully suggest that instead of carping on the internet that the people show their support for their local pub otherwise its closure will be the loss of a valuable amenity in the area. Give the manager a chance to turn around a pub which has been closed for 4 months and has reopened without any publicity, no chef and whose previous custmers had started drinking elsewhere due to its closure.

If any of you wish to be costructive then come to the Plough and discuss the situation. I can be found at the end of the bar with 3 pints of Guinness most nights.

Martin


People are giving their opinion - free country. You only call it carping because you disagree. Should you agree it would be OK.

Having read the previous postings I would comment that the subscribers fall into two categories. First the Golden Fleece category who appears to be miffed that he was not awarded the pub, and by being over critical in his comments appears to be tying to off-put people visiting the pub presumably in the hope that the pub will fail and maybe he will have another chance to obtain the venue.

Sorry wrong Martin. I had some ideas for the Plough yes, but actually did not follow up and make an official application, as I decided it would not be a profitable enough route for me. After a lot of interest I initially expressed to the Enterprize BRM, Mark Whiteley, I did some reckoning up and the money I was planning to spend on the Plough just did not yield enough potential return in the period I was looking at. Also I had an award ceremony in Nottingham on the official open day at the Plough as we were entered for a Punch Taverns Award for the Dove, so could not attend, and shortly after that, having asked Mark for a slightly later date to look over the premises and present a proposal, dropped the proposal, as the 'sums' did not just work.

But I love the Plough. Take it from me, that pub is one of my locals and I have a fond memory of then place from about 1982 when it was a 3 roomed dartboard style true 'local', through to the point it began to tail off some years back. I am not bitter, and would like to wish you all the very best....its a tough project you have and anyone who takes this on needs all the support they can get.....but, see below

I have seen too many of my locals go to the wall, not because of where or what they are, but due to bad Management......and so it appears that, according to your post (it really should have come earlier in this thread), you are NOT the person running the bar a few weeks back, I will indeed give you my blessing...

As you say, its a tough situation, its very tough at the moment for the pub industry and getting harder daily, and I never would want to make it bad for ANYONE,...I hate to see pubs fail, I really do, when sometimes ALL it takes is a little courtesy and respect....and you by coming on here have clearly made your point ..

but if I have got this all wrong from your post, perhaps you can clarify exactly who is taking over the Plough? I am a bit confused, as others tell me the barman who was there 2 weeks ago, was temp until some "new people" took over in 3 weeks time from 2 weeks ago, if you see what I mean. Who is the manager exactly?

As the new lessee of the Plough I have recently been informed about comments posted on this website. May I suggest that anyone interested can initially meet with myself and the new Managers on
9th March at midday where I would be delighted to listen to your views.......

Do you mean 9th April? This thread has jumped about quite a bit and not seen this post before my previous post, if you see what I mean....hang on, do I know what i mean here?

There has been a temporary manager, Bob, since the Plough's re-opening and he will be there until the new couple take over later in April (around the 20th I think).

Now let us enter the real world. The pub at present is on approval - nothing has been signed for under contract. Hawk Inns have it for a trial period. It has been redecorated and the stools are away for recovering, but no other major refurbishment has been undertaken atthis stage. Hawk Inns obviously want to see how the business is performing before they sign the contract. No business is going to invest heavily until satisfied that the pub is viable. Hawk Inns hae also shown willing by lowering the beer prices

Just who is HAWK INNS? There is nothing about them on the internet other than a Hawk Inns North limited registered at a Sheffield address 13 Norton Park Crescent which I found on google. There are some licence applications made in the name of Hawk Inns at Rotherham Council for the Yorkshire Terrier Inn, Crinoline Bridge Inn in Rotherham, so I assume they own a portfolio of premises? Not a name I am familiar with so be interested to hear more about the company and the pubs they hold....

The technical term for a 'pub on approval' is Tenancy at Will, where either party, Enterprize Inns or the potential tenant/leaseholder can terminate with very short notice at any time. A lot of operators do this when checking out the viaibility of a new premises, just to test the waters and see if its worth signing a legally binding contractual obligation. However, this should be kept secret from the public ideally as it shows lack of confidence, and a strong operator can really inspire local confidence and increase trade if the public think he has taken it lock stock and barrel and is there to make their lives better. No one needs to know its 'on approval'.....

When I took on the Dove it was actually 'on approval' for a very short period, but no one knew that because it was not necessary for anyone to know this. I also closed it down for a full week and did a full internal refurb before a grand re-opening, because it needed to make a fresh statement and not just carry on with its previous dying image. Without such a new and bold statement, I am convinced the Dove would now be closed for good...it's so important to get the first impressions right as I keep saying, and its something that is impossible to do afterwards. It's just basic common sense really but I believe get this part right and you can save ANY pub from the bulldozer......

And while I see the merits of the argument about not willing to invest until satisfied that the pub is viable, it would have been better to have had some kind of 'grand re-opening' (after a very basic internal refurb at least) with some good local publicity rather than just open up the doors without notice with a temp manager and not advertise anything at all and expect people to come in. :loopy:It's simply not a good way to test the market reliably. That is something I don't think any other Operator would do, you need to make the changes and have a grand, or even mini-grand, official re-opening, otherwise the statement being made to the public is showing lack of confidence and vision.

Hey All

I am a close personal friend of the new management team and have been privvy to some of the plans for the pub, the menu, entertainment and the future of the plough.

Lee and Hannah will be transforming the pub, they will be offering reasonably priced, home cooked food and believe me, this food will blow you away. All of your favourites and some modern classics - all made with the best local ingredients and cooked fresh everyday.

Beyond that, Lee and Hannah are as friendly, happy going people as you could wish for and seeing the *miracles* they have worked in the past, I think you will all be blown away.

They have not taken over yet, but plans are in place and there will even be a website showing off the menu, offers and much more. There will also be a mailing list so sign up with your email to keep up to date on the plans for the pub and for some discounts for food and beer. We know that once we get you in the door, you WILL be back for more.

We will also be looking at all the other local pubs and hopefully getting a good regular crowd so it will be friendly, comfortable pub that hopefully some of you would call home.

Obviously, there is no better promotion than word of mouth so once they take over late this month, pop down, sample the food and TELL YOUR FRIENDS.

Here's to The Plough - See you soon!

^^^^^^^^^So you heard about this thread and joined SF just to post this?:suspect:

Hey wonderboy,

Not really, I was just looking for information on the pub and stumbled across the thread and just wanted to update some of the people on here who were looking for info.

The pub will have a website of it's own soon, and if demand requires it we can set up a forum of it's own, which is a brave move as if we did not believe in the food and atmosphere that will be created then we would not set up a public board for discussion when there would be so many bad comments.

As it goes, I guess you are right a little, I just wanted to big up my friends new project but I will step off now, the pub and food will do the rest of the talking.

we will just let you guys do the rest of the talking but I sincerely hope you try it out!

All the best, hopefully see you in there some time?

Hey wonderboy,

Not really, I was just looking for information on the pub and stumbled across the thread and just wanted to update some of the people on here who were looking for info.

The pub will have a website of it's own soon, and if demand requires it we can set up a forum of it's own, which is a brave move as if we did not believe in the food and atmosphere that will be created then we would not set up a public board for discussion when there would be so many bad comments.

As it goes, I guess you are right a little, I just wanted to big up my friends new project but I will step off now, the pub and food will do the rest of the talking.

we will just let you guys do the rest of the talking but I sincerely hope you try it out!

All the best, hopefully see you in there some time?

What is your involvement freeradical? You say you're doing this for your friends but then use the word 'we', rather than 'they', implying you're personally involved in this business.

Hey All

I am a close personal friend of the new management team and have been privvy to some of the plans for the pub, the menu, entertainment and the future of the plough.

Lee and Hannah will be transforming the pub, they will be offering reasonably priced, home cooked food and believe me, this food will blow you away. All of your favourites and some modern classics - all made with the best local ingredients and cooked fresh everyday.

Beyond that, Lee and Hannah are as friendly, happy going people as you could wish for and seeing the *miracles* they have worked in the past, I think you will all be blown away.

They have not taken over yet, but plans are in place and there will even be a website showing off the menu, offers and much more. There will also be a mailing list so sign up with your email to keep up to date on the plans for the pub and for some discounts for food and beer. We know that once we get you in the door, you WILL be back for more.

We will also be looking at all the other local pubs and hopefully getting a good regular crowd so it will be friendly, comfortable pub that hopefully some of you would call home.

Obviously, there is no better promotion than word of mouth so once they take over late this month, pop down, sample the food and TELL YOUR FRIENDS.

Here's to The Plough - See you soon!

That sounds like great news good luck.

It usually takes a lot of hard work to get a business up and running but it sounds like they have the right approach and hopefully it will pay off.

^^^^^^^^^So you heard about this thread and joined SF just to post this?:suspect:

Why not???

Lee and Hannah will be transforming the pub....Beyond that, Lee and Hannah are as friendly, happy going people as you could wish for and seeing the *miracles* they have worked in the past, I think you will all be blown away.

Good publicity there but can you reveal which *miracles* they have worked in the past and at which other venues? It's all a bit mysterious, don't know anything about Hawk Inns either. Please provide further details I am intrigued about the *miracles* you refer to.......

I have read these posts with much interest. My grandfather ran The Plough Inn during the 60s-70s. I was only young but well remember my visits there. There was a snooker table somewhere, but my brother and I spent most of our time upstairs in a huge room, either running around (was usually during the day so no-one up there) or 'plonking' on an out-of-tune piano on the stage. I can still remember the smell - sort of stale and fusty, not particularly smoky because I don't think the room was used that much.

I do hope The Plough can become successful again. It used to be such a popular place.

I mentioned the snooker table in my post last Dec 20th. It was there, I wasn't imagining it. Played on it early 1966.

I mentioned the snooker table in my post last Dec 20th. It was there, I wasn't imagining it. Played on it early 1966.

You remember it because it was the last time you won?:hihi:

Yes Mike, there was definitely a snooker table. As children, we weren't allowed to play on it in case we damaged the precious green baize. Mum and dad had the Rising Sun at Nethergreen, and on Wednesday nights (dad's only time off) he always walked up to The Plough to play snooker. After granddad retired, my uncle Mick took over but by then I suppose the pub had been altered and more than likely the snooker table disappeared.

I have read these posts with much interest. My grandfather ran The Plough Inn during the 60s-70s. I was only young but well remember my visits there. There was a snooker table somewhere, but my brother and I spent most of our time upstairs in a huge room

That huge room was actually removed in 1982 by Whitbread, when they did a full scale conversion on the Plough from a rather quaint old local to a 80's style 'fun pub'. The floor was taken out, and ceiling of the original upstairs room became the ceiling for the downstairs. It made the whole back of the pub like a massive cavern. This room had its floor replaced in the late 80's, but not a PROPER floor, only a fake one, its not safe to walk on. That room is now just wasted space above a suspended 'fake' ceiling......it will be interesting to see if they put back a full proper floor and make use of this huge wasted space upstairs.....

the snooker table was still there in 1981 AFAIK....it vanished with the Whitbread refurb and pool tables were put in downstairs....

Thanks for that information Goldenfleece. Ashamed to say that I've not been in the Plough for decades. Removing that upstairs floor must indeed have caused a HUGE space above. Not surprised they replaced it, but what a shame a solid floor wasn't put back in. Fantastic venue for live music, parties etc, if the demand was there of course.

Also, I gather from this thread that you have the Dove and Rainbow (no fooling me!) Ashamed to say, not been in there for decades either! I vaguely remember the Golden Fleece pub. Was that you, too?

BTW, good luck to whoever does eventually settle in The Plough

Another little bit about the snooker table. Before my granddad had The Plough, my mum's godparents ran it. Molly & Billy Lovell. They insisted the snooker table was covered with a big cloth on a Sunday and did not allow anyone to play.

It's great to see all the replies above and see that there is still some interest in the pub! The scary thing for the new management is that if the pub has built up a less than stella reputation over the last few years - this hurdle has to be overcome, so we can get people through the door so they can experience the pub again with the new menu, management and ownership.

It was mentioned above about my use of the word 'we', well, I have no financial interest or stake in the pub at all, nada, zilch, I don't even live anywhere near it. However, what I do have is an interest in the new management who are some of my oldest and best friends and upon hearing of the slightly tarnished reputation the pub has and how quiet it is we hatched a very cunning and devious plan.

Now, me and Lee have been friends for maybe twenty years, he does pubs, I do computers and the internet so it is no problem for me to set him up a website, and help them get peoples interest piqued for the pub again through the medium of email and the internet.

Now, I have a business to run and a young family, so needless to say, I don't have much in the way of spare time, so I would not be helping out this way unless I had seen the passion Lee and Hannah have for turning this pub around, I also know they feel privileged to be working somewhere with such a prestigious history in sheffield and I just have the easy bit to do, to help get people through the door and I know that once you visit, they will keep you happy and I can go back to my already brutal schedule.

My motivation basically boils down to three things:
1 - I want to help my friend
2 - I know you will be blown away
3 - There are no decent boozers by me and damn, I wish I had Lee and Hannah

There is kind of a fourth one as well as I made these daft promises on a night out when half pished but... what you gonna do. :)

I guess it is not really fair for me to make any more claims or boasts, but, just do me a favor, give them a few weeks and pop in for some grub, then you lot can do the talking. (No pressure Lee :))

I will try and get you all a sneak peak at the new menu before it goes live, I know it is being finalised at the moment and as soon as I have some news I will pop on by.

Have a great weekend all.

Two weeks since last post...any more news?

About as many posts as customers.

Every time I've driven past the place looks dead - not a car in the carpark or a smoker standing outside the front door.

It's not looking good....

What a shame! Wish I lived a bit closer, I'd give it a try. Trouble is, when a place gets rundown, people find other watering holes. They really should have some sort of 'event' to get more interest. Couple of bank holidays coming up and then soon be the summer. That might get more people in.

I drive past twice a day at least and have only seen 1 car there at any time, except when all the football fans park there for the match in the grounds opposite, and all of those seem to use the footie ground public bar and not the Plough......can't imagine why as surely it wil be expensive in a footie ground for a pint compared to a pub?

Anyway, my very best wishes to the team running it, it's a pub close to my heart being a favourite haunt of mine back in the 80's.....but times have changed indeed and its a hard life for any pub these days...

Thanks for that information Goldenfleece. Also, I gather from this thread that you have the Dove and Rainbow (no fooling me!) Ashamed to say, not been in there for decades either! I vaguely remember the Golden Fleece pub. Was that you, too?

The only Golden Fleece pub I know is in Nottingham, and I think there's one in YOrk or around that area too. Was there one in SHeffield?

Yes the Dove is mine, and interested to know what the DOve looked like last time you were here. I am trying DESPERATELY to source some old photos but I cant find anything except a few exterior shots in the SHeffield Archives......

Hey All

It's been a busy couple of weeks and as ever nothing is ever as easy as it should so apologies for slow update.

Ok, so the new management team are now in place and have been in the pub for a full week now and things are going well. Despite what has been said above there are people drinking in the pub on a regular basis and Friday's are quite busy.

The Pub
We are getting some hanging baskets fitted outside in the next few days and have started to put out some parasols on the tables to show there is some life in the old girl. They have also had an initial spruce up inside, hung some pictures and generally smartened it up a bit.

The Beer
By all accounts, the temp manager was not doing much of a job and if a boozer has not even got a decent pint of beer, it is a sorry state of affairs! Well, to remedy this the whole system has been cleaned out, the cellar has been ripped out and refitted with totally new pumps and the beer supply has been totally replaced so you can now guarantee a good pint!

The Food
Getting the food back on has slowed down a bit as the kitchen was not up to scratch, to put this right there is a completely new kitchen being fitted this week and once that is finished we can start to get the produce in and start to test the menu. As it happens, the food should be going back on in approx 3 weeks but it's hard to put an exact date on it till the kitchen is finished, suppliers are tested, and menu is all prepared and finalised - as soon as we have a date, we will let you know.

The menu itself is provisionally written and if there is any interest and a show of hands in this thread I can post it up here.

Promotion of the pub
The management have a lot of work to do to get the pub back up to scratch before it is properly promoted again but the beer is sorted, it has been spruced up and the kitchen and food is getting sorted right now. Once there is a firm foundation, we can start to promote the pub and get it going again, but this is where we need the help of the good and interested people of this forum.

We will be having some leaflets printed up to announce the re-opening of the pub, the menu and the new management and we will be dropping these door to door to get the locals interest. Beyond that, we will be doing some digital promotions that I will detail below.

The website + mailing list
The website is coming very soon, and with the website will be a mailing list. The idea being that we will keep everyone up to date and offer a range of special offers exclusive to the email list + every month someone on the list will win a free meal for two so there is a real good reason for you to sign up.

The website and mailing list is my department and I aim to have this up and running (in some form) by the end of the week. You will be able to subscribe to the mailing list on the site and obviously, the sooner you sign up, the smaller the list, the more chance you have of winning that free meal!

Watch this space for the website!

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Beyond all of that, like any business, lots of money is being ploughed into the pub (ploughed - get it? :)) to get it up to scratch and we need customers, happy, repeat customers to keep making improvements.

The current goals are fairly simple and really just revolves around getting the pub back up to scratch and to start doing the basics well again, beyond that we want to get people in and experiencing the food as we know, once word of mouth starts getting about, we can concentrate on just getting the food on the plates.

So, if you guys are interested in the menu, let me know, also, if any of you want to get on the mailing list before I launch the site just drop me a personal message with your email address and I will get you on the list.

I will also be back as soon as there is anything else to report with regards to the pub, the website, the food etc.

Any questions, just let me know and I will swing by every couple of days and update the thread.

Cheers all!

I'd be interested in seeing a provisional menu.

I'd be interested in seeing a provisional menu.

Me too :-)

Yes please!

Yup.......

Ok folks, this is provisional, but will give you an idea. We need to go through it so I will post it up bit by bit today.

Sarnies

The “Plough” Ploughman’s (V)
Mature Cheddar, home pickled Cucumber, Gem Lettuce & Pickle

Home roast Ham & Mustard
Honey roast Ham & Wholegrain Mustard

Sirloin, Onion & grilled Mushrooms
Seared Sirloin Steak, Caramelised Onions & flash fried Mushrooms

Grilled Pepper, Tomato & Mozzarella (V)
Charred Pepper & Tomato with Herbed Mozzarella

Big B.L.T
Lots of crispy Bacon, Gem Lettuce & Beef Tomato

ALL SERVED ON WHITE OR BROWN BLOOMER BREAD, WITH A DRESSED SALAD

Desserts

Bread & Butter Pudding & rich Butterscotch
Homemade to Mrs Melvin’s original recipe

Trio of Ice Cream with Brandysnap crust
Vanilla with Vanilla pod, Strawberry with Strawberry pieces & Chocolate Chip

Lemon tart with Clotted Cream & candied Lime
A rich Lemon tart with light shortcrust pastry & Devonshire clotted Cream

Summer Pudding with Ginger Ice Cream
Traditional Summer Pudding with Brandied Berries & rich Ginger Ice Cream

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I have got to start work in 5 mins but will go over the starters and mains menu and get that up later today! All feedback welcome and please remember this is just the sarnies and pudding menu, there are starters, light bites and mains to follow!

Ok folks, this is provisional, but will give you an idea. We need to go through it so I will post it up bit by bit today.

Sarnies

The “Plough” Ploughman’s (V)
Mature Cheddar, home pickled Cucumber, Gem Lettuce & Pickle

Home roast Ham & Mustard
Honey roast Ham & Wholegrain Mustard

Sirloin, Onion & grilled Mushrooms
Seared Sirloin Steak, Caramelised Onions & flash fried Mushrooms

Grilled Pepper, Tomato & Mozzarella (V)
Charred Pepper & Tomato with Herbed Mozzarella

Big B.L.T
Lots of crispy Bacon, Gem Lettuce & Beef Tomato

ALL SERVED ON WHITE OR BROWN BLOOMER BREAD, WITH A DRESSED SALAD

Desserts

Bread & Butter Pudding & rich Butterscotch
Homemade to Mrs Melvin’s original recipe

Trio of Ice Cream with Brandysnap crust
Vanilla with Vanilla pod, Strawberry with Strawberry pieces & Chocolate Chip

Lemon tart with Clotted Cream & candied Lime
A rich Lemon tart with light shortcrust pastry & Devonshire clotted Cream

Summer Pudding with Ginger Ice Cream
Traditional Summer Pudding with Brandied Berries & rich Ginger Ice Cream

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I have got to start work in 5 mins but will go over the starters and mains menu and get that up later today! All feedback welcome and please remember this is just the sarnies and pudding menu, there are starters, light bites and mains to follow!

Thanks for that freeradical, the puddings look ok, but the sandwiches are pretty 'conventional', need something a bit more exciting to get bums on seats, but perhaps this will be addressed in the main courses and lighter meals??

The thinking behind the menu, and the sarnies is that we will start with simple food, done really well, nothing to fancy, especially in the sarnies as who really goes and orders a Feta, Rocket and sundried tomato focaccia to go with a pint of ale? Not me at least. :)

Another idea, and something we can do that no other pub does is promote user feedback to the menu options and choices. Once the mailing list is built up we can ask for menu suggestions, select the top 5 and put it to a vote and the winner gets to come in and sample his suggestion - all just an idea at the moment but the pub is for the people, and we want to listen and provide the kind of personal experience that you just don't get at the faceless pubs and chains.

Anyway, back to the matter at hand, here are the starters/light bites, mains and sides:


Smalls

Freshly made soup of the day
Served with a warm crusty bread roll

Flash fried wild Mushrooms & Garlic (V)
On charred toast

70’s Style big Prawn & Crayfish Cocktail
With Wholemeal Bread & Butter

Homemade Chicken Liver Pate
With Warm toasted Ciabatta & homemade Chutney

Baby homemade Salmon cakes
Served with a sweet Chilli dipping sauce


Bigs

The Plough homemade burger
8oz of prime minced Steak with wholegrain Mustard, Horseradish, Onions & Garlic topped with Beef Tomato, Gem Lettuce & Yorkshire Cheese on a toasted Foccacia bun served with homemade fat Chips

Big Fish & Chips
10oz of Haddock fillet in our light lager batter with homemade fat Chips, half Lemon & Minted Pea Puree

Classic Sausage & Mash
Three succulent Pork & Sage Sausages on smooth Mash, with seasonal Vegetables served with pan juice Gravy

Very slow braised Lamb Shank
Served with Lemon Minted Jersey Royals & Honey roast Carrots with a Rosemary & Redcurrant Jus

Roast Squash & Cherry Tomato Risotto (V)
With Goats Cheese Garlic toast


Steaks & Grills

10oz Ribeye Steak
The best cut served with roasted Beef Tomatoes & a large flat Mushroom

8oz Rump Steak
Succulent & tender with roasted Beef Tomatoes & a large flat Mushroom

8oz Gammon
A “Massive” horseshoe served with free range Egg & Pineapple ring

Charred flat Mushrooms (V)
Stuffed with grilled Tomatoes & Courgettes topped with a Parmesan crust

ALL SERVED WITH HOMEMADE FAT CHIPS & DRESSED SALAD


PIES

Braised Beef & Potato with Black Sheep Ale
With baby Onions & pan juice Gravy

Chicken & Smoked Bacon
Free range Chicken, Smoked Bacon & Vegetables

Broccoli, Leek & Yorkshire tasty Cheese (V)
All in a creamy Onion & Garlic sauce

ALL SERVED WITH SMOOTH MASH, SUGARSNAP PEAS & EXTRA PAN JUICE GRAVY


Sides
Fat Chips with Garlic Mayo
Seasonal Vegetables
Dressed mixed Salad
Warm Bread rolls & Butter

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Again, comments and feedback is welcomed and I will pop along again this evening to answer any questions any of you may have.

If you are interested in getting details straight through to your mailbox please message me your email address and I will keep you in the loop.

The Black Sheep Ale pie sounds interesting......

Thanks for that freeradical, the puddings look ok, but the sandwiches are pretty 'conventional', need something a bit more exciting to get bums on seats, but perhaps this will be addressed in the main courses and lighter meals??

This is PUB food for heaven's sake!!! I totally agree with Freeradical about keeping it simple. I certainly don't want any feta, rocket and sun dried tomato focaccias either. This is what spoils pub food.

Hey RedRuby, we agree 100%.

What spoils pub food is two things:

A - a fancy sounding, overpriced menu, with crap ingredients and chef trying to do restauraunt grub on a pub food budget

B - a decent sounding menu of classics, but the food is shipped in, half prepared, cheap as possible and tastes like ****

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So, what is the remedy to this? The way we see it is this: a simple, seasonally rotated menu with a few twists to a whole bunch of modern classics - the key (and I know I am repeating myself here but I wish to stress the point) is that they will be done REALLY WELL.

Everything home made, the right way! High quality, local produce. And the flair of a chef who knows that the best meals are the ones you used to have at home on a sunday cooked by your mom / nan.

Good, simple, well done, home cooked food. (i'm making myself hungry here)

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The comments are all really interesting and useful though, so, please keep them coming. BoyFriday, can you give us some feedback on the rest of the menu? Anything on there that sparks your interest?

I am back to work now but please post any more questions and I will check again later this evening.

Cheers all!

Hey RedRuby, we agree 100%.

What spoils pub food is two things:

A - a fancy sounding, overpriced menu, with crap ingredients and chef trying to do restauraunt grub on a pub food budget

B - a decent sounding menu of classics, but the food is shipped in, half prepared, cheap as possible and tastes like ****

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So, what is the remedy to this? The way we see it is this: a simple, seasonally rotated menu with a few twists to a whole bunch of modern classics - the key (and I know I am repeating myself here but I wish to stress the point) is that they will be done REALLY WELL.

Everything home made, the right way! High quality, local produce. And the flair of a chef who knows that the best meals are the ones you used to have at home on a sunday cooked by your mom / nan.

Good, simple, well done, home cooked food. (i'm making myself hungry here)

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The comments are all really interesting and useful though, so, please keep them coming. BoyFriday, can you give us some feedback on the rest of the menu? Anything on there that sparks your interest?

I am back to work now but please post any more questions and I will check again later this evening.

Cheers all!

Menu looks great - nice selection - and I agree that the sandwiches are better as simple classics done well.
My only 'problem' is with the 'fat chips'. Chips are best as they should be. A fat chip is more like a cheats roast potato!

And I like an option to add to a burger - maybe one of those large flat mushrooms and some of that crispy bacon..mmmmm.

Oh, and a granary / seeded type bread option for the sandwiches..

Hey Ripsaw

thanks for the feedback! I will pass it onto the chef.

Cheers

That menu is sounding very nice indeed! As you say, it doesn't have to be fancy as long as it's well made and tastes good. We'll definitely come and try it.

This is PUB food for heaven's sake!!! I totally agree with Freeradical about keeping it simple. I certainly don't want any feta, rocket and sun dried tomato focaccias either. This is what spoils pub food.

Ok calm down!

I'm not a fan of feta, rocket or sun dried tomato myself..don't recall saying I
I was!

Let's not forget this was/is a business that was struggling, even though it was reknowed for it's food, which I thoroughly enjoyed previously..with not a rocket leaf or sun dried tomato in sight!

It's a very very competitive market, as Goldenfleece will tell you, and to get the locals, visitors to Hallam FC and the wider community to visit in the numbers to make it viable will need some seriously original thinking..that was the point I was making :)

The comments are all really interesting and useful though, so, please keep them coming. BoyFriday, can you give us some feedback on the rest of the menu? Anything on there that sparks your interest?


Hi freeradical, the mains look slightly more exciting than the sandwiches, and I think you rightly place the emphasis on home cooked food and fresh ingredients.

I also agree it should be simple, but that doesn't have to translate into boring, which is what I thought of the sandwich suggestions.

I had never been a visitor to The Plough before a year ago, but one menu item that took me back again and again were the fat, homemade chips, fried hard and unpeeled..you can't get much simpler or easy to prepare than that!

Once a committed diner I then enjoyed other dishes from the menu, knowing that a pub kitchen that can get the chips right is likely to do other things well too...hope you enjoy similar success with your ethos..and well done for listening to your potential customers :)

The only Golden Fleece pub I know is in Nottingham, and I think there's one in YOrk or around that area too. Was there one in SHeffield?

Yes the Dove is mine, and interested to know what the DOve looked like last time you were here. I am trying DESPERATELY to source some old photos but I cant find anything except a few exterior shots in the SHeffield Archives......

Think I was mistaken with the Golden Fleece pub in Sheffield. Must have been somewhere else. God knows where I was!

Sorry, can't help with any photos or description of the Dove. Must have been early 80s when I was last in there, and it was always so packed, you couldn't actually see the internal decor! In fact, I think we mainly used to stand outside. I'll ask around see if anyone else has pics.