Im going to be ordering this soon but i just need to kno a few things about compatability. My motherboard is an MSI at 400FSB, and ill soon have 1024mb of DDR PC2700 ram. Will this CPU work ok with my system?

http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=62051

Or theres this CPU i could also get, but dont kno which is better :huh:

http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=55149

Thanks

Cmon guys i really need help ASAP with this.

Originally posted by _Fate_
Cmon guys i really need help ASAP with this. Im really not up on the newer processors but if you do a search on your MB it should tell you what it will take.:thumbsup:

ok thanx bikertec. I was hoping Xafier would see this. Lol hes really helpful :D

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how the hell do u find out what kind of motherboard u have/ its full name? I threw out the box. :huh:

Simply put, no.

Keep in mind- You were corrected by an American....

Originally posted by _Fate_
Cmon guys i really need help ASAP with this.

Originally posted by _Fate_
Lol. They american? :hihi:

Originally posted by Immortal
Simply put, no.

Keep in mind- You were corrected by an American....


:hihi: This is hilarious........I believe a thanks is in order _Fate_ ;)

Hi sorry I can't help,but the tekkies will be up and about soon.
My problem is I seem to miss some posts.Vidster made apost with this quote in - Quote:
Originally posted by _Fate_
Lol. They american?

Now there is nowhere in this thread where that appears on my computer.

Originally posted by _Fate_
ill soon have 1024mb of DDR PC2700 ram. Will this CPU work ok with my system?

I haven't even bothered to look at your links because the PC2700 thing smacked me in the face...

PC2700 RAM is only supposed to run at 166mhz (333 DDR), an XP3200 processor is supposed to have a FSB of 200mhz (400 DDR)... therefore even if your mobo is compatabile... which it probably is...

you would have a serious performance problem in the fact you'd have to run your CPU and memory FSB's out of sync, which degrades performance and is generally a bad idea.

Seriously _Fate_ mate, your really not thinking much outside a tiny little box, you've had about 5 posts so far on possible upgrades for your PC and they've mostly been minor things...

If you really want to upgrade your PC then save your money for a few months and make a big jump! Go for an Athlon 64bit system, with one of the top of the range cards...

anything else really wont give you much of a performance upgrade, you'll notice hardly anything in most applications... including games...

Bluntly put, if you got this CPU you'd be wasting your money as you wouldn't use it to its full potential...

then theres also the fact its cheaper to get a 2500+ and just overclock it to XP3200+ speeds anyways, because the only difference between them is the FSB, the 2500+ runs at 166mhz and the 3200+ at 200mhz... they have the same clock multiplier and they used to be made on the same factory line, not sure if they are now

But ... but .. :cry:

A already have an XP2500! :huh: Its at 2.1GHZ, how much more overclocking can it take?

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I just spoke to my mate on the phone who is also a tekhead. He told me to download a prog called CPU-Z which tells u all about yer pc, what frequency everything is running at. And it turns out my RAM is a bit dodgy. I have 3 sticks of 256mb, my first slot can run at 166MHZ, and the other two at 133MHZ, my board can take 400mhz, and Xafier, the AMD Athlon XP 3200+ processor i want is 400MHZ (if u looked at the link), so i think what i need to do is get some 3200 400MHZ RAM, to go with this CPU. Then im sorted, Right ?

You dare to try and correct me boy? :P Read what you want, the XP3200 runs on a 200mhz FSB, and PC3200 RAM is 200mhz... but they run on DDR, which stands for double data rate, which means it sends/recieves information on the up and low beat of the information flow...

I know what I'm talking about mate, I've been building PC's for years and helping on overclocking forums for a long time ;)

your XP2500 isn't running at XP2500 speeds if its at 2.1Ghz because the XP2500 is meant to be running at:

11 x 166 = 1826mhz

anyways, if you buy yourself a gig of PC3200 RAM you won't need the new CPU because you can just set your XP2500+ CPU up to 200mhz FSB for the memory and the CPU and you'll be sorted... provided you've got decent CPU cooling and system cooling?

you might have to crank the CPU's core voltage upto maybe 1.7v from its default 1.65v for it to be totally stable...

but your way forward is to get some decent RAM, if what your saying is correct then you've got some PC2700 and PC2100 RAM in there... so damn, you've got some nasty bottlenecking going off with your RAM...

who overclocked your PC for you? because they must have made a right pigs ear of it :P

I personally overclocked it. But i still dont understand what ive got to do. :cry:
My mates telling me what to do, and then theres you telling me about my pc aswell. Im really confused. What are you trying to say by 'Your XP2500 isnt running at XP2500 speeds if its at 2.1GHZ' ?
Please try and sound a little simpler. Not everyone is as smart as you! lol

Why the need for all this speed? It seems that xp2500 would be fast enough.Mine is AMD 1.1ghz, admittedly I don't play games on it.OK it may take a couple of minutes to print some stuff, but I get chance to make a cup of coffee.It seems to me a lot of people are now trying to keep up with their computers.
A simple non tekkie explanation would be a great help.

Put simply... Xafier is saying you are asking if you should put a truck engine in a mini...

Sure the engine might fit but the car chassis won't perform to the full capacity of the engine so why bother upgrading.


The key thing you need to understand is that you have RAM that is not running at the optimum speed.. so if you want to increase your system to run at its potential then you should upgrade the RAM first..

However as Xafier also notes, if you're going to go that route anyway, you might as well think about a new motherboard, RAM and CPU...

Looking at it... personally I'd suggest you save up till you can do all of it... not go the piecemeal route..

Nice summing up there Martin ;)

Bluntly put, your wasting money with an upgrade from XP2500 to XP3200... the speed difference isn't all that much, I know, because I've done it...

The thing that makes the biggest performance difference is the FSB, and seen as your confused with that term, it means Front Side Bus...

It's the speed at which memory is shuffled accross your motherboard... I'll try and use an analogy...

you have a package with some information in it that needs sorting out... you give two people the same package...

the distance is 200 metres, your first runner is Linford Christie, the 2nd is some 12 year old girl... they're travelling the same distance, with the same thing...

who do you think will win? ;) remember its the same information, at the end of the day the same person will be computing it...

yup you guessed it! with your PC2100 RAM the little 12yr old girl won! :D oh wait... no she didnt, if you'd had PC3200 RAM Linford Christie would have been there about 20 seconds before her :P

if you really MUST upgrade your PC, then take ALL your RAM out and put some PC3200 ram in, go into your BIOS settings and try again at overclocking...

set the memory speed to 200mhz, the CPU multiplier is probably locked, but set it to 11 anyways, set the CPU's FSB to 200mhz, the CPU's core voltage to 1.7v and you will have an XP3200... with most motherboards it will even say XP3200+ when it boots up :)

Well this is the first time i have ever been able to understand what most of you pc builders/upgraders are saying.
Thanks for raising the question matsalleh, it's helped me out a lot :thumbsup: .

Maybe xafier, Martin_s and anyone else who is in the know could start a thread about this sort of thing to go along with the Windows tips thread? ;) .

Thanks a lot Xafier, i finally understand. But i already planned to get a whole new lot of ram anyway. Ive spotted some Kingston 3200 512 DDR 400MHZ Ram on Ebuyer which i will now proceed to order. I'll see how it works with my current processor before thinking ordering the 3200.

THANKYOU :clap: :D

NOOOOOOOOO! My mate just did sum research on my motherboard and it cant even take a 3200+ or even a 3000+ !!?? :cry::rant:

Is this true? My Mobo is an MSI MS 6712 KT4AV

its true, your motherboard doesn't support 200mhz (400 DDR) memory, or CPU's that are meant to run on that FSB... looks like your buggered mate...

just save up about £300 and then get an athlon 64 and mobo and RAM ;) and then maybe another £300 for a kick ass graphics card...

or just be content with what you've got?

Ive just ordered some Kingston 512MB PC3200 400MHZ Ram from Ebuyer! :shocked:

There is a good review of motherboards in the current issue of Computer Shopper magazine. It includes benchmark test etc...
The last issue had a processor review but i forgot to buy that one :(.

It may be worth a read?.

i havent got time to go buy a magazine! i need xafier to tell me if i should cancel the order or not! :shocked:

http://www.msicomputer.com/msiforms/KT4AV_recommend.asp

thats off their offical site... personally I'd consider cancelling, as they may or may not work... I dunno...

this is why you give people as much info as you can before asking for advice ;) then you dont get into a pickle!

What do u mean they 'may or may not work' :cry:

Ive just made a £109 order and you say 'may'!? Whats my alternative in terms of RAM that would improve my PC performance?

:: EDIT ::

I dont understand that table. :(
I was looking at this one before : http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/mainboard/mbd/pro_mbd_detail.php?UID=362&MODEL=MS-6712

:: EDIT 2 ::

ive just spotted THIS similar ram at 333MHZ, will THIS work?

http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=33075

Yes that will work fine, and stop PM'ing me like a mad man... people will start thinking I'm gay when they see my inbox is 99% full of PM's from guys... and 99% of those are yours :P

sorry Xafier but im really eager to get the right thing. I dont want to recieve this ram and have it not be compatible when its cost me £100!!
And ive cancelled the order and can now feel safe in getting that 333 alternative.
Thanks again! :thumbsup: