Should people with mobility passes or Oap's and Children pay half fare when travelling on public transport?
Well my personal view is that they should just like they do in many other cities across the UK.

The current system is often abused as hardly any kids show their passes in order to claim their reduced fare, and the same goes for a lot of oap's, so if they were charged a full half fare then the Council tax payer may get a farer deal through the funding he/she provides to the SYPTE.

If anybody could not prove their age and the Driver was unsure of their age because they look borderline they could be issued with a Half Fare rather then a standard 40p then the tax payer would not have to subsidise the scroungers who try to avoid paying full fare so much.

Its one of the things that used to annoy me when i was a driver the amount of times people would try to get on for 40p and me knowing that it was coming out of my council tax.

The next time you are on a bus or Tram just look how many times people ask for 40p without showing a pass and you will see what i mean. ITS YOUR COUNCIL TAX THEIR WASTING!

Hey unners

I wasnt aware that the goverment had to fund kids and bids fares, how long has this been happening.

Why dont the bus companys just let the kids and bids on the buses with passes and not claim money from the goverment?

How much do bus companies claim off the goverment per annum?

It should go back to being 2p for kids and 5p for adults, but that will never happen.

They should get a pass from school/college till they are about 16 and when i was that age we always had to show it or pay full fare. when i was a little girl and it was 2p things were so much simpler, i can remember the outrage at the increase to 5p! my mum used to pay for me and my sister by saying "one and two halves please".

I think I'll risk a couple of quid on my council tax so a forgetful old dear doesn't have to use her meager pension to pay the full or even half of the extortionately high fares

Erm... £1.20 for a 5 minute journey... why? do buses have tea and biscuits included in the fare?

Public transport should be free to all Sheffield Council Tax payers and their chlldren.

Visitors should pay for a £3 daily rover.

Yes, the Transport Executive subsidises the difference between the 40p concession fare and the full fare. That's why they have to be strict and only give the discount to pass holders who prove they qualify - to qualify you have to be resident in South Yorkshire as well as be a child/disabled/pensioner/whatever.

Originally posted by jonsastar
Hey unners

I wasnt aware that the goverment had to fund kids and bids fares, how long has this been happening.

Why dont the bus companys just let the kids and bids on the buses with passes and not claim money from the goverment?

How much do bus companies claim off the goverment per annum?

The council tax funds the SYPTE who subsidise the 40p fare so everytime someone get on the train/bus/tram and asks for a 40p fare the bus/train/tram company then claims the difference in the price of the fare back from the SYPTE or in other words the Council Tax Payer...You and Me.
Whilst you are on the Bus and someone asks for a Mobility 40p just have a look at the person asking for it,half of the time there is nothing wrong with them.

There seams to be a devide in the city, lets say on a route like the 95 at the Walkley end of town nearly everyone would show passes but you wouldnt get many mobility passes but when it goes up past Park Hill,City Road,Intake etc then all the mobility passes come out in force,and all the teenages expect a 40p as their right,whether they be of School age or working.

Originally posted by nick2
It should go back to being 2p for kids and 5p for adults, but that will never happen.

That would be a lot simpler and itwould stop people taking the system for a ride.

I think I'll risk a couple of quid on my council tax so a forgetful old dear doesn't have to use her meager pension to pay the full or even half of the extortionately high fares

That statement (not that I disagree with it) is looking a bit incongruous sitting on top of your signature Ole :P

Originally posted by Siân
That statement (not that I disagree with it) is looking a bit incongruous sitting on top of your signature Ole :P

Damn didn't realise the sigs were back!

Anyways, my money for the old dears is money well spent, everyone else buy a car!

The 40p concessionary fare does not mean that the difference is paid between the 40p and the full fare.

It's averaged out, what the average journey costs, and, for every 40p ticket issued, the passenger transport executive (not the council) pays the difference to THAT on each fare to the bus/ tram/ train company, in order to keep a lower-fare subsidy for pensioners, children, or disabled folks.

It gets that set amount whether the 40p fare covers a journey of one single stop, or a train/ bus journey, to Doncaster, Rotherham, or Barnsley etc.

PT

Originally posted by jonsastar
Hey unners

I wasnt aware that the goverment had to fund kids and bids fares, how long has this been happening.

Why dont the bus companys just let the kids and bids on the buses with passes and not claim money from the goverment?

How much do bus companies claim off the goverment per annum?

My daughter lost her bus pass which is issued by the school on a regular basis. we are a bit out in the sticks and live a distance from school, so unless I take them they have a long journey. On a couple of occasions my daughter as gone for the bus without her pass due to her losing it, and the bus driver wouldn't let her on... saying she could be anyone and that he wasn't to know she was a school kid, and that she would have to pay ful price... My daughter wears a uniform for school..... which is quite obvioius to see, I mean what kid would willingly wear the horrible things unless made to do so... and so she explained this and said i'm wearing my uniform... so the bus driver said, you look older than school age... get off the bus unless you are paying full price... derrrr.... I mean was it coming out of his wages... what difference does it make to him...

Originally posted by Plain Talker
The 40p concessionary fare does not mean that the difference is paid between the 40p and the full fare.

It's averaged out, what the average journey costs, and, for every 40p ticket issued, the passenger transport executive (not the council) pays the difference to THAT on each fare to the bus/ tram/ train company, in order to keep a lower-fare subsidy for pensioners, children, or disabled folks.

It gets that set amount whether the 40p fare covers a journey of one single stop, or a train/ bus journey, to Doncaster, Rotherham, or Barnsley etc.

PT

Actually from time to time SYPTE do send out surveyers on the buses who sit at the front of the bus and record where people get on with concessionary passes, and the subsidy is generally based on this.

Originally posted by plodder
My daughter lost her bus pass which is issued by the school on a regular basis. we are a bit out in the sticks and live a distance from school, so unless I take them they have a long journey. On a couple of occasions my daughter as gone for the bus without her pass due to her losing it, and the bus driver wouldn't let her on... saying she could be anyone and that he wasn't to know she was a school kid, and that she would have to pay ful price... My daughter wears a uniform for school..... which is quite obvioius to see, I mean what kid would willingly wear the horrible things unless made to do so... and so she explained this and said i'm wearing my uniform... so the bus driver said, you look older than school age... get off the bus unless you are paying full price... derrrr.... I mean was it coming out of his wages... what difference does it make to him...

Well it is the drivers job on the line. and they are checked up on from time to time. The rule is to get the passholders fare, the passenger MUST show the pass. It is a condition of having the pass, and it is up to the passenger to ensure they have the pass. As the poster campaign on the buses once said 'the driver has no choice, you do'.

Do you have the same attitude if you lose a credit card or passport?

Im not bothered about the kids paying 40p, it's the fact they have relexed the rules so that under 16 can travel after 10pm

75/76 service after 9pm = Anti-Social-Behaviour.

Originally posted by Unregistered
Public transport should be free to all Sheffield Council Tax payers and their chlldren.

Visitors should pay for a £3 daily rover.
I like that idea.

Well, I use a mobility pass, so my bus and tram fares are 40p. However, if when I didn't use my pass I'd pay half fare, I'd never show it because it would work out less than 40p!

if it wasn't for 40p fares you might find a lot of off peak trams and buses would not run, because they would not be viable. So maybe the 40p is subsidising the rest!

In London they pensioers dont pay on the bus or the underground it should be same for all pensioners

Hmm I can see where you're coming from Plodder, but if an inspector gets on and looks at everyone's tickets and passes, it's not good news for the driver's job if half the kids don't have passes. Even though they may look like a 14 year old, they could be a 20 year old late bloomer :D hehe. Back in West Yorkshire it's half the adult fare, which is probably a better system as it more accurately contributes to the length of the journey. A 3 stop ride would cost 20p, a 45 minute one 65p - still good value for money either end of the price range really!!

evreyone who uses public transport should pay full fare the unemployed have to pay full fare so why charge the oaps half fare they should pay the full fare

Originally posted by craigmason
evreyone who uses public transport should pay full fare the unemployed have to pay full fare so why charge the oaps half fare they should pay the full fare

People on JSA (ie unemployed people) can get a reduced price weekly bus ticket, I understand.

OAPs, people on JSA and other benefits, absolutely should pay a reduced fare! Otherwise the potential risk of isolation, lack of ability to carry out food shopping, attend appointments are huge.

i am unemployed and have pay the full price and have never seen a reduced rate ticket for the unemployed it would be fair if the unemployed paid half fair :clap:

what about all the salad dogers they should pay double for taking two seats up:D :thumbsup:

Originally posted by craigmason
i am unemployed and have pay the full price and have never seen a reduced rate ticket for the unemployed it would be fair if the unemployed paid half fair :clap:

children and the retired oap's are on a restricted income. OAP's have presumably already made a contribution to society and children have no means of earning money, so both groups should have the reduced fair.

I don't know whether the unemployed can get reduced fairs or not, but i'm not sure why they should. They have the potential to go and earn money, although reimbursing them for the cost of attending job interviews might be a good idea.

Public Transport- Should Kids/Oaps pay Half fare?
This is the same as saying should adults pay double?

If adults had to pay double, so they subsidised groups like children/oaps, then it would make Taxis relatively cheap and much more viable. Then we would finish up with 2ce as many Taxis in Sheffield adding considerably to the gridlock.

I think the only way you could make busses work like they should, with cheap fares and cheaper fares for diserving groups like oaps and Children and Disabled, would be to have a single bus company, centrally controlled like in the old days. Which is publicly subsidised. This would make late busses viable again, and we wouldn't have lots of different bus companies on the most popular routes and none on the quiet ones, making people in less popular districts isolated.

i think the only people who should get half price fares are kids under 16 the and unemployed and the disabled .The oaps should be means tested before they get half fares and if they qualify give them half price fares as many of the oaps are very well off and can afford the full fare :clap: :clap: :clap:

you talk about it as if it doesn't currently happen. But it does, and the effects you've predicted with taxi's haven't happened. It's still good value for adults to use public transport compared to taxis. I suppose that's because everyone who pays tax subsidises the fares rather than just the people who use public transport.
We're safe from a taxi gridlock for the moment I think.

Originally posted by muddycoffee
Public Transport- Should Kids/Oaps pay Half fare?
This is the same as saying should adults pay double?

If adults had to pay double, so they subsidised groups like children/oaps, then it would make Taxis relatively cheap and much more viable. Then we would finish up with 2ce as many Taxis in Sheffield adding considerably to the gridlock.

I think the only way you could make busses work like they should, with cheap fares and cheaper fares for diserving groups like oaps and Children and Disabled, would be to have a single bus company, centrally controlled like in the old days. Which is publicly subsidised. This would make late busses viable again, and we wouldn't have lots of different bus companies on the most popular routes and none on the quiet ones, making people in less popular districts isolated.

Ok Cyclone, I am not aware of what children/oaps pay so I was assumung the questionner was asking about a halving of what they currently pay. As an adult who drives everywhere usually, but uses busses at weekends where I go out at night to drink in town sometimes, I am happy to pay £1.20 or whatever it is. Usually there is 2 of us and we are happy to go into town from woodseats on the bus. We would happily pay £3 each to get in a taxi instead, but we don't 'cause there's a bus.

Originally posted by plodder
My daughter lost her bus pass which is issued by the school on a regular basis. we are a bit out in the sticks and live a distance from school, so unless I take them they have a long journey. On a couple of occasions my daughter as gone for the bus without her pass due to her losing it, and the bus driver wouldn't let her on... saying she could be anyone and that he wasn't to know she was a school kid, and that she would have to pay ful price... My daughter wears a uniform for school..... which is quite obvioius to see, I mean what kid would willingly wear the horrible things unless made to do so... and so she explained this and said i'm wearing my uniform... so the bus driver said, you look older than school age... get off the bus unless you are paying full price... derrrr.... I mean was it coming out of his wages... what difference does it make to him...

I left school 3 years ago (and now pay full fare to get to work everyday) and I have noticed that some people that attended school with me have kept their uniform jumpers and also use the argument "well why would I wear if I wasn't going to school?" Some even borrow younger siblings uniform shirts/jumpers and a few have even been known to stick a passport picture of themselves over the original photo on an under 16 megacard/proof of age pass! I therefore completely agree with the driver asking to see her pass.

Maybe if she had lost her pass she could have done the same as my younger sister until she made it to the transport executive for a new one, and used her passport or birth certificate to prove her age. It's not the driver's fault, he was only doing his job!

In the past (until Thatcher came) our rates used to subsidise bus fares and I believe Sheffield was one of the cheapest places in the country for bus travel,and better service.

Originally posted by muddycoffee
Ok Cyclone, I am not aware of what children/oaps pay so I was assumung the questionner was asking about a halving of what they currently pay. As an adult who drives everywhere usually, but uses busses at weekends where I go out at night to drink in town sometimes, I am happy to pay £1.20 or whatever it is. Usually there is 2 of us and we are happy to go into town from woodseats on the bus. We would happily pay £3 each to get in a taxi instead, but we don't 'cause there's a bus.

same here, but as a child I always used to get a reduced fair and I can still see the adverts on the bus and tram telling oap's to renew theirs as the deadline approaches each year. I guess they were advocating increasing the fair for most journeys for the young and old as the amount they pay is generally less than half of the journey except for very short journeys maybe.

Originally posted by matsalleh
In the past (until Thatcher came) our rates used to subsidise bus fares and I believe Sheffield was one of the cheapest places in the country for bus travel,and better service.
Yes I remember those days and paying 2p everywhere. The busses were extremely good and very regular, and all had conductors! when they were subsidised by the rates. But our rates were the highest in England. You can't have it both ways.

Originally posted by plodder
My daughter lost her bus pass which is issued by the school on a regular basis. we are a bit out in the sticks and live a distance from school, so unless I take them they have a long journey. On a couple of occasions my daughter as gone for the bus without her pass due to her losing it, and the bus driver wouldn't let her on... saying she could be anyone and that he wasn't to know she was a school kid, and that she would have to pay ful price... My daughter wears a uniform for school..... which is quite obvioius to see, I mean what kid would willingly wear the horrible things unless made to do so... and so she explained this and said i'm wearing my uniform... so the bus driver said, you look older than school age... get off the bus unless you are paying full price... derrrr.... I mean was it coming out of his wages... what difference does it make to him...

It makes a difference to him because it is his job. The amount of times i used to hear the words"ive forgotten my pass" i counted it once on one round trip and the total was 6!!!! in the space of 1.5 hours.If an inspector had got on then i would have been upstairs in the office getting a warning for pass abuse. If she had lost her pass you should have given her £1.40 asked for a ticket to the interchange where she could have got a new pass and problem solved. If i had kids i would make sure that they had their pass before sending them of to school or is that to complecated?

if i were a bus driver my responce to someone saying they have no pass is you have to pay full fare if they did not have the money for a full fare ticket then i would not them on the bus

Originally posted by unners
It makes a difference to him because it is his job. The amount of times i used to hear the words"ive forgotten my pass" i counted it once on one round trip and the total was 6!!!! in the space of 1.5 hours.If an inspector had got on then i would have been upstairs in the office getting a warning for pass abuse. If she had lost her pass you should have given her £1.40 asked for a ticket to the interchange where she could have got a new pass and problem solved. If i had kids i would make sure that they had their pass before sending them of to school or is that to complecated?

Well said!

A fair price for a journey would be a start. Supertram charge 90p from middlewood to Shalesmoor, irrespectively. If I want to do a load of shopping in hillsborough its a rip off.

But if I was to do a central journey the same distance in town its cheaper!???

Bus drivers charge rates according to how far we travel. Hell I once got on a strange route and asked the driver how far to the uni, he told me, I paid. Then the stop before I wanted he threw me off because I had not paid to the correct stop!!

Conductors on trams would easily be able to remember where people got on, surely.

Dont get it! Not fair at all.

The current system is often abused as hardly any kids show their passes in order to claim their reduced fare, and the same goes for a lot of oap's, so if they were charged a full half fare then the Council tax payer may get a farer deal through the funding he/she provides to the SYPTE.


OK, you should really show your pass when trying to get the 40p fare, but because so many people get away with it, doesn't that show that drivers just can't be bothered to check?

OK, you should really show your pass when trying to get the 40p fare, but because so many people get away with it, doesn't that show that drivers just can't be bothered to check?
Have you realised the date of this thread and that now us sponging oldies actually get any ride for......FREE;)

Have you realised the date of this thread and that now us sponging oldies actually get any ride for......FREE;)

Yep - but I like looking through old threads. So far I'm on page 303 - yay!

yes because the unemployed have to pay full fare so why let oap's and children only pay half

I don't mind the under 16s pass, but after that they should stop giving them out until we're all old - NONE OF THOSE "COLLEGE PASSES" THAT LET YOU GO ON CHEAP TILL YOUR 18...when commuting each day it cost me a lot because I messed up my GCSE's twice and was too old for a cheap pass eventually when I should have been allowed one as a COLLEGE student during my A2 year

yes because the unemployed have to pay full fare so why let oap's and children only pay half



Maybe because senior citizens have probably, (like me) payed their taxes for the last 50 years,saved for their pension,and still pay all their council tax and are not drawing on things they have yet to contribute to.

sorry but i disagree with ur comment u do not have to be wheelchair bound etc to be disabled

Ancient history.....as from last April, us OAP's travel free.......:)

Public transport should be free to all Sheffield Council Tax payers and their chlldren.

Visitors should pay for a £3 daily rover.
...Visitors generally bring money into the city and spend it.
Are you classing 'visitors' as people from outside the Sheff boundary who come into work there, visit friends/family in hospital,go to the theatre, etc,etc.
It would not be unreasonable, in my opinion, for people entitled to subsidised / free fares, to pay 50p for all day unlimited travel.

Should people with mobility passes or Oap's and Children pay half fare when travelling on public transport?
Well my personal view is that they should just like they do in many other cities across the UK.

The current system is often abused as hardly any kids show their passes in order to claim their reduced fare, and the same goes for a lot of oap's, so if they were charged a full half fare then the Council tax payer may get a farer deal through the funding he/she provides to the SYPTE.

If anybody could not prove their age and the Driver was unsure of their age because they look borderline they could be issued with a Half Fare rather then a standard 40p then the tax payer would not have to subsidise the scroungers who try to avoid paying full fare so much.

Its one of the things that used to annoy me when i was a driver the amount of times people would try to get on for 40p and me knowing that it was coming out of my council tax.

The next time you are on a bus or Tram just look how many times people ask for 40p without showing a pass and you will see what i mean. ITS YOUR COUNCIL TAX THEIR WASTING!


Will you apply for a pass when you become sixty?

children under 16 should be the next group to receive free fares, old people have got theirs and have considerably more money than children (tbf they do give most of it away to their own children and grandchildren but still), maybe hospital staff should be given reduced/free fares too.
students should also receive a reduced fare roughly half price
For the time being the unemployed and employed should pay full fare,
as cyclone suggested it might be an idea to reimburse the unemployed bus fares to a proven interview upon proof of journey, but why should they travel for free? it would make more sense to give the employed free travel to work as they are paying taxes.
Ideally sheffield could have a free bus service for all which runs 24/7 365days a year, and drivers working bank holidays get double pay. (funded by council tax)

Public transport should be free to all Sheffield Council Tax payers and their chlldren.

Visitors should pay for a £3 daily rover.

Reading through this thread and the one on a similar subject that eventually got closed I have to ask. .......
Is it a common belief that if I came home to Sheffield for a visit I would be able to use my free bus pass during my visit?.....:suspect:
I don't think so.....just as when visitors come here they aren't able to use theirs either. Not yet anyway but it IS in the pipeline.:thumbsup:

It should go back to being 2p for kids and 5p for adults, but that will never happen.
id be happy to pay 40p like the kids are paying now lol

I am a "Senior Citizen" and I pay Income Tax on my pension, I get £200 as a fuel allowance every Winter, £10 Chritmas Box each year and now I travel for NOW'T when I decide to go to town. Going to town doesn't happen very often and I don't take my car because of the Parking problems and cost.

I didn't ask for my Public Transport fares to be taken off. I didn't balk at paying 40p for a journey on the buses or tram and I don't complain about paying a full Council Tax which takes £103 per month out of my pension. When I think about what I get for my Council Tax I reckon I am well in credit for the few times a year I use the Public Transport system. I get my bins emptied once a week when I have to put the bin out so the "Waste Disposal Operatives" can easily move it to the mechnical lifting gear on the Muck cart. I get lighting in the street, which is on all night whether it is needed or not, and that is about all I get. I pay the Water Board for my water, the Electricity folk for my electricity and I pay for my Gas so they don't come for peanuts. For over 45 years I paid my dues and demands so that most of you who are moaning about my free bus pass could be educated for nothing, those of you who don't work could get your dole, and also for the childrens allowances and other benefits which some of you get. Now I am travelling for free I think it is about time you blasted moaners began re-paying your debts.

Well said escafeldia. I couldn't have put it better.:thumbsup:

[QUOTE=unners]
The current system is often abused as hardly any kids show their passes in order to claim their reduced fare, and the same goes for a lot of oap's, so if they were charged a full half fare then the Council tax payer may get a farer deal through the funding he/she provides to the SYPTE.

I cant say I agree with this. Kids do have to show there pass otherwise cant travel for 40p! As for old age pensioners - you may change your mind on this issue when you get to their age!!:)

Well said escafeldia. I couldn't have put it better.:thumbsup:

I agree - three cheers for escafeldia! :clap: The only difference for me is - I use my pass a LOT!

I am a "Senior Citizen" ...
When I think about what I get for my Council Tax I reckon I am well in credit for the few times a year I use the Public Transport system. I get my bins emptied once a week when I have to put the bin out so the "Waste Disposal Operatives" can easily move it to the mechnical lifting gear on the Muck cart. I get lighting in the street, which is on all night whether it is needed or not, and that is about all I get. I

If you're in credit then most of the rest of us must be as well.
I don't get any extra services provided simply for being young and I pay just as much council tax.

So either the council are hoarding it all away, or we're not really all in credit at all...

Whilst you are on the Bus and someone asks for a Mobility 40p just have a look at the person asking for it,half of the time there is nothing wrong with them.

Hi Unners,

You think your badly done to? you should try living here in west lancashire, all pensioners with a pass have to pay half fare, which is around 60p per journey, disabled pass users it a standard fare of 50p, normal fare is £1.20 single, we cant get returns, so it either full price for a single or a day rider at £3.50

If you not show ya pass they make ya pay full fare, and going on what you say by looking at someone you can tell, there is a guy i know in my home town, he is virtually blind, you can tell with the glasses he wears, the lens's are almost 1 inch thick, he has a white stick, and one day while on the bus, him and his carer got on the bus, and cause his carer had forgotten his pass, and everyone who knows him knows he is a pass holder, he was made to pay full fare...

Which, I do agree with, no pass, no subsidee, but still, was a bit shady too....

On the other side of the coin though hun, someone can be really ill and look healthy, I should know, for almost 4 years of living in severe pain, everyone used to say to me, hey kai, your looking good today, even my doctor thought i was trying to pull a con for a while, till i ended up calling for an ambulance to take me to hospital and almost died....

So dont judge people on how they may look, just cause a person may not look like they are diabled, doesnt meen to say they are faking for a cheap fare.

Miss Kai XxX

i say let the kids on for free and let the bids pay full fare

Should people with mobility passes or Oap's and Children pay half fare when travelling on public transport?
Well my personal view is that they should just like they do in many other cities across the UK.

The current system is often abused as hardly any kids show their passes in order to claim their reduced fare, and the same goes for a lot of oap's, so if they were charged a full half fare then the Council tax payer may get a farer deal through the funding he/she provides to the SYPTE.

If anybody could not prove their age and the Driver was unsure of their age because they look borderline they could be issued with a Half Fare rather then a standard 40p then the tax payer would not have to subsidise the scroungers who try to avoid paying full fare so much.

Its one of the things that used to annoy me when i was a driver the amount of times people would try to get on for 40p and me knowing that it was coming out of my council tax.

The next time you are on a bus or Tram just look how many times people ask for 40p without showing a pass and you will see what i mean. ITS YOUR COUNCIL TAX THEIR WASTING!


I know why not get on the tram and refuse to pay:hihi: everyone else does, and gets away with it :shakes:

Hi Susie,

To be honest, I dont actually mind buying a dayrider at £3.50 and making most of it, what I think is scandalous is the fact that half the time the busses dont run well, cant guarentee them to turn up, a lot of bus services only run till about 5pm then knock off, and they keep putting up fares while the services get worse....

If I knew a service run till say midnight, and the last few busses were guarenteed to turn up, I would gladly pay that £3.50, i think most would, but when ya getting a crappy service most of the time, cant really blame people trying to get the service for less....

Doesnt excuse them doing that though. :)


I dont know what your services are like, but here is an example arriva in west lancashire...

about 4 years back, we had a liverpool bus that ran every 30 minutes.

now lots of the time one of them was either really late or didnt turn up.

So the residents got together and complained about it.

A week later in the local paper, a letter from Arriva said:

Due to the lack of support by local residents, We are now withdrawing one of the busses and thus the new times will be once an hour.

The they made it so the bus only comes through our town at weekends, then just recently they withdrew 2 other services and put the service back on through our area but also to include the service routes they knocked off....

So basically what it boils down to is this.

instead of having a regular service around 6 area's of the town, we now have one service per hour to cover all of them.

And the fares have just gone up again.

So just be glad you live in Yorkshire, as if you came to west lancs, you would know your badly done to with public transport.

Miss Kai XxX

to tell you the truth dont use buses so dont really care

Should people with mobility passes or Oap's and Children pay half fare when travelling on public transport?
Well my personal view is that they should just like they do in many other cities across the UK.

The current system is often abused as hardly any kids show their passes in order to claim their reduced fare, and the same goes for a lot of oap's, so if they were charged a full half fare then the Council tax payer may get a farer deal through the funding he/she provides to the SYPTE.

If anybody could not prove their age and the Driver was unsure of their age because they look borderline they could be issued with a Half Fare rather then a standard 40p then the tax payer would not have to subsidise the scroungers who try to avoid paying full fare so much.

Its one of the things that used to annoy me when i was a driver the amount of times people would try to get on for 40p and me knowing that it was coming out of my council tax.

The next time you are on a bus or Tram just look how many times people ask for 40p without showing a pass and you will see what i mean. ITS YOUR COUNCIL TAX THEIR WASTING!its so wrong, its a rip off... you use the bus you should pay! Why do/should oaps/disabled pass holders.. travel for free?? they get as much money to live on for free... as people who work get and they still have to pay full??? if a kid get on the bus (as my daughter once did) without their pass, they pay full fare or walk, (as my daughter ended up doing) if an oap for got their pass do they have to walk, or do they get ( It dont matter....) vote?? rip-off=con=first!!

I think if the OAPs and disabled people were to have to pay a fare aswell as the kids then fares could be made more reasonable for all of us!! Why not charge every1 the same and make the fares cheaper?? So instead of paying £1.90 to get to town I could then pay say £1!! This would encourage more people to use the buses and the profits of the company would not drop. I dont see why I should subsidise other people at all, if they made fares cheaper, everyone could afford them!! And dont give me any crap about them not being able to afford the fares......I'm probably poorer than most of these OAP/Disabled people!! I cant afford to swan off on the bus as i please so why should i pay for others to??

Hi Madowl,

Like I said in previous post, seems to depend where ya live, as here in west lancs no such chance of ever getting a good break like that....

I cant comment too much on child fares, but as for OAP's, a lot of them have worked all their life paying money into the system so many of middle aged and young people abuse today, so I think they deserve something back.

And no, I not old, just respectful of others :D

Miss Kai XxX

Hi AndrewedUK,

Dont think for one moment making everyone pay full fare would bring the fares down, the bus companies would simply keep the fares the same and give their shareholders way more profits....

Miss Kai XxX

Hi AndrewedUK,

Dont think for one moment making everyone pay full fare would bring the fares down, the bus companies would simply keep the fares the same and give their shareholders way more profits....

Miss Kai XxX


Some kind of regulation.....like the government/council sets the fares and the bus companies just run the system? OR even better, move ownershoip of the bus companies back to national ownership!

Hi Madowl,

Like I said in previous post, seems to depend where ya live, as here in west lancs no such chance of ever getting a good break like that....

I cant comment too much on child fares, but as for OAP's, a lot of them have worked all their life paying money into the system so many of middle aged and young people abuse today, so I think they deserve something back.

And no, I not old, just respectful of others :D

Miss Kai XxXso they can afford the 40p???

Some kind of regulation.....like the government/council sets the fares and the bus companies just run the system? OR even better, move ownershoip of the bus companies back to national ownership!

That would be theft.

Hi Unners,

You think your badly done to? you should try living here in west lancashire, all pensioners with a pass have to pay half fare, which is around 60p per journey, disabled pass users it a standard fare of 50p, normal fare is £1.20 single, we cant get returns, so it either full price for a single or a day rider at £3.50

If you not show ya pass they make ya pay full fare, and going on what you say by looking at someone you can tell, there is a guy i know in my home town, he is virtually blind, you can tell with the glasses he wears, the lens's are almost 1 inch thick, he has a white stick, and one day while on the bus, him and his carer got on the bus, and cause his carer had forgotten his pass, and everyone who knows him knows he is a pass holder, he was made to pay full fare... <snippitty>
Miss Kai XxX


Sounds like Lancashire are breaking the law, or at least "pulling a fast one" then, because from April 2006, ALL pensioners and disabled bus pass holders were entitled to free off-peak travel by law.... and in April 2008, as I understand it, disabled and pensioner passes will be valid all across the country for off peak travel, so I could use my pass in Plymouth, or Perth, Scotland come that date.

as for the "no pass no subsidy", this is a rule that has to be upheld. If an inspector gets on, and finds that the chap you referred to has been issued a ticket without his pass, it's the driver's neck, and (In south yorkshire) a £35 fine for the errant passenger.

Tony Blair said a couple of yrs ago that all pensioners should travel free in order to keep the pensioners' vote. So the government pay Sheffield for the OAPs to travel free.
hazel

Hi again,

Thats the worst part about it, main part of lancashire is pretty good, good rail system, good tram system, good bus system, rather expensive but good, it just once you get into the boundries of west lancs...

The councils here are as corrupt as they come, Arriva are rip offs, and the town i am in dont even have a train station anymore, the councils ripped up the tracks over 20 years ago, so we have a choice.... :)

Choice 1.) Arriva busses
Choice 2.) Happy Shopper Busses, which knock off at 5pm
Choice 3.) Taxi
Choice 4.) Buy a car and learn to drive.

I not saying we worse off than anyone else, well, maybe compared to a lot of places lol, but, the bus company Arriva know they can pretty much do whatever they wish as there is no alternitives, bit like first busses are doing in some of the area's mentioned in this and other threads...

Ahh well, cant see it ever changing, :(

Miss Kai XxX

Passes her soap box to the next set of complainers giggles :-P

I'm disabled but I don't travel by bus because I can't get on them. The Community busses don't run the right times because I need to see the children off to school and be back for them so lots of us who qualify don't use it. Richer old people use own cars or taxis so I don't think there are wealthy old people using busses. I think everyone on income support should get reduced fairs. My daughter frequently forgets her bus pass and has to pay full fair. Neither of us blame the bus driver. If a child is old enough to need a bus pass they are old enough to make sure they have it. Bus drivers have enough hassle, don't blame them for doing their job.

In an ideal world, public transport should be free (for EVERYONE) at the point of use!

Imagine the savings possible:

reduced boarding times - improving overall journey time
reduced cash management - less cost to operator on administation/banking
equality for everyone - regardless of income, background, age
extra capacity created on roads for essential car/lorry journeys - without having to resort to billions spent on new roads/motorways/bypasses

If not, we could at least look at moving towards use of smartcard technology like Oyster / OV-Strippenkart to give genuine reward to use of public transport, and proper pricing of non-essential urban motoring.

Charley
http://www.gmroads.co.uk

its so wrong, its a rip off... you use the bus you should pay! Why do/should oaps/disabled pass holders.. travel for free?? they get as much money to live on for free... as people who work get and they still have to pay full??? if a kid get on the bus (as my daughter once did) without their pass, they pay full fare or walk, (as my daughter ended up doing) if an oap for got their pass do they have to walk, or do they get ( It dont matter....) vote?? rip-off=con=first!!

Do you actually know how much a state pension is? I don't think there are many adults working full time for as little. I certainly wouldn't have when I was working. Lots of us oldies still have to work to have a reasonable standard of living. I also think its unlikely that an older person will forget their pass - we know the value of money too well!

its so wrong, its a rip off... you use the bus you should pay! Why do/should oaps/disabled pass holders.. travel for free?? they get as much money to live on for free... as people who work get and they still have to pay full??? if a kid get on the bus (as my daughter once did) without their pass, they pay full fare or walk, (as my daughter ended up doing) if an oap for got their pass do they have to walk, or do they get ( It dont matter....) vote?? rip-off=con=first!!

I doubt if most would get out of bed for the same money as a pensioner gets, let alone do a job.

You ask why should OAP's get travel, it's because they have worked most of their lives and contributed to the system.

I don't use my pass much, (and I don't drive before somebody says)... once or twice a month at most, and have never forgotten to take it with me so I couldn't tell you what happens here if that happens. For me, I would just get on, pay the required fare and not even MENTION that I've been a silly biddy and forgotten it.

If passes had been around when my kids were younger, the routine would have been, as they left for school, "have you got your lunch, have you got your home-work and have you got your travel pass".

The free bus passes for Pensioners was put in place by the Government, possibly to hold on to the votes this shower of useless articles in Parliament need to get in for another term. Well - thanks for the pass but they won't be getting my vote next time. We were promised pensions which went up in line with wages, not the rate of inflation which is manipulated in any case. That didn't come. Education, education, education was the Prime Ministers cry in 1997 - ten years ago - and they still haven't got it right. Now the "hopeful" Gordon brown is spouting the same mantra.

Back on to Council Tax - what you may not know is that an OAP who draws a small pension is not able to get any reduction in Council Tax. I wouldn't mind betting that most of the moaners on here are either posting in works time, ie knicking time out or skiving, or are unemployed, in which case they aren't putting anything into the Tax Pot. While most of the Council Tax seems to go on providing salaries for Councillors, who are supposed to do the job "part time" and don't need the high pay they get. For God's sake - they are no better than the MP's in Parliament who vote as they are told at massive cost. It is about time the whole issue of pay for political pawns was put into context.

I doubt if most would get out of bed for the same money as a pensioner gets, let alone do a job.

You ask why should OAP's get travel, it's because they have worked most of their lives and contributed to the system.

I don't use my pass much, (and I don't drive before somebody says)... once or twice a month at most, and have never forgotten to take it with me so I couldn't tell you what happens here if that happens. For me, I would just get on, pay the required fare and not even MENTION that I've been a silly biddy and forgotten it.

If passes had been around when my kids were younger, the routine would have been, as they left for school, "have you got your lunch, have you got your home-work and have you got your travel pass".contributed to the system, what system?? its first that runs the bus, not the Government. First are just making those who pay, pay more to cover the cost of FREE TRAVEL for OAPs... so they dont lose out. I feel that if OAPs Travel for free why cant KIDS Under16s Etc?? Have you seen how much a family pass is now?? so much for going green to save the planet, gettin a car is cheaper!!
>>> Qoute >>>I doubt if most would get out of bed for the same money as a pensioner gets, let alone do a job <<<< they get more than people on the dole, they gey heating for when its cold, dont tell me oaps cant afford 40p fare. My mother is a pensioner and shes happy and not hard up. The Goverment might push companys towards free travel for votes etc but its fools like me who pay £54-£68 a mth for a pass and £8 every time we go out as a family!!!

contributed to the system, what system?? its first that runs the bus, not the Government. First are just making those who pay, pay more to cover the cost of FREE TRAVEL for OAPs... so they dont lose out. I feel that if OAPs Travel for free why cant KIDS Under16s Etc?? Have you seen how much a family pass is now?? so much for going green to save the planet, gettin a car is cheaper!!
>>> Qoute >>>I doubt if most would get out of bed for the same money as a pensioner gets, let alone do a job <<<< they get more than people on the dole, they gey heating for when its cold, dont tell me oaps cant afford 40p fare. My mother is a pensioner and shes happy and not hard up. The Goverment might push companys towards free travel for votes etc but its fools like me who pay £54-£68 a mth for a pass and £8 every time we go out as a family!!!

The system that took my tax and insurance whist I WAS working.
The bus company gets the payment for my travel from the GOVERNMENT which took my tax/ins.

The GOVERNMENT now says that I can have free travel.

Both my parents died after working BEFORE they had a pension or travel pass...who benefited from THEIR contributions.

For the amount of times I go on the bus, the half fare (as was here) was not a problem but I'm not about to give my FREE pass back because it gets up a few peoples noses....Will the moaners of today, that don't like it now do so when THEY get to qualify I wonder? No of course they won't.

It was ALWAYS an expensive "do" going out as a family, even when mine were young, but it can be done. (and was.)

The bus companies put prices up to cover increased wages/road tax/cleaning etc, not to cover free travel. They get our travel costs back via government.

Can't be bothered to read all the responses but i personally think all children under 16 should be free, 18 if staying on and all OAP's should have reduced fare. When i was at school (i'm only 21 so not that long ago) we never paid to get on the bus (wasn't in Sheffield though!)

In London they pensioers dont pay on the bus or the underground it should be same for all pensioners

Don't assume that all pensioners are in need of this, many are as well off in retirement as they were when they were working. They don't have kids to pay for and have most probably paid off their mortgages, only need one car and don't have to change it so often, don't have to buy clothes for work and don't have to pay to travel to work. They have never had it so good, I don't mean to insult those who are not in this catagory but beg to remind members that a lot are.

My wife is a pensioner now and I will be one soon and we are both sick to the back teeth of folk who think that we need hand outs. It's not us who need help it's young folk who can't get on the property ladder and people with young families who need a bit of help. We will be thinking of long winter holidays in the sun, something that you youngsters can only dream of so we wouldn't want you to subsidise us by way of free travel.

In my opinion Kids should travell for free, as they dont have a wage like most and shouldnt have to rely on there parents giving them money. HOWEVER. OAPS i think should pay, they have had plently of time in life to save for retirment and prepare, they should be more well off then most of us!! i say make em pay!

My opinion is that the free travel for pensioners is making them lazy they are jumping on a bus for 1 or 2 stops which they would have walked if they had to pay the 40p fare i have seen it with my own eyes.
I think that they should be mean tested as many pensioner (not all) have more money than us. i use to enjoy trips to town not anymore i cant afford it and when i do i get my hubby to take me on a Saturday in the car IT'S CHEAPER

Don't assume that all pensioners are in need of this, many are as well off in retirement as they were when they were working. They don't have kids to pay for and have most probably paid off their mortgages, only need one car and don't have to change it so often, don't have to buy clothes for work and don't have to pay to travel to work. They have never had it so good, I don't mean to insult those who are not in this catagory but beg to remind members that a lot are.

My wife is a pensioner now and I will be one soon and we are both sick to the back teeth of folk who think that we need hand outs. It's not us who need help it's young folk who can't get on the property ladder and people with young families who need a bit of help. We will be thinking of long winter holidays in the sun, something that you youngsters can only dream of so we wouldn't want you to subsidise us by way of free travel.

I'm pleased you have been in a position to ensure your retirement will be comfortable. Many of us have had our plans for retirement squashed by redundancy, ill health etc. Some, like me, will have to carry on working even though I'm officially a pensioner, partly because I've still got a mortgage. Fortunately my son and daughter have good careers, they have managed to buy property, and need no financial help from me. I have never had any state benefits, and I won't be entitled to any when I pack in for good as I have a small extra pension, although my state pension is less than 50%. I didn't work for some years, but couldn't claim unemployment benefit as I was bringing up my kids and in those days unless one was actively seeking work - no dole - my husband worked to pay the bills then. Younger people will get credits for time bringing up their families or out of work.

So for lots of us, free travel is one small thank you for all the taxes we've paid during our years of work! If any pensioners feel its morally wrong to apply for a pass cos they are well off, they can just pay full fare on public transport? Pretty easy solution I'd have thought.

:: My opinion is that the free travel for pensioners is making them lazy they are jumping on a bus for 1 or 2 stops which they would have walked if they had to pay the 40p fare i have seen it with my own eyes.
I think that they should be mean tested as many pensioner (not all) have more money than us. i use to enjoy trips to town not anymore i cant afford it and when i do i get my hubby to take me on a Saturday in the car IT'S CHEAPER

Or maybe they wouldn't have walked if it was uphill or even downhill knowing that they would have a hill to climb on their return.....thinking that the 40p is a lot for just 2 stops.

Maybe they didn't go out at all if they had a disability with walking...heart problems maybe? which don't LOOK like an obvious disability.

So the free fares gives them that bit of freedom now.

I realise that the title asks "should kids/oaps pay half fare" but things HAVE changed since it was first posted and now we get FREE travel.

I always thought children DID get a free pass for going TO/FROM school and half any other time while they were still AT school. (even the ones smoking a fag on the top deck (when they/we could).

Maybe if they DID get free travel for going to school it might keep a few cars off the roads at those times.....

And ...well said Ms Macbeth...same applies here.:thumbsup:

<snippitty>
I always thought children DID get a free pass for going TO/FROM school and half any other time while they were still AT school. (even the ones smoking a fag on the top deck (when they/we could).

Maybe if they DID get free travel for going to school it might keep a few cars off the roads at those times.....

And ...well said Ms Macbeth...same applies here.:thumbsup:

most children do get free travel passes, if their school is over 2 miles (junior) or three miles (senior) as the crow flies from their home.
(or at least, that's what It used to be... the goalposts have probably been moved yet again... lol

::

Or maybe they wouldn't have walked if it was uphill or even downhill knowing that they would have a hill to climb on their return.....thinking that the 40p is a lot for just 2 stops.

Maybe they didn't go out at all if they had a disability with walking...heart problems maybe? which don't LOOK like an obvious disability.

So the free fares gives them that bit of freedom now.

I realise that the title asks "should kids/oaps pay half fare" but things HAVE changed since it was first posted and now we get FREE travel.

I always thought children DID get a free pass for going TO/FROM school and half any other time while they were still AT school. (even the ones smoking a fag on the top deck (when they/we could).

Maybe if they DID get free travel for going to school it might keep a few cars off the roads at those times.....

And ...well said Ms Macbeth...same applies here.:thumbsup:

The distance was flat along woodseats from tesco the the bottom of cobnar road and with the traffic along chesterfield road it would have been quicker to walk and it was a lovely day some are taking advantage and the Fares for all other travellers are ridiculous

it's not that flat, (although I grant you, it's more level than the Meadowhead bit) but it's still a hike, especially if you are elderly, and/or laden with shopping.

I can't believe how this type of thread always turns into oap bashing.
I get £200 per month pension because I didn't pay the required full stamp while working part time bringing my children up.
I still work full time and the £200 is added to my income for taxation.
I get no help from anyone for rent ,council tax etc so don't understand why the response gets so hateful and biased because ALL oaps get free travel.
This was a gift by the way it wasn't asked for although it's very welcome.
The people who do want it taken off them are the skivers with couldn't care less doctors pretending to be disabled.
Bring back the government medical examinations and see how many suddenly feel better.

I can't believe how this type of thread always turns into oap bashing.
I get £200 per month pension because I didn't pay the required full stamp while working part time bringing my children up.
I still work full time and the £200 is added to my income for taxation.
I get no help from anyone for rent ,council tax etc so don't understand why the response gets so hateful and biased because ALL oaps get free travel.
This was a gift by the way it wasn't asked for although it's very welcome.
The people who do want it taken off them are the skivers with couldn't care less doctors pretending to be disabled.
Bring back the government medical examinations and see how many suddenly feel better.

Very similar situation to me SheShe, I couldn't agree more. The culture when we were young was for mums to stay home for a few years, so we lost out on NI contributions, and many of us only went back part time and paid married women's stamps - it was the norm! We didn't all have husbands in well paid jobs either, and pension awareness wasn't like it is now. We expected to get something that was related to average incomes, cos thats how things were. We didn't even get child benefit for the first child when my oldest was born in 1969. Successive governments have done little for us, we always seem to be in the wrong age group!

No, I don't think OAP should travel free, most are just along for the ride anyhow, but there's nothing wrong with that as long as they pay like everyone else.

most children do get free travel passes, if their school is over 2 miles (junior) or three miles (senior) as the crow flies from their home.
(or at least, that's what It used to be... the goalposts have probably been moved yet again... lol


It depends. If you apply for your local community school but they can't give you a place and offer you one 3 miles away then you get a pass. If you apply for the place miles away then you don't, nor do you if they offer you a place nearer. I wonder if there are many children with a pass.

deregulation, hand the busses back to be run for non profit, 20p upto 18 in education, 50p adults, Free OAP's, you would get more people on busses, less cars on road, busses would beable to try to run on time as less traffic ok, ok i'll wake up now

deregulation, hand the busses back to be run for non profit, 20p upto 18 in education, 50p adults, Free OAP's, you would get more people on busses, less cars on road, busses would beable to try to run on time as less traffic ok, ok i'll wake up now

that would be great lol

deregulation, hand the busses back to be run for non profit, 20p upto 18 in education, 50p adults, Free OAP's, you would get more people on busses, less cars on road, busses would beable to try to run on time as less traffic ok, ok i'll wake up now

The only way we could finance this would be to use congestion charging like thay have in London.

Interesting to compare our situation to other european countries, where you can pay the equivalent of £3 to travel for five days or ten trips or something like that. The difference is they pay much higher taxes for this privalage.

Should people with mobility passes or Oap's and Children pay half fare when travelling on public transport?
Well my personal view is that they should just like they do in many other cities across the UK.

The current system is often abused as hardly any kids show their passes in order to claim their reduced fare, and the same goes for a lot of oap's, so if they were charged a full half fare then the Council tax payer may get a farer deal through the funding he/she provides to the SYPTE.

If anybody could not prove their age and the Driver was unsure of their age because they look borderline they could be issued with a Half Fare rather then a standard 40p then the tax payer would not have to subsidise the scroungers who try to avoid paying full fare so much.

Its one of the things that used to annoy me when i was a driver the amount of times people would try to get on for 40p and me knowing that it was coming out of my council tax.

The next time you are on a bus or Tram just look how many times people ask for 40p without showing a pass and you will see what i mean. ITS YOUR COUNCIL TAX THEIR WASTING!

You should consider yourself lucky that kids pay anything at all on the buses in your area.

London buses have given free fares to all children up to the age of 16 (18 if they are still in full-time education). If they look 14 or over they are supposed to apply for a child's Oyster Card, but many don't, and it's amazing the number of obvious 16-17 year olds get on the bus and say they're only 13. Unfortunately, the bus drivers rarely challenge this, because things could turn nasty.

Another downside to this is the bus hoppers, who crowd on to a bus cause loads of disruption and get off at the next stop.

Just before Christmas, I was on a bus and some boys got on trying to get away from some other boys, but the bus got caught in a traffic jam, and the chasing boys just waited at the next bus stop. The boys who were on the bus were shouting from the back of the bus at the driver not to stop, even though there were people who wanted to get off. Eventually, someone told them shut up. The chasing group got on, and nothing happened ~ in fact it was really peaceful.

Between 7.30 and 8.30 a.m. weekdays, it is impossible to get on a bus near where I live, because the lazy so and sos won't walk the short distance to school ~ well they don't have to anymore, because they don't have to pay. Meanwhile us fare-payers can't get on a bus.

I think I'll risk a couple of quid on my council tax so a forgetful old dear doesn't have to use her meager pension to pay the full or even half of the extortionately high fares

Erm... £1.20 for a 5 minute journey... why? do buses have tea and biscuits included in the fare?

Couldn't agreee more, rather my bit of brass from tax go to fee travel
for us wrinkles than proping up all these public secter pensions

The government has made changes to the charges for old people, not being old enough I dont know much about it but by 2008 there should be a fairly huge network available for the crinklies, do doubt in Sheffield First bus will use this as a reason why the rest of us should be paying even more!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4867008.stm

The government has made changes to the charges for old people, not being old enough I dont know much about it but by 2008 there should be a fairly huge network available for the crinklies, do doubt in Sheffield First bus will use this as a reason why the rest of us should be paying even more!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4867008.stm

But the GOVERNMENT PAY to cover the shortfall already.:rant:
Oh I give up......

But the GOVERNMENT PAY to cover the shortfall already.:rant:
Oh I give up......

I'm not surprised your giving up dear, no-one's listening..............:help:

Don't forget you load of Crinklie Bashers that in a few years you too will be a Crinklie. Don't laugh because it will creep up on you exactly the same as it crept up on us. (No stupid remarks about creeping in the crypt, crapping and creeping out again PLEASE).:hihi: :hihi: Once you do happen to reach that exalted position then you too will be able to ride on the bus, tram and train for now't as well. Despite what you say now you will be happy to eek out your pension, or maybe pensions. just the same as we Senior Citizens do now. By that time you may also get free country wide travel, free telly licences at 65, (ooh sorry it will be 68 or 70 then for retirement won't it?) instead of 75 like it is now. Of course it may just happen that the young folk of the day, who get into politics, will pass a law making euthanasia, which means they will kill you off, at 70 compulsory. Once you have passed your "sell by date" you are treated as if you have no right to expect anything other than being harangued and abused because you are no longer classed as young. OLD AGE WILL COME NEVER FEAR so just remember how you treated the Crinklies when you were young. :P :P :P

Don't forget you load of Crinklie Bashers that in a few years you too will be a Crinklie. Don't laugh because it will creep up on you exactly the same as it crept up on us. (No stupid remarks about creeping in the crypt, crapping and creeping out again PLEASE).:hihi: :hihi: Once you do happen to reach that exalted position then you too will be able to ride on the bus, tram and train for now't as well. Despite what you say now you will be happy to eek out your pension, or maybe pensions. just the same as we Senior Citizens do now. By that time you may also get free country wide travel, free telly licences at 65, (ooh sorry it will be 68 or 70 then for retirement won't it?) instead of 75 like it is now. Of course it may just happen that the young folk of the day, who get into politics, will pass a law making euthanasia, which means they will kill you off, at 70 compulsory. Once you have passed your "sell by date" you are treated as if you have no right to expect anything other than being harangued and abused because you are no longer classed as young. OLD AGE WILL COME NEVER FEAR so just remember how you treated the Crinklies when you were young. :P :P :P

I think that says it all! :hihi: :hihi:

Don't forget you load of Crinklie Bashers that in a few years you too will be a Crinklie. Don't laugh because it will creep up on you exactly the same as it crept up on us. (No stupid remarks about creeping in the crypt, crapping and creeping out again PLEASE).:hihi: :hihi: Once you do happen to reach that exalted position then you too will be able to ride on the bus, tram and train for now't as well. Despite what you say now you will be happy to eek out your pension, or maybe pensions. just the same as we Senior Citizens do now. By that time you may also get free country wide travel, free telly licences at 65, (ooh sorry it will be 68 or 70 then for retirement won't it?) instead of 75 like it is now. Of course it may just happen that the young folk of the day, who get into politics, will pass a law making euthanasia, which means they will kill you off, at 70 compulsory. Once you have passed your "sell by date" you are treated as if you have no right to expect anything other than being harangued and abused because you are no longer classed as young. OLD AGE WILL COME NEVER FEAR so just remember how you treated the Crinklies when you were young. :P :P :P

Restored my faith in humanity that....thank you and well said.:thumbsup:

Welcome to the 21st Century. I think you will find at the same time bus fares were 2p and 5p a loaf of bread cost 1p. Therefore bus fares as they stand now are appropriate for a growing city and towns in South Yorkshire who have had huge development over the past few years.

on the basis a loaf costs 28p, the fairs should be 56 and 140p