Don't forget it's on C4 tonight. I haven't seen this yet but like most people I don't need any proof of what a wazzock G.W. Bush is.

Looking forward to watching it!

Lets all see how stupid the disputed king of the world really is.

I wouldn't get your hopes up. I like Michael Moore (read a couple of his books) but the film is massively over-hyped and pretty patronising to the viewer. Just my 2 cents though.

Don't think the film did Moore any favours ,

im not the biggest bush fan to say the least and the film made me mad..frustrated at how such a man can have so much power!

Would be interested to know the views of those of you who are unbiased and what you thought after watching it...??

Bowling for Columbine was good - this smacks of the sort of media manipulation Mr Moore tends to rant against. Or perhaps that is the point, fight fire with fire - I agree with Geoff - I find this film strangley insulting and left feeling rather sorry for G W which was hardly his intention - If you are going to put silly music over film and words in peoples mouths you get everything you ask for

nearly falling asleep so far..... i have to agree with Geoff up to now.

I thought it was a load of tripe.

Sorry....Nothing better to say about it! :( .

Glad to report that I found 9/11 just as interesting as bowling for columbine. Very refreshing to watch an american tackle the issues of the bush administration in such a satirical manner :thumbsup:

Originally posted by vidster
I thought it was a load of tripe.

Sorry....Nothing better to say about it! :( .

I'm inclined to agree, that and Bowling for Columbine are both tripe. :nod:

I watched it all the way through (how sad is that) and came to the conclusion that it was over hyped to sell it. There was plenty of food for thought though, like when Moore was trying to get the senators to sign up, and a guy in the background had a silly grin on his face as if to say "what a ****" I hope he enjoys his five minutes of fame.

I was really disappointed with the film... it was very amateurish! What could have been an interesting 1 1/2 hr film was padded out with far too many obvious "hey! look how stupid politicians are" film clips and soundbites.

Moore's message might have come across better if he'd been a bit less patronising, and everything he said had been covered before in his books.

He's starting to believe his own hype - very sad.

I thought it was passabe - certainly better than Bowling For Columbine which was so blatently manipulative it made me cringe - but not a patch on The Power Of Nightmares or Jeremy Hardy Vs The Israeli Army - it seems we brits are just better at low key informative stuff ;)

Originally posted by evildrneil
I thought it was passabe - certainly better than Bowling For Columbine which was so blatently manipulative it made me cringe - but not a patch on The Power Of Nightmares or Jeremy Hardy Vs The Israeli Army - it seems we brits are just better at low key informative stuff ;)

Got to agree Neil, The power of Nightmares is an exceptional series. Fahrenheit was good, an interesting look into how America is run by nincompoops.
Cannot, however, believe that this man was re-elected as president. :gag:

Well I enjoyed it. I have a feeling that it was made in this way for the benefit of the American public. Make it simple, patronising, comical, use effective music etc and get your message across to your average Joe Bloggs. Many of the American people won't have read his books, so yes there was a lot of repeating in the film, but then Moore is trying to convince the American public of what is going on and I think the film does this very well. People are more likely to watch this film then read his books. He needed to make it this way to keep their attention.
You can criticise it all you like, but then we are British and a lot of us are already are well informed and well read on this forum about the real agendas behind the war, Bush etc. The American public aren't and this film was a powerful way of telling them whats what. The use of the lady who lost her son was very clever. Showing how she's a proud religious American and now doesn't know what to believe.
However, in saying all that, Bush still got re-elected so I guess the film didn't have as big an impact as was feared by the American government!

if you're intellgient enough to take the views and 'facts' given for what they really are - Michael Moores views and altered facts, then the film is still quite good i thought, and the bits where it was just footage from Iraq was pretty thought provoking.

I dont think much of Micheal Moore after watching this partially made up documentary, much of the information seemed flawed and they way the film was put together was pretty lousy.

I still disagree with the war in Iraq and still think that Bush isnt the fullest of shillings.

So Americas money orientated, we new this already and still do thats what keeps a democracy on its feet.

Originally posted by jonsastar
I dont think much of Micheal Moore after watching this partially made up documentary, much of the information seemed flawed and they way the film was put together was pretty lousy.

I still disagree with the war in Iraq and still think that Bush isnt the fullest of shillings.

So Americas money orientated, we new this already and still do thats what keeps a democracy on its feet.

Which parts do you think were made up out of interest?

I'd say alot of it is true, he just presents it in a comical manner and obviously his presenting style is from a biased angle. The Bush family have their fingers in a lot of pies, we all know that. But to fair to Moore, some of the people e.g. the FBI guy, are credible people. And the footage, like the political quotes are real. the footage of Bush and the Saudi's etc.

I would have thought that if he had made it up, he would have been sued by now and the film banned.

What would be interesting is if Moore would do a similar job at the British side of the war... then again, maybe not. There's only so much cringing you can do!

Originally posted by Foxxx

I would have thought that if he had made it up, he would have been sued by now and the film banned.

Michael Moore is a big bully.

http://www.10news.com/news/3739179/detail.html

http://slate.msn.com/id/2102725/

The articles I linked to above are just the tip of the iceberg. Michael Moore can afford enough lawyers to make anyone who dares to disagree with him wish they were dead.

And we don't ban films in this country. He even showed Fahrenheit 911 on TV the night before the election.

And his candidate still lost.

The latest slap in Moore's face is his film being ignored by the Oscars. Not getting even one nomination. For anything. In any category. Looks like his Hollywood friends have a short memory. Or they weren't really his friends to begin with.

His old TV show was wonderful.

http://www.michaelmoore.com/books-films/theawfultruth/

But like most Hollywood types. He needs to stay out of politics.

:) Sierra

I reckon its a real shame that no British film makers have taken the reins and made a better expose of bush and blair, and that we have to rely on moore to do it for us! (budding film makers on the forum??) I reckon chris morris or mark thomas would have done a far better job..

Originally posted by Sierra
Michael Moore is a big bully.

http://www.10news.com/news/3739179/detail.html

http://slate.msn.com/id/2102725/

The articles I linked to above are just the tip of the iceberg. Michael Moore can afford enough lawyers to make anyone who dares to disagree with him wish they were dead.

And we don't ban films in this country. He even showed Fahrenheit 911 on TV the night before the election.

And his candidate still lost.

The latest slap in Moore's face is his film being ignored by the Oscars. Not getting even one nomination. For anything. In any category. Looks like his Hollywood friends have a short memory. Or they weren't really his friends to begin with.

His old TV show was wonderful.

http://www.michaelmoore.com/books-films/theawfultruth/

But like most Hollywood types. He needs to stay out of politics.

:) Sierra

His best TV output was definitely TV Nation.

His books Downsize this and Roger and Me were both excellent.

The problem he has now is that he is about the only polemecist in the US that isn't touting the regime's agenda. So he has a lot of expectations resting on him.

Think of him as a liberal P.J O'Rourke (i.e clown) without the East Coast cred, and you can see why he polarises opionion so much.

The film itself was to blandly manipulative to make much impact, and smacked of preaching to the converted too much to be a documentary. It's a polemic, and not a bad one at that. Not a great one, but not a bad one.

It's his fact checking that leave most to be desired and his pronouncements on subjects which he clearly knows nothing about.

The bits of pre-broadcast footage were the most interesting - especially with Wolfowitz sucking his comb before dragging it through his hair, soaked in saliva - yum!

I would have viewed the whole film start to finish, if C4 hadn't stuck so many frequent long advert breaks in. I gave up in the end, popping back every now and again.

Originally posted by Phanerothyme


The problem he has now is that he is about the only polemecist in the US that isn't touting the regime's agenda. So he has a lot of expectations resting on him.

The bits of pre-broadcast footage were the most interesting - especially with Wolfowitz sucking his comb before dragging it through his hair, soaked in saliva - yum!


Now way is he the only polemcist in the US, there are multiple Radio Stations, websites, and film makers dedicated to exposing crimes of their Country.

Unlike Mr Moore, they are not using `corporate` money, therefore are a little harder to find.

The comb sucking incident is hilarious :clap: