An inside ski centre, real snow, alpine village and cable links to the tram route? Ready in 2008.

Is this the high profile devlopment that Sheffield needs to boost it's image?

(been trying to find a link to it on web but ca't find anything - it was on Look North today)

No, its not high profile enough.

I was at the press launch and it seems pretty high profile to me, infact it will be pretty impressive if it comes off. If we are to believe what we are told, it will be the most impressive and innovative indoor ski slope in europe let alone the uk. I think its exactly what sheffield needs, its own alpine resort.

I agree Fonz, from what I saw it looked amazing. Hopefully it really will give Sheffield the icing on the "sports city" image it seems to be trying to promote, and really put Sheffield on the map.

Do you have any more information Fonz? Any links, or know who is behind it?

not that impresssive really- not gonna convince people to invest here cos you can ski and it will only attract a certain type of people!!!

Don't get me wrong- its good news- but i wish we could have something that appeals to a wider range of people!!

I know what you mean, but hopefully it will give Sheffield something unique, something to make Sheffield different to Leeds and Manchester. If it brings people and money to Sheffield, surely that can only be a good thing?

And there are plenty of other things, like climbing and ice skating to do if you can't ski

Is it going to be a snowdome style thing or is it going to be open air? Either way I can't wait, just hope they actually do it! How many times has the Ski Village promised something that's never happened?

And let's just hope they NEVER get round to put up a Bubblelift, what a ridiculous idea!

Try
www.sheffieldtoday.net
for more info.

The cable thing is a definate as it means it can link in with the tram and the issues which would arise from poor transport links can supposedly be overcome. Also the word on the street is that they already have some major retailers interested.

It wont just be sking, it will offer a wide range of activities indoor and outdoor, including a huge wire slide, great fun.

Also they claim that it will be real snow which will fall from indoor clouds at night, this will then melt and reform as clouds and snow again (i dont understand it either).

Originally posted by JCDeceux
No, its not high profile enough.

SKI CITY

A GIANT ski resort - with all-year snow and a mile-long Swiss-style cable car route - will be coming to Sheffield if an £80 million plan unveiled today gets the go-ahead.

The "Snow Mountain" alpine-style leisure development next to the Ski Village at Parkwood Springs would "put Sheffield on the map" and create hundreds of new jobs, its backers claim.
Among the eye-catching highlights would be a cable car system, complete with gondolas, linking Shalesmoor with the alpine village and up to Shirecliffe.
The hillside at Parkwood Springs would be transformed by a huge indoor ski resort designed to look like an ice sheet clinging to the sides of the Don Valley.
Future plans for the site include a four star hotel and shops.
Developers say their scheme - dubbed Snow Mountain - would be Europe's largest indoor snow hall and cable car system.
It would cover 30 acres, acting as the catalyst for the regeneration of the Upper Don Valley, and would also give Sheffield a unique tourist attraction and boost the city's reputation for sporting innovation.
Developers say funding for the scheme would come from private finance and grants, possibly from Yorkshire Forward, the Government-backed regional development agency.
Applications for grant aid will be made following today's submission for outline planning permission.
The main attraction of the development, spearheaded by Ski Village owner John Fleetham and property developers Craig Marks and Brian Craig, would be a ski slope twice as long as any other artificial snow piste in the UK.
It would be 300 metres long, with a 70-metre drop, and would have a constantly snow-covered indoor winter sports area. The feature, said to be unique in Europe, would have colour-coded runs, with chairlifts and button bars. Visitors would ski on snow, whatever the weather.
Developers say the cable car could carry up to 2,500 people per hour.
Craig Marks, one of the three partners behind the project said: "This scheme will establish the site as a major attraction of national significance."
Business partner John Fleetham added: "This is a dream becoming reality. The development is a natural step forward."

Thanks Fonz and Unregistered!! :thumbsup: Should really have put more info on when I started the topic, but was excited and posted it too quickly, lol!

I hope the plans stay as ambitious as they sound and don't get watered down. Just wish it was going to be finished a bit sooner!

Originally posted by scottf
not that impresssive really- not gonna convince people to invest here cos you can ski and it will only attract a certain type of people!!!

Don't get me wrong- its good news- but i wish we could have something that appeals to a wider range of people!!

Ooooo stop the world I want to get off, whatever next indoor shopping centres.

I appriciate that you don't ski and has probabally never crossed your mind.
But in the last ten years sking (and snowsports in general ) in Britain has become one of the top ten holiday destinations.

The sport is growing so quick over here I would go as far to say that it is probabaly the best thing Sheffield as done since forging steel.

It's no longer exclusive to the upper classes and very afordable.

It's great for your health and get's you through those horrible winter months.

This is FANTASTIC news, people will be travelling from all round the country to learn, try out new gear on real snow and get in a few practice turns before their holidays.
Just like people already do to Castleford, Milton Keynes and Tamworth.

Plus their is all the Shops, bars, restraunts and other activities that come with it.
You should go and take a look at Castleford, it's only under an hour away.

I'm sure it's going to be great, it's being done by the same guy that built the Extremes in Castleford and Milton Keynes.

Go have a try, you may find that you should have done it years ago and just think we are going to have one on our doorstep.



:thumbsup:

After taking up snowbaording two years ago, and visiting Whistler and Aspen, the ski village as it stands has provided the only real opportunity to practice.

The thought of the new proposal in Sheffield is outrageously appealing, and will be of massive benefit to the city!

This is a great activity and i think that people who havnt tried it on the dry slope will and should try it if the development takes place!

Originally posted by Modesty
Just like people already do to Castleford, Milton Keynes and Tamworth.

Plus their is all the Shops, bars, restraunts and other activities that come with it.
You should go and take a look at Castleford, it's only under an hour away.

I'm sure it's going to be great, it's being done by the same guy that built the Extremes in Castleford and Milton Keynes.




While I think it certainly can't do any harm to add to Sheffield's leisure activity portfolio, I would question whether it's really put Castleford or Tamworth on the map, for instance. And if Castleford is less than an hour away, why would people from Leeds or other places further North come to Sheffield to ski when Castleford will be closer for them?

So in my view, probably not a bad thing, but hardly the unique attraction Sheffield needs to tempt people away from other places.

If it can attract some competition sport, that will really put Sheffield on the map!

I'm all for 'Sport' being Sheffield's new idintity. :thumbsup:
Especially the 'alternative' sports like tobogganing and rock climbing.

Looks like Sheffield has finally gone crazy who's going to pay for it?. And will it be named Hallam Ski village after a few years. Wouldn't the money be better spent trying to stop Sheffield looking like a war zone, with all the buildings been pulled down and new crap being built.:rant:

Originally posted by Bikertec
Looks like Sheffield has finally gone crazy who's going to pay for it?. And will it be named Hallam Ski village after a few years. Wouldn't the money be better spent trying to stop Sheffield looking like a war zone, with all the buildings been pulled down and new crap being built.:rant:
But the guys pumping money into this don't own the rest of Sheffield :confused: :(

Interesting to see it will be at Parkwood Springs, which is a mountain of toxic waste and who knows what else.

Originally posted by matsalleh
Interesting to see it will be at Parkwood Springs, which is a mountain of toxic waste and who knows what else.
Of course! It should have houses built on it then!

If the Snow Village - and it's a big if - ever comes into being, it may become a regional tourist attraction among certain sections of the community.

But they'll visit the city once, realise the roads are terrible and never come back again!

Originally posted by dishwasher
If the Snow Village - and it's a big if - ever comes into being, it may become a regional tourist attraction among certain sections of the community.

But they'll visit the city once, realise the roads are terrible and never come back again!
A gang of us used to drive up here from Peterborough (Cambridgeshire) on a regular basis, just to use the dry slope.

the key to it all is marketing.
Sheffield desperately needs som charisma and lacks the vision to sell it self to the world.
there are so many good things in Sheffield, but why do we have to keep it a secret.
I am envious that Manchester has 2 really good football teams.
I know that Sheffield United are always almost there, but I feel that it is really not goodf enough for such a large and potentially famous City.
I think there wil always be positive things that come from a new attraction.
The money can also be spent on selling ourselves

It can't be anything but good news.
I'm not interested in skiing but the whole development is an imaginative use of an area of dereliction but one which can be seen across Sheffield.
With global warming already having an effect on ski resorts this has to be a long term runner.
Let's also plant moe forest trees on the surrounding area: Scots Pine and Birches

Originally posted by matsalleh
Interesting to see it will be at Parkwood Springs, which is a mountain of toxic waste and who knows what else.

Yes it will be interesting to see whether it forces the early closure of the landfill site or not.

Originally posted by Strix
But the guys pumping money into this don't own the rest of Sheffield :confused: :(

This from The Star article:

Developers say funding for the scheme would come from private finance and grants, possibly from Yorkshire Forward, the Government-backed regional development agency.
Applications for grant aid will be made following today's submission for outline planning permission.


mmmm?

Bring it on, this is fantastic news, ski lovers or not! You've got a great airport just about to about open not a million miles away and now this announcement, looks pretty good for Sheffield folk from where I'm sitting, stop bloody moaning and look at the big picture here! Snow is extremely £££££ business nowadays and if this venture actually opens then I can't see how it can fail to be a success, ski folk flock to venues like this, check out Xscape near Leeds, no shortage of people throwing their cash about there whether on the slopes, restaurants or expensive clothing shops and they've travelled from all corners of the county to get there. This one looks like it's taking tips from there, adding a bit more and more so even better, this place could be the envy of the whole of Europe. Okay, I'm getting a bit carried away now so I'll stop!

My only concern is that some jobsworthy council bod for some reason won't think it'll be good for the City, Ikea springs to mind or find some bizarre link which proves it will be bad for the city centre or current level of big issue sellers, you know where I'm going..............

Basically, if a venure like this happens then hopefully it will put an end to the mandatory 'Sheffield vs Leeds/Manchester/insert random city' threads that seem to appear here every other week!

Have a good weekend!

Originally posted by webkey


Basically, if a venure like this happens then hopefully it will put an end to the mandatory 'Sheffield vs Leeds/Manchester/insert random city' threads that seem to appear here every other week!



Well said, this project is unique, ambitious and very very exciting. This is the opportunity sheffield has been waiting for to emerge as one of the leading cities. There will be no need for boring comparisons over shopping etc etc if sheffield finds a new identity. Fingers crossed.

Originally posted by cgksheff
This from The Star article:

Developers say funding for the scheme would come from private finance and grants, possibly from Yorkshire Forward, the Government-backed regional development agency.
Applications for grant aid will be made following today's submission for outline planning permission.


mmmm?

mmmm? Takes one to gain the other.

There was a project like this planned near Wigan a few years ago to revitalise a small town called Leigh, and John Prescott put a stop to it.

However, as Sheffield already has a ski presence in the area it's going to be built, that should help.

It's all abit pie in the sky - how many time in the last year have cable-cars been the lead story in the Star?
The timing of it to me seems like the publicity mad owner (John Fleetham) is going to use this to pressure the Council into accepting his proposals to demolish half of Ecclesall Road South. If they turn that down, then he will pull out of this massive investment and the Council will be to blame for Sheffield remaining a third class city. I don't beleive for one minute that we'll be having cable cars into town.

Originally posted by dishwasher
If the Snow Village - and it's a big if - ever comes into being, it may become a regional tourist attraction among certain sections of the community.

But they'll visit the city once, realise the roads are terrible and never come back again!

Well if any marketing of this was done by half the posters here, you're right - no one would ever come back.

Big ambitious plans are announced and half of you moan.

Good grief :rant:

when I emigrated in 1968, nothing existed in the city but two football teams, great though they were then. Today the Premier league is dominated by a few dynastic teams who are not likely to be soon joined by Sheffield. In the meantime the city has developed very good teams in basketball, ice hockey and others. If New England is any guide, skiiing is a massive money spinner. The weekend traffic from NYC to Vermont is bumper to bumper way into the spring. Maybe your plan for a year round ski park might catch on here.

Originally posted by rinty

Big ambitious plans are announced and half of you moan.

Good grief :rant:


Living in Ecclesfield you would probably not be affected by it, but big ambitious planners often can't see the wood for the trees. Dishwasher is right about the roads, - in that area they're barely adequate for existing traffic so the impact of this scheme needs looking at very carefully.

There's no doubt it would raise Sheffield's profile, but it will also give the traffic planners a major headache.

Originally posted by richynomates
It's all abit pie in the sky - how many time in the last year have cable-cars been the lead story in the Star?
The timing of it to me seems like the publicity mad owner (John Fleetham) is going to use this to pressure the Council into accepting his proposals to demolish half of Ecclesall Road South. If they turn that down, then he will pull out of this massive investment and the Council will be to blame for Sheffield remaining a third class city. I don't beleive for one minute that we'll be having cable cars into town.

It might be a bit pie in the sky - but it's exactly what Sheffield needs - AMBITION! Big problems need big ideas and all that...

I work in the building industry, and find that grand plans may get watered down slightly, but then so do more realistic ones - so why not go for it and be over rather than underambitious?

And surely if this happens it will provide a real incentive to sort the roads out properly. At the moment, they are just about coping, (some of the time anyway!) but this will give a really good reason to improve transport in general in the area.

Is this new indoor dome going to be an addition to the existing outdoor slope or be built over the existing outdoor slope?

I for one am quite looking forward to this, I dont ski or snowboard (yet) but its always something ive been wanting to do!

The cable car system will be great too, I hope they'll allow anyone to use it because it'd produce some excellent photographs I think.

Originally posted by beckyaa

I work in the building industry, and find that grand plans may get watered down slightly, but then so do more realistic ones - so why not go for it and be over rather than underambitious?

you mistake my meaning beckyaa. i was simply implying that it's likely that it won't happen as it is probably just a tool to getting other jobs done. the Council will turn down his proposals to knock down half of Ecclesall Road South, and then he'll complain he aint investing in a city where the council don't let anything happen. Everyone will then hate the Council (even more!).
Over a year ago, the star headlines were about an £80m Disney style resort. And over a year on - still £80m, still Disney style, and not one bit of progress; not even so much as a planning application. I almost beleive this January's story to be exactly the same as last year's. Maybe it's groundhog year?

Sheffield council should approve it and not miss out on another development to give the city a boost but then again they could always balls it up like they did with Ikea.

Originally posted by richynomates
you mistake my meaning beckyaa. i was simply implying that it's likely that it won't happen as it is probably just a tool to getting other jobs done. the Council will turn down his proposals to knock down half of Ecclesall Road South, and then he'll complain he aint investing in a city where the council don't let anything happen. Everyone will then hate the Council (even more!).
Over a year ago, the star headlines were about an £80m Disney style resort. And over a year on - still £80m, still Disney style, and not one bit of progress; not even so much as a planning application. I almost beleive this January's story to be exactly the same as last year's. Maybe it's groundhog year?

Sorry Rich, I'm with you now. Shame this is the way things seem to work. When I first heard about this it sounded so positive, but I guess things aren't always what they seem.
Still keeping my fingers crossed though!

Originally posted by Greybeard
....................traffic planners.................

Do we have some in Sheffield then?

I have read the discussion re our plans for Snow Mountain with great interest. I would like to thank all those who have expressed support. I can understand why others feel that it is a long stretch of the imagaination and look forward to surprising them all.

My firm belief is that Snow Mountain will get built, along with the cable car, which I see as an intergral and essential part of the scheme. It is what sheffield needs, and will serve as a catalyst for a much broader regeneration effort in the Upper Don Valley. My Ecclesall Road South project is an entirely separate enterprise. That may get built if I win my Planning Appeal. The outome of the two projects are not reliant upon one another.

It takes a long time to put a planning application together, for a project the size of Snow Mountain. Retail impact assessments, Enviro Impact assessments, Traffic studies etc have to be submitted with the application - hence the long lead in. Anyway the Planning Apllication is in.

Just watch the press, and you will see the first sod turned.

Originally posted by KLL003
I have read the discussion re our plans for Snow Mountain with great interest. I would like to thank all those who have expressed support. I can understand why others feel that it is a long stretch of the imagaination and look forward to surprising them all.

My firm belief is that Snow Mountain will get built, along with the cable car, which I see as an intergral and essential part of the scheme. It is what sheffield needs, and will serve as a catalyst for a much broader regeneration effort in the Upper Don Valley. My Ecclesall Road South project is an entirely separate enterprise. That may get built if I win my Planning Appeal. The outome of the two projects are not reliant upon one another.

It takes a long time to put a planning application together, for a project the size of Snow Mountain. Retail impact assessments, Enviro Impact assessments, Traffic studies etc have to be submitted with the application - hence the long lead in. Anyway the Planning Apllication is in.

Just watch the press, and you will see the first sod turned.

KLL003, if you read this could you PM me an avenue via which to contact you. Have been trying via the Village also. Would like to have a chat if possible.

Thanks.

Hudu

Originally posted by Bikertec
Looks like Sheffield has finally gone crazy who's going to pay for it?. And will it be named Hallam Ski village after a few years. Wouldn't the money be better spent trying to stop Sheffield looking like a war zone, with all the buildings been pulled down and new crap being built.:rant:

Im with you on this one Bikertec what the hell does
sheffield need a Ski village fore there's enough sport
stuff in sheffield like the Don valley stadiium that to
the best of my knowledge has never been used to
host a major sporting event apart from that channel
4 programme whith the celebs on it sheffield is too
over developed and is losing its character. :rant:

Originally posted by Sniper
Im with you on this one Bikertec what the hell does
sheffield need a Ski village fore there's enough sport
stuff in sheffield like the Don valley stadiium that to
the best of my knowledge has never been used to
host a major sporting event apart from that channel
4 programme whith the celebs on it sheffield is too
over developed and is losing its character. :rant:

It has no interest to me so therefore it's rubbish!!!

It's exactly this kind of short sightness that holds Sheffield back.

Just a good job that the people who submit these un thought out negative responses are not actually making the decisions.

Don't take this as a personal attack I just happen to think it's a very good idea and would be rewarding for Sheffield, for reasons I have expressed early in the thread.

Originally posted by Modesty
It has no interest to me so therefore it's rubbish!!!

It's exactly this kind of short sightness that holds Sheffield back.

Just a good job that the people who submit these un thought out negative responses are not actually making the decisions.

Don't take this as a personal attack I just happen to think it's a very good idea and would be rewarding for Sheffield, for reasons I have expressed early in the thread.

Hi modesty thanks for the post I dont wont to hold sheffield
back its just that there is already plenty of sport facilities in
sheffield there is more to the city than sport. :thumbsup:

Hi, I'm a second year Journalism student at Sheffield Uni and I'm planning to film at the ski village about the proposed plans for the ski mountain. We're looking for people who are really passionately for and against it. Anyone interested in talking?
Em x
:D

Originally posted by webkey
check out Xscape near Leeds, no shortage of people throwing their cash about there whether on the slopes, restaurants or expensive clothing shops and they've travelled from all corners of the county to get there. This one looks like it's taking tips from there, adding a bit more and more so even better, this place could be the envy of the whole of Europe. Okay, I'm getting a bit carried away now so I'll stop!

We went to Xscape and Freeport at Castleford Leeds last week as my boys were particular keen to have a go in the Skatepark....very impressed with it.....hope the redevelopment at the Sheffield Ski Village will be taking a note of what they've done there!!!

Well worth a day out!!!

Would definately recommend it if you haven't been yet....only a 40 minute drive away!!

:thumbsup:

Originally posted by shieshuk
.....hope the redevelopment at the Sheffield Ski Village will be taking a note of what they've done there!!!

I think I'm right in saying it's the same people that developed Xscape in castleford and Milton keynes.

If they get permission to build what they want to do it'll blow Castleford away with nothing like it in Europe.

Does anyone know the present situation with the redevelopement?

It's not the same people. The Ski Village is owned by the same people as ever and it is they that are proposing Snow Mountain.

Any deveolpment like this will boost the cities image nationwide not just in South Yokshire.

That's right it's not the same people but if they can improve on what Xscape already have at Castleford (and other sites) it has to be a winning combination!!!

Which will be great for Sheffield especially when we already have Don Valley, Sheffield Ice etc

:clap:

Originally posted by Tony
It's not the same people. The Ski Village is owned by the same people as ever and it is they that are proposing Snow Mountain.

It is the same people - Fleetham still owns it but he's working with Brian Craig and Craig Marks who were responsible for developing the Xscape sites at Milton Keynes and Castleford. They're using the same architects too.

Originally posted by fnkysknky
It is the same people - Fleetham still owns it but he's working with Brian Craig and Craig Marks who were responsible for developing the Xscape sites at Milton Keynes and Castleford. They're using the same architects too.

I thought that's what I had heard.

Do you know what the current situation is?

I apologise then. I wasn't aware that John had anyone else involved.

Originally posted by shieshuk
That's right it's not the same people but if they can improve on what Xscape already have at Castleford (and other sites) it has to be a winning combination!!!

Which will be great for Sheffield especially when we already have Don Valley, Sheffield Ice etc

:clap:

Sorry...I just assumed it wasn't the same people because it is not called 'Xscape' as the other ventures are....

Sorry :blush:

Not seen any local papers for a while as i've been out of country.

But, does anyone know if 'Snow Mountain' has been approved by council as yet?

I believe the decision was to be made sometime back in April as to whether or not it will go ahead.

??

Threads merged.

Originally posted by Lickszz
Threads merged.

Why?

Originally posted by Unisol
Why?

because the topic is the same.

Sorry if this is becoming boring but i'm really surprised no-one has heard the verdict on whether the project will go ahead.

No into skiing/snowboarding myself but IMO opinion this stands to be a highly significant opportunity for Sheffield.

I didn't realise there was a still a question over it. I hope it does go ahead as i'm quite enjoying my snowboarding at the moment and it would be nice to practice on snow without going to castleford.

I'm personally well excited about this one. When the dome gets built it will put the Ski Village back on the map where it should be as the mecca of all things snowy in the UK.

You night find this interesting http://www.snowboardclub.co.uk/tb.php?/news/article.html?newsid1107263880,73590,

Originally posted by eighty4
You night find this interesting http://www.snowboardclub.co.uk/tb.php?/news/article.html?newsid1107263880,73590,

I don't see any images, - all come up with 404 ?

At last an update in the Telegraph yesterday, not good news though:(

11 months on since submitting their plans and the council still hasn't given the go ahead or even declined it for that matter.

This is putting investors off, they were hoping to start development this summer.

Sheffield council don't you just love em!:mad:

Originally posted by Tony
It's not the same people. The Ski Village is owned by the same people as ever and it is they that are proposing Snow Mountain.

The people who are developing the snow village are Craig Marks and Menta.

The same people who are doing the regen of the Ucar site at Middlewood.

Yes they are the current investors of the ski village Tony you are correct. :hihi:

Originally posted by Modesty
At last an update in the Telegraph yesterday, not good news though:(

11 months on since submitting their plans and the council still hasn't given the go ahead or even declined it for that matter.

This is putting investors off, they were hoping to start development this summer.

Sheffield council don't you just love em!:mad:

I would be very surprised if the planning dept rejected the plans seeing as the investors have bought up a huge portion of the upper don and their investment plans coincide with the councils need for objective 1 money to do the new road links ect from Middlewood.

Originally posted by fox20thc
I would be very surprised if the planning dept rejected the plans seeing as the investors have bought up a huge portion of the upper don and their investment plans coincide with the councils need for objective 1 money to do the new road links ect from Middlewood.

All signs have been positive for this to go ahead but why is it taking so long for the council to give the green light.

This is just giving investors shakey feet.

Nearly a year to do some paperwork, how frustrating:loopy:

It is up in front of the councillors on the planning board next week: http://www.sheffield.gov.uk/your-city-council/council-meetings/planning-boards/west-and-north/agendas-2006/agenda-21st-february-2006/planning-applications

Recommendation from the planning staff is to grant it. It would be fantastic - would love to ride the cable car.

The timing of it to me seems like the publicity mad owner (John Fleetham) is going to use this to pressure the Council into accepting his proposals to demolish half of Ecclesall Road South.

I take it that this refers to the proposal to demolish the 2 houses owned by Fleetham & his wife and her sister & husband at Parkhead. I don't think there should be any worries about this one as my (reliable) information is that it has been taken care of, if you get my drift. :clap: :clap: :wink:

What concerns me more is, how in Gods name did he get planning permission to build the hideous monstrosity that he has now erected in the grounds of Beauchief Abbey House on Beauchief Abbey Lane? :huh: This was after the 4 of them bought B.A.H. for well above the asking price, and then went on a spree of environmental vandalism, including knocking the back wall out of an 18th century coaching house which had previously been used as a huge garage. :loopy: This was done to allow Fleetham to have vehicular access to the 'house' he had built, after one of the neighbours, whose property fronts onto Abbey Lane, had refused all attempts to coerse him to sell his house so that it could be demolished to provide direct vehicular access from Abbey Lane. :suspect:

This whole sorry episode is all the more strange insofar as it has all occured in what I believe to be some sort of a conservation area. :o

An inside ski centre, real snow, alpine village and cable links to the tram route? Ready in 2008.

Is this the high profile devlopment that Sheffield needs to boost it's image?

(been trying to find a link to it on web but ca't find anything - it was on Look North today)

See if this helps!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/south_yorkshire/4722864.stm

Maybe they ought to add a skeleton bob / bobsleigh run after Britain's achievements in the Winter Olympics - all without a bobsleigh run anywhere in the UK!

According to last night's Star, a lot of the aerodynamic analysis was done in Sheffield, and a lot of the training was done at the English Institute for Sport.

Bobsleighing from Shireclifffe to Shalesmoor - that would be exciting!

According to last night's Star, a lot of the aerodynamic analysis was done in Sheffield, and a lot of the training was done at the English Institute for Sport.

Hats of to Sheffield University:thumbsup:

Council tax going up with a bump - I predict !

Caz

Council tax going up with a bump - I predict !

Caz

Why? Please expand

Hopefully it really will give Sheffield the icing on the "sports city" image it seems to be trying to promote, and really put Sheffield on the map.

Wasnt there another thread on here that said Sheffield 8th fattest city??

Hardly an endorsment to me

I wish they would spend some of our taxes on sorting out the roads, littering etc instead of trying to get more people to Sheffield.

Try and look after the people that live here before inviting thousands more thats my view.

Hundreds more cars travelling over our awful roads making them worse for us who have to live here.... :rant: :rant: :rant:

Some cool renders of the Snow Mountain Development here (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=7422146#post7422146)

People will pay money to go and stay in an alpine chalet in the Austrian Tyrol, surrounded by mountains and the crisp cool air. Whether they'll pay money to come and stay in an alpine chalet where the view will be of Walkley and Crrokes, and the air quality is affected by Parkwood tip just round the other side of the hill, remains to be seen.

Go to the X-scape at Castleford, which is apparently really good. Then go and have a wander round Castleford town centre. Then tell me this is the boost that Sheffield needs.

xscape is a single small slope, there are no chalets or hotels to stay in and it's just off the motorway, so you've no need to see any of castleford on the way there.

I'm not convinced that many people will come and stay in a hotel just to use a snowdome, but the dome itself should be popular and well used.

I don't think there is any one thing that is 'the boost that sheffield needs'. This is just part of many things happening which benefit the city.

Some cool renders of the Snow Mountain Development here (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=7422146#post7422146)

The second one is so cool everything looks to be covered in snow ;) - but you can't hide those gasometers :hihi:

On Look North just now "the proposals have received planning consent"

Great news!!

The council has today given approval for the £80m Snow Mountain at the Ski village:D

http://sccplugins.sheffield.gov.uk/press/news/release.asp?akey=3402

http://www.sheffieldtoday.net/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=58&ArticleID=1360373

An inside ski centre, real snow, alpine village and cable links to the tram route? Ready in 2008.

Is this the high profile devlopment that Sheffield needs to boost it's image?

(been trying to find a link to it on web but ca't find anything - it was on Look North today)

Yes good idea linking it to the tram, we dont want visitors to Sheffield having to catch our dredfull Buses ( First South Yorkshire )

I've not read the whole thread, so I do apologise if I'm repeating the same points here.

I read about this in the Sheffield Telegraph. My immediate thoughts were 'OMG' indeed. Why ? I don't think it will do Sheffield good because, the city have not made a name for itself as a ski-ing city. So why would people flock here ? If the city council thinks of tourism, they should try and latch on what we do best here. i.e. making steel. Why can't we use steel to make a revolving tower of some sort to see the rest of the city, say ?

I'm not sure whether the people that are planning this have the right data to work with. Do they know how much it cost to go abroad and ski ? With the cheap airline these days, it's fairly cheap ! Even if people want to ski, they can go to the nearby Xscape in Leeds. Or the one in Milton Keynes. Most ppl who go to ski abroad WANT to go abroad. It's part of the skiing appeal. To make a fake village in a hot-ish country is just ridiculous. Do we have the views which will 'wow' the tourists ? All they will see from that side of town is just derelict land. (Not sure which derelict warehouses the Snow Mountain will cover.)

I don't particularly like the idea to be honest. Not wanting to diss Sheffield as a city or anything, but I don't wish to see it as another 'Student Games 1999' episode again. Student Games in Manchester regenerated the city, cos it was done well. With big project like this, they ought to get their markets, right. I am sure it is not going to be cheap for customers. I rather they emphasized the city's strong points, rather than create far-fetched ideas.

If they want to bring tourists back to Sheffield, and possibly make it a destination for European to visit, and hike in areas like the Peak District or to visit Bronte countries. Maybe they should try and get flights to fly to Sheffield Airport again from Europe. I was well impressed that we once had KLM serving from that airport, but sadly, it's no more. Also, with Midland Mainline increasing their fares, and knocked off some discount ticket types. It's not doing the transportation route to Sheffield any justice.

This is being built as a business, you don't think that the guy building it might have looked into the price of skiing holidays, indeed, maybe he's even been on a few himself.

This isn't about replacing the alps as a destination, nor turning Sheffield into a tourist city, people aren't going to come to the dome and stay for a week.

You say they can go to the nearby village at xscape... Well duh, that's called competition, why should we want them to go to Castleford, and to be honest it's not very good.

Has anyone considered the jobs that will be created as a result of this fantastic news. The upper don valley is about to change from dirty industry and grubby little sites into a fantastic area. From the snow dome all the way down to claywheels.

I can't wait :thumbsup:

The only downside I can see to this is the increased traffic congestion, - hopefully the new IRR will cope. And people cluttering up the trams with all their winter sports paraphernalia :)

I think this is great news for Sheffield. It will mean the redevelopment of the area in which the Ski Village is situated and encourage further investment which in turn will create more jobs etc. I heard that they expect in the region of 1 million visitors per year to use the new facilities. If they can attract such a number of people then that can only be good news both for Sheffield's economy and reputation. Personally, I can't wait to see a cable car travelling along Sheffield's skyline.

Why can't we use steel to make a revolving tower of some sort to see the rest of the city, say ?

What a FAB idea! Why stop there I suggest something along the lines of PIT LAND with dancing miners, do ya get me.

Hurrrah for Sheffield lets move forward and show the rest of the country how to build an artificial snow complex!

Two points to make:
1) Bago, you will pay upwards of £3500 a week for a skiing holiday in Europe.
If that is what you want , and can afford, then some cheaper practice, at any rate will be helpful with the ski village improvements.
If you enjoy the sport, but haven't got so much to spend, then the new ski slopes will be ideal.
2) It is never too late to try new things. I had never skiied in my life until last year when I had the opportunity to have a free lesson while on a trip to Canada. At the age of 57 I had the time of my life and look forward to continuing here at home.

What a FAB idea! Why stop there I suggest something along the lines of PIT LAND with dancing miners, do ya get me.


Didn't all the miners have to take early retirement ? The only dancing they'll want to do is on Maggie Thatcher's grave :D

I know that the young snowboarders are going to find Sheffield very much to their liking.

Two points to make:
1) Bago, you will pay upwards of £3500 a week for a skiing holiday in Europe.
If that is what you want , and can afford, then some cheaper practice, at any rate will be helpful with the ski village improvements.
If you enjoy the sport, but haven't got so much to spend, then the new ski slopes will be ideal.
2) It is never too late to try new things. I had never skiied in my life until last year when I had the opportunity to have a free lesson while on a trip to Canada. At the age of 57 I had the time of my life and look forward to continuing here at home.

your getting so ripped off. If you'd like i'll arrange your future holidays for the bargain rate of £2000/week :hihi:

Seriously, we've been twice to the alps this season, and it's cost us less than £500/person/week for the entire holiday both times (including spending money).

Most people coming to the snowdome wouldn't have their own equipment i'd have thought, so no worries clogging up the tram. I take my boots when going to xscape but not my board, i'd rather wear out their hire boards and since the price is included there's no disadvantage.

your getting so ripped off. If you'd like i'll arrange your future holidays for the bargain rate of £2000/week :hihi:

Seriously, we've been twice to the alps this season, and it's cost us less than £500/person/week for the entire holiday both times (including spending money).


I was going to say the same thing, I think Floe was stating a price for a large family maybe.

My mum and stepdad have just got a week in Hinterglemn (Austria) for £300.00 each, that's flights, bed and meals.
We paid about £550.00.
In fact when I go for the mates week away we always have a ceiling of £500.

It's going to be great to try new gear before you go and get some of those muscles worn in.

Well, you guys have answered it for me. It doesn't cost like 3.5k as Floe said. 300-500 UKP is what I have seen as far as ski packages go.

Any business surely needs a 'unique selling point'. If the ski slope in Sheffield happens to be Olympic standard, then maybe this will indeed attract people to come. I mean, if the ski slope is indoor with real snow, and it happens to be in Scotland, where it has a change to sustain that kind of climate. Then it's understandable, but Sheffield...I am not so sure.

Current dry ski lessons costs around 20-30 per lesson (no?). If you go abroad, you ski all day. Day in, day out, practising on the slopes. Maybe just a couple of lessons. You get more value for money. The cost is not really justifiable when in the UK. If the likes of Xscape is that popular, then why don't Sheffield have another Xscape here ? Rather than go out on a limb to build this big complex when the risk is much higher ?

Also, the skiing industry is booming within the Eastern Europe area. A lot of people are buying into E. Europe's property market to capitalise on the fact that they're near a natural slope/mountain. This has driven the cost down on that supply and demand curve. What I do not understand is why Sheffield would choose to jump onto this bandwagon ?

Scotland is a real bitch of a cable car ride from infirmary road though.

Are you arguing that the snow village should just be a clone of xscape, what's the advantage of not making it a better facility.

And why all the concern, it's not the councils money paying for it.

Well I for one can't wait,although I would probably not use the sports facilities.
I am interested in photography,so I hope a viewing area could be built in somewhere.
Also please some shops with style,not the usual Currys, PC World stuff.

Also please some shops with style,not the usual Currys, PC World stuff.
The shops at the Leppings Lane pavilion and at the ski village itself have to be sports related with a limited number of "essential food outlets", so there's no risk to Hillsborough or the city centre.

All I can say is I will believe it when it's built, they have promised thing before and never delivered including down hill mountain biking, white water rafting, climbing walls and hotels.

Also, the skiing industry is booming within the Eastern Europe area. A lot of people are buying into E. Europe's property market to capitalise on the fact that they're near a natural slope/mountain. This has driven the cost down on that supply and demand curve. What I do not understand is why Sheffield would choose to jump onto this bandwagon ?
I think, judging on the rising number of ski holidays, and their sinking price, ther would be a growing market for dry-slope facilities, especially for getting those underused skiing and boarding muscles back into shape. Given a choice between dry slopes and real snow, people will want to practice on real snow, I would have thought. So I think it's probably going to be very profitable for them.

Most people, if they go, go on one skiing holiday a year. The more practice they can get at home, the less classes they need to buy on location and the more time they will have to enjoy the skiing.

Although I've been skiing a few times, it never really grabbed me - too much like a fairground ride for the most part.

Are you arguing that the snow village should just be a clone of xscape, what's the advantage of not making it a better facility.

And why all the concern, it's not the councils money paying for it.

Snow Village boast that it is to be an indoor ski slope with real snow and a complex with a hotel. From a traveller's perspective. I don't think it sells to other tourists from outside of UK. You may disagree. If people living within UK thinks that there is a market for an indoor real snow skiing. (As some of you is convincing me here.) Then why not just go and open another Xscape (presumably it will be cheaper than opening an indoor complex).

I'm concerned cos I live here. I have family here, of course I would want the city to do well and prosper too. You may say I've been watching too many of those tv progs about derelict buildings, which prompts me to say this. I would definitely hate to see such complexes be build and never be used.

Maybe I've been reading too many local newspaper articles of late about how this or that should be done to improve the city. At times like these where big talks of elaborate plans happen, one cannot help but feel if it really will work in the future. Call me a pessimist in this instance.

Bago you are a pessimist in this instance.

Ok. LOL....
Didn't expect u to be so honest, but anyhow... it's acknowledged. =P
Everybody's entitled to their opinion. My answer to the thread title is still a 'no' though.

Sorry, I just wanted to get an easy post in for my 50th...

No worries. I'm a big girl now, I can take a constructive criticism. :D

Skiing is something I've looked into it myself as a holiday. I knew the costs and things. So when this came up, I was just surprised, and kinda passionate about it. Cos it's happening IN Sheffield. I'm still curious as to how they can manage to get a whole ski-slope to be entirely indoor, and using real snow. I'm not aware of this kind of indoor-slope anywhere in the world. I'm guessing the entire complex with the hotel/chalet included is indoor too. I've not heard of such a thing in the world. Maybe I'm just ignorant on that point, if there is.

[Added] Before others comment. I meant a whole slope with several difficulty levels, and not just a big slope like those in Xscape.

I see where the problem lies.

Xscape is also an indoor facilty with 'real' artificial snow. This is what will be built in sheffield, it'll just be bigger.
It's not like the idea is a new one, and as already discussed, xscape is popular, so there's no reason to think that this won't be popular. The next indoor artificial snow slope heading south is tamworth (nr birmingham), so we've got a large catchment area before we have to compete with either castleford or tamworth, and the facilities should be better here.
I doubt that the hotels and shops will be included inside the dome itself, why waste the money to make all that air cold and remove any chance of a view from the other buildings.
Maybe you should take a look at the artists impressions that have been linked too earlier.

Edit to add - of course this won't sell to people from outside the uk, no one flies somewhere to use an indoor slope.
It will sell to the people of sheffield, manchester, liverpool, leeds(if it's better than castelford), nottingham, leicester, derby, doncaster, and wherever i've missed.

of course this won't sell to people from outside the uk, no one flies somewhere to use an indoor slope

The length of the seasons at traditional ski resorts are getting shorter which is why indoor facilities are being invested in, as they don't have to worry about any changes in climate.... so there is a market from abroad.

Well, the same argument can go. The season may be shorter due to global warming, but more places are being opened up and used as a ski resort. More choices in a small time-span. Look to Eastern European countries like Slovenia, Slovakia etc etc...

I've scanned some of the marketing materials from the links posted previously. Cyclone, you previosuly mentioned that it is not coming from council tax, but, it still have governmental funds.

Developers say funding for the scheme would come from private finance and grants, possibly from Yorkshire Forward, the Government-backed regional development agency.

Anyhow, I never did raise the point about where is the money coming from. I'm more concerned about what effect it will have on the city on a long-term scale. It's not like you can scrap such a complex if it goes pete tong.

Unique selling points for the Snow Mountain development include the scale and complexity of the ski environment, the atmosphere and ambiance derived from the accompanying Alpine-style resort, the Gondola Cableway plus the design spec – a ski domain designed by ski enthusiasts for ski enthusiasts.

source = http://www.snowboardclub.co.uk/tb.php?/news/article.html?newsid1107263880,73590,

This is the unique selling point ? IF the structure so happens to be the biggest in the entire world, then I can understand it being a good unique selling point. I notice that it only mentioned, 'Europe's biggest'. Does it mean that there is somewhere else in the world which have the biggest indoor ski slope ? Maybe cos I'm not a great ski enthusiast, and I'm not knowledgable in the ski dynamics and things. But if it was a choice between a real ski slope (with culture of that country/place) to an artificial one. I know where I would go.

But Lib Dem Coun John Hesketh cast doubt on the scheme, comparing it to other failed projects in the past like the World Student Games and the National Centre for Popular Music.

He told the planning meeting: "This is a disaster waiting to happen. We are taking a major decision based on a flimsy piece of work. This is wishful thinking rather than hard-nosed thinking. It is people hoping it will work rather than looking at it in any detail."

source = http://www.sheffieldtoday.net/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=58&ArticleID=1360373

This guy is thinking on the same wavelength.
I've read all the articles linked, and the words mentioned by the developers. I'm sure the guy has a great vision and the idea is a good one, but is it really time to implement it in this economic climate ? IN Sheffield ? Of all places.

I suppose there's not much point debating about it now, cos reading from this whole thread. It's now gone ahead. Approved.

If there's a market for indoor slopes then they will be built on the continent, they aren't something you travel a long way for, at least IMO.

Obviously anyones preference will be for the real thing. But if you can drive <1 or 2hrs to get there and pay £50 to board for the day or the afternoon on a decentish artifical snow slope then some people will.
So long as that 'some' is enough to pull a profit then it works.

cool! I'm just learning to snowboard at mo so couldn't have come at a better time! :)

What's your problem Bago, are they building on your house or something.

Some people:rolleyes:

I really dont think you can use the argument global warming will lead to an increased demand for indoor snow alopes! Any half decent skier or boarder will reach the bottom of any artificial slop in 10 seconds! This is hardly a replacement for the huge runs and off piste in the Alps.

Skiing is huge and growing all the time, it is vital for both the city and the region that this project goes ahead. It will attract new skiers, schools etc which will eventually help the British team develop. I've been to all the existing snow slopes in the UK and they are S**t! This one sounds much bigger and betyter than the others. Its all about the length of the run and any snow park for boarders. Sheffield will hold a distinct advantage over all the others facilities in the UK and will subsequently attract a lot more people.

Bring it on!

And will they be producing snow from the water they extract from their bore hole. A bore hole near a toxic tip-not a very good idea to me.

I wish it was built already.. just bought my first snowboard :D

To reply to one or two posters about this super-dooper ski slope you’re going crazy about, I think it unlikely that it will be well used by the people of Leeds who have a facility at Castleford, and it’s equally unlikely to be used by Manchester’s skiing enthusiasts who have a nearby slope at Rawtenstall in the Rossendale Valley (20 minutes on the motorway). As for a selection of shops — Not Curry’s and the usual High Street stores, as one poster put it — you might be interested to know that while the City of Manchester Stadium was being built for the Commonwealth Games, McDonalds were racing to build yet another crap food outlet to cater for the crowds, and Wal-Mart/Asda were shooting up a new superstore!
I don’t doubt that the trio planning to build this facility have all done their homework — but it’ll be for their profit or loss and not simply to provide Sheffield with a facility second-to-none; if that’s what it proves to be.
And for those wanting to ride cable cars, why not drive over to Matlock Bath to find out what outlandish fees are charged? When you know that, you’l probably begin to appreciate the much lower fares of buses — however scruffy they might be.
Having said all that, my gut feeling is that it’ll be quite an attraction. But it won’t put Sheffield on any map. The city was — still is to some extent — a city of steel. Bring that back, along with the engineering companies, and Sheffield might once again have something to crow about.

My house will over look this development..waits and watches house price go up and up and up....

House in France seems to be getting closer all of a sudden..k'ching k'ching

jt

And for those wanting to ride cable cars, why not drive over to Matlock Bath to find out what outlandish fees are charged? When you know that, you’l probably begin to appreciate the much lower fares of buses — however scruffy they might be.

The cable cars are not an attraction they are going to be part of the transport infrastructure. Similar prices to bus fares to get people from one side of the vally to the other.

It seems that Sheffield will also have to compete with this one in Manchester:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/4792819.stm

Having said all that, my gut feeling is that it’ll be quite an attraction. But it won’t put Sheffield on any map. The city was — still is to some extent — a city of steel. Bring that back, along with the engineering companies, and Sheffield might once again have something to crow about.

Perhaps Sheffield should wait and see how Manchester gets on with throwing out all the banks, insurance, software and media companies and going back to spinning cotton first.

Meanwhile, back in the reality of the 21st century...

I don't think we should wait to see how manchester does.

I know that many years ago,Sheffield turned down the opportunity to have an internation aiport built.
They turned this down,and instead Manchester ended up with this.!!

And how many have complained since then that we should have ur own internation airport.(i know we have Finningly now)

I say go for it..i don't think we would be on to a loser here.

I think it would be a win win win for the city of Sheffield..

jt

you think that throwing out all the modern businesses and going back to steel production would be good for sheffield? or did you not properly read the earlier posts?

It seems that Sheffield will also have to compete with this one in Manchester:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/4792819.stm

That looks more like something to keep the shoppers at the Trafford Centre busy.

I think there will be demand for this. The ski village always seems to be quite busy. I know i've thought about going snowbording there, but the lack of real snow has put me off. Surely there's other people like me who have thought about going and never got round to it. Maybe this would give them a push to go.

Also, people from other places near smaller slopes will come. They'll be attracted by the length of it, and maybe just that it's different from the one near them. (Just like people from Sheffield might visit the Doncaster Dome, just cause it's different to Ponds Forge).

I love snowboarding, but dendex is horrible.
I think i'll probably use the snowdome about once a month once it's built.
XScape at castleford is too far and too limited for me to bother, but something that's within a tram/cable car ride, or a 10 min drive, and has fake snow, it'd be worth it just to stay in practice.

^^Exactly what I mean.

I'm sure there's quite a lot of others who think the same.

I'm hoping never to have to resort to a dry ski slope.. I learnt to snowboard in the Alps and I've been to Xscape.. I just don't like the idea of dendex.

I wish Menta would just get on with building SnowMountain.. they know it'll be a huge sucess...

I think it would be grwat for the outdoor scene in sheffield however i doubt it will really happen due to the financial backing.

I just want to let everyone who is excited or anxious about the Snow Mountain application to remember the environment around the Ski Village.

Despite many posts on here stating otherwise, Parkwood Springs is far more than a toxic landfill site. There are many public footpaths, bridleways through the site, areas of internationally valuable lowland heathland, remnant ancient woodland as well as wet areas which are remnants of the old springs found on the site. New tree planting is giving the area a more wooded feel and plans and when the landfill is full, the site's restoration will make the area larger than Hyde Park!

It is currently used by dog walkers, mountain bikers, people having a sandwich from nearby industry, footballers and (illegal) off road bikers admittedly....There is a dedicated local residents group called Parkwood Springs Steering Group working with the local authority and Sheffield Wildlife Trust to help improve access and manage these fantastic habitats. It also hosts one of the best views across Sheffield!!

So whilst I would not deny that economic improvements to the Upper Don Valley will be beneficial, I just wanted to raise people's awareness of the valuable habitats and wildlife found here too. Not everyone views the site as a spoil heap.........thanks for listening!

this snow thing i work on industrial estate on rutland road will my firm be knocked down?

Well I'll be bringing my ski stuff down when I visit again, I am lucky enough to live near to real snow slopes in Scotland but also use the Xcape indoor slope in glasgow. Now when I visit my relatives I can board & ski there too great look forward to 2008

While I think it certainly can't do any harm to add to Sheffield's leisure activity portfolio, I would question whether it's really put Castleford or Tamworth on the map, for instance. And if Castleford is less than an hour away, why would people from Leeds or other places further North come to Sheffield to ski when Castleford will be closer for them?

So in my view, probably not a bad thing, but hardly the unique attraction Sheffield needs to tempt people away from other places.

To be honest Xcape at castleford is an excellent venue and attracts huge numbers -so i think it would have to be a yes (to being put on the map) to a degree. I do worry though about the size of Sheffields / south yorkshires sporting / leisure agenda and the costs of supporting it. i.e 5 footy teams, how ever many rugby teams, Ice hockey, Don valley (student) games stuff, Ponds forge etc..etc... is there enough surplus income across South Yorkshire to support all this and if not how do the masterminders of new facilities guarantee an outside influx of supporting revenue

I just want to let everyone who is excited or anxious about the Snow Mountain application to remember the environment around the Ski Village.

Despite many posts on here stating otherwise, Parkwood Springs is far more than a toxic landfill site. There are many public footpaths, bridleways through the site, areas of internationally valuable lowland heathland, remnant ancient woodland as well as wet areas which are remnants of the old springs found on the site. New tree planting is giving the area a more wooded feel and plans and when the landfill is full, the site's restoration will make the area larger than Hyde Park!

It is currently used by dog walkers, mountain bikers, people having a sandwich from nearby industry, footballers and (illegal) off road bikers admittedly....There is a dedicated local residents group called Parkwood Springs Steering Group working with the local authority and Sheffield Wildlife Trust to help improve access and manage these fantastic habitats. It also hosts one of the best views across Sheffield!!

So whilst I would not deny that economic improvements to the Upper Don Valley will be beneficial, I just wanted to raise people's awareness of the valuable habitats and wildlife found here too. Not everyone views the site as a spoil heap.........thanks for listening!

Whilst I agree it will be a visual improvement, it will be like putting a new carpet over rotting floorboards, the fact that you state there are remnants of the old springs still on site is a cause for concern.
There is very little of Old Parkwood that is undisturbed if any at all.

Can t come quick enough for us!

Can t come quick enough for us!

did I miss something? I thought the council rejected the application? Have they reversed this decision?

this snow thing i work on industrial estate on rutland road will my firm be knocked down?

Hmm you too, which one?

Apparantly Rutland roads going to be a main access for the centre and as such is going to be converted into a main road. so whats going to happen regarding parking? Its a nightmare on here already

could you clarify please? Why would remnant wet flushes on site be a cause for concern? And how can the fact that there are two biodiversity action plan habitats (ancient woodland and lowland heathland which is internationally rare) on site be comnpared to rotting floorboards? Not all of the site is landfill, a great deal around the margins has never been quarried or filled with waste.

could you clarify please? Why would remnant wet flushes on site be a cause for concern? And how can the fact that there are two biodiversity action plan habitats (ancient woodland and lowland heathland which is internationally rare) on site be comnpared to rotting floorboards? Not all of the site is landfill, a great deal around the margins has never been quarried or filled with waste.

Name one, 99% of Parkwood is disturbed land and the remaining 1% is debatable, and on the subject of wet flushes, water runs downhill.