View Full Version : The jewish people - actual race of people?


kirky
27-01-2005, 10:25
are they an actual race of people or a religious group,i keep hearing on the news about the polish jew,the german jews,dutch jews etc.....where did they they originally come from.

DaBouncer
27-01-2005, 10:30
Jewish I would say (happy to stand corrected tho) is a religion but we refer to people of the Jewish faith as Jews.

So it kinda crossed over from religion to race, similar to Muslim.
Muslim is a religion rather than a race, but we refer to people who follow that faith as Muslims - again crossing over to a race type of reference.

However I'm happy to be proved otherwise if I am incorrect.

alchemist
27-01-2005, 10:32
Originally posted by kirky
are they an actual race of people or a religious group,i keep hearing on the news about the polish jew,the german jews,dutch jews etc.....where did they they originally come from.

from an area called Judah in the middle east

dave

Siān
27-01-2005, 10:39
I'm no expert either - so like Dabouncer I'm happy to be corrected but I thought that whilst once Jews were once a race (in Biblical times) that since the Diaspora (when Jews were exiled from their own land) that was no longer the case & that these days Judaism is a religion

nomme
27-01-2005, 10:45
For more information than you probably want:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jew

Nomme

NatalieSheff
27-01-2005, 10:51
its also seen as a culture, bit like islam i suppose

nick2
27-01-2005, 12:26
What is a "race" anyway, a group from a certain place, with a certain physical characteristics, a certain religion, a certain language ?

Phanerothyme
27-01-2005, 14:11
Originally posted by nomme
For more information than you probably want:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jew

Nomme

A rabbi once told me that to be a jew is to follow the faith of judaism.

but wiki wraps it up for me. Fascinating stuff.

For race - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race

cgksheff
27-01-2005, 14:27
Originally posted by nomme
For more information than you probably want:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jew

Nomme

Did you scan down this page to "Jewish Culture" They've been Hacked!!

Edit: Oops! now I see what Wikipedia is. Anyone can edit or add
Not necessarily the best reference then?

kilauea
27-01-2005, 14:32
I looked this up recently as I found myself asking the same question. From what I could work out they are an actual race, but as a lot of their documented "history" is taken from the bible I have problems believing a lot of what they take as fact. Such as the whole exodus business for instance.
I am not by the way in any way anti-semitic and don't wish to cause anybody any offense, especially today.

craigb
27-01-2005, 14:34
IMHO there is only one race.... the human one.

Unfortunately the majority of people seem to want to split that into all these sub-categories?

Never did understand that personally

sccsux
27-01-2005, 15:37
Originally posted by craigb
IMHO there is only one race.... the human one.

Unfortunately the majority of people seem to want to split that into all these sub-categories?

Never did understand that personally


:clap: Someone with common sense!

Welcome to the minority;) :D

kilauea
27-01-2005, 15:41
Originally posted by craigb
IMHO there is only one race.... the human one.

Unfortunately the majority of people seem to want to split that into all these sub-categories?

Never did understand that personally

Its human nature. We do it with everything. Can't help instinct.

Though I like the sentiment.

Phanerothyme
27-01-2005, 16:00
Originally posted by cgksheff
Did you scan down this page to "Jewish Culture" They've been Hacked!!

Edit: Oops! now I see what Wikipedia is. Anyone can edit or add
Not necessarily the best reference then?

Well yes they can, but if no consensus is acheived, that part of the topic stays in discussion, until someone else triggers another discussion on any topic. If you read the actual discussions behind each entry you can see how the entry was arrived at.

It's a fluid thing, but you can be sure that a lot of the contentious topics on wikipedia are backed by lengthy and extremely well informed debate (in a lot of cases at any rate).

Edd
27-01-2005, 17:07
Originally posted by craigb
IMHO there is only one race.... the human one.

Unfortunately the majority of people seem to want to split that into all these sub-categories?

Never did understand that personally


Spot on mate - i don get it either.


Originally posted by sccsux
:clap: Someone with common sense!

Welcome to the minority ;) :D

Well...theres so many categories of minority - which one are you in?? :hihi: :loopy:

craigb
27-01-2005, 18:53
Originally posted by Edd
Spot on mate - i don get it either.
Thanks :cool:

Originally posted by Edd
Well...theres so many categories of minority - which one are you in?? :hihi: :loopy:

LOL - good question! :thumbsup: :hihi:

chillicat
27-01-2005, 19:31
For "race" read "tribe"?

joyphil
27-01-2005, 19:35
I would submit that, thanks to diaspora, Judeism is a faith, but Jewishness is a state of mind. Which is not to be confused with a state of aggression. That'll be Israel.