my grandson is 11yrsold, at approx 12pm today he was threatend by a 15/16yr old with a knife, while waiting to buy his lunch, the youth put the knife to his face and told him to go to the back of the queue,he was terrified and ran back to school, the teachers spoke to the boy confiscated the knife and suspended him for three days. at 3:30pm my grandson came home really distressed, my daughter took him back to school found out the facts and at 5pm went to the police stn only to find the reception was closed, went home rang the police ,was put in a queue and after 20min of holding on ,was told some one would come out to see her,during this evening,phoned back twice and guess what, still no police investigation, where do you go from here.

Write a letter to a newspaper, that will give a good kick up to the law enforcement and should hopefully insure that this case is dealt with. That is if newspaper publishes the case.

Who knows where you go from here, something serious like this happens and there's no responce - sit him in the driving seat of a car with an apple and Riverdance playing on the radio and within minutes you should have a full swat team complete with helicopters etc - what a sorry state of affairs.

I do hope this unfortunate situation leaves your grandson with no lasting affects

As the knife has already been confiscated and no injury occurred, the incident is not a screaming blue lights situation for the police any more. They'll interview the culprit as soon as is practical.

I know this isn't what you would like to hear, but perhaps if you contact your crime prevention officer, or local bobby, and ask for an appointment for the follow up to be done (in a calm and reasonable tone ;) ) they'll know you mean to see this through to a satisfactory conclusion.

If they cannot give you a date - make an appointment with the Star. :thumbsup:

Edit: I bet when they confiscated the knife, they smeared their prints all over it :rolleyes:

Contact also the local Education Authority / council & report it at a higher level than 'in-house'.
Speak to your local councillor either at one of their 'clinics' (or whatever they refer to them as). Speak to social services - they may be interested in why the parents of this child allow him/her to have a knife in the first place.

If you want to get the police's attention you'll have to drive your car around with a bag of apples on your lap. :loopy:

Originally posted by twinky1
Who knows where you go from here, something serious like this happens and there's no responce - sit him in the driving seat of a car with an apple and Riverdance playing on the radio and within minutes you should have a full swat team complete with helicopters etc - what a sorry state of affairs.

I do hope this unfortunate situation leaves your grandson with no lasting affects

Originally posted by Don_Kiddick
If you want to get the police's attention you'll have to drive your car around with a bag of apples on your lap.

Guys, have I missed something? Whats's all this about apples and/or Riverdance? Roughy, I hope the little 'un's ok!

K x

Originally posted by Kristian
Guys, have I missed something? Whats's all this about apples and/or Riverdance? Roughy, I hope the little 'un's ok!

K x

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tyne/4203375.stm

&

http://www.talkaudio.co.uk/vbb/showthread.php?t=103468

The police are becoming a laughing stock. No wonder there's little respect any more.

Thanks for the update Cols. :thumbsup: All the governments' talk about 'back to basics', and then stuff like this happens!

K x

I think that going to The Star is a great idea
3 day suspension.......pathetic
Seems everyone has forgotten about the Luke Walmsley case already

Thats disgusting! Surely the offending individual is guilty of threatening behaviour and possession of an offensive weapon - 3 days is a joke, I hope that whatever action you take manages to get this kid the punishment he deserves! Hope your grandson is ok in spite of this incident.

Strix has a good point, the knife has been taken off the child so the immediate danger is gone but in todays day and age when there seem to be so many violent incidents i do think the police should be slightly more interested in responding. However is it not possible that they have already been informed and drawn in by the school and may have had words with the parents of the delinquent ?
I would also hope that the three day suspension is only till the school can get the full facts of the matter and have a VERY serious talk to the parents and could possibly lead to a full time exclusion.
I'd go back to the police and ask for an update and figure out some way to speak to some-one face to face even if that means going to astation that is manned or even the main police HQ

Thats disgusting! Surely the offending individual is guilty of threatening behaviour and possession of an offensive weapon - 3 days is a joke

The police should have been called as soon as your grandson reported what happened to a member of staff. I'd certainly be asking the school why they failed to do this. If they'd called them at the time things would have been very different. So often schools want to play these things down :rant:

Contact also the local Education Authority / council & report it at a higher level than 'in-house'.

I can't believe the school didn't even have the courtesy to call your daughter or send a letter home to let you know what had happened. Actually I can but it's most definitely worth taking it further - I agree with Don Kiddick - you need to take it 'higher' than the school itself.

Don't give up on this one pursue the matter and it may be the best for all involved including the oaf who pulled the knife. No person of any age should go through that especially at 11 years old!!!!

Get it dealt with and get it out in the open, people need to hear about this!!

Typical Schools in our country blinkered to the fact of bullying,when are schools going to accept that bullying goes on & do something about it.A child of 11 yrs gets threatened with a knife & the school do nothing ,I would take my child out of that school inform the Police & don't take no for an answer demand they do something & notify the Newspapers then the school would have to deal with it.Or are they waiting for another knife death.Hope the youngster is ok.All the best

we are going to take it as far as possible, but until the police take a statement from my g/son they wont interview the boy.
The school say it was during the lunch hour and was out of school ,so they cant be involved with the incident ,he got the suspension for having a knife in school, they say once the police are involved they will take further action if needed.
What worries me is if this boy was going into school with a knifeyesterday,today he could be out on the street with another knife, are we sayng it is only urgent if the culprit used the knife.
I am sure luke walmsley parents wish their sons murderer had been caught with the knife the day before , he might still be alive today if he had.

The school say it was during the lunch hour and was out of school ,so they cant be involved with the incident ,he got the suspension for having a knife in school,

They are still in loco parentis unless your daughter had signed something to say your grandson is allowed off school premises at lunch time. Even if that was the case the very least they should have done was to call your daughter to inform her of what had happened.

After such a nasty experience you might have thought they'd send your grandson home for the afternoon. I doubt he was up to much work after that poor kid :( If they made him go back to classes as if nothing had happened I'd want to kick up a stink about that too. If an adult was threatened like that they'd not be expected to carry on that day as if nothing had happened!

Kids are allowed to go to sandwich shop, sweet shop, close to the school, the school was just about to contact her as she walked in school to complain.
My daughter has contacted the police again, they are going to try and come this evening, she has also informed the school that she has contacted the police.

This is dreadful - a letter to the Chair of the Governors of the school might be worth considering. When I was a Chair of Governors this would have horrified me.

Be very careful about publicising it at this stage to the newspapers. If it does come to court or to some sort of hearing a smart brief can easily point to publicity about the case and say that it prejudices his client.

Joe

The school say it was during lunch hour,man they are responsible for a child as long as the school is open including dinner time,if the kid had pulled a knife in the dinner hall would they have done something then,I doubt it,the schools these days a spineless & afraid of a reputation.Fight it all the way & good luck.

have the police attended yet and what action have they taken

I hope your grandsons ok.
My brother was assaulted by a big gang of lads a couple of months ago. We called the police when the lads were chucking housebricks at him, obviously it was an emergency.
We called at 10pm and they turned up at 3 in the morning when it was too late.
Theyre absolutley useless.

the police still havnt been, she rang again tonight was kept holding on another 1/2 hr they said someone would get back to her with some idea when to expect a visit, trouble is its friday tomorrow, school shut nothing can be done until monday,the youths address etc and guess what the lad with the knife will be back in school monday.

Originally posted by roughy101
we are going to take it as far as possible, but until the police take a statement from my g/son they wont interview the boy.
The school say it was during the lunch hour and was out of school ,so they cant be involved with the incident ,he got the suspension for having a knife in school, they say once the police are involved they will take further action if needed.
What worries me is if this boy was going into school with a knifeyesterday,today he could be out on the street with another knife, are we sayng it is only urgent if the culprit used the knife.
I am sure luke walmsley parents wish their sons murderer had been caught with the knife the day before , he might still be alive today if he had. that last paragraph is what you need to be pushing, with the police,the school,the yobs parents,and if you have to the sheffield star...

just before xmas my children were constantly threatened night after night by a gang of youthe info including names of said gang were passed on still no action
we phoned when they threatened them with baseball bats
still no response
when eventually 1 was assaulted they attended 6 hours later and said theyd passs it on to commnity policing
then when my lads were attacked by about 25 of the gang armed with bats etc i joined in guess what they ran
i went to the house where they entered and was happily kicking the door in when they (the gang rang the police in less than 3 minutes 2 police cars attended to ask me to leave
having explained the circumstances they admitted problems with the gang including arson and stoning firefighters
the pollowing week the had a clampdown now problem nearly gone
the question is how long if i hadnt joined in before they took action and how come when myself and neighbors phone police it takes hours to arrive when they say they are being threatened they are there in less than 5 minutes:confused:

well at last the police are taking action ,my g/son has been to ecclesfield police stn today to give a video statement,the police are going to speak the youth this week, they have recovered the knife and said it was not a penknife.

Glad things are moving :thumbsup: good luck here on in.

Originally posted by Swan_Vesta
Thats disgusting! Surely the offending individual is guilty of threatening behaviour and possession of an offensive weapon - 3 days is a joke, I hope that whatever action you take manages to get this kid the punishment he deserves! Hope your grandson is ok in spite of this incident.

a suspension from school is not an alternative to the criminal justice system.

Schools are notoriously poor at dealing with bullying as there is a strong 'PR' machine in many schools which trys to cover up the reality of modern educational (mis )management

good luck
:thumbsup:

Originally posted by zippy
Schools are notoriously poor at dealing with bullying as there is a strong 'PR' machine in many schools which trys to cover up the reality of modern educational (mis )management

My head teacher often said, proudly, "there's no bullying in my school". He was either a fool or a lier.

I'm glad the police seem to be doing somthing, all be it too late. The school's reaction seems totally inadequate however - they should have notified the police themselves. I would be writing to the Head Teacher and LEA to ask why this was not done. I would also consider writing to the Chief Constable to complain about the delays in the police dealing with this incident.

I would write to your local councillor and MP, to let them know what has happened and how the police have responded.

Have you spoken to other parents at the school about what happened? Are they concerned too? If so, they need to express their concerns to the head as well.

I don't want to get off subject here but this topic has opened my eyes. Have we become so lazy that all we can do is right letters to news papers or our so called leaders.

What has happened is horrible but it will happen again, some gangster wanna be will go the distance and knife sombody and the police say "well stabbings are down by 20% this year" well who cares there's still a percentage out there getting stabed.

A point has to be made.

Im 16 years old, 2 days ago me and a friend (same age, both girls) were robbed on the street ( of phone, money and other items) by 3 BOYS aged between 17-19, tried phoning the police and got put on HOLD afterwards it was too late and they still never came.

Next time ill be well armed and will take matters into my own hands! The police are useless!

This is why prank calls should always be reported. The police have a problem sorting pranks from genuine calls.

It's best to knock on somebody's door, because they always take landline calls from an address more seriously.

I was annoyed when we reported our window being smashed, and Mr Strix had followed the gang, so we knew who they were and where they were. There was also a guy who gave us his phone number who was a witness.

The police who turned up (pronto) thought they were coming to arrest Mr Strix for manhandling a teenager :mad: :mad: :mad:

This sort of incident happens regularly at the school close to me. Cannot mention the school, But it is the same Police Area. Taking a knife from this scum bag and a three day suspension does not take away the immediate danger. The danger is the kid himself. He needs taking away. One young boy in my area reported such an incident. The offender was sent home minus his knife, When the kids were let out of school the offending thug was waiting with another knife, also a friend with an air pistol. The young boy took a pasting. But, No-one seems to want to do anything about this family that causes the trouble. We are given a lot of advice that works in theory. But, Practice is a different matter when people live in fear not only of the scum bags, But also their friends and families. I am glad I do not have a family, If I did and this happened to them then I am afraid I would be serving life in Jail. I would get rid of the scum bag. Maybe the offender in the threads case will be given a lecture and sent on a weekends holiday with the social services. I would give him 5 years ina real jail

Last night in Woodhouse, a 17 year old lad was mugged INSIDE the co-op.
What did they take...........his GLASSES !!!

What is the world coming to ?

should have gone to spec savers. Sorry could'nt help myself.

And yet somebody gets a £50 fine for dropping a cigarette butt on the floor. Justice is done.

Originally posted by Tim42
And yet somebody gets a £50 fine for dropping a cigarette butt on the floor. Justice is done.
I apollogise - this is off the thread but I have to say it...

Today's news : Some s41thouse has duped a load of pensioners out of money in a scam involving scare tactics selling security equipment: he got 6 months & a fine.
A hoaxer who conned his way into Buckingham Palace got 4 years. Justice indeed. :suspect: :loopy:

Originally posted by roughy101 Well can you believe it the police have called today, after many phone calls from my daughter with regards to this incident.
The boy is going to be interviewed on tuesday next week, 3 weeksafter the event, The police said dont hold out for a prosecution,because the boy hasnt been in trouble before,AN ANYONE TELL ME IF I WRITE TO THE CHEIF CONSTABLE ABOUT THIS INCIDENT,will he even see my letter.
MY DAUGHTER THEN ASKED IF THE BOY THAT STABBED LUKE WALMSLEY TO DEATH,HAD BEEN IN TROUBLE BEFORE,
my grandson is 11yrsold, at approx 12pm today he was threatend by a 15/16yr old with a knife, while waiting to buy his lunch, the youth put the knife to his face and told him to go to the back of the queue,he was terrified and ran back to school, the teachers spoke to the boy confiscated the knife and suspended him for three days. at 3:30pm my grandson came home really distressed, my daughter took him back to school found out the facts and at 5pm went to the police stn only to find the reception was closed, went home rang the police ,was put in a queue and after 20min of holding on ,was told some one would come out to see her,during this evening,phoned back twice and guess what, still no police investigation, where do you go from here.

What was your child doing out of school unattended at the age of 12?

something not right there.

Originally posted by climaxchick
What was your child doing out of school unattended at the age of 12?

something not right there.
Perhaps more importantly is 'something's not right about being threatened with a knife'...
or are you advocating this?:loopy:
Maybe we should all stay indoors & let the chavs rule the ways?

Originally posted by climaxchick
What was your child doing out of school unattended at the age of 12?

something not right there.

yes, 12 year olds should all be locked up and not allowed to buy lunch. Or walk home for lunch, or probably walk too and from school.

Did you bother to think before you posted?

There were times when we could walk about in safety. I remember walking 2 miles to school when I was 11. I had no fears. We played out till late at night when we were not at school the following day. We were not afraid. We could walk alone in the local park or woods. We should be free to do so without fear of crime. Regardless of age. Now it is unsafe for anyone to walk around certain areas of Sheffield regardless of the time of day. We always have that fear of crime. Till we turn the clocks back and have real prisons. Then we shall see worse to come. We cannot open a newpaper see the news on telly etc. without being told some child or some pensioner has been attacked. We need a prison service where when a criminal leaves. He will say " God, I am never going back there ".