Does anyone know anything about this? I'm talking about the green space high above Homebase, Courts and Allied Carpets, Chesterfield Road.

Got up this morning, wandered up with mad dog to the quarry for our morning constitutional...only to find weird machinery lurking up out of the morning mist.

Husband went home at lunchtime and spoke to someone up there, and they said they were building houses! And yet another medical centre.

Excuse me, Ponsfords (as I believe they own this land) but I think it might have been polite to tell local residents that you were about to do this! If you are...

I would love to see some plans for what they intend to do up there. Personally, I wouldn't choose to live quite so near the edge of a quarry - the houses will literally be up against the edge, unlesss they're very teeny. Shouldn't have thought Derbyshire Lane houses will be too chuffed, either - say goodbye to your views, guys!

Cosy:rant:

well they can't have started to do it without getting planning permission so there must have been plans available to look at.

Unless they've had planning permission for years and years. Then am I right in thinking they can just start?

Certainly there's been no notification anywhere near us, and you have to have notification before you know to go looking at the plans!!

The planning requests used to be available for view online...anyone got any ideas if they still are?

Planning permission or no, aren't you supposed to notify local residents if you're going to start building 500 metres away from their house?

I've not noticed any signs in the area and I do wander round the top of the quarry every now and then. I certainly wouldn't want to live there as the chances of falling into the quarry house and all would be on my mind constantly.

I can't find anything under the planning applications on the website. No Google search hits, either. How on earth do I find out any more???

HELP!:confused:

Will they be on Derbyshire Lane then? :confused: I thought they had demolished houses on one side of the road to allow for the quarry? Surely there's not enough room?

K x

I wouldn't believe it myself if the guy we spoke to hadn't categorically stated it. There isn't much room - and how come they're allowed to do it without telling anyone????

It will directly affect everyone living nearby - there must be something about it somewhere...

I am really starting to get grotty about this...
:rant:

I might have dreamed this, but I thought that the terraced houses a bit further up Chesterfield Road had a problem with the hill slipping into their gardens? This (I imagine) would be same hill, so surely the new houses wouldn't be safe?

K x

AFAIK it's a millstone grit quarry, so pretty sturdy, which is why I wasn't too worried about living as close to it as I do. But I wouldn't get much closer...

(My limited knowledge of stone types would suggest millstone grit makes a pretty hardy place to build...now if they'd been mining slate, sandstone, otc, I'd be more concerned.)

Cosy

I spoke with Adrian Ponsford yesterday and he admitted that they have plans for the quarry top and that they will keep residents informed. His reason was that he wants to tidy up the quarry top as people are dumping there ( not quite sure this is the real reason)

We particulary don't want any more traffic up here as it's bad enough already.

If anyone has any ideas or alternatives for the land ( protected wildlife garden etc etc ) then we'd love to hear and then perhaps put something to Ponsfords in answer to the so called dumping etc.

They will not be doing anything without an approved planning application.
But, to the best of my knowledge, the only people that are required to be given notice are those actually adjacent to the proprty. The rest of us have to keep our eyes on the public notices and the council website.

If you telephone the planning department, they will give you a straight answer but you will have to be very clear as to the location.
What address will the location have? It may be listed as "land off ............. Street/Road/etc.
If you just say "Meersbrook Quarry" they may honestly say "we have no application for that site".

As a possible calmer: don't forget that machine drivers, brickies etc. can often be the worst at winding people up!

Originally posted by Littlemesters
I spoke with Adrian Ponsford yesterday and he admitted that they have plans for the quarry top and that they will keep residents informed. His reason was that he wants to tidy up the quarry top as people are dumping there ( not quite sure this is the real reason)

We particulary don't want any more traffic up here as it's bad enough already.

If anyone has any ideas or alternatives for the land ( protected wildlife garden etc etc ) then we'd love to hear and then perhaps put something to Ponsfords in answer to the so called dumping etc.

So we have a link of some kind to Mr Ponsford...excellent (rubs hands in glee).

I would like to know when they intend to start keeping residents informed, if they are preparing to build up there at this very moment.

I roam the legth and breadth of the quarry daily...what dumping? A wee bit of green garden waste...the odd plastic bag...I'll happily take a camera up there to prove it if he can't get there himself.

A few of us on Meersbrook Avenue thought it would be nice to have a wildlife area/ trail, with the odd bench up there. We were all set to send out leaflets to see what everyone else around thought, when a variety of lightning bolts struck several of us (not the electric kind, lol, the life-changing circumstances kind) and it all fell to the back of our minds. However, I'm guessing it's a bit late for that now they're up there with machinery.

Any chance you can keep us updated?

Cosy

Does anyone know why the path adjacent to the quarry down Scarsdale is fenced off ? Is this related to the above ?

H. Ponsford Limited

579-609 London Road
Sheffield
S2 4HS

tel : 0114 255 0075
fax : 0114 250 056

The amount of rubbish being dumped up there is miniscule, the only rubbish I've seen has been carried there by the wind not dumped. I'd like to see it opened up as a well laid wildlife trail with vantage points with seats looking out over the city, the view from up there is pretty good.
I'm going to have to ring the council planning department tomorrow after I've wandered up there to check the machinery out and to see exactly where it is.
I did geology up to O level cosywolf are you sure that the quarry is millstone grit, it doesn't look like it?

The local authority has NO statutory obligation to inform you of planning applications whether you live adjacent to the land or not.

The one avanue you could try to prohibit building on this is to try and get the council to designate it as a local nature reserve. I don't really know the land in question so its hard to comment on how this may be perceived. It might also be worth while getting some sort of biodiversity report on the land, probably the best people to try are the Sorby Natural History Society.

Originally posted by cosywolf
I can't find anything under the planning applications on the website. No Google search hits, either. How on earth do I find out any more???

HELP!:confused:

Have a look here:

Planning application search (http://libplugins.sheffield.gov.uk/planning/search.asp)

[i]
A few of us on Meersbrook Avenue thought it would be nice to have a wildlife area/ trail, with the odd bench up there. [/B]

perhaps you could set up a local action group, apply for grants lottery or something? Buy the land and develop a wildlife site? Didn't somethingsimilar happen on Woodbank Crescent a few years ago?

Have any rights to access been acquired over the years from people going on there freely to walk dogs etc? If so maybe there'll be some legal objection you could use to stop develiopment ... otherwise if the land is in ownershiip - i don't suppose they'll be willing to hand it over - and if they did, who would take responsibility for the care and running of it?

There were rumours about 18 years ago that flats were to be built up there. Is the footpath which has been closed resently, a public right of way? No one has been informed of any future buildings, but if it is true, will they do something about the footpath on the top of Scardale Road as this is a death trap and the council refuse to do anything about it.

The machinery went this afternoon, they have been test drilling to check the stability of the ground, by doing this I hope it shows that they must realise that a landslip is a possibility if they proceed to build, as the earlier post stated someone built on a road at the side of the quarry a few years ago causing a landslide and several people had to leave their homes on Chesterfield Rd

Perhaps if Adrian Ponsford or his fellow directors was to read these posts then he may want to give his official version and also offer to meet with us.

i remember at least one occasion where there was a landslip into the back gardens of the terraced houses on the quarry side of chesterfield road.

That incident I remember must have been in the region of 25 years ago.

PT

The houses on Chesterfield Road just up from the quarry are not safe in some cases, not that they are going to fall down apparently but several were sold way below market price as they are liable to subsidence and land slippage and can't therefore get a mortage. Some of the gardens which have a fifteenfoot retaining wall holding the hill back don't look so safe as the wall has been shored up with wood, who fancies a house with several tons of earth threatening to bury the rear of it?

Quarry stone - My geology is very basic, so I'm willing to be wrong. I haven't actually looked too closely, lol.

Planning permission - It would appear that planning permission was sought and granted around twenty years ago - from what I can tell this means that they do not need to re-submit or even notify local residents of any plans to build.

Wildlife garden - Site workers are describing extremely detailed plans for housing and a medical centre, so I'm not holding too much hope for a reprieve unless the ground can be proved unstable. Sounds like there are a few of us who might be interested in setting up a group to look at setting up a wildlife area.

Right of way - I will try to check this out today, but I believe we have used the quarry as access to Woodseats and Derbyshire Lane for long enough for it to be designated a right of way if we are quick enough - otherwise my neighbour is planning to make his own access through the new gardens, lol.

Mr Ponsford - shall we all write separately, or get together and draft a letter?

Cosy

Nicely said Wallbuilder, a little park thing or whatever, to sit down and all... Like Sheffield seems to like to do: there is the place and now is the time.
I live down the road fromthere, I'd be a bit peeeeeeed off at the thought of yet more houses... With that supermarket project glooming over Arnold Leaver already !

Originally posted by cosywolf

Planning permission - It would appear that planning permission was sought and granted around twenty years ago - from what I can tell this means that they do not need to re-submit or even notify local residents of any plans to build.


Re: "It would appear"
Can you clarify, please.
Have you spoken to Planning (273 4215)?

I have just spoken to them but as I don't know the street address (see above) I cannot get a specific answer as to your site.
If you give me the names of the surrounding streets, and access road. I can follow up for you.

Could this (http://libplugins.sheffield.gov.uk/planning/details.asp?id=7147) be it? Athough this application is by the council. ("Land adjacent to 1 Hackthorn Road And Scarsdale Road")

If they are the landowners, they are entitled to carry out some exploratory work (eg test drilling) in order to prepare plans which may be all that is going on.


Facts:
Outline planning permission only has a validity of 3 years after which it must either be renewed or detailed application submitted.
The subsequent approved, detailed plans then have validity for a further 2 years.
If it lapses, they have to re-apply.

I've just had a chat to the planning department, the girl was a bit difficult as I didn't have a house number although I mentioned Derbyshire Lane and Scarsdale road quite a bit. However when she took the time to look for plans for building work on Derbyshire lane she found nothing. I queried her on time limit to plans and she agreed it was a five year limit and then plans would have to be re-submitted. Any actual building work should be clearly advertised with forms on surrounding lamp posts and any properties adjacent to the land should of been notified. The land owner is perfectly entitled to prepare land for whatever purpose so maybe that is what they are up to and hope that the building plans will then get passed without much difficulty.

I nipped out for a look.

They appear to have drilled and taken test cores on two possible building plots.
I would describe one as "Land off Derbyshire Lane, adjacent to Scarsdale Road" and the other could be either "Newsham Road" or "Meersbrook Avenue" with access being from Newsham Road.

So it will be necessary to keep checking the planning lists for
Derbyshire Lane.
Newsham Road
Meersbrook Avenue
and to be on the safe side, Scarsdale Road.

As confirmed by Wallbuilder, there is neither application nor granted permission for the sites at present.

The sites are classified as "housing" (as opposed to "Open Space" etc.) in the current Unitary Development Plan (UDP) and succesful objection through the planning process to any application could be difficult.

With regard to claiming right-of-way.
Even if a right of way were to be granted (after a long process) a developer could apply for permission to re-route around new building.
It is possible for the area to be designated as "Village/Town Green" over which recreational pursuits have been enjoyed "as of right".
The critical elements are that a significant number of people must have enjoyed using the site for more than 20 years, that they have never been "granted permission" for access and that they have never been stopped from this access (and this can include notices).

Fab, it had occurred to me that I had not searched for the right kind of planning permission - that I should have been looking for re-submissions. But I am at work and haven't got time. Sounds like there hasn't been any. The info that there was 20 years ago came from a neighbour who has been on the road for over thirty years, so I thought he must remember something. Looks like he was mistaken.

We are checking into the right of way situation here at work, when we can find a moment. But maybe we should be looking into the village green option, as on the surface, we meet every one of those requirements...

I was up there at lunchtime, and I can just about fit 2 houses in by our road (Meersbrook Ave) and Newsham, I can't for the life of me fit in a medical centre!!! LOL...makes me wonder if the guy up there was having us on. Tell you what, tho, he left quite a mess - blue papertowels, a bucket, tool packaging, some kind of white bagging material...wonder if he's trying to work up the ridiculous 'dumping' theory.

I guess it's time to write to Mr Ponsford and ask for a clarification of plans...and ask him to give his contractors a kick up the butt for their messiness.

Cosy

Cosy

You're unlikely to be successful with a village green, the legal costs alone would be extraordinary. Go down the route of local nature reserve as these also have special protection. As previously advised get someone like Sorby Natural History involved and get it done now, don't wait for the planning application.

Cheers

Local nature reserve implies requesting landowner to contribute. - Possible.

Village Green rights are implicit. It is unfortunate that the name of these rights is "Village Green" as it can give the wrong impression. It is registration of the past recreational use of the land in order to help avoid that use being halted.
Legal costs will only come in if the history of access is not clear cut and you want to use a lawyer to fight objections from the landowner.
Costs will be incurred in preparing all the necessary evidence & documentation but they are not prohibitive.
There is a specific procedure to be followed and if all your ducks are in a row, the council will have to agree.
I do feel, however, that if you wish to investigate this further, discussion here could be counter-productive.
Feel free send me a Personal Message if I can be of further assistance.

Originally posted by cgksheff
Local nature reserve implies requesting landowner to contribute. - Possible.

Village Green rights are implicit. It is unfortunate that the name of these rights is "Village Green" as it can give the wrong impression. It is registration of the past recreational use of the land in order to help avoid that use being halted.
Legal costs will only come in if the history of access is not clear cut and you want to use a lawyer to fight objections from the landowner.
Costs will be incurred in preparing all the necessary evidence & documentation but they are not prohibitive.
There is a specific procedure to be followed and if all your ducks are in a row, the council will have to agree.
I do feel, however, that if you wish to investigate this further, discussion here could be counter-productive.
Feel free send me a Personal Message if I can be of further assistance.

I think this could be a useful thread for those of us who are interested in keeping up to date on what is happening, and letting others know what we have found out.
I don't think I will be able to chase this around on my own. As well as working full time, I am getting fairly heavily pregnant, and am also trying to find room in our teensy house for one more person...not as easy as it sounds when your husband refuses to throw anything away:rolleyes: .
However, whenever I know stuff, I will post here.
It would be nice, I think, to meet all these people who live so nearby and who use the same spaces I do - sounds like there are quite a lot of us, and we could probably make a difference if we put our heads together.

Cosy;)

As somebody who lives on Meersbrook Avenue, can I just put my hand up and say I couldn't really care less what they're doing up there? If the land is owned by Mr Ponsford then whatever he chooses to do with it is his business (as long as he goes through all the correct planning procedures etc. obviously).

I just don't really see what all the fuss is about. Am I missing something??? :help:

Originally posted by Fantomas
As somebody who lives on Meersbrook Avenue, can I just put my hand up and say I couldn't really care less what they're doing up there? If the land is owned by Mr Ponsford then whatever he chooses to do with it is his business (as long as he goes through all the correct planning procedures etc. obviously).

I just don't really see what all the fuss is about. Am I missing something??? :help:

Fairy snuffles, we can't all care. I take it you don't use the quarry at all...I walk the dog up there 4 times a day, use it as a shortcut to Woodseats, and occassionally even dare to pop my head in at the Cross Scythes, so I enjoy having it there. Also, I live at the top of the Avenue...if I lived any lower down, I might use Woodbank Crescent as my local green space instead...and if I wasn't so lazy I might even use Meersbrook Park, lol.
Cosy

Fair enough - I'm about halfway down Meersbrook Avenue, I've never even been up and had a wander around the quarry. I just might go and have a nosy round now tho!

Originally posted by Fantomas
Fair enough - I'm about halfway down Meersbrook Avenue, I've never even been up and had a wander around the quarry. I just might go and have a nosy round now tho!

That's because you have to be very motivated to get up the hill, lol. Sometimes I just look up it in the morning and wish the dog would take herself for a walk:P
But at least we'll never flood...:D

Cosy

Some of you may like to know that when we first moved up here, in 1981 there was a lovely old lady who lived at the bottom of Newsham road ( her son sang in the clubs as Elvis ). She used to come up to the top and we always chatted to her and she told us about an air survey that was once done up here. Apparantly the air that blows here is as clean as Blackpool ( now I don't know if that is good or bad but it sounds good ) We have fantastic views from all our windows, we can see the peacock at Owler Bar from the front, a great view of the city from the attic and Norfolk park from the back. It would be a shame to lose these but what's more important is free access to roam like we have, for the last 23 years. We used to take a short cut down the quarry onto Chesterfield road ( where the homebase is now ) and this was a lovely walk to take the kids. now look what we have, 2 modern eye sores !

We have foxes, owls, kestrels, bats etc.

There is a tree presevervation order # 808/321 issued 10/3/2003 on the trees and Adrian Ponsford applied to prune a tree last year.

All this may be useful info but we must not lose interest in keeping the pressure on.

Nigel & Kath

http://www.littlemesters.com/FacingWest.jpg

Has anyone else heard anymore about the proposed buildings on the quarry,? A man who lives on Derbyshire Lane stopped my husband today to say that there are 3 blocks of flats to be built on or near the quarry, Newsham road was mentioned, an earlier post mentioned flats, can this be true?

Not sure of the quarry , but I can tell you of at least one building project in the same area - Norton Lees Parish Hall (at the bottom of Crawford Road) has been sold for flats .

The St Pauls Players did their last show there last Saturday , and are now looking for a new home....

Has anyone heard of any news since the last post ? Thought I would post this to keep it high profile. Some residents may not know of these postings so any ideas of how to involve everybody local would be welcome. Flyers etc etc.

A man who lives on Derbyshire lane, stopped my husband yesterday and told him that there were to be 3 blocks of flats to be built on and around the quarry,Newsham road was also mentioned. Also although this is off topic,it seems that there are quite a few of us living around the quarry, can anyone tell me if they've had trouble with rats,one of my neighbours has been having loads of trouble, and she's had a man from the council once, but she's sent for him again as they haven't all been destroyed.

I always understood that the cottages at the top of the quarry were knocked down years ago because of wind damage. You can still see gateposts and old walls at the top there.

I have had a look on picture sheffield, but can't find them, I might have seen something about it in one of the many local history books I have.

I would imagine that cottages which were up there for decades which succombed to wind, not subsidence, would mean that unfortunately modern bulding methods would have no problems, with building up there. I wouldn't want to hang any washing out though!
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Just found them in the Norton Book

It says :-
They were perched somewhat precariously above the quarry and were so badly damaged in the storm of 1962 that they were demolished shortly afterwards. Two families lived there then, the Paramores in one of them.

The pic shows what looks like 3 old style cottages joined together right up against the top of derbyshire lane with it's junction of scarsdale. And you can see both roadsigns screwed to adjacent walls of the end bit. Behind the houses are 2 enormous mature trees, possibly sycamores.
On the scarsdale road wall of the house which looks like it could be only around 10 feet wide, there is a poster site with a kellogs poster on there.
And at this corner of the cottage, which looks like a very old extension there is a modern concrete street lamp, which might even still be there today?

Have just been on a wasted trip to town and back so I thought I'd pop up and look at the top of the quarry. The strip is at least 12 feet across and therefore within the bounds of modern greedy property developers to build there. Although I for one wouldn't want to live there.
If you consider the north bay at scarborough, up near the castle, there are loads of buildings which seem to be clinging high up a cliff like that, and they've been there for generations.

At the southern tip of the quarry however, there is a groin which is full of younger trees. I could imagine that area being much more convenient and less technically difficult to build on. especially if there is a good access made to it.

Ooo, thanks for the intersting facts about the cottages...I'll have a look tomorrow if I can drag myself that far up, lol.

There's been no further work or word...though we do need to keep an eye on the planning apps, as that will have to be the next move.

Strange that at the same time, our ground rent has suddenly appeared, having been sold on by the previous owner. Who, incidentally, I always thought was Ponsford. The land beneath us is rumbling, lol.

I got the chance to amble round the top of the quarry from Woodbank Cresent to Scarsdale Road. Absolutely no sign of anything happening now and no printed signs on the posts or by the gates at the Scarsdale end. The footpath running up the sidw of the quarry though is still closed off, maybe some one had a heart attack coming up there and so the council have had to close it for helth reasons, the walk up from Meersbrook park to the quarry top was quite bad enough.

They're up there again this morning, this time with litter pickers (good) and chainsaws (less good).
I hope they're not cutting too much down, I'd hate to lose watching the bluetits play in the bushes every morning and listening to the birds that yell 'teacher, teacher, teacher, teach' (sorry - no good with bird calls, lol).
Still no signs about intentions. Anyone got time to check the planning register again?

Cosy

Well here it is, letter received this morn for outline planning permission. If you care to walk to the top of the quarry we have posted the plans for all to see.

They plan to erect at least 5 new dwellings each with a garage. The top of meersbrook ave will be excavated to accomodate a large entrance to both the 2 houses at the top of Newsham and the two at the top of Meersbrook.

Objections must be raised within the next 14 days, they must be with the council by 1st April.

Any help on this issue would be appreciated by anyone who has the necessary skills and knowledge.

You could always try phoning Planning Aid's advice line which is open on Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Fridays on 0870 850 9809.

A lot will depend on what the area is designated for the the councils Urban Development Programme (or something similar). If designated for housing I wouldn't think you've got much chance.

A few years ago somebody planned to build some houses near us, but as the land wasn't designated for housing the council threw out the planning application.

Unitary Development Plan.........that's what I was thinking of.

Link here;


http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/wps/portal/genpub_DevelopmentPlans?docRef=1103046453506&scope=202&langid=0

Then click proposals map link on left of screen about half way down.

We are local to this area and a resident came around earlier this evening to give details on who to contact at the council to try and stop this development. Apparently we only have until 1st April to appeal.

I will be writing tomorrow to the Planning Dept, Development Control Section, Howden House, 1 Union St, S1 2SH to object. Please, anyone that feels strongly about this should do the same.

The reference number to state is 04/04274/0ut

Don't worry about what the land is designated for in the UDP as it is absolutely full of errors. It is more important to look at the Governments Planning Policy Guidelines to judge whether you have a case. Two sites that can prove very useful are The Planning Portal (http://www.planningportal.gov.uk) and John Prescotts Office (http://www.odpm.gov.uk) .

Hope this is of help

Originally posted by cosywolf
So we have a link of some kind to Mr Ponsford...excellent (rubs hands in glee).

I would like to know when they intend to start keeping residents informed, if they are preparing to build up there at this very moment.

I roam the legth and breadth of the quarry daily...what dumping? A wee bit of green garden waste...the odd plastic bag...I'll happily take a camera up there to prove it if he can't get there himself.

A few of us on Meersbrook Avenue thought it would be nice to have a wildlife area/ trail, with the odd bench up there. We were all set to send out leaflets to see what everyone else around thought, when a variety of lightning bolts struck several of us (not the electric kind, lol, the life-changing circumstances kind) and it all fell to the back of our minds. However, I'm guessing it's a bit late for that now they're up there with machinery.

Any chance you can keep us updated?

Cosy

Hey you live on Meersbrook Ave too? I'm right near the bottom though so it doesnt affect me much

Originally posted by Longcol
A lot will depend on what the area is designated for the the councils Urban Development Programme (or something similar). If designated for housing I wouldn't think you've got much chance.

According to the UDP map the land is designated as a retail park!

basshedz

Right, the first I've heard of the planning permission request is a letter through our door via a local resident. Are they not required by law to post notice so that we can all see and have the chance to object?

I will be writing in and objecting. I'm pretty furious that without someone's sharp eyes they presumably would have been able to just sneak this through...backhanded, sneaky, rotten...

Cosy:rant: :rant: :rant:

originally posted on 27th January
So it will be necessary to keep checking the planning lists for
Derbyshire Lane.
Newsham Road
Meersbrook Avenue

and others did explain at the time that there is no statutory requirement to inform you. Often they do let the immediate neighbours know and they probably put one notice on a lampost somewhere.

The public notification is in a local newspaper, in the weekly lists at Howden House and here. (http://libplugins.sheffield.gov.uk/planning/details.asp?Id=18114&Typ=W)

If you have not seen a copy of the application it is at Howden House, although, as an Outline Application the detailed plans have to be submitted and considered again later.

From what I've just read, there is a legal requirement to notify all neighbours...however, that is most likely for full planning permission, not outline...so I'll take a deep breath, put in my objection now, and wait and see. Hopefully we can cut it off at the pass.
Otherwise, we'll be ready to do the same when it comes to Full PP.

Has anyone noticed, btw, that ever since they came up and did their drilling and put up those signs about dumping, and made some comment about the dumping...the dumping has commenced in earnest? Several of us have noticed it. Where before there was a bit of garden waste and the odd shredded plastic bag in a tree, now there is proper household rubbish...some of it on our side was actually left by the nice core sample man...where is the rest coming from suddenly?
Odd that as soon as Ponsfords start to take notice of the site as potential development land, it conveniently starts to go downhill in looks....

:suspect:

Originally posted by basshedz2
According to the UDP map the land is designated as a retail park!
Maybe objecting to housing isn't such a good idea then?

Cosywolf & other residents

Make sure that you object on valid grounds, that is why it is important to check the PPGs. Objections such as the schools are full or traffic congestion etc will not hold water.

The agents:

Brayshaw Harrison Partnership

3 The Dell
Chesterfield
Derbyshire
Yorkshire & The Humber
S40 4DL

Tel:01246276591

Originally posted by Tony
Maybe objecting to housing isn't such a good idea then?

I'm sorry but basshedz2 is mistaken.
The land is clearly marked "Housing" on the UDP, the retail park being in the bottom of the old quarry.

Don't forget everyone, post your objections ASAP. We posted ours today, please don't leave it until the last minute.
Derbyshire Lane has been informed of the planning applications so that now means Newsham Road, Meersbrook Ave and Woodbank have all had a leaflet.

Funnily enough the residents on Derbyshire Lane know nothing of the plans for the health centre, can't image they will be too impressed as the entrance will be off their road ( 1 way )

I spoke too soon yesterday. We did in fact receive notification from the Council through the post last night.

We will sort our objections out this weekend, I'm sure.

However, I'm still very disturbed by the sudden down turn of the quarry. Looks as though a human has been using it as an outdoor toilet.
I still maintain these things weren't going on before all the planning stuff came about, and I'm not happy. The most we had to deal with before were kids messing about or drinking. Now we have dumping, the road's retaining wall being kicked down, and the whole toilet thing...

:gag:

Cosywolf & other residents

When you have sorted out on what grounds you are going to object my advice would be to phone the planning officer in charge of this application. I have found them to be very helpful and they will let you know if your objections have any grounds. However to enable them to do this you must ask direct questions such as - is this site designated as greenfield etc.

Hope you are successful.

Regards

Originally posted by sanman
Cosywolf & other residents

When you have sorted out on what grounds you are going to object my advice would be to phone the planning officer in charge of this application. I have found them to be very helpful and they will let you know if your objections have any grounds. However to enable them to do this you must ask direct questions such as - is this site designated as greenfield etc.

Hope you are successful.

Regards

Thanks for the advice!

Cosy:thumbsup:

I'm on upper part of meersbrook ave - but had no notification from the council - only flyer that i assume is from local resi. Not at all happy with idea of building houses up there and would want to object, but it looks like my reasons wouldn't be valid ...... it spoils the view, it blocks the cut through to woodseats, its more cars, more people, disruption of builders. Is there any point in objecting? would it be better done collectively rather than individually?

Individual letters are always the best, try and swamp the planners in paper. However many people can't be bothered to write in so it there is a dedicated group who could go house to house back the letters up with a petition.

Hi everybody, just to keep it up there, latest sitrep ( situation report )

We had two people up last week mulling over the quarry top with plans and a tape measure ! I presume that one was from the council and the other from the architects or other !

Rather animated at times so lets hope the council is making it difficult.

I have taken stills of the quarry top should anyone want them sending by email. Just drop me a line to nigel@littlemesters.com

Update on Quarry top. The application is going on the 7th June. The full recommendations can be seen on a word document that I have.

It is posted on the Littlemesters Web Site at the following address.

http://www.littlemesters.com/PlanningPermissionNewshamRd.doc

I can email it to anyone who has problems.

Nigel

http://www.littlemesters.com/PlanningPermissionNewshamRd.doc

So they got the planning permission then. Got my letter a couple of days ago, saying that they'd considered proposal and comments and decided to grant permission ..... subject to a few details. $%&^**!

Has anyone else heard anymore about the proposed buildings on the quarry,? A man who lives on Derbyshire Lane stopped my husband today to say that there are 3 blocks of flats to be built on or near the quarry, Newsham road was mentioned, an earlier post mentioned flats, can this be true?
Definetly happening. The land is owned by Ponsfords and has been sold off to contractors already.Friend of mine tried to buy but was too late!

[PHP][A man who lives on Derbyshire Lane stopped my husband today /PHP]

Did this man offer you a werthers original and left a trail of gold wrappers behind him???

Did he also tell you about a medical centre at the top of the quarry??

Well I can tell you the flats by Pondsfords as stated earlier is true, however the medical centre is not..............

[PHP][A man who lives on Derbyshire Lane stopped my husband today /PHP]

Did this man offer you a werthers original and left a trail of gold wrappers behind him???

Did he also tell you about a medical centre at the top of the quarry??

Well I can tell you the flats by Pondsfords as stated earlier is true, however the medical centre is not..............

Well it's took you a year to come back with your facetious remark,have you a problem? and yes I did know the land was owned by ponsfords and not pondsfords

Sorry I seem to have stirred up an hornets nest. I was only trying to help. Don't know where Twitchers coming from!

Don't worry about it Beejay, I don't recall mentioning a medical center, but if I did, so what? If the twitcher has a problem with my posting he should say so.Thanks anyway Beejay.

Well...........I don't understand your comment about taking me a year to come back and my comment was certainly not meant to be facetious in any way.

The old man I referred to is someone who I know who lives on the lane and has a liking for werthers original sweets..........he is also keen to spread a rumour about a medical centre being built on the quarry.

And I apologise for my wrong spelling to Mr Ponsford.....my mistake........

I think you have taken my posting in the wrong vein I was trying to be informative and not certainly being offensive to anyone! :confused:

I know the man with the werthers originals... Very nice chap too, and a very welcome sight when cycling up Derbyshire Lane at the end of a twelve hour night shift.

Hes's GREAT and a good pal.......I'm glad you know him too!

Ok, thanks Twitcher, sorry if I misunderstood you, never having met anyone giving out Werthers Originals, I couldn't understand what you were meaning,
but hopefully we are om the same wavelength now, but can I ask you a question? Do you remember an oldish man always pushing a bike, it seems a few years since we saw him, and his appearance didn't do him justice, he seemed to be very knowledgeable about most things, do you know who I mean?

I hope we're on the same wavelength!

Did this man have a box on the back of this pushbike which was held with elastic hook things, and was he seen around the chesterfield road area?

This is the only man I can think of with that description......if so I know him well as he lived very close to me before we moved up here.

Hello again,I used to see him at the top of Scarsdale Road, as though he was going home, he looked a bit raggerty and his bike did have bits and bobs on the back, he was quite tall and thin for an oldish guy, but he always came across as quite clever, I have wondered where he's got to thats all, thanks anyway.

The guy I know did look a bit raggerty and unshaven sometimes, he was very clever and was a maths teacher..........I have seen him recently if we're talking abuot the same guy - he is a bit eccentric!

http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=27418&highlight=Meersbrook

Try looking here for more info about building on the quarry. Outline planning permission involved plans for houses, not flats. Full planning permission hasn't been applied for yet - at least, the legally required signs and notification have not gone up.
Hope that helps

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