Its everywhere and theres loads of it thats terrible and i'm officially bored of it

Its everywhere and theres loads of it thats terrible and i'm officially bored of it


:clap: :clap: :clap:

(Presuming you mean the awful Ministry-friendly ThisIsFilthyDirtySexyElectroHouseMixVolume32 type)

Although I'm not bored of it because I've always ****ing hated it.

Two words which should be banned from ever being used together 'dirty' and 'electro'.

Now I'm going to go before I start to get angry.

I hate electro. Well, I pretty much hate everything actually. But electro is generally so painfully bland that it makes me vomit through my eyes.

I hate it too:gag:. It should have had it's day in 2002 and stayed firmly there! My how they are dragging out this weak and insipid, soul-less musical form. And the London journalists and DJ's still rave about it like it's some kind of new thang!:loopy:

No it is not just you.

Its the same with everything- trance was big in the late 90's then it went huge and went ****, then funky house did the same, then electro- its just what happens!!

I'm not bored of electro! :P What I am bored of is everywhere playing cheesy pop.:mad:

I also HATE electro music, its the blandest souless repepative music type there is. The olnly people that like it do so because they are told to like it by people they think are cool.

No-one's ever told me to like it. :huh: Infact most of my mates DON'T like it.

I also HATE electro music, its the blandest souless repepative music type there is. The olnly people that like it do so because they are told to like it by people they think are cool.

Actually- i like it, and no-one has ever told me what to like in my life- i make my own mind up.

I also HATE electro music, its the blandest souless repepative music type there is. The olnly people that like it do so because they are told to like it by people they think are cool.

Haha that made me giggle but I don't agree. I like electro, I just think it's getting more commercialised now and getting a bit dull.

x

dull is an understatement

http://www.pigdog.org/auto/mr_bads_list/shortcolumn/1357.html

What do you like jdgraham? Just wondered x

simon and garfunkel mainly

or acid house jazz

Depends how you define Electro, if you mean the crap that’s crept into house music these days then yes! Its awful and always has been aside from the odd stand out track. The main thing I hate about it is all the cheesy bootlegs that have now been tinged with an ‘electro’ sound, many a good house tracks have been ruined all the way!!

what do you mean by electro? to me it could mean any number of vastly different things...

kraftwerk, the human league, caberet voltaire etc.

or

new rave, indie bands with synths and glowsticks

or

electro house chav fodder that you get on compilations from djs that used to play funky house and ibiza tunes before they fell out of fashion.

or

maybe everything that is'nt oasis/ stone roses indie rock with guitars and real drums...

help me i'm confused :help:

Well I like them all, so it's all good with me. :D

Think the op meant electro house.

x

What I hate the most is when there's a really good track... which gets played too often.... and then a cover is made with some girl warbling all over it and then it is officially ruined :(

What I hate the most is when there's a really good track... which gets played too often.... and then a cover is made with some girl warbling all over it and then it is officially ruined :(


Now that i do argree with that:

I'm a big fan of electro, its like any genre of music. If your really into it know know all about it and here the good side of it, and know where to go.
If you just listen to music when your out and on the radio the terms "dirty" and "electro" get used in the wrong context in bars then i can see people's problems............ Cough Cough Embrace (saw i flyer the other day, i would NOT set foot in that place)

I hate the electro stuff that is played on the radios, and its normally been played in decent clubs 6 months prior to that and now has been wrecked by chavy little lyrics over the top of it.

As it has been mentioned before i like what i like and i choose my own music. When eating a cake, you don't just eat the icing, dig alittle deeper and you mite find something special.

What I hate the most is when there's a really good track... which gets played too often.... and then a cover is made with some girl warbling all over it and then it is officially ruined :(

God yeah Ive lost count of tracks I used to like which were destroyed by ****ty vocals eg Exceeder, Creeps, At night..........

God yeah Ive lost count of tracks I used to like which were destroyed by ****ty vocals eg Exceeder, Creeps, At night..........

Don't mention 'at night' Ben, it makes me sad everytime I think how they ruined it argh :(

I hate R n B, cant stand all the wailing. I just switch off to it.

Don't mention 'at night' Ben, it makes me sad everytime I think how they ruined it argh :(

I know dear it totally blows. Do you remember when we went to see Mason and he dropped Exceeder..... but all those girls were singing 'Im perfect!' along to it! I wanted to slap them. GRRR

I wouldn't call Kraftwerk or Cabaret Voltaire electro. Electronic and perhaps industrial (particularly Cabs), but electro...?

I suppose it's not all bad, but stuff like that Bodyrox/Princess Superstar tripe makes me want to glass people.

I suppose it's not all bad, but stuff like that Bodyrox/Princess Superstar tripe makes me want to glass people.

Thats more pop as far as im concerned... As soon as Hallam FM et al get hold of a track it loses its initial genre and becomes faceless, souless pop music.

I'm amazed. I expected to get a proper slating on this

Disco you opened up a healthy debate (makes a nice change to see eh?)!

I agree with Nimrod about RnB. How many notes can we sing in 5 seconds, and keep that up all the way through this horrible track! That music genre needs to be thrown to the dogs. I might not love Electro, but give me Electro over RnB anyday.:)

^^What's with that weird chipmunk voice they use in RnB all the time now? :huh:

(Sorry, just thought I'd get in on the RnB slating ;))

Thats more pop as far as im concerned... As soon as Hallam FM et al get hold of a track it loses its initial genre and becomes faceless, souless pop music.

It was pretty faceless, souless naff before it got played on the radio! I remember hearing that aaaaaages ago without the vocals, long before MTV and radio stations picked up on it, and hated it then. It sounds like he's just discovered Casio's 'my first keyboard' and done some rubbish scaling on it.

I'd just about forgotten Hallam FM and Radio 1 existed, it's been so long since I listened to either of them. What do the kids listen to in the charts these days?

Disco you opened up a healthy debate (makes a nice change to see eh?)!

I agree with Nimrod about RnB. How many notes can we sing in 5 seconds, and keep that up all the way through this horrible track! That music genre needs to be thrown to the dogs. I might not love Electro, but give me Electro over RnB anyday.:)I hate modern R n B as well. As for healthy debate i'm not sure!

Only person who could be deemed an 'electro house' DJ that can hold his head high is Touché, it's so far removed from this watered-down crap we're discussing though. Fez club about 18mths ago (or whenever was, ages ago anyways) he ripped us a new bum each and I loved every second of it, evil house music the likes I've never heard before or since. He actually played 'Put your hands up..' that night and when I heard it on the radio a year later it took me ages to work out why I recognised it.

I nearly cried when I heard 'The Creeps' with a vocal, I've loved The Freaks and MFF since day one and love the album the original is from. Couldn't believe it when I heard that Vandal mix bastardised into daytime playlist fodder though. :rant:

Im a regular at harley on their club pony night. I think their is a slightly pretentious stink in the air in general about the scene and the people who follow it. I just like the music and beer selection :)

I know dear it totally blows. Do you remember when we went to see Mason and he dropped Exceeder..... but all those girls were singing 'Im perfect!' along to it! I wanted to slap them. GRRR

*shudder* :gag:

2 topics come to mind here
Firstly we shall start with Electro. In my eyes there will only be one style that is Electro and that is mid 80's Electro funk (Zapp, Midnight Star, O'bryan, Parliament, Shannon etc) or Hip Hop (Hashim, Cybotron, Newcleus, Bambaataa.)
Everything else is just digital carbon copied sounds that is just crap. Electro house is practical 1 in 50 tracks and the majority of it sucks big time. I may as well get out my early detroit techno and jackin tracks as they have more creativity than most of the electro house stuff now and they were done on early crappy sequencers.

R&B is a funny one. Unfortunately I think of R&B as soul pop now and nothing else but black pop music. The word R&B is bastardised into a money making pop machine in which a lot of black artists now can be blessed and get paid for a change, as back in the day when the music was cool, alot of them were ripped off.
Underground R&B (Erykah Badu, Jill Scott, Tony Tone Tone, Babyface) unfortunately can not be dissed. It is toooo cool. Unfortunately a lot of forumers are not exposed to it. So please people when your dissing, keep it real. I love house music but there is still a lot of crap in it like everything else. I love R&B but there is still a lot of crap in it. I love Hip Hop but there is a lot of crap in it. I wont let the crap influence my taste in music, as its all about the quality.
Its funny though how so many sexy girls love R&B as oppose to House, nowadays. I mean so manyyyyyyyy
I hate Trance however and only love deep house and real house music, not the Freemason crap. DJ Spen stuff...

I'm amazed. I expected to get a proper slating on this

Lets face it, electro had a lot of the bandwagon masses who jump from music to music, depending on the trend at that time leap right on its arse and milk it.

Most of the electro bandwagon are ex crasher kids.

I believe the reason you are not getting slated is because electro is on its last legs so the band wagon masses are probably afraid to be associated with it, as they were with gatecrasher when it died.

Whats next for the band wagon masses ? Dirty Breaks ? halal house or some stupid ass made up name to conceal the same souless **** that is churned around ?

Booooooooooom !!!

2 topics come to mind here
Firstly we shall start with Electro. In my eyes there will only be one style that is Electro and that is mid 80's Electro funk (Zapp, Midnight Star, O'bryan, Parliament, Shannon etc) or Hip Hop (Hashim, Cybotron, Newcleus, Bambaataa.)
Everything else is just digital carbon copied sounds that is just crap. Electro house is practical 1 in 50 tracks and the majority of it sucks big time. I may as well get out my early detroit techno and jackin tracks as they have more creativity than most of the electro house stuff now and they were done on early crappy sequencers.

R&B is a funny one. Unfortunately I think of R&B as soul pop now and nothing else but black pop music. The word R&B is bastardised into a money making pop machine in which a lot of black artists now can be blessed and get paid for a change, as back in the day when the music was cool, alot of them were ripped off.
Underground R&B (Erykah Badu, Jill Scott, Tony Tone Tone, Babyface) unfortunately can not be dissed. It is toooo cool. Unfortunately a lot of forumers are not exposed to it. So please people when your dissing, keep it real. I love house music but there is still a lot of crap in it like everything else. I love R&B but there is still a lot of crap in it. I love Hip Hop but there is a lot of crap in it. I wont let the crap influence my taste in music, as its all about the quality.
Its funny though how so many sexy girls love R&B as oppose to House, nowadays. I mean so manyyyyyyyy
I hate Trance however and only love deep house and real house music, not the Freemason crap. DJ Spen stuff...


DEEPHOUSE, good man.

Check out phuture boogie at the fez, 16th November if you are into that scene.

House music along the lines of karizma, miguel migs, joey youngman, jt donaldson, kerri chandler etc.

www.myspace.com/phuture_boogie.

And, yes, this is shameless self promotion.

:help::confused::hihi:

DMX Krew has done some decent electro. There's some great mixes of his floating around, some you can get from his website (http://www.dmxkrew.com/).

Overall though I guess I'm just not much of a fan of the genre.

Deep house, tech house, electro house, my house is better than your house. What is going on?

Since the early 90's there's been a real need to pigeon hole everything and everyone associated with the house music scene. When I started getting into the scene in about 87 you either listened to house or techno. The only real difference was in the bpm. There were electronically tinged house tracks and also some quite soulful techno. I remember mixmag printing an article about 'style tribes' in about 94. Basically it said you could spot people's musical interests by the way they dressed. According to mixmag I would have been a junglist/crusty/glam/casual depending on which day of the week it was. At this point you could see the way things were going. From then on the splits became even more diverse. Just take a look at the list of genres now on beatport, it's enough to make you go dizzy and actually makes finding a good tune nigh on impossible.

I've got tunes from possibly every genre of dance music there is out there at the moment. I hate the terms 'funky house' and 'electro house' if a tune isn't funky or electronic then it's probably not house music. These are terms coined to sell dance orientated pop music to the masses. As it all continues I find myself pushed more and more twoards 'proper' techno as it's probably the only true 'underground' genre that exists at the moment. I don't mean Sven Vath's 'sexy' techno for the ibiza masses I mean proper Detroit/Jeff Mills/Underground resistance tackle.

I think the one thing that summed it all up for me was a couple of weeks ago at the Warehouse project. Francois K was just coming to the end of his set. He'd played at around 134bpm all night then at the end he drops one of the most awesome gospel acapellas you've ever heard. All these people are going round in pure amazement saying 'how good is this, Ive never heard anything like it before'. My point is, that's what DJ's used to do before they had to fit in a pigeon hole to get booked. All the American guys used to veer from proper head down chicago beats to full on vocal/gospel in the space of 2 hours. No one ever tried to pigeon hole them.

Phew. Cue the abuse.

Deep house, tech house, electro house, my house is better than your house. What is going on?

Since the early 90's there's been a real need to pigeon hole everything and everyone associated with the house music scene. When I started getting into the scene in about 87 you either listened to house or techno. The only real difference was in the bpm. There were electronically tinged house tracks and also some quite soulful techno. I remember mixmag printing an article about 'style tribes' in about 94. Basically it said you could spot people's musical interests by the way they dressed. According to mixmag I would have been a junglist/crusty/glam/casual depending on which day of the week it was. At this point you could see the way things were going. From then on the splits became even more diverse. Just take a look at the list of genres now on beatport, it's enough to make you go dizzy and actually makes finding a good tune nigh on impossible.

I've got tunes from possibly ever genre of dance music there is out there at the moment. I hate the terms 'funky house' and 'electro house' if a tune isn't funky or electronic then it's probably not house music. These are terms coined to sell dance orientated pop music to the masses. As it all continues I find myself pushed more and more twoards 'proper' techno as it's probably the only true 'underground' genre that exists at the moment. I don't mean Sven Vath's 'sexy' techno for the ibiza masses I mean proper Detroit/Jeff Mills/Underground resistance tackle.

I think the one thing that summed it all up for me was a couple of weeks ago at the Warehouse project. Francois K was just coming to the end of his set. He'd played at around 134bpm all night then at the end he drops one of the most awesome gospel acapellas you've ever heard. All these people are going round in pure amazement saying 'how good is this, Ive never heard anything like it before'. My point is, that's what DJ's used to do before they had to fit in a pigeon hole to get booked. All the American guys used to veer from proper head down chicago beats to full on vocal/gospel in the space of 2 hours. No one ever tried to pigeon hole them.

Phew. Cue the abuse.

Well said :thumbsup:

2 topics come to mind here
Firstly we shall start with Electro. In my eyes there will only be one style that is Electro and that is mid 80's Electro funk (Zapp, Midnight Star, O'bryan, Parliament, Shannon etc) or Hip Hop (Hashim, Cybotron, Newcleus, Bambaataa.)

Word!

I have to admit, the last time I went out, I was invited to an "Electro" night... So, thinking it was an old school night, I got my old Adidas tracksuit out (back of the wardrobe), shelltoes, etc. All pumped up hoping they'll be some other B-Boys (and Fly girls) in the house, reminiscing about one nation under a groove, y'know, doing a bit of uprockin', breakdancin', lockin' and shockin', etc.

I've never felt so cheated! (Maybe I need to quit living in the past, but what DJ4321gsr mentioned is my history too!)

Come back Mike Allen's Radio show - National Fresh Hip Hop Show :(

Btw - WYEXILE - Well said. :)

Electro 9 was the best...

Doug e fresh & the get fresh crew - the show
Bad boys featuring k love - bad boys
D st - the home of hip hop
Kid frost - terminator
The world class wreckin cru - world class
Mantronik - needle to the groove
Fat boys - the fat boys are back
Rock master scott & the dynamic three - the roof is on fire

... Mantronik is my personal fave.

Then there was

CRUCIAL ELECTRO

Tyrone Brunson - The Smurf

Warp 9 - Light Years Away

Warp 9 - Nunk (New Wave Funk)

Man Parrish - Hip Hop, Be Bop (Don't Stop)

Herbie Hancock - Rockit

Twilight 22 - Electric Kingdom

Cybotron - Clear

Hashim - Al-Naafiysh (The Soul)

Captain Rock - Return Of Captain Rock

Time Zone - Wild Style

what do you mean by electro? to me it could mean any number of vastly different things...

kraftwerk, the human league, caberet voltaire etc.

or

new rave, indie bands with synths and glowsticks

or

electro house chav fodder that you get on compilations from djs that used to play funky house and ibiza tunes before they fell out of fashion.

or

maybe everything that is'nt oasis/ stone roses indie rock with guitars and real drums...

help me i'm confused :help:

I think he means option 3....

I quite like that Born Slippy mix thats been doing the rounds lately mind, Dave Spoon - At Night and the Touche mix of Dance I said STILL get me going, but I realise they are the biggest of all electro anthems, and have been around for 18 months or so.

I reckon house with trance tinged elements will be the next big thing.

I think he means option 3....

I quite like that Born Slippy mix thats been doing the rounds lately mind, Dave Spoon - At Night and the Touche mix of Dance I said STILL get me going, but I realise they are the biggest of all electro anthems, and have been around for 18 months or so.

I reckon house with trance tinged elements will be the next big thing.

Isn't that what they would currently call 'progressive' house?

Isn't that what they would currently call 'progressive' house?

Which brings us back full circle then because the prog scene as it was (Sasha & Digweed, Dave Seaman, Renaissance, Bedrock, Space etc...) died a death about 4 years ago when everybody decided to jump on the electro bandwagon. I always knew it would make a comeback and so it has proved. Only now it has more of a tech/electro house feel to it.

So now I think you can call it progressive-electrotech-trance... house.

I'm confused! :gag:

And round and round it goes.........

At the end of the day there is a finite number of sounds and beats you can make in a studio so every new genre is just a reinvention of a previous one. I bet you could play two hours of tunes from say 88 to 93 and 90% of people would have no idea. Even acid has had a bit of a revival over the past year or two (not that it ever went away in my opinion).

Which brings us back full circle then because the prog scene as it was (Sasha & Digweed, Dave Seaman, Renaissance, Bedrock, Space etc...) died a death about 4 years ago when everybody decided to jump on the electro bandwagon. I always knew it would make a comeback and so it has proved. Only now it has more of a tech/electro house feel to it.

So now I think you can call it progressive-electrotech-trance... house.

I'm confused! :gag:

Me too Smithster:shocked:! I stepped back from the computer many posts ago and let the big boys duke it out. It's really interesting reading though. Never thought I'd see 'Midnight Starr' and 'Babyface' mentioned here (what about 'Starpoint' anyone?). Definitely agree that those were the true RnB days.

I love genres within genres, but agree they can be self-defeating.

*Steps further back from the computer:wow:*

But then any RnB purist would argue that true Rhythm and Blues originated around the late 40's/early 50's then really took off when it went mainstream (and white) in the 60's with bands such as the Rolling Stones, The Animals, The Yardbirds etc.

See what I mean? Each generation thinks it's invented the latest thing but any current genre can be traced way back to find its original roots.

For the benefit of Steve DD, house music is basically electronic disco.

I dont think I do mean progressive house to be honest. When I say trance tinged house I'm thinking of tunes like Red Carpet- Alright and Supermode - tell me why. I reckon that soundmaybe big in 2008.

Its everywhere and theres loads of it thats terrible and i'm officially bored of it

most of it's pretty tame compared to proper electro house

I love it! I've started a thread where there are people actually discussing calmly and rationally their likes and dislikes. Everyones being adult and reasonable. We are almost one nation under a groove!

All the people i expected to contribute have done and i'm pleased about it. I'm also chuffed that in the main people agree with me.

In my opinion electro is going the same way as disco and we know what happened there as the great George Clinton said when asked about disco "the problem started when they narrowed it down to one sound, one groove. Try making love using one stroke. Talk about get on your nerve!" Essentially electro is too samey samey and getting dull because of it

P.S. Wyexile - i know what house is!

Deep house, tech house, electro house, my house is better than your house. What is going on?

Since the early 90's there's been a real need to pigeon hole everything and everyone associated with the house music scene. When I started getting into the scene in about 87 you either listened to house or techno. The only real difference was in the bpm. There were electronically tinged house tracks and also some quite soulful techno. I remember mixmag printing an article about 'style tribes' in about 94. Basically it said you could spot people's musical interests by the way they dressed. According to mixmag I would have been a junglist/crusty/glam/casual depending on which day of the week it was. At this point you could see the way things were going. From then on the splits became even more diverse. Just take a look at the list of genres now on beatport, it's enough to make you go dizzy and actually makes finding a good tune nigh on impossible.

I've got tunes from possibly every genre of dance music there is out there at the moment. I hate the terms 'funky house' and 'electro house' if a tune isn't funky or electronic then it's probably not house music. These are terms coined to sell dance orientated pop music to the masses. As it all continues I find myself pushed more and more twoards 'proper' techno as it's probably the only true 'underground' genre that exists at the moment. I don't mean Sven Vath's 'sexy' techno for the ibiza masses I mean proper Detroit/Jeff Mills/Underground resistance tackle.

I think the one thing that summed it all up for me was a couple of weeks ago at the Warehouse project. Francois K was just coming to the end of his set. He'd played at around 134bpm all night then at the end he drops one of the most awesome gospel acapellas you've ever heard. All these people are going round in pure amazement saying 'how good is this, Ive never heard anything like it before'. My point is, that's what DJ's used to do before they had to fit in a pigeon hole to get booked. All the American guys used to veer from proper head down chicago beats to full on vocal/gospel in the space of 2 hours. No one ever tried to pigeon hole them.

Phew. Cue the abuse.Possibly your best post ever

I love it! I've started a thread where there are people actually discussing calmly and rationally their likes and dislikes. Everyones being adult and reasonable. We are almost one nation under a groove!

All the people i expected to contribute have done and i'm pleased about it. I'm also chuffed that in the main people agree with me.

In my opinion electro is going the same way as disco and we know what happened there as the great George Clinton said when asked about disco "the problem started when they narrowed it down to one sound, one groove. Try making love using one stroke. Talk about get on your nerve!" Essentially electro is too samey samey and getting dull because of it

P.S. Wyexile - i know what house is!

I know, I was quoting you. I thought your ego might enjoy it.

I know, I was quoting you. I thought your ego might enjoy it.You should know by now I have no ego!

Me too Smithster:shocked:! I stepped back from the computer many posts ago and let the big boys duke it out. It's really interesting reading though. Never thought I'd see 'Midnight Starr' and 'Babyface' mentioned here (what about 'Starpoint' anyone?). Definitely agree that those were the true RnB days.

I love genres within genres, but agree they can be self-defeating.

*Steps further back from the computer:wow:*

If you appear for the Secret Soul Sessions on Friday Ill play Starpoint!

Deep house, tech house, electro house, my house is better than your house. What is going on?

Since the early 90's there's been a real need to pigeon hole everything and everyone associated with the house music scene. When I started getting into the scene in about 87 you either listened to house or techno. The only real difference was in the bpm. There were electronically tinged house tracks and also some quite soulful techno. I remember mixmag printing an article about 'style tribes' in about 94. Basically it said you could spot people's musical interests by the way they dressed. According to mixmag I would have been a junglist/crusty/glam/casual depending on which day of the week it was. At this point you could see the way things were going. From then on the splits became even more diverse. Just take a look at the list of genres now on beatport, it's enough to make you go dizzy and actually makes finding a good tune nigh on impossible.

I've got tunes from possibly every genre of dance music there is out there at the moment. I hate the terms 'funky house' and 'electro house' if a tune isn't funky or electronic then it's probably not house music. These are terms coined to sell dance orientated pop music to the masses. As it all continues I find myself pushed more and more twoards 'proper' techno as it's probably the only true 'underground' genre that exists at the moment. I don't mean Sven Vath's 'sexy' techno for the ibiza masses I mean proper Detroit/Jeff Mills/Underground resistance tackle.

I think the one thing that summed it all up for me was a couple of weeks ago at the Warehouse project. Francois K was just coming to the end of his set. He'd played at around 134bpm all night then at the end he drops one of the most awesome gospel acapellas you've ever heard. All these people are going round in pure amazement saying 'how good is this, Ive never heard anything like it before'. My point is, that's what DJ's used to do before they had to fit in a pigeon hole to get booked. All the American guys used to veer from proper head down chicago beats to full on vocal/gospel in the space of 2 hours. No one ever tried to pigeon hole them.

Phew. Cue the abuse.

Wow that saved me a lot of typing!!!!!

Just a couple of points. Music can be very much about a time and a place.
Sometimes you walk into a club and get swallowed up by the atmosphere and a track just works for that moment.... for example...My Washing Machine in Space Ibiza . I aint a big fan but Minimal just works there and I was jumping..LOL

As for our little event ...yes we play electro at DQ because as a house event its relevant to what we do and to be quite honest if we played more soulful or deeper we wouldnt have an event to talk about. There just aint the numbers out there. Needless to say when house music develops another sub genre Hustle will very possibly embrace and support that too.

Just a couple of points. Music can be very much about a time and a place.
Sometimes you walk into a club and get swallowed up by the atmosphere and a track just works for that moment.... for example...My Washing Machine in Space Ibiza . I aint a big fan but Minimal just works there and I was jumping..LOL



You're so right, there are loooooads of songs which I LOVE when they come on in a club but it's just not the same when I listen to it at home!

Plus music changes all the time, as does our taste in music. There are some songs now that are just full of bleeps which I love but a year or so ago it'd have driven me mad BECAUSE it was full of bleeps and I would have needed some words.

I judge the quality of a tune on whether it makes me smile or not.

You don't like Coldplay then ;)

Forgot to add.
Needless to say there will be a fair bit of electro played at Hustle on Friday night...

You don't like Coldplay then ;)

I find Chris Martin quite painful to be honest.

Does anywhere in Sheffield play old house and techno, I loved Techno City @ Occasions and still love the stuff they used to play there?

There are really only two kinds of music.

Stuff you like and stuff you don't

I find Chris Martin quite painful to be honest.

I was being sarcastic x

There are really only two kinds of music.

Stuff you like and stuff you don't


Amen to that disco.:thumbsup:

I was being sarcastic x

I know, but I just needed to get that off my chest

There are really only two kinds of music.

Stuff you like and stuff you don't


spot on, i like what i like, despite what genre it may fall in, the only downfall to this is my bank balance

Probably a bit OT but I've been meaning to post this up here for a while. For anyone who wants the ultimate education in house music check out this website

http://www.deephousepage.com

More classic house/disco/techno than you can shake stick at.

I wants acid house...... :banana::banana::banana:

Funky,Dirty,Sexy,Driving,Uplifting... whhooops i seemed to have been sick on myself, please some pass me the cleanex

Ba Ba Ba....Ba BabyBell

Electro house is just the new Funky house in a shiny silver package and it just seems to be remix after remix of what were good tunes into something ****. Where's the originality? For example that Born Slippy remix (the one I've heard anyway) just takes a big slab from the original tune which is incidentally the bit of the tune everyone goes mental too and then just returns to some poor house track.
It's a shame really cos I'm sure that people who go to these nights would enjoy higher quality house music. Anyway that's my thoughts on it, but there are people who love it and have have great time so good luck to them.

Apparently the new album by Goldfrapp will be 'folk music' inspireded, harps etc.

If pop pioneers of these sounds are moving on then it tends to agree with this thread.

I'm looking forward to the Chemical Brothers new Country and Western album too.

Seems Samim and his infernal accordion inspired 'Heater' may have been way ahead of the game.

Its everywhere and theres loads of it thats terrible and i'm officially bored of it

do freemasons and fedde le grand fall into this category dd.....cause i'm still lovin lovin lovin it dude! :love:

They're two of the worst culprits, yes.

Yeah, freemasons and fedde le grand are counted as 'electro'. That's the kind of electro I think most people on here are complaining about (as opposed to proper 'underground', or whatever)

do freemasons and fedde le grand fall into this category dd.....cause i'm still lovin lovin lovin it dude! :love:

Ay up Sol, wondered how long til you joined in the debate! :)

Faux funky house ****** IMO, I'm afraid, radio-friendly tripe for the Hallam generation. Soz :) Hate to generalise but it just reminds me of poncy fashion boys with 3 haircuts, t-shirt and scarf, fake tan and a Lizzy Duke diamond-ette stud in their ear. Oh and not forgetting this season's must-have accessory for all the sheep out there - the Jesus Rocks belt from All Saints. And a copy of 'This is sexy Electro - the greatest hits' ;)


Whooooaaaaaagh! LETS 'AVE IT!!!!!!!! :gag:

Here ya go kids - there is really only one electro sound

Yorkshire Bleeps and Bass

Yorkshire Bleeps and Bass (Yorkshire Techno) was a short-lived (1989-1991) local musical movement in the cities of Sheffield, Leeds and Bradford in the UK.



Characteristics
The sound was characterised by harsh, funky minimalism, speaker-breaking sub-bass and electronic bleeps or other futuristic sounds.


Early History
The first record of the genre was "The Theme" by Bradford's Unique 3 in 1989. LFO's "LFO" was released on Sheffield's Warp Records in 1990. Nightmares on Wax next released "Dextrous" on Warp Records in 1990. The label went on to release the club anthem "Testone" by Sweet Exorcist (DJ Parrot, and Richard H. Kirk of Sheffield avant-garde experimentalists Cabaret Voltaire), a track that went on to define the Yorkshire sound, and also the rather silly "Tricky Disco" by Tricky Disco. These were followed by a string of releases on the short-lived Leeds label Bassic Records, including the "Ital's Anthem" by Ital Rockers, a Chapeltown[disambiguation needed] dub reggae band diversifying into techno, and Juno's "Soul Thunder", an understated track now recognised as a techno classic.


Groups
Unique 3
Forgemasters
LFO
Sweet Exorcist
DJ Parrot
Nightmares on Wax
Richard H. Kirk
Ital Rockers
Juno

Releases
The Theme
Track With No Name
LFO
Dextrous
Testone
Clonk
Aftermath/I'm for Real
Tricky Disco
Ital's Anthem
Soul Thunder

Demise
The music scene in England changed, as piano house anthems took over northern clubs and the breakbeat hardcore scene grew in London and the West Midlands.

Bassic Records folded in 1991, taking most of their acts with them. Those who survived changed styles, with Ital Rockers going back to dub reggae and LFO shifting to techno.


Aftermath
It influenced London breakbeat acts such as Shut Up And Dance and The Scientist. It also had some later influence on jungle

That's a nice Wiki description of some great music.

Though it doesn't really describe electro, or electro-house as what this thread really seems to be about.

That's a nice Wiki description of some great music.

Though it doesn't really describe electro, or electro-house as what this thread really seems to be about.

Does this then?

http://www.vinylvulture.co.uk/beats/streetsounds.php

Real electro is closer to hip hop than house. It annoys me all these people going around saying they are into electro, when in fact they mean electro house which is as far away from hip hop as you can get really. I mean hip hop & electro had a gritty, underground, DIY ethos - whereas this new electro house sound is just the new mainstream "chart house" (formerly funky house) and the nights generally seem to be frequented by the types with more concern for their haircuts and expensive clothing than the actual music.

Having said that electro house as a genre started out quite promising, with labels such as Get Physical (MANDY & Booka Shade amongst others) producing some amazing and original tracks. However it quickly got hijacked by the cheese mongers and became something different altogether. Now I get the feeling most of the original "electro house" producers don't really associate themselves with the genre, more with tech house, deep house and minimal - and who can really blame them?

I suppose it's similar to what happened with trance - in the early nineties it was a new, innovative, underground genre - but during the mid nineties became the over-commercialised, formalic nonsense that people associate trance with now.

Does this then?

http://www.vinylvulture.co.uk/beats/streetsounds.php

I'm sure I've seen those records for sale in Virgin (or whatever it's called now), was most suprised.

I think it's fair to say that the term electro has been hijacked to mean 'lowest common denominator electro-influenced house music' though. Owt with a few 80's sounding synths, a couple of Ghostbusters-esque stabs and/or an analogue bass gets tagged with it nowadays.

When I think of 'electro' I think of the old b-boy stuff like Bambaata, Nayfish, Mantronix etc etc, although - but you'd have to tip a nod to their predecessors who pioneered electronic music.

Oh and one word that I don't think has been mentioned yet..KRAFTWERK! By the same token you can't disuss electro without mentioning the godfather Greg Wilson either. http://www.electrofunkroots.co.uk/ Greg's top-notch website for all things electro!


As an aside to this - anyone noticed the posters for Pin Up Club being resurrected at Cellar 35? 'House and Elektro' it says. Discuss....

do freemasons and fedde le grand fall into this category dd.....cause i'm still lovin lovin lovin it dude! :love:Freemasons aren't electro and i won't hear a word said against them. They are really nice guys and (current single aside) their output is way above average in quality.

FLG will forever be known for Put Your Hands Up which is a hateful record but most of his other work especially his more soulful stuff under the Funkerman alias is actually very good

The Pinup thing is actually the name but it isn't the original promoters, venue, night, music policy or DJ's. Make of that what you will

Real electro is closer to hip hop than house. It annoys me all these people going around saying they are into electro, when in fact they mean electro house which is as far away from hip hop as you can get really. I mean hip hop & electro had a gritty, underground, DIY ethos - whereas this new electro house sound is just the new mainstream "chart house" (formerly funky house) and the nights generally seem to be frequented by the types with more concern for their haircuts and expensive clothing than the actual music.

Having said that electro house as a genre started out quite promising, with labels such as Get Physical (MANDY & Booka Shade amongst others) producing some amazing and original tracks. However it quickly got hijacked by the cheese mongers and became something different altogether. Now I get the feeling most of the original "electro house" producers don't really associate themselves with the genre, more with tech house, deep house and minimal - and who can really blame them?

I suppose it's similar to what happened with trance - in the early nineties it was a new, innovative, underground genre - but during the mid nineties became the over-commercialised, formalic nonsense that people associate trance with now.

Nail on head :D

P.S If you do fancy an alternative to all this "Electro House" then come to Muse this Saturday where myself and Will Atkinson will be playing a fine selection of Deep Techy Housey Goodness. ;)

Stuff like: Jimpster, Get Physical, Greenskeepers, Swag, Justin Martin, Claude Von Stroke, John Tejada, Brett Johnson, Worthy, Hipp-E, Miles Maeda, Style of Eye, Chris Duckenfield, Jesse Rose, 2020, DFA, and loads more good house music coming in your ears :D

I suppose it's similar to what happened with trance - in the early nineties it was a new, innovative, underground genre - but during the mid nineties became the over-commercialised, formalic nonsense that people associate trance with now.[/QUOTE]


True Rossian. but trance to me was never innovative. Just Georgio Moroder in the year 2000. Donna Summer - I feel Love beats any trance record by miles for sound, inovation and rhythm.:wave:
Your right about MANDY and I would put Milo in that bracket too.

2 topics come to mind here
Firstly we shall start with Electro. In my eyes there will only be one style that is Electro and that is mid 80's Electro funk (Zapp, Midnight Star, O'bryan, Parliament, Shannon etc) or Hip Hop (Hashim, Cybotron, Newcleus, Bambaataa.)
Everything else is just digital carbon copied sounds that is just crap. Electro house is practical 1 in 50 tracks and the majority of it sucks big time. I may as well get out my early detroit techno and jackin tracks as they have more creativity than most of the electro house stuff now and they were done on early crappy sequencers.

R&B is a funny one. Unfortunately I think of R&B as soul pop now and nothing else but black pop music. The word R&B is bastardised into a money making pop machine in which a lot of black artists now can be blessed and get paid for a change, as back in the day when the music was cool, alot of them were ripped off.
Underground R&B (Erykah Badu, Jill Scott, Tony Tone Tone, Babyface) unfortunately can not be dissed. It is toooo cool. Unfortunately a lot of forumers are not exposed to it. So please people when your dissing, keep it real. I love house music but there is still a lot of crap in it like everything else. I love R&B but there is still a lot of crap in it. I love Hip Hop but there is a lot of crap in it. I wont let the crap influence my taste in music, as its all about the quality.
Its funny though how so many sexy girls love R&B as oppose to House, nowadays. I mean so manyyyyyyyy
I hate Trance however and only love deep house and real house music, not the Freemason crap. DJ Spen stuff...

Well said, you obviously know your stuff, check our radio show soul purpose on sheffield live saturday mornings, you won't be dissapointed it's all proper house, hip hop and soul vibes.

Yep, real electro for me is 'Planet Rock' and that early 80s era.
Another bastardised term within music...just in the same way people might think of Fiddy when you say your into hip hop/ God forbid!

Yep, real electro for me is 'Planet Rock' and that early 80s era.
Another bastardised term within music...just in the same way people might think of Fiddy when you say your into hip hop/ God forbid!

Although Fiddy may not be lyrically or culturally blessed as the likes of KRS 1, TC Quest, Talib Q etc, does not mean to say he is not hip hop. His style is commercially accessable and he is good at marketing. In fairness if you have ever checked out his lp's or shows or his dj Whoo Kid, you would realise he is one of the top turntablist mix tape champions in the US. & his sound sometimes has underground production, as like Eminem. Em is a talented rapper that is also tainted with the pop brush for being successful, which is a wrong way of looking at it. So the word bastardised or sell out is wrong. I state the word to popular.

Real electro is closer to hip hop than house. It annoys me all these people going around saying they are into electro, when in fact they mean electro house which is as far away from hip hop as you can get really. I mean hip hop & electro had a gritty, underground, DIY ethos - whereas this new electro house sound is just the new mainstream "chart house" (formerly funky house) and the nights generally seem to be frequented by the types with more concern for their haircuts and expensive clothing than the actual music.

Having said that electro house as a genre started out quite promising, with labels such as Get Physical (MANDY & Booka Shade amongst others) producing some amazing and original tracks. However it quickly got hijacked by the cheese mongers and became something different altogether. Now I get the feeling most of the original "electro house" producers don't really associate themselves with the genre, more with tech house, deep house and minimal - and who can really blame them?

I suppose it's similar to what happened with trance - in the early nineties it was a new, innovative, underground genre - but during the mid nineties became the over-commercialised, formalic nonsense that people associate trance with now.


Excellent post! Totally agree.

Yep, real electro for me is 'Planet Rock' and that early 80s era.
Another bastardised term within music...just in the same way people might think of Fiddy when you say your into hip hop/ God forbid!

all together now...'look-in for the per-fect beat...!'

good show t'other night del boy, got it recorded using this 'screamer radio' util on my comp:)

Although Fiddy may not be lyrically or culturally blessed as the likes of KRS 1, TC Quest, Talib Q etc, does not mean to say he is not hip hop. His style is commercially accessable and he is good at marketing. In fairness if you have ever checked out his lp's or shows or his dj Whoo Kid, you would realise he is one of the top turntablist mix tape champions in the US. & his sound sometimes has underground production, as like Eminem. Em is a talented rapper that is also tainted with the pop brush for being successful, which is a wrong way of looking at it. So the word bastardised or sell out is wrong. I state the word to popular.


For me hip hop is about the elements and the whole culture that surrounds the music (breaking, graf etc) so no, 50 cent to me is a pop rap artist not hip hop.What annoys me is that most people think of the likes of 50cent when the words 'hip hop' are mentioned when I think he's a negative role model and v weak musically. I wish the true pioneers and the people who have pushed the genre forward such as the names you mentioned were given such credit and exposure.

all together now...'look-in for the per-fect beat...!'

good show t'other night del boy, got it recorded using this 'screamer radio' util on my comp:)

Cheers fella! :)
will rock some cosyne beats next time...looking forward to the new joints! :thumbsup:

Electro to me was the electro tapes (remember them?) back in the late eighties, MC CraigG, Fatboys, Mantronik etc...

For me hip hop is about the elements and the whole culture that surrounds the music (breaking, graf etc) so no, 50 cent to me is a pop rap artist not hip hop.What annoys me is that most people think of the likes of 50cent when the words 'hip hop' are mentioned when I think he's a negative role model and v weak musically. I wish the true pioneers and the people who have pushed the genre forward such as the names you mentioned were given such credit and exposure.

Firstly hip hop is about the elements and whole cuture that surrounds the music. You forgot a major element there and that is it is music from the ghetto or streets. Also it is a fundamental format of entertainment from the ghetto.
Fiddy raps about his life on the streets. Just like Furious 5 did in the 70's.
By saying 50 is not hip hop you also diss the producers, So you are saying Dre, Timbaland, Scott Storch, are not hip hop! hey they created the beats for his hits and you would probably not say that if you heard how certain djs play fiddys music in NY clubs. Its funny because I have spoken to a lot of cats in the industry on this subject and they dont ever put that perception on artists based on commercial releases or success.

Nelly, PM Dawn, Black Eyed Peas (although they started off raw) Yes, never been hip hop.

I am not sticking up for 50 but he is an entertainer and arguably the most successful. His style is raw although he makes commercial records. Just like Twista, Nas, Biggie, 2pac, Snoop, Missy Elliot or Eve. Just because they are successful does not mean they do not represent hip hop.
Whoo Kid is one of the biggest djs in the mix tape industry so I can not understand why he would be amongst someone who you percieve as not hip hop & it does not get more hip hop than him I'm afraid. I will lend you a mix tape if you want.
I can see your perception and like myself I prefer the more under ground hip hop as I started buying Electro hip hop from 1983 and saw it progress. I hate the negative influences that surround hip hop today but unfortunately neither you or I are going to stop it.
NWA, Krs 1, Slick Rick and even Public Enemy went through the phase of being a negative role models so no one is perfect and these guys were arguably the greatest rappers ever.
The reason why the true pioneers were not given the credit where it was deserved was because the media and mainstream corporate industry did not want hip hop to succeed. Then a long came NWA and 2 live Crew to give us gangsta rap and cause controversy and sell records to white middle class america.

Back in the day I used to think Kurtis Blow, Flash n the furious 5 and even some Run Dmc records was crap because they was successful compared to other rappers. I would never ever say they werent hip hop as they were all about the streets, just like fiddy. (like it or not)

Its funny because people also diss Kanye West now because he is successful and his lyrics are conscience and he is a positive role model.

So do you think Dj Westwood, 2pac, Biggie, P-Diddy, LL Cool J is not hip hop. Even though they have helped build it to what it is today.
If I consider the Shadows (Apache) as hip hop because it was constantly popular playlisted in the (Bronx) ghetto, then so definately is fiddy.
What I hate is the snobery that gets invoked in hip hop. Yes I love break dancing, graffiti, rap, scratching; but there is good and bad in all as a matter of opinion. To say not hip hop sounds like hating to me.
Think about it!!!:thumbsup:

Firstly hip hop is about the elements and whole cuture that surrounds the music. You forgot a major element there and that is it is music from the ghetto or streets. Also it is a fundamental format of entertainment from the ghetto.
Fiddy raps about his life on the streets. Just like Furious 5 did in the 70's.
By saying 50 is not hip hop you also diss the producers, So you are saying Dre, Timbaland, Scott Storch, are not hip hop! hey they created the beats for his hits and you would probably not say that if you heard how certain djs play fiddys music in NY clubs. Its funny because I have spoken to a lot of cats in the industry on this subject and they dont ever put that perception on artists based on commercial releases or success.

Nelly, PM Dawn, Black Eyed Peas (although they started off raw) Yes, never been hip hop.

I am not sticking up for 50 but he is an entertainer and arguably the most successful. His style is raw although he makes commercial records. Just like Twista, Nas, Biggie, 2pac, Snoop, Missy Elliot or Eve. Just because they are successful does not mean they do not represent hip hop.
Whoo Kid is one of the biggest djs in the mix tape industry so I can not understand why he would be amongst someone who you percieve as not hip hop & it does not get more hip hop than him I'm afraid. I will lend you a mix tape if you want.
I can see your perception and like myself I prefer the more under ground hip hop as I started buying Electro hip hop from 1983 and saw it progress. I hate the negative influences that surround hip hop today but unfortunately neither you or I are going to stop it.
NWA, Krs 1, Slick Rick and even Public Enemy went through the phase of being a negative role models so no one is perfect and these guys were arguably the greatest rappers ever.
The reason why the true pioneers were not given the credit where it was deserved was because the media and mainstream corporate industry did not want hip hop to succeed. Then a long came NWA and 2 live Crew to give us gangsta rap and cause controversy and sell records to white middle class america.

Back in the day I used to think Kurtis Blow, Flash n the furious 5 and even some Run Dmc records was crap because they was successful compared to other rappers. I would never ever say they werent hip hop as they were all about the streets, just like fiddy. (like it or not)

Its funny because people also diss Kanye West now because he is successful and his lyrics are conscience and he is a positive role model.

So do you think 2pac, Biggie, P-Diddy, LL Cool J is not hip hop. Even though they have helped build it to what it is today.
If I consider the Shadows (Apache) as hip hop because it was constantly popular playlisted in the (Bronx) ghetto, then so definately is fiddy.
Think about it!!!:thumbsup:Excellent post!

At the risk of getting slaughtered by my learned friend 4321 I think peoples issues with the likes of fiddy is that it seems all about him and what he does and it kind of ignores the beats and the DJ, without his DJ fiddy is nothing. Just a guy speaking in rhythm. The more popular hiphop seems so far removed from what people think hiphop should be that they kind of resent it. I know I do.

As for your feelings about apache they are entirely justified, I personally regard Nile Edwards as hip hop

Freemasons aren't electro and i won't hear a word said against them. They are really nice guys and (current single aside) their output is way above average in quality.

ok dude.....please could you classify this for me (musical genre)....

http://youtube.com/watch?v=NYE2uzQ4zuA

and this....

http://youtube.com/watch?v=wdk5kf91LgI

and this...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=dCWUiBn2yXc

because i think we're just squabbling over names here.....:D

Ay up Sol, wondered how long til you joined in the debate! :)


ey up dude :)

Excellent post!

At the risk of getting slaughtered by my learned friend 4321 I think peoples issues with the likes of fiddy is that it seems all about him and what he does and it kind of ignores the beats and the DJ, without his DJ fiddy is nothing. Just a guy speaking in rhythm. The more popular hiphop seems so far removed from what people think hiphop should be that they kind of resent it. I know I do.

As for your feelings about apache they are entirely justified, I personally regard Nile Edwards as hip hop

Dont worry I wont slaughter you. lol
Very true,
Ladies love cool jay, Slick Rick, Nice n Smooth & Big Daddy Kane, each pioneers and legends in the hip hop game, have built there name on bigging there status on the mike. Infact I would consider all of them much more egotistical than Fiddy. Definately more handsome. Big Daddy Kane featured in Playgirl, with his big self all exposed nude. Hence he lived by his gracious name sake.!!!
True hip hop has come away from what we music purveyors regard it as.
But you could say that about house & R&B.
Nile Edwards most definately a musical genius and most definately hip hop, although recognised in the disco scene. Which is why hip hop is a huge spectrum of musical idealogy's.

Firstly hip hop is about the elements and whole cuture that surrounds the music. You forgot a major element there and that is it is music from the ghetto or streets. Also it is a fundamental format of entertainment from the ghetto.
Fiddy raps about his life on the streets. Just like Furious 5 did in the 70's.
By saying 50 is not hip hop you also diss the producers, So you are saying Dre, Timbaland, Scott Storch, are not hip hop! hey they created the beats for his hits and you would probably not say that if you heard how certain djs play fiddys music in NY clubs. Its funny because I have spoken to a lot of cats in the industry on this subject and they dont ever put that perception on artists based on commercial releases or success.

Nelly, PM Dawn, Black Eyed Peas (although they started off raw) Yes, never been hip hop.

I am not sticking up for 50 but he is an entertainer and arguably the most successful. His style is raw although he makes commercial records. Just like Twista, Nas, Biggie, 2pac, Snoop, Missy Elliot or Eve. Just because they are successful does not mean they do not represent hip hop.
Whoo Kid is one of the biggest djs in the mix tape industry so I can not understand why he would be amongst someone who you percieve as not hip hop & it does not get more hip hop than him I'm afraid. I will lend you a mix tape if you want.
I can see your perception and like myself I prefer the more under ground hip hop as I started buying Electro hip hop from 1983 and saw it progress. I hate the negative influences that surround hip hop today but unfortunately neither you or I are going to stop it.
NWA, Krs 1, Slick Rick and even Public Enemy went through the phase of being a negative role models so no one is perfect and these guys were arguably the greatest rappers ever.
The reason why the true pioneers were not given the credit where it was deserved was because the media and mainstream corporate industry did not want hip hop to succeed. Then a long came NWA and 2 live Crew to give us gangsta rap and cause controversy and sell records to white middle class america.

Back in the day I used to think Kurtis Blow, Flash n the furious 5 and even some Run Dmc records was crap because they was successful compared to other rappers. I would never ever say they werent hip hop as they were all about the streets, just like fiddy. (like it or not)

Its funny because people also diss Kanye West now because he is successful and his lyrics are conscience and he is a positive role model.

So do you think Dj Westwood, 2pac, Biggie, P-Diddy, LL Cool J is not hip hop. Even though they have helped build it to what it is today.
If I consider the Shadows (Apache) as hip hop because it was constantly popular playlisted in the (Bronx) ghetto, then so definately is fiddy.
What I hate is the snobery that gets invoked in hip hop. Yes I love break dancing, graffiti, rap, scratching; but there is good and bad in all as a matter of opinion. To say not hip hop sounds like hating to me.
Think about it!!!:thumbsup:

I don't think your getting me at all G, its all about personal opinion, hence me starting the para with: 'for me....'
I can't be doing with your condescending attitude, you prattle on like I've never been to a hip hop night before...you've never even met me! And yes I know your reputation and by all your accounts your a great dj with a massive muscial knowledge so respect BUT that doesn't give mean your voicing anything other than your opinion.

I don't think your getting me at all G, its all about personal opinion, hence me starting the para with: 'for me....'
I can't be doing with your condescending attitude, you prattle on like I've never been to a hip hop night before...you've never even met me! And yes I know your reputation and by all your accounts your a great dj with a massive muscial knowledge so respect BUT that doesn't give mean your voicing anything other than your opinion.

Hey come D,
Theres nothing but love here:love:. I was explaining a point that some people do not understand.
The point is; its ok, trying to keep things real and underground but what about the brilliant artists that have now been extinct because of this;
eg)
Tim Dog / Ultra Magnetic
Nice n Smooth
Not here to judge you at all as I have not done this. Check my statements.
I just think that your statement "Fiddy for me is not hip hop is wrong" because, in the industry he is.
A lot of people in the hip hop industry regard Black Twang and London Posse as just poor UK rappers and do not regard them as hip hop. I must admit, after asking relations over there about Roots Manuva, they did not know who they were and when I played them the stuff they said; production great, lyrically poor.
So us UK people are the last to talk about whats hip hop and whats not. Even the French are leading us in the hip hop stakes and you know thats true.
I did mention for the record that I do agree with you to a certain degree.:thumbsup:
There was no attitude implied here but matter of opinion which however no matter how you look at it Fiddy is a hip hop artist or rap artist. (pop crap what ever)
Not every body digs Talib Kweli and the cooler stuff because they find it void of entertainment. Something that the likes of fiddy and em have found to conquer there market.
There is no hating here but I do think you have been too quick to jump on me when initially I have understood you thoroughly.

50 cent is an unfortunate and overhyped byproduct of a flabby industry, and needs to stop making crap records.

All that pop rap nonsense is damaging to how people percieve hiphop.

I agree with Del Monte - for me, 50 cent is not making music good enough to be classed as 'hiphop music', even though the industry defines it as such. You can say the same for most of the R'n'B tossers too.

And as for saying that the french are way ahead? I chuckled when i read that:) Not to undermine that country's talent, more because you can't have heard much uk hiphop recently. A dusty copy of 'gangster chronicle' and an old 'derek b' t shirt doesnt really make you an expert...

The uk is producing awesome mcs and producers... making tunes that urinate all over that weak toss timbaland and co are putting out. Fact.

ok dude.....please could you classify this for me (musical genre)....

http://youtube.com/watch?v=NYE2uzQ4zuA

and this....

http://youtube.com/watch?v=wdk5kf91LgI

and this...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=dCWUiBn2yXc

because i think we're just squabbling over names here.....:D


Every one of those tracks makes me want to set myself on fire and crawl as slowly as possible to a petrol station.

I burn horribly and die en route, or go up in an impressive explosion the likes of which haven't been seen since the blitz. Either way I win.

50 cent is an unfortunate and overhyped byproduct of a flabby industry, and needs to stop making crap records.

All that pop rap nonsense is damaging to how people percieve hiphop.

I agree with Del Monte - for me, 50 cent is not making music good enough to be classed as 'hiphop music', even though the industry defines it as such. You can say the same for most of the R'n'B tossers too.

And as for saying that the french are way ahead? I chuckled when i read that:) Not to undermine that country's talent, more because you can't have heard much uk hiphop recently. A dusty copy of 'gangster chronicle' and an old 'derek b' t shirt doesnt really make you an expert...

The uk is producing awesome mcs and producers... making tunes that urinate all over that weak toss timbaland and co are putting out. Fact.

Hi John
I am not going to change this thread or hi jack into a hip hop thread just to defend my statements but what you and delmonte are stating is both right and wrong.
Just because a tune is mainstream does not mean it is not hip hop.

eg)
Is Jazzy Jeff Hip Hop. The answer is yes even though when he first came on the scene he produced the crappy pop track "Girls aint nothing but trouble" with probably the weakest rapper back then "Fresh Prince" (Will Smith)
Now if you came to me and compared that to 50 cent "In da Club", I know which sound has the most underground street sound.
Do you get my drift yet!!!!!!!

Hip Hop has many genres now and you need to face up to the realities of it. Nobody is denying that it is not pop. When 50 throws down in a concert, it is always with a hot turntablist, be it Green Lantern or Whoo Kid. And anyone saying that they are not hip hop needs to seek advice quick and stop getting stuck up there own arses.

Again you probably class Beyonce as R&B. You should know that there is pop R&B and underground R&B. The difference between Musiq Soulchild and Akon is so great in terms of musical quality. Im sure you understand that too, as you sound musically intelligent.

The French are way above us on the simple grounds that they have embraced hip hop culture far stronger than the UK. They have bigger and more worldwide artists than us for starters.
We still only have a handful that I would consider internationally massive.

Estelle (although getting pushed similar to Lauryn Hill, signed to Warner Atlantic)
Dizzy Rascal (Even though I still dont understand a word he says)

The other legion of cool artists are good, no denying that, but in the world of hip hop, like it or not; Russell Simmons (Def Jam)probably does not even know they exist.
But what hurts UK hip hop, is the vast amount of crap that doesnt even sell. Check channel U for details and info, as its full of it.
At least the US artists know how to sell there crap poppy hip hop and like it or not; they are good at marketing it.
Your right, we have awesome producers and turntablist but still, we dont know how to market them and unfortunately thats sad.

To say Timbaaland is weak is like stating Quincy Jones or Rod Temperton are weak because they collaborated with Michael Jackson and got bigger. Thats just hating.
Timbaaland has been strong for over 15 years doing underground hip hop before he was big. You probably only heard the pop productions with JT. lol

The irony of this debate is simply this. You guys have a deep rooted depiction of hip hop that it has to be real, or inventive, or on the edge of advancement.
Wrong!!!!!
Hip Hop has always been about entertainment be it commercially or underground.

Im sure Sugarhill Gang when they came out with Rappers Delight were thinking "lets make some money doing underground hip hop"
I think not.!!!!!
Grandmaster Caz from Cold Crush Brothers even rubbished there tripe, even though as a hip hop record, it filled dance floors and made money and 20 years later its looked upon as being cool.

Do you get what I'm sayin now...;)

Every one of those tracks makes me want to set myself on fire and crawl as slowly as possible to a petrol station.

I burn horribly and die en route, or go up in an impressive explosion the likes of which haven't been seen since the blitz. Either way I win.I agree that the freaks track is cheesier than dairylea spread on brie and sprinkled with parmesan. the freemasons track is probably their weakest release so far and the FLG thing is just plain annoying

I agree that the freaks track is cheesier than dairylea spread on brie and sprinkled with parmesan. the freemasons track is probably their weakest release so far and the FLG thing is just plain annoying

yes (cough). but are they what you'd classify as electro?

and maaaan.....do they all float my boat or what. the freaks track especially...

da da da dada da da da DAAAAAA!!

:love:

yes (cough). but are they what you'd classify as electro?

:love:

No no no no no. Please stop calling this rubbish "electro". It is just pop music. The Freaks track used to be a reasonble electro house tune (originally released in 2003 and a big tune at UG), but it has been bastardised into a piece of commercial pop nonsense.

If you want to know what electro really is try:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFbSd-8sPl0 (classic electro)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwALo2TpO-Y (modern electro)

To say Timbaaland is weak is like stating Quincy Jones or Rod Temperton are weak because they collaborated with Michael Jackson and got bigger. Thats just hating.
Timbaaland has been strong for over 15 years doing underground hip hop before he was big. You probably only heard the pop productions with JT. lol

The irony of this debate is simply this. You guys have a deep rooted depiction of hip hop that it has to be real, or inventive, or on the edge of advancement.
Wrong!!!!!
Hip Hop has always been about entertainment be it commercially or underground.


timbaland is a producer that i never really got into. Aside from a handful of tunes, his stuff just isnt that interesting. And he's an arrogant prick.

When i said 'pop-rap nonsense' i meant the dross that 50/g-unit/others put out, under the guise of 'real', where it is creatively weak.

Realness/creative quality doesn't always have to be outside of the mainstream. There are quite a few succesful artists i like, and along the way, some classic albums have been made, which transcend the 'sell-out' angle.

But in the case of this 'commercial gangsta rap' stuff i just think it's a big load of arse. Lyrics, content and intent are all poor. And in addition, the production is pretty laughable at times.

Now you might be a huge fan of this particular development in hiphop music, but for me, i'd rather be interested in decent records.

And as for the US not recognising UK talent? Who cares? That is called 'seeking validation', and you should really know that part of being involved in hiphop music is standing up and just doing it, not waiting for some other dude's approval.

So enough of the lecturing, already, we will just have to disagree. You enjoy a particular type of hiphop music that i feel is of fairly low quality. Each to their own;)

yes (cough). but are they what you'd classify as electro?

and maaaan.....do they all float my boat or what. the freaks track especially...

da da da dada da da da DAAAAAA!!

:love:the freaks thing is just pop, if you want some electro PM me and i'll send you a Cd of stuff

No no no no no. Please stop calling this rubbish "electro". It is just pop music. The Freaks track used to be a reasonble electro house tune (originally released in 2003 and a big tune at UG), but it has been bastardised into a piece of commercial pop nonsense.


i take it you're not a fan then hehe :D

If you want to know what electro really is try:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFbSd-8sPl0 (classic electro)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwALo2TpO-Y (modern electro)

ok. like both of these and have always been a fan of the rother.

'electro' surely means anything with synthesised music tho?

the freaks thing is just pop, if you want some electro PM me and i'll send you a Cd of stuff

thanks dude :)

ok. like both of these and have always been a fan of the rother.

'electro' surely means anything with synthesised music tho?

Think this answers it all

Electro (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electro_music)
Should definitely not be confused with Electro House

Electro House (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electro_house)

Think this answers it all

Electro (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electro_music)
Should definitely not be confused with Electro House

Electro House (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electro_house)

Word. Had to laugh at the notion of Ben Watt playing Electro House though :loopy:

Now you might be a huge fan of this particular development in hiphop music, but for me, i'd rather be interested in decent records.

And as for the US not recognising UK talent? Who cares? That is called 'seeking validation', and you should really know that part of being involved in hiphop music is standing up and just doing it, not waiting for some other dude's approval.

So enough of the lecturing, already, we will just have to disagree. You enjoy a particular type of hiphop music that i feel is of fairly low quality. Each to their own;)

Stop the presumptions that I like pop hip hop!!!!!
I never said that. If you read my post carefully I was pointing out to you and Delmonte, 50 Cent, like it or not is hip hop.
You choose to ignore the point I made about Jazzy Jeff. The reason why I may sound like I am lecturing is because I deal with facts not just opinions.
If you read carefully also I said you was RIGHT & WRONG. However if you knew a lot about how hip hop developed, there has been cats like 50 making commercial hip hop since the beginning.
As you stated 50 aint hip hop
Kurtis Blow is not hip hop because he made excellent party records.
Have you got the drift yet.;)

Stop the presumptions that I like pop hip hop!!!!!
I never said that. If you read my post carefully I was pointing out to you and Delmonte, 50 Cent, like it or not is hip hop.
You choose to ignore the point I made about Jazzy Jeff. The reason why I may sound like I am lecturing is because I deal with facts not just opinions.
If you read carefully also I said you was RIGHT & WRONG. However if you knew a lot about how hip hop developed, there has been cats like 50 making commercial hip hop since the beginning.
As you stated 50 aint hip hop
Kurtis Blow is not hip hop because he made excellent party records.
Have you got the drift yet.;)

Actually, what i said was even though i don't like it, 50 and the other people making bad records are classed as 'hiphop music' - i just see it as not really being good enough for me to classify it as such...a chunk of hiphop music to me is about skills and beats...two things relatively lacking within some sub-genres.

If you read my post carefully, you will see that i accept and even enjoy the fact that there has been commercial hiphop-based music since the beginning.

Realness/creative quality doesn't always have to be outside of the mainstream. There are quite a few succesful artists i like, and along the way, some classic albums have been made, which transcend the 'sell-out' angle.

i do know a little about this area of music...:)in fact, the first tape i ever bought was De La - 3 feet...at the time, a big crossover success that made it without being crap. Shame other people don't seem able to do this.

And as for talking about facts and opinions - there are facts that we both agree on - so i mean no disrespect, but perhaps one of these days someone should fill in the gaps in your knowledge about uk music...you would really benefit from it;)

I would love you to enlighten my ears on good UK hip hop music. For me it is really 1/20. Great production, crappy lyrics. My favourite UK rapper of all time is Slick Rick. (old skool but based in USA)
If you could find me a UK rapper who could take him out in a battle, I would be surprised.
Dizzy Rascal close but the sad irony is nobody understands a word he says. Flows well but sounds like bad english.
I would be in full attendance if you could tell me where I could hear this UK music. Maybe I'm getting old but I pride myself as a 20 year veteran dj and agent to some of the top UK house, hip hop and R&B artists and djs.
For the record I will say the same for house, however 10 - 15 years ago the UK house scene had great UK talent. Now I struggle to find many outstanding acts. Same for R&B.
Soul II Soul, Loose Ends - House artists oldskool UK are too many to name.

De La Soul was a great eg) them and Public Enemy were geniuses in the game and created a new dimension to Hip Hop. In todays hip hop I struggle find that bench mark left by these two artists alone. I would say the last band to change the game in Hip Hop was Wu Tang, just for there sheer rawness. I have to say for sheer lp quality The Game is hot and creates underground and mainstream hip hop on his lps. Lupe Fiasco is probably one to watch also.
Keep me posted bro..;)

this thread is to funny.

Why's that then?

It's kind of turned into a "I know more about music than you" thread, but it's still pretty interesting.

actually, its starting to remind me of those martial arts threads that pop up from time to time, which always end up with dave whatisface and somekicker-dude arguing over who's schools are the best...

pretty pointless really:)

Yeah, we do seem to have come to a hip hop stand off :hihi::hihi:

I think what is boils down to is that genres are pretty meaningless and mean different things to different people.

Like i said before theres only really two genres.

Sorry for changing the beat on you guys. I stand partially to blame for bringing up electro and hip hop as electro hip hop is all I love.
I do love quality house music, especially deep house & I used to love detroit techno house. (Juan Atkins, Mayday etc) To me thats real electro house.

Not really, I was naive not to think at least one person would mention proper electro and hiphop. They would inevitably come into it at some point