Hi Does anyone know how we can watch Saturday's fight? The rights have been bought by HBO and it won't be shown until 2am and even then I can't work out which channel - will it be on Sky? Help?

It is on Sky but I dont know how much it is to view.
I think its a fiver on Setanta.

Thanks AJ - I am deeply suspicious of Setana, if you know what I mean...maybe we'll wait and see it on terrestrial or downlaod site. So annoying to know it's playing in Wales at 9pm and not be able to watch it. If I trusted the tickets for sale on e-bay I might go for those!

Apparently rileys have it (the pool and snooker club)
Search google for rileys Calzaghe hunters bar

After watching the poor performance of Clinton Woods against Tarver in the early hours of Sunday morning, i am really looking forward to Joe Calzaghe Vs Bernard Hopkins.

I think Joe will win on points, his speed proving the key!

Come on Joe, lets get some pride back and prove us Brits can beat trash talking Americans!!

Yeah come on Joe, show us how you can friction burn your opponent into submission with your bitch slapping cuffing style.
There is a long line of victims in Joes wake, most of them suffering from perichondrial hematoma, Tinnitus and friction burns.

Yeh, I don't see Calzage being able to knock out Hopkins, and probably vice verse (as Joe has a great chin). So looks like a points job.

Yeah come on Joe, show us how you can friction burn your opponent into submission with your bitch slapping cuffing style.
There is a long line of victims in Joes wake, most of them suffering from perichondrial hematoma, Tinnitus and friction burns.


You didn't see Lacy's face after his fight with Joe did you? Also, Lacy had never been down in his career, but he did against Calzaghe, and since that fight he has proved to be damaged goods now. Oh yeah, he also floored Eubank in the first round.

Ok, I accept that his ko/tko rate has dwindled recently (still 32 in his career tho), but that is down to the fact that his hands are knackered so he can't sit down on his shots as much nowadays. But with the extra weight he will be carrying into this fight I highly doubt you will be questioning his power after the fight with B-Hop.

You didn't see Lacy's face after his fight with Joe did you? Also, Lacy had never been down in his career, but he did against Calzaghe, and since that fight he has proved to be damaged goods now. Oh yeah, he also floored Eubank in the first round.

Ok, I accept that his ko/tko rate has dwindled recently (still 32 in his career tho), but that is down to the fact that his hands are knackered so he can't sit down on his shots as much nowadays. But with the extra weight he will be carrying into this fight I highly doubt you will be questioning his power after the fight with B-Hop.

Joe was still not at his peak when he fought Eubank but Eubank was deffo well past his prime when the fight took place. A Eubank in his prime would have made a much different fighter than the one Joe had.
Calzaghe came along when all the good middle and super middleweight boxers were coming to an end.

Joe was still not at his peak when he fought Eubank but Eubank was deffo well past his prime when the fight took place. A Eubank in his prime would have made a much different fighter than the one Joe had.
Calzaghe came along when all the good middle and super middleweight boxers were coming to an end.

No, there were still plenty around but he avoided them all. Sticking with Mr Warren and defending his one belt against worthless opponents.

Now he thinks fighting a 43 yr old Hopkins will make up for it, :loopy:.

No, there were still plenty around but he avoided them all. Sticking with Mr Warren and defending his one belt against worthless opponents.

Now he thinks fighting a 43 yr old Hopkins will make up for it, :loopy:.

Give some examples of who he ducked then. It was the Yanks who didn't want a piece of him I think you'll find.

No, there were still plenty around but he avoided them all. Sticking with Mr Warren and defending his one belt against worthless opponents.

Now he thinks fighting a 43 yr old Hopkins will make up for it, :loopy:.

Hopkins is a damn good fighter, and Joe needs to be at the top of his game to beat Hopkins, even at 43.

If Hopkins comes in good shape and hasn't undersestimated Calzaghe then I predict a points win for Hopkins.

Give some examples of who he ducked then. It was the Yanks who didn't want a piece of him I think you'll find.

Taylor, Jones Jnr, Hopkins etc.. The Calzaghe camp may say that it was the other way round, but these guys have always taken on big fights so I don't think they would back away from Joe.

The only other reason was maybe Joe wasn't seen as big enough to make a fight worthwhile. Like it or not the US is where you make your name in boxing and Calzaghe didn't do that.

Kingmaker, I agree Hopkins is still a class act. But he's still 43, and fighting against a man with Calzaghe's work rate I don't think he will be able to keep up in the later rounds.

Although I hope he does as I got 7/1 on a Hopkins UD :hihi:

Whatever happens, i think it will be a good fight! I have heard Calzaghe is not going to throw as many punches, but go more for power. I would love to see Hopkins knocked out, but i don't think that will happen, as it never has!

Hopkins last two fights were against Winky Wright and Tarver, both fighters are passed thier best, Joe is a whole new ball game for him.

Calzaghe to win on points, come on Joe!!

33/1 Calzaghe to knock out Hopkins between round 3 -7!

Taylor, Jones Jnr, Hopkins etc.. - they are all in a weight above Joe, look at Hatton when he stepped up, terrible! i just hope the same doesn't happen to Joe, loses speed, power is less and chin is more seceptable. Although them bombs that Kessler unloaded on him, proved he still has an excellent chin!!

33/1 Calzaghe to knock out Hopkins between round 3 -7!

Taylor, Jones Jnr, Hopkins etc.. - they are all in a weight above Joe, look at Hatton when he stepped up, terrible! i just hope the same doesn't happen to Joe, loses speed, power is less and chin is more seceptable. Although them bombs that Kessler unloaded on him, proved he still has an excellent chin!!

Hopkins was a middlewight for most of his career, Taylor = middlewight, Jones Light heavy for most of his career but has fought at MW/SMW.

Anyways, I don't think an early knockout is on the cards, Hopkins is a tough fighter. I reckon its the work rate of Calzaghe that will win the fight and probably either a TKO in rounds 11-12 or a points win.

However the odds were crap on those so i went for a Hopkins UD.

Although may stick a fiver on at 33-1 for an early KO. Where did you get those odds from?

Taylor, Jones Jnr, Hopkins etc.. The Calzaghe camp may say that it was the other way round, but these guys have always taken on big fights so I don't think they would back away from Joe.



Hopkins and Calzaghe were due to fight 4 years ago, yet the night before they signed the fight, Hopkins DOUBLED his purse demands, effectively ducking the fight as there was no way that could happen.

Calzaghes camp and Jones Jnr's have never really approached eachother about a bout, it's impossible to say that Joe ducked him, without saying RJJ ducked Joe. It's impossible to know why they never fought.

As for Joe ducking Taylor!! Hahahahaha, don't make me laugh, you know full well that Joe could beat Taylor with one hand tied behind his back, if you say any different then I seriously question your boxing knowledge. There would be NO WAY Taylors people would have let him fight Calzaghe, NO WAY.

Calzaghe is a brave fighter, he could've justifiably taken this admittedly easy fight against Popkins before the Kessler fight, yet he chose to fight Kessler, the younger hungrier champion firstly, to cement his his own legacy. Not the actions of a fighter who "ducks".

I see your point, but for me if you want to leave a legacy you actively go out and look for big fights against the biggest names.

By the way, you probably can't tell but I think Calzaghe is a great boxer. However he should have left Frank Warren behind ages ago.

Also, Taylor may have been easy. But he was still a big name, and thats what counts.

And I think Hopkins will be a bigger test for Joe than Kessler.

However the odds were crap on those so i went for a Hopkins UD.

Although may stick a fiver on at 33-1 for an early KO. Where did you get those odds from?

You'll always find decent odds on a fight which features a popular British fighter.
Generally the popular British fighter will be the favourite amongst British bookies, and the other guy even if he is true world champion will be the underdog!
Case in point, when Naseem met Barrerra, Barrerra was the 3/1 underdog!
Needless to say I took some of that!;)
Going further back in time (showing you my age here!) when British bookies made Frank Bruno favourite against reigning heavyweight champ Tim Witherspoon, I was bemused to say the least.
I suppose it's less to do with the outcome but more to do with how much the bookies stand to lose should the local British boy win.

I also collected on a riduculous 3/1 on Lamon Brewster beating Andrew Golota, the bookies this time clearly didn't do their homework making the more well known name the favourite, whilst a closer study of form suggested a Brewster win.

I won a decent sum on a bet I placed on Holyfield to beat Tyson in their second fight!
I got 9/2 on Holyfield, I knew when I left the shop that the girl behind the counter had given me the wrong odds by mistake!
I made sure I went to a different branch to collect, but the guy behind the counter how ask how I managed to get 9/2 on Holyfield, I still got paid though and ended up lightening the bookies till by £95!
Not bad for a 2 horse race!;)

I see your point, but for me if you want to leave a legacy you actively go out and look for big fights against the biggest names.

By the way, you probably can't tell but I think Calzaghe is a great boxer. However he should have left Frank Warren behind ages ago.

You also need to remeber that the Yanks were ignorant to Calzaghe until after the Lacy fight. Joe would never have been able to draw money in America in his early career, therefore the networks and promoters over there wouldn't have been interested. There is a lot more to the reasons behind Joe's admittedly unglittering (is that a word lol?) career than blindly claiming he "ducked paeople you see?

I agree with you on the Frank Warren point though, the guy does tend to be a bit of a tool when matchmaking. It makes me giggle though looking at Amir practically demanding a world title shot and Warren crapping himself incase his latest cash-cow gets beat early in his career in a Diaz/Casamayor etc matchup.. Go Amir!

Oh, and a side note, you can see the weigh-in live here, should be about 9pm. If Hopkins' previous record is anything to go by, I' certainly recommend tuning in, I'm sure something funny will happen.

http://www.hbo.com/boxing/

Oh, and a side note, you can see the weigh-in live here, should be about 9pm. If Hopkins' previous record is anything to go by, I' certainly recommend tuning in, I'm sure something funny will happen.

http://www.hbo.com/boxing/

Nice one!!!!!!!

5.30pm ET, won't that make it 10.30 here? or is that just me being stupid?

Is anyone watching the fight on Setanta??? I am so excited I adore boxing & was gutted when Clinton Woods lost last week, But Calzaghe is gonna go to America and shut up the big mouth that is Hopkins!!!

COME ON JOE WE KNOW YOU CAN DO IT!!!!

Having got my hopes up that Hatton could win I'm not sure if I dare, Hopkins is a bit of a legend. That said, Calzaghe showed real class in his last fight against an impressive opponent, something Hatton didn't do.

Not watching live however, will be seeing it on *ahem* another channel

I know what you mean I got my hopes up with the Enzo Macarenelli fight & Clinton Woods but I have a good feeling about tomorrow night, Calzaghe is in a class of his own. Hopkins has done nothing but shout his mouth off, Calzaghe does his talking in the ring!!

I watched Hatton Mayweather & IMO Mayweather is not a true champion by ducking & diving & running away at every oppurtunity & the cheating by the blantantly Biased Joe cortez added insult to Injury.

IMO i think Calzaghe will win but i think it could go down to the last few rounds or a points decision.

I don't think its going to be a walk in the park by any means but Calzaghe will win. Hopkins said "He won't let any white boy beat him", Imagion if Joe had made a comment like that, He would have been accused of racism!! It does not matter what colour your skin is, if you can talk the talk, you have to walk the walk and Calzaghe has proved time after time that he can win without stupid comments like that!

I watched Hatton Mayweather & IMO Mayweather is not a true champion by ducking & diving & running away at every oppurtunity & the cheating by the blantantly Biased Joe cortez added insult to Injury.

IMO i think Calzaghe will win but i think it could go down to the last few rounds or a points decision.
Thats Boxing im afraid mate! You have to work hard and there is a time limit. Mayweather would have been stupid to go in there and fight the fight that Hatton wanted him to. He totally outclassed Hatton ......made him look like an amateur. Hatton blocks too much with his face and relies on being tough to get the punches off, when your boxing that class of opponenent blocking with your face just wont cut it!!

check out this link,

http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=333882

Come on Joe, knock that yank out!!

Heard Joe Cortez is the ref that could make the fight more even still go for Calzaghe on points.

check out this link,

http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=333882

Come on Joe, knock that yank out!!

Thanks for the link, And I couldn't have put it better myself!!!! COME ON!!

what time is this on?

Cortez is ref, that doesn't make much difference as Joe does most of his work at range and is too quick to be bothered with fighting on the "inside" like Hatton loves to do!

It may if he judges it correctly help Calzaghe, although that remains to be seen!

Who were the two American fighters who fought before Woods last week. That went to points and no way did the guy who retained his title deserve too!

Love boxing.........Good luck to both of them.

Nice one!!!!!!!

5.30pm ET, won't that make it 10.30 here? or is that just me being stupid?

err, not sure, I'll log on at both times to be safe!

what time is this on?
I think there due to get in the ring about 3:00 uk time.

Come on Joe, kick his butt

If anyone wants to watch this fight for free then download sopcast player and I will pm you the link you need once thats downloaded to stream the fight live.

does anyone know what time the fight actually start

is it not 5am?

I have been looking myself on Setanta but its all very vague.

Bout 3.30-4am

Radio 5 are saying about 4am, their coverage starts at 3

Does anybody know if this fight is on TV tonight. I could have sworn it was on BBc but can't find it anywhere. Ta

Nope it aint for free this one.

it is on sentena

i wanted to watch the fight but there is no way im waiting up all night so just have to find out tomorrow

the fight kicks off at 4 in the morning here & its on setanta

I live in upperthorpe/walkley area, anyone know and pubs opening where I can watch the fight tonight?

its about 4 in the morning cannot see a pub staying open that late

Trying to stay awake, but struggling! 3am Tv coverage starts om Sky. So with delays, about 4.30 lol. Might have to move on to the vodka, with red bull...

Points decision, Calzaghe to win. 118-113. Not enough power to knock him out, but the skills to take the win. Oooops, wrong section ;-)

Points decision, Calzaghe to win. 118-113. Not enough power to knock him out, but the skills to take the win. Oooops, wrong section ;-)

dont be daft it is the right section General sports chat

Ah thats the one. These newbies lol

Well that was close wasn't it! Can't sleep now though. Been an amazing year for Welsh sports fans so far. Might be worth a cheeky tenner on Cardiff for the Cup at this rate!

Very close, I really thought Hopkins had won it. Calzaghe definitely had more of a fight than he bargained for, and it took a lot of strength to come back from the first round knock down. But he did, srappy stuff, a bit of old skool play acting from Hopkin, but I am sure its a rocket up the arse for Joe.

36 year old against a 43 year old, both past their sell by date .

Youve got to be a Frank Bruno in this country and get slapped all over before your recognized and respected,Calzhage's unbeaten what else does he have to do to earn respect? sorry I forgot go out and get lamped and knocked all over with a cheesy grin on his face like Bruno.

Youve got to be a Frank Bruno in this country and get slapped all over before your recognized and respected,Calzhage's unbeaten what else does he have to do to earn respect? sorry I forgot go out and get lamped and knocked all over with a cheesy grin on his face like Bruno.

Joe did get lamped and knocked all over with a cheesy grin on his face :hihi:
Hopkins was a better boxer I think but did himself no favours with the low blow crap. That said though, I am glad Joe won and he deffo has a big heart, good on him.
One of the problems with boxing nowadays is its all on cable and sky so you dont really get to know the characters in boxing anymore. Joe has sometimes come across as a very disrespectful man with little regard for his opponents skill even after a fight but I saw him on celebrity Mr & Mrs and he seemed to be very quiet and shy. Hopkins on the other hand was very aggressive during an interview on Setanta with Steve Bunce that left me wanting him knocked out.

Cortez was poor again let everything go Hopkins should have had points off for holding and his head. Well at least Calzaghe won but like i said closer then it should have been because of Cortez.

I watched it and i was convinced that he had lost?

joe never got into his rythem and i can only could a few times in the entire fight that he connected with half decent punches that hopkins felt.

Still- a win is a win even though it won't do much for his reputation in the states.

looking forward to a joe vs jones fight in november (plus we won't need to stay up till daft-o'clock to watch it)

Calazghe definitley deserved to win, Hopkins was holding on too much and was using his head all the time, My heart was in my mouth when they were announcing the winner, wot a result!!!!!!!

I watched it and i was convinced that he had lost?

joe never got into his rythem and i can only could a few times in the entire fight that he connected with half decent punches that hopkins felt.

Still- a win is a win even though it won't do much for his reputation in the states.

looking forward to a joe vs jones fight in november (plus we won't need to stay up till daft-o'clock to watch it)
Calzaghe hit Hopkins more than other boxer has ever done, even if some of his punches didn't connect. I can't wait for November even though I think he should now retire, but at least we won't have to stay up til a stupid time, I didn't get to bed til 5am and I'm still tired from it now lol!

Joe did get lamped and knocked all over with a cheesy grin on his face :hihi:
Hopkins was a better boxer I think but did himself no favours with the low blow crap. That said though, I am glad Joe won and he deffo has a big heart, good on him.
One of the problems with boxing nowadays is its all on cable and sky so you dont really get to know the characters in boxing anymore. Joe has sometimes come across as a very disrespectful man with little regard for his opponents skill even after a fight but I saw him on celebrity Mr & Mrs and he seemed to be very quiet and shy. Hopkins on the other hand was very aggressive during an interview on Setanta with Steve Bunce that left me wanting him knocked out.I don't know whats worst you saying Calzaghe was lamped & knocked all over when he picked up his pace after first couple of rounds and deserved to win as Hopkins was holding on too much and using his head or the fact you admitted you watched Mr & Mrs :hihi: If you are a true fan of Calzaghes and have seen him in interviews you would know he isn't disrespectful, he is a down to earth, shy person. He would have been well within his rights to be disrespectful with the things Hopkins had said like "Black against white" & all the other crap he was coming out with but he kept his dignity!

Calzaghe hit Hopkins more than other boxer has ever done, even if some of his punches didn't connect. I can't wait for November even though I think he should now retire, but at least we won't have to stay up til a stupid time, I didn't get to bed til 5am and I'm still tired from it now lol!

You say hit but surely you mean slap.

I don't know whats worst you saying Calzaghe was lamped & knocked all over when he picked up his pace after first couple of rounds and deserved to win as Hopkins was holding on too much and using his head or the fact you admitted you watched Mr & Mrs :hihi: If you are a true fan of Calzaghes and have seen him in interviews you would know he isn't disrespectful, he is a down to earth, shy person. He would have been well within his rights to be disrespectful with the things Hopkins had said like "Black against white" & all the other crap he was coming out with but he kept his dignity!

I'm not doubting Hopkins was holding too much but he was deffo the better technical boxer.

You say hit but surely you mean slap.

No I meant hit !!!

No I meant hit !!!

Calzaghe can't have done that bad to win a split decision in America!!!

Chuck Giampa who gave Calzaghe the 116-111 score must have been watching another fight.

Joe did get lamped and knocked all over with a cheesy grin on his face :hihi:
Hopkins was a better boxer I think but did himself no favours with the low blow crap. That said though, I am glad Joe won and he deffo has a big heart, good on him.
One of the problems with boxing nowadays is its all on cable and sky so you dont really get to know the characters in boxing anymore. Joe has sometimes come across as a very disrespectful man with little regard for his opponents skill even after a fight but I saw him on celebrity Mr & Mrs and he seemed to be very quiet and shy. Hopkins on the other hand was very aggressive during an interview on Setanta with Steve Bunce that left me wanting him knocked out.
But he still won and he's still got a duckegg in the loss column

I scored the fight in favour of Calzaghe by one round, AJ u say the classier punches came from Hopkins, thats probably true, but he never sustained any pressure and never looked for a fight, he was quite happy to hold, stick his head in Calzaghe's face looking for a cut, go down after a rediculous low blow and generally try and nullify anything Clazaghe tried to do, Cortez was a joke, the complete opposite of the Hatton fight, to me he is a cheat.

The true boxer won and the chump lost!

We went to our next door neighbours to watch it as they have Freeview but also subscribe to Setanta on there. We waited up all night, watched the build up and then at 3am it said to change the channel. We did and it was blank, we returned to the original channel and that was now blank.

We rang Setanta who said thousands were having the same problem and there was nothing they could do. We ended up listening on 5 live and from listening to that I was expecting Hopkins to win but was happy Calzaghe won.

I watched it and i was convinced that he had lost?

joe never got into his rythem and i can only could a few times in the entire fight that he connected with half decent punches that hopkins felt.

Still- a win is a win even though it won't do much for his reputation in the states.

looking forward to a joe vs jones fight in november (plus we won't need to stay up till daft-o'clock to watch it)

This fight(if it happens) is only being discussed because of the money involved- Jones is 40 now and way past his best. Even if Calzaghe beats him, people will say he beat two old timers (Hopkins being the other). At 36, Calzaghe is no spring chicken and I can see why he would not want to fight Pevlik. Personally, I would like to see him go up against Tarver- he is fresher then Jones and holds a belt. Though I think Joe v Jones is almost certain as money talks and IMO Joe deserves a BIG payday to end on a high (I hope)..

I would be happy to see Calzaghe fight Tarver too, but remember Tarver is 39 as well and also Hopkins took Tarver to school. So Joe would still face criticism for fighting Tarver.

I think Calzaghe was well ahead on points after the scare of the first round. But Hopkins still put in a superb performance so no need for him to retire.

Before Jones suddenly shot to prominence on Saturday, Joe was saying he was most likely to fight Kelly Pavlik next. Which would be very exciting. Assuming Joe's gym mate Gary Lockett doesn't shock Pavlik though! But now Bob Arum is talking about Pavlik fighting Marco Antonio Rubio after Lockett

I would be happy to see Calzaghe fight Tarver too, but remember Tarver is 39 as well and also Hopkins took Tarver to school. So Joe would still face criticism for fighting Tarver.

I think Calzaghe was well ahead on points after the scare of the first round. But Hopkins still put in a superb performance so no need for him to retire.

Before Jones suddenly shot to prominence on Saturday, Joe was saying he was most likely to fight Kelly Pavlik next. Which would be very exciting. Assuming Joe's gym mate Gary Lockett doesn't shock Pavlik though! But now Bob Arum is talking about Pavlik fighting Marco Antonio Rubio after Lockett

I think Pavlik would beat Joe. he (Pavlik) is strong and durable as well as young. Joe knows he is coming to the end of a long road and common sense will tell him to take a mega bucks fight with someone he has a chance of beating- ie. Jones or Tarver (maybe). I know Hopkins beat Tarver but tarver admits he was not in good condition and was not focused- he had little time to prepare. I saw him against Woods, he was not great but had some rhythm back. Hopkins should retire IMO, he has nothing to prove.

I just watched the full fight for the first time on BBC 2 at midday today (Sun 27 April).

A friend of mine who watched it on live tv last week told me he though Hopkins had won it.

When watched today I kept my own score card as each round passed as I normally do on big fights.

For me Hopkins won the first 3 rounds, they both shared the next 4 rounds,
Calaghe won the next 2 rounds, they shared the next round, Hopkins wins the 11th round and the final round is shared.

112 - 109

In favour of Hopkins.
I can see why the Hopkins camp genuinely thought that they had won after the fight.
Yes, Calazaghe was the aggressor, whilst Hopkins was the counter puncher but Calzaghe only really dominated in 2 rounds, Hopkins was equal too if not better than most of Joe's attacks coming in with some great solid counter punches of his own.
Boxing is subjective, but it is also sometimes easy to misread fights and I think the judge particuarly the one who gave Joe winning by 5 rounds has definitely misread some of the rounds.
A case in point, during one of the later rounds the BBC commentators said that Joe had done well ,and clearly won the round, indeed it looked as if Joe had done well and finished with a flurry of punches, but ends up taking a well time heavy punch from Hopkins.
They showed the slow motion replay of Joe's flurry at the end of that round,
what it showed was Joe's "flurry" actually turned out to be about 5 or 6 glancing blows, none of Joe's punches hit Hopkin's jaw cleanly, in contrast you clearly see the hard punch that Hopkins connects with and Joe grimaces as he takes that punch.
For me that one Hopkins punch is worth more than those 5 or 6 glancing blows that Joe threw.

Whilst I wouldn't say Hopkins ran away with the fight, I equally don't think Calzaghe did enough to beat Hopkins.
Another bad decision by the judges.
I don't think Hopkins was a sore loser, he had a genuine case to argue.

Chuck Giampa who gave Calzaghe the 116-111 score must have been watching another fight.

Totally agree with that comment,

I had it 112 - 109 in favour of Hopkins.

Bearing in mind that Hopkins definitely wins the first round by a 10-8 due to the knock down, that means that Chuck Giampa had Joe winning 7 rounds outright, which is ludicrous because a lot of the rounds were too close to favour either of the fighters outright.
I only had Calzaghe winning 2 rounds outright, if I was being really generous you could argue that Joe may have shaded 2 more rounds, but even that still gives Hopkins victory by one round.

Boxing has always had its dodgy decisions but you can't but think that Chuck Giampa was way off base (or was being corrupt) on this one.
Hopkins was robbed.:suspect:

Did you all not see Hopkins holding on all the time?????????? Hes an old man who was knackered!!! He faked getting hit in the groin area to have a breather & kept using his head, Joe definitley picked up his pace and the best fighter won on the night!!!

Did you all not see Hopkins holding on all the time?????????? Hes an old man who was knackered!!! He faked getting hit in the groin area to have a breather & kept using his head, Joe definitley picked up his pace and the best fighter won on the night!!!

He wasn't holding THAT much, he did take a low blow but unless you actually are the victim of any low blow it's very difficult to say how much the recipient gets affected, who knows Hopkins may have been sore already in that area and Joe's low blow may have hit the sore spot.
I think it's a bit rich when commentators claim that they know that Hopkins wasn't really hurt by that low blow, unless you were Hopkins on that night then you can't really tell, at best it's speculation whether Hopkins was faking it or not.
There's no doubt in my mind that Hopkins and in the minds of many boxing pundits, was better than Joe last week.
Don't get me wrong Joe did well, and did have some sucess but certainly not enough to truely beat Hopkins.
And let's not mention when Joe didn't get penalised for hitting Hopkins on the back of the head!

Hopkins may be 43 but he's more than a match for most people half his age,
I'm sure you wouldn't like to meet Hopkins, on your own in a dark alley somewhere!:hihi:

As if thats going to happen when he lives in US. I wouldn't like to meet Calzaghe down a dark alley either!!! Hopkins lost so get over it!! THIS IS OLD NEWS NOW, YOU SHOULD PAY THE SMALL FEE SETANTA CHARGE TO BE UP TO DATE ON DISCUSSIONS!!!

As if thats going to happen when he lives in US. I wouldn't like to meet Calzaghe down a dark alley either!!! Hopkins lost so get over it!! THIS IS OLD NEWS NOW, YOU SHOULD PAY THE SMALL FEE SETANTA CHARGE TO BE UP TO DATE ON DISCUSSIONS!!!

Excuse me for expressing my views on a fight that was screened TODAY on the BBC!:suspect:

Besides, I'd pay a fee just to avoid that idiot commentator Steve Bunce!

Excuse me for expressing my views on a fight that was screened TODAY on the BBC!:suspect:

Besides, I'd pay a fee just to avoid that idiot commentator Steve Bunce!Its ok your excused :D And I agree with you about Steve Bunce

Its ok your excused :D And I agree with you about Steve Bunce

I'm forever in your debt Dawn!:hihi:

You say Calzaghe, I say Hopkins, it isn't the first and won't be last fight that boxing fans or judges for that matter will disagree with the outcome.
What I'd like to see is scheme where judges sitting down in the studio and explaining their decisions on how they scored each round of a big fight, that way at least everything can be done transparently, and may even be able to change people's original views on a fight.
For example I would love to see Chuck Giampa explaining how he managed to have Joe Calzaghe winning 7 rounds outright, Dawn surely even you can see that Joe didn't manage that:?:

I'm forever in your debt Dawn!:hihi:

You say Calzaghe, I say Hopkins, it isn't the first and won't be last fight that boxing fans or judges for that matter will disagree with the outcome.
What I'd like to see is scheme where judges sitting down in the studio and explaining their decisions on how they scored each, that way at least everything can be done transparently and may even beable to change people's original views on a fight.
For example I would love to see Chuck Giampa explaining how he managed to have Joe Calzaghe winning 7 rounds outright, |Dawn surely even you can see that Joe didn't manage that.

I am a true Calzaghe fan & I do believe Calzaghe won it fair & square. Hopkins was holding on way to much, also if you heard the commentary after the fight, statistics showed Calazghe hit Hopkins more than any other fighter has ever done (would have been even more if hopkins hadn't been holding on for dear life) We will have to agree to disagree on this one. I am a loyal Calzgahe fan & nothing you can say will ever change my mind. The right man won on the night!!!:hihi:

I am a true Calzaghe fan & I do believe Calzaghe won it fair & square. Hopkins was holding on way to much, also if you heard the commentary after the fight, statistics showed Calazghe hit Hopkins more than any other fighter has ever done (would have been even more if hopkins hadn't been holding on for dear life) We will have to agree to disagree on this one. I am a loyal Calzgahe fan & nothing you can say will ever change my mind. The right man won on the night!!!:hihi:

Well at least I can claim to be looking at the fight through neutral eyes, being neither a Hopkins or a Calzaghe fan, although I repected both boxers for their achievements.
As for the punch stats, really that should be more a point of interest rather than an absolute fight winner, most boxing fans would probably agree that it's not the quantity of punches that is the absoulte, but it has to be the quality of punches that is uppermost.
For me, if you watch Joe's punches closely, he doesn't land that many very cleanly, whereas, Hopkins was definitely the more consistent in landing clean shots.
You won't agree Dawn, but the right man actually lost on the night! and nothing you can say will change my mind either!:hihi:

If your not a fan of either why did you bother to watch it??

If your not a fan of either why did you bother to watch it??

You don't have to be a fan of either fighter to be a fan of big fights!:huh:
I watch or try to watch most big fights.
I particuarly watch the heavyweights, I watched my fair share of Tyson and Lewis fights even though I'm not a fan of Tyson or Lewis, and I try to watch all of Wladimir Klitschko's fights, as well as Sam Peter, just because they are currently the best at their weight, but I'm not really a fan of either of those 2 boxers.
Like I said you don't have to be a fan to appreciate a good fight or match up.

I was a true fan of Thommy Hearns and Evander Holyfield, those 2 being my favourite fighters, with Ali gaining my full respect.

Joe's cuffing causes so much friction I heard NASA have given him a contract to heat test some the tiles for the space shuttles nose cone.

Joe's cuffing causes so much friction I heard NASA have given him a contract to heat test some the tiles for the space shuttles nose cone.

Oh come on don't exaggerate!

Those tiles were never built to take that much heat!:hihi:

Oh come on don't exaggerate!

Those tiles were never built to take that much heat!:hihi:

:hihi::hihi: I have seen less slapping at a Bavarian dancing competition.

QUOTE=Kingmaker2;3452497]You don't have to be a fan of either fighter to be a fan of big fights!:huh:
I watch or try to watch most big fights.
I particuarly watch the heavyweights, I watched my fair share of Tyson and Lewis fights even though I'm not a fan of Tyson or Lewis, and I try to watch all of Wladimir Klitschko's fights, as well as Sam Peter, just because they are currently the best at their weight, but I'm not really a fan of either of those 2 boxers.
Like I said you don't have to be a fan to appreciate a good fight or match up.

I was a true fan of Thommy Hearns and Evander Holyfield, those 2 being my favourite fighters, with Ali gaining my full respect.[/QUOTE]
Put a sock in it!! :gag:

was a big fix!

I am a true Calzaghe fan & I do believe Calzaghe won it fair & square. Hopkins was holding on way to much, also if you heard the commentary after the fight, statistics showed Calazghe hit Hopkins more than any other fighter has ever done (would have been even more if hopkins hadn't been holding on for dear life) We will have to agree to disagree on this one. I am a loyal Calzgahe fan & nothing you can say will ever change my mind. The right man won on the night!!!:hihi:

To say your a true fan of Calzaghe's does not necessarily mean your a true fan of boxing. Slapping maybe, but not boxing.

Put a sock in it!! :gag:

Hey, what's that about?:huh::huh:

Hey, what's that about?:huh::huh:

Maybe she just fancies Joe :rolleyes:

To say your a true fan of Calzaghe's does not necessarily mean your a true fan of boxing. Slapping maybe, but not boxing.

Obviously no boxer in their right mind is ever going to admit that they thought the other guy won, even if the decision was given to him.
However, there were a few signs that the Calzaghe camp didn't think he had won.
Right up to the bell Joe's father Enzo Calzaghe was berating Joe for not performing.
Even after he had won Enzo's reaction was a faint smile, one of relief, rather than that of a father who's son had just beaten one of the greatest boxers of this age.
Even Joe admitted in his interview with the BBC that he didn't perform that well, If any body has just beaten a guy of Hopkins calibre then you would'nt be so negative about your own performance, I think Joe knows deep down that he was lucky to get the decision.

Maybe she just fancies Joe :rolleyes:

You might be right, I wonder if Dawn is familiar with any other boxers other than Mr.Calzhaghe or his opponents?

Dawn do you know much about the sport or is AJ right, it's just a Calzhaghe fixation because of his looks rather than his capabilities as a boxer?

Some of Joe's opponents have got in that ring with skill, stamina, speed and courage when all they really need are asbestos ears and a fire extinguisher.
I noticed in a few of his fights Red Adair was sat at ringside.......just in case.
In fact his gloves are sponsered by St Elmo.
You can tell when Joe is fighting, whilst he's getting misted with water his opponents are getting hosed. In fact his next fight will have to be outside due to the smoking ban.

Some of Joe's opponents have got in that ring with skill, stamina, speed and courage when all they really need are asbestos ears and a fire extinguisher.
I noticed in a few of his fights Red Adair was sat at ringside.......just in case.

People have made much of the fact that Joe landed twice as many punches than Hopkins, that sounds impressive, but it is a statistic thay flatters to decieve.
As I mentioned before, Joe threw what looked like an impressive amount of punches towards the end of one of the later rounds making the BBC commentator give the round comfortably to Joe.
They then showed the end of the round back in slo motion replay, not one of Joe's 6 punch flurry actually landed on target, Hopkins threw just one punch in reply, but that landed flush and forced Joe to take a half step back,
the BBC commentator remained silent throughout the slo motion replay, probably too ebarrassed to say that he had called it wrong.
Hopkins one quality punch was worth at least ten of Calzahge light and often off target slaps.
I'm not saying never connected with any quality punches, because he did, but the vast majority that have been included in the punch count, were of the flurry type that was seen in the slow motion footage.
If Joe had truely landed that many hard punches on Hopkins, then how come his face wasn't marked at all at the end of the fight, surely Hopkins would have looked a little like Jeff Lacey did after his encounter with Joe.

Kingmaker2, do you think Carl Froch would be a worthy opponent for Joe or do you think Joe's workrate and hand speed would be too much for Froch ?

Kingmaker2, do you think Carl Froch would be a worthy opponent for Joe or do you think Joe's workrate and hand speed would be too much for Froch ?

I have to admit, I aint seen too much of Froch so can't say.

Joe says he wants only one more big fight and that's probably against Roy Jones.
Despite his recent win over Felix Trinidad do you think Roy Jones is too much past his peak to beat Joe?

I have to admit, I aint seen too much of Froch so can't say.

Joe says he wants only one more big fight and that's probably against Roy Jones.
Despite his recent win over Felix Trinidad do you think Roy Jones is too much past his peak to beat Joe?

Its hard to pick an opponent for Joe but I keep hearing Pavliks name mentioned.

Its hard to pick an opponent for Joe but I keep hearing Pavliks name mentioned.

Yeah, Pavlik's name does keep being mentioned but I've a feeling that Calzhaghie would go for a bigger name to finish his career on.

Roy Jones seems to fit the bill.

I somehow can't see him wanting to fight Pavlik after defeating a legend likeHopkins.
If Joe say's it will be his last fight, then I would think he would follow the money being as it's Joe's last big pay day, he'll want to make as much money as possible for him and his family.
A fight, even with an aging, past his peak Roy Jones, would generate more money than with Pavlik.

Who do you think would be more of a problem for Joe, Jones or Tarver ?

Who do you think would be more of a problem for Joe, Jones or Tarver ?

Probably an in form Jones.

Jones couldn't handle Tarver, but Tarver was schooled by Hopkins.
An interesting question but Jones could probably handle Joe's style more than Tarver could.

Calzaghe won full stop ,to win on points in the US against a yank is a feat in itself,luckily Americans always plump for the agressor.Calzaghe has now proved he's up there as pound for pound one of,if not the best fighter ever in this country,I just hope he doesnt go to the well once too often and make a fool of himself like the likes of Ali.I cannot understand the negative attitude against him ,everybody that has been put in front of him he has beaten,what else does he have to do?

Are we back in school playground here??? (you fancy him) OMG! Grow up! I love boxing & always have. Joe is a great looking guy but as if thats why I wanted him to win, he deserved to win, Hes a true champion, this is old news now, Fools like you and AJ just post on here to annoy other people. The fight was well over a week ago, if you want to try and be smart and think you know it all then pay for setanta, then you could have been bugging someone else this week instead of me!!!

Calzaghe won full stop ,to win on points in the US against a yank is a feat in itself,luckily Americans always plump for the agressor.Calzaghe has now proved he's up there as pound for pound one of,if not the best fighter ever in this country,I just hope he doesnt go to the well once too often and make a fool of himself like the likes of Ali.I cannot understand the negative attitude against him ,everybody that has been put in front of him he has beaten,what else does he have to do?

Well said, thats my thoughts exactly!!!!! but dont say that on here you will be hung, drawn and quarted, by a certain few who dont have any loyalty & are here to just to annoy us, I cant see that they watched the fight properly as they dont seem to remember Hopkins holding on all the time, maybe it was way past AJ'S bedtime, and he kept dozing off through the fight, then you get Kingmaker seeing it a week to late then thinks its headline news!!:loopy:

Calzaghe won full stop ,to win on points in the US against a yank is a feat in itself,luckily Americans always plump for the agressor.Calzaghe has now proved he's up there as pound for pound one of,if not the best fighter ever in this country,I just hope he doesnt go to the well once too often and make a fool of himself like the likes of Ali.I cannot understand the negative attitude against him ,everybody that has been put in front of him he has beaten,what else does he have to do?

Exactly.

Although we as a nation like to pull people who successful down. So it doesnt surprise me that there are number on here that want to knock Joe for actually winning.

Anyway I hope his last fight is a good one. :)

Are we back in school playground here??? (you fancy him) OMG! Grow up!

The fight was well over a week ago, if you want to try and be smart and think you know it all then pay for setanta, then you could have been bugging someone else this week instead of me!!!

Are we back in the school playgound?.... hmmm you tell me Dawn,
comments like:

If your not a fan of either why did you bother to watch it??
Put a sock in it!!

aren't exactly very mature are they?:huh:

Sure the fight was over a week ago, but as I stated the BBC screened the fight on Sunday, 2 days ago, for many, even boxing fans like myself it would have been the first opportunity to see the fight in full.
Not sure why you are getting so upset about it, I'm only expressing my opinion on the actual fight, and I am not alone in my thoughts that Hopkins produced the better punches in the exchanges and by that virtue perhaps should have gotten the decision rather than Joe.
As for bugging you Dawn, I'm not sure where that sprang from!
I posted my thoughts on the fight, and you replied to my comment.:huh:

Calzaghe won full stop ,to win on points in the US against a yank is a feat in itself,luckily Americans always plump for the agressor.Calzaghe has now proved he's up there as pound for pound one of,if not the best fighter ever in this country,I just hope he doesnt go to the well once too often and make a fool of himself like the likes of Ali.I cannot understand the negative attitude against him ,everybody that has been put in front of him he has beaten,what else does he have to do?

That's the problem, I stated my honest opinion that I thought Hopkins was better in the exchanges than Calzaghe and I get labelled as a Joe Calzaghe hater!
I'm not a Joe Calzaghe hater, and I stated that I thought he did really well, but I thought Hopkins did better.
Can nobody express an opinion on a fight without being classed as a hater:?:
In the first epic encounter in the year 2000 between 2 greats :

Marco Antonio Barrera vs Erik Morales

Erik Morales won by split decision, I, like just many thousands of boxing fans and commentators across the world thought that Barrera should have been given the decision.
Does that make me an Erik Morales hater?

I don't think so.

Are we back in the school playgound?.... hmmm you tell me Dawn,
comments like:



aren't exactly very mature are they?:huh:

Sure the fight was over a week ago, but as I stated the BBC screened the fight on Sunday, 2 days ago, for many, even boxing fans like myself it would have been the first opportunity to see the fight in full.
Not sure why you are getting so upset about it, I'm only expressing my opinion on the actual fight, and I am not alone in my thoughts that Hopkins produced the better punches in the exchanges and by that virtue perhaps should have gotten the decision rather than Joe.
As for picking on you Dawn, I'm not sure where that sprang from!
I posted my thoughts on the fight, and you replied to my comment.:huh:

I never said you were picking on me if you read back lol im an adult!! my son at 12 uses those kind of phrases! :D

We agree to disagree so just lets leave it

I never said you were picking on me if you read back lol im an adult!! my son at 12 uses those kind of phrases! :D

We agree to disagree so just lets leave it

Okay I meant the word bugging, rather than picking.
But the same applies, I wasn't bugging you, rather the other way around methinks.

Anyway nuff said.

Barry McGuigan seems to agree as well
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/7369798.stm

Barry McGuigan seems to agree as well
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/7369798.stm

Hooray another Calzaghe fan!! lol

Barry McGuigan seems to agree as well
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/7369798.stm

Ahhh good old Barry!

Famous for saying Evander Holyfield was too long in the tooth, live on ITV.....
just before the second Holyfield vs Bowe clash!:hihi:

Barry also predicted live on Sky sports that Henry Akinwande was the best heavyweight boxer and that Henry would have no trouble seeing off Lewis,Holyfield or Bowe!:hihi:

I sorta fell out with boxing when politics entered into it and suddenly we had/have numerous world champions at the same weight,blimey i believe even Herbie Hide once held a version of the world heavyweight title,at one time I could reel the list of world heavyweight champs off,now ,without looking,I couldnt tell you who was the heavyweight champion but what I do like to see is unbeaten champions,it shows they have that extra something,Calzhage may mot be as flash as other boxers in his division but he has that extra something that spurs him on.Rocky Marciano was the same ,he wasnt a boxer but an out and out fighter,Ezzard Charles and Jersey Joe taught him a lesson in boxing but at the end of the fights they ended up like all the rest..the loser and that was through that little extra that even the best boxers need,I dont know what it is ,pride,guts,dedication or what but whatever it is Calzhage has got it,If he's got any sense he should retire now and stay in the elite unbeaten few.Its well documented that he wants to go up in weight to fight Jones,that may be his undoing,I remember one of the best light heavies ever..Bob Foster,virtually unbeatable in his own division but every time he stepped up to the big boys he got hammered,theres a saying in boxing ...A good big un will always lick a good little un...maybe Calzaghe should take heed

I sorta fell out with boxing when politics entered into it and suddenly we had/have numerous world champions at the same weight,blimey i believe even Herbie Hide once held a version of the world heavyweight title,at one time I could reel the list of world heavyweight champs off,now ,without looking,I couldnt tell you who was the heavyweight champion but what I do like to see is unbeaten champions,it shows they have that extra something,Calzhage may mot be as flash as other boxers in his division but he has that extra something that spurs him on.Rocky Marciano was the same ,he wasnt a boxer but an out and out fighter,Ezzard Charles and Jersey Joe taught him a lesson in boxing but at the end of the fights they ended up like all the rest..the loser and that was through that little extra that even the best boxers need,I dont know what it is ,pride,guts,dedication or what but whatever it is Calzhage has got it,If he's got any sense he should retire now and stay in the elite unbeaten few.Its well documented that he wants to go up in weight to fight Jones,that may be his undoing,I remember one of the best light heavies ever..Bob Foster,virtually unbeatable in his own division but every time he stepped up to the big boys he got hammered,theres a saying in boxing ...A good big un will always lick a good little un...maybe Calzaghe should take heed

I agree that Joe should now retire and remain the undisputed champ!!!

I sorta fell out with boxing when politics entered into it and suddenly we had/have numerous world champions at the same weight,blimey i believe even Herbie Hide once held a version of the world heavyweight title,at one time I could reel the list of world heavyweight champs off,now ,without looking,I couldnt tell you who was the heavyweight champion

Herbie Hide held the least prestigious of the 4 belts the WBO title.
That's the title that Joe Calzaghe held until he beat Lacey.

The current holders are :

IBF & WBO: Wladimir Klitschko

WBC: Sam Peter

WBA : Ruslan Chagaev

Ruslan Chaegaev is undefeated with one draw on his record.

Herbie Hide held the least prestigious of the 4 belts the WBO title.
That's the title that Joe Calzaghe held until he beat Lacey.

The current holders are :

IBF & WBO: Wladimir Klitschko

WBC: Sam Peter

WBA : Ruslan Chagaev

Ruslan Chaegaev is undefeated with one draw on his record.
Just googled them.Hmmmm who are they?:D:D

Exactly.

Although we as a nation like to pull people who successful down. So it doesnt surprise me that there are number on here that want to knock Joe for actually winning.

Anyway I hope his last fight is a good one. :)

Ahh the old "we as a nation like to pull people who are successful down" chesnut :rolleyes:
It has nothing to do with that at all but more to do with the fact that Joe has very wisely avoided a confrontation with Jones and Hopkins right throughout his career. These latest fights have all been a question of timing for Joe, had they been fought earlier he would have in my opinion lost to both of them.
Some have said a wins a win and thats correct, but the manner in which the win was gained should also be relevant if your a true fight fan.
Some fighters make the game look like an art form, unfortunately for me Joe has never done that, he is untidy and lacks true technical skill.
He does however have great stamina and a very high workrate and I am glad he beat Hopkins (well he sort of beat him). He can now go and beat another washed up fighter for the big money before he retires and keep away from fighters like Kelly Pavlik.

The worst fighter for avoiding confrontations is Amir Khan!!!

Just googled them.Hmmmm who are they?:D:D

I can understand you not hearing of Sam Peter or Ruslan Chagaev but surely you know of Wladimir Klitschko, the brother of Vitali Klitschko?

Sam Peter's is known as the "Nigerian Nightmare" considered by many as one of the hardest punchers in the heavyweight division.
He is the first African to have held the heavyweight title, when he met Wladimir Klitschko, although he lost the bout, he had Klitschko down no less than 3 times.

Ruslan Chagaev is from Uzbek, Russia.
Nicknamed the White Tyson.
His most notable win was beating the giant 7ft previously undefeated heavyweight champ Nikolay Valuev.
More recently he beat our own British Wrestling Champion, Matt Skelton.:hihi:

I can understand you not hearing of Sam Peter or Ruslan Chagaev but surely you know of Wladimir Klitschko, the brother of Vitali Klitschko?

Sam Peter's is known as the "Nigerian Nightmare" considered by many as one of the hardest punchers in the heavyweight division.
He is the first African to have held the heavyweight title, when he met Wladimir Klitschko, although he lost the bout, he had Klitschko down no less than 3 times.

Ruslan Chagaev is from Uzbek, Russia.
Nicknamed the White Tyson.
His most notable win was beating the giant 7ft previously undefeated heavyweight champ Nikolay Valuev.
More recently he beat our own British Wrestling Champion, Matt Skelton.:hihi:

See, none of these names are household or nor do they generate real excitement to fans. I know you make of your time during your era, but there is no single fighter today that has managed to grip the boxing world (heavyweight wise). I loved the Lennox Lewis/Holyfield/Tyson era and before that, though I was only a baby or maybe caught a early 80s fight, was the Foreman/Fraizer/Ali/Norton era (as well as some other decent fighters). Now, I could only name Klitchklo- that's it. I hope there is a new discovery soon, a young hungary fighter with huge potential, gifted with skills not seen since days of Ali....

Carl Froch has been named as the mandatory challenger for Joe at super middleweight and the fight must take place before the end of September.
If Joe decides to carry on at light heavy for Jones Jnr then he could lose his super middleweight title. I think Joe will give up his belt to land the big bucks with washed up Jones Jnr although personally I would rather Joe fight Kelly Pavlik.

See, none of these names are household or nor do they generate real excitement to fans. I know you make of your time during your era, but there is no single fighter today that has managed to grip the boxing world (heavyweight wise). I loved the Lennox Lewis/Holyfield/Tyson era and before that, though I was only a baby or maybe caught a early 80s fight, was the Foreman/Fraizer/Ali/Norton era (as well as some other decent fighters). Now, I could only name Klitchklo- that's it. I hope there is a new discovery soon, a young hungary fighter with huge potential, gifted with skills not seen since days of Ali....

I agree totally, although that just puts it into perspective about how special those guys like Ali, Frazier,Foreman, Holyfield, Tyson,Lewis were.
These guys aren't a dime a dozen and currently we don't have anyone on par with those levels of greatness.
I suppose it's a bit like buses, you wait ages for one to turn up, and then they all turn up at the same time!
Currently we are still waiting at the bus stop!;)